German Books

[Anonymous No.13524445]

I'm learning German any recommendations for reading, /lit/? Preferably fiction and on the simple side because I'm not very good yet. Thank you

[Anonymous No.13524450]

did you finish your Duolingo yet?

[Anonymous No.13524479]

>>13524445
Narziß und Goldmund by Hermann Hesse

[Anonymous No.13524485]

>>13524479
Was thinking about reading Hesse. Ty

[Anonymous No.13524496]

if you're okay with reading shitty German books with probably many mistakes, you can try my books

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B79D1TQ
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07P6RZMT7

[Anonymous No.13524499]

>>13524445
Read Joachim Nettelbeck's autobiography and the Swiss Robinsonade by Johann David Wyss to get you going.

Don't read Faust yet, that shit is tough, espacially part II. Read Egmont, Torquato Tasso and Iphigenie. Read Wahlverwandtschaften.

If you wont to ascend: read Novalis, Eichendorff and Hölderlin.

I've been told "perfume" is written is clear and simple German I've only read it in translation(swedish) but that was clear simple and elegant prose.

Read Kafka, anon. The prose simple and to the point, especially the short stories. When Borges was teaching German to himself he started reading Kafka's short stories and was fascinated by how easy they were to read.

‘English Grammar for Students of German’ is really helpful. I was initially really averse to grammar and the idea of having to wrap my head around it kind of demoralised me, but now I find it fun. This book in particular is good because you’re probably rusty on your English grammar, and the German shit will make more sense of you already have an idea of its English equivalent. The book demonstrates each concept in English before doing so in German.

[Anonymous No.13524633]

>>13524499
My roommate has "English Grammar for Students of German" and was recommending it to me yesterday. Good to know it's solid.

Didn't know about Borges teaching himself with Kafka. Never read Kafka so that would be a cool introduction to him.

Appreciate the solid recommendations man

[Anonymous No.13524646]

Die Kritik der puren Vernunft is a good starting point
Die Phänomenologie des Geistes should come next and prepare you for the harder stuff like Emil und die Detektive

[Anonymous No.13524674]

>>13524646
Lmao
This guy has a point though. Everytime this thread appears, it always morphs into namedropping. Seriously? Recommending Hesse and Kafka to a beginner? Did you guys ever start learning a language from scratch? Anyway, OP is better off taking Skype lessons and playing vidya with German dubbing or watching shitty children's cartoons.

[Anonymous No.13524678]

>>13524674
Not to mention recommending fucking poetry...

[Anonymous No.13524744]

Simple:
Joachim Nettelbeck - Lebensbeschreibung
Johann David Wyss - Schweizer Robinsons
Erich Kästner - Emil und die Detektive / Fabian
Peter Stamm - Agnes / Kurzgechichten
Kafka

Intermediate:
Letters of Wilhelm Humboldt to Charlotte
Letters of Helmuth Moltke to his Wife / Deutsch-französischer Krieg
Letters of Schiller to Lotte
Letters of Gothe to his Wife
Justus Möser - Patriotische Phantasien
Adolph Knigge - Über den Umgang mit Menschen
Clausewitz - Vom Kriege
Ernst Curtius - Griechische Geschichte
Adalbert Stifter - Nachsommer
Theodor Storm - Immensee / Schimmelreiter
Alfred Brehm - Tierleben
Bogumil Goltz - Buch der Kindheit
Helfrich Peter Sturz - Kleine Schriften
Adam Müller von Nitterdorf - Über die Beredsamkeit

Hard:
Hölderlin - Hyperion / Late Letters
Letters of Bismarck to his Wife / Speeches
Thomas Mann - Buddenbrooks / Zauberberg
Theodor Fontane - Effie Briest
Gottfried Keller - Grüner Heinrich / Novellen
Theodor Abbt - Vom Tode fürs Vaterland
Max Stiner - Der Einzige und sein Eigentum
Theodor Hippel der Ältere - Über die Ehe / Über die bürgerliche Verbesserung der Weiber
Fichte - Reden an die deutsche Nation

Impossible:
Abraham a Sancta Clara - Mercks Wien

[Anonymous No.13524794]

>>13524744
LMAO keep 'em coming!

[Anonymous No.13524837]

>>13524445
Read "Der goldene Handschuh" by Heinz Strunk. Recent book about a famous Hamburg Serial killer, already a Bestseller. Simple language, and you learn a lot about German culture. It's also really good.

for more classic but simple stuff, this >>13524744 guy is right, Erich Kästner is perfect for that.

[Anonymous No.13524851]

>>13524445
Read Brecht. Great stuff, simple language.

[Anonymous No.13524930]

>>13524744
Jesus Christ. Ich danke dir

[Anonymous No.13524974]

Das Sams

[Anonymous No.13525335]

>>13524496
Thats some seriously godawful German. Do not recommend. If you want to learn a language, you should read literature with correct terms. Maybe you can try Cornelia Funke. She writes german books for young adults. The language isn't too hard. Later you can advance to more complicated things. Avoid reading Kafka for a start. His sentence-building is some advanced stuff.

[Anonymous No.13525400]

>>13524837
>Read a book about serial killer
>You learn a lot about German culture
Somehow I don't think I want to learn more.

[Anonymous No.13525468]

>>13525400
Well it's a good book, it's not some crime Thriller shit, the murders aren't even in it, except one at the end. It just describes the everyday life of a German hardcore alcoholic in the Pubs of Hamburg in the late 60s, it's really good. Like I said, it's a Bestseller and Major German newspapers declared it the best German novel of 2016. I bought it spontaneously at the Train Station before a Long ride on the Train, and it was really worth it.

I mean, just look at the guy.

[Anonymous No.13525470]

>>13525335
>Avoid reading Kafka for a start
This, not sure if it was supposed to be bait, but Kafka is absolutely not a good choice for someone foreign trying to learn the language.

[Anonymous No.13525493]

>>13525470
B-but Borges said he learned german reading Kafka

[Anonymous No.13525507]

>>13524445
This is comfy as heck, anon. Should be fairly accessible too, since Rilke originally wrote it for kids. Nice little poetic illustrations of faith.

Also, Rilke’s verse in general is comfy and fun to try and translate. I did that a lot trying to improve my german

[Anonymous No.13525509]

>>13525493
Yeah sure I mean you can, it's just not a good idea. It's making things unnecessarily complicated. And nobody talks or types like that, it's not like you can take anything from it that you could use in a conversation or anything.

[Anonymous No.13525516]

>>13525507
I haven't read this but Rilke is great

[Anonymous No.13525518]

>>13525470
I fell for that meme fuck

[Anonymous No.13525543]

>>13524445
Gottfried Keller - Der grüne Heinrich/Die Leute von Seldwyla
Jeremias Gottheld - Die schwarze Spinne

[Anonymous No.13525547]

>>13525543
Gotthelf

[Anonymous No.13525572]

>>13524646
10/10 lmao

You can also cross read with whatever you already know very well, desu. That was my primary strategy. Now, I took some german classes in high school so I had some preknowledge going into it, but I taught myself to read german mostly by cross-reading the stuff I was already deep into in my mother tongue (the Bible and Heidegger’s S/Z) as well as reading der Spiegel and listening to podcasts and tv shows.

[Anonymous No.13525852]

>>13525470
I get the people reccing Kafka. It's much easier than expected. It took me a while to get there though. Stuff like basic level newspapers make a lot more sense and give more practical expressions, but once you're ready for proper literature it's a good enough start.

[Anonymous No.13525898]

>>13524445
Just read iconic young adult fiction. Ignore everyone in the thread namedropping great classic German writers

[Anonymous No.13525922]

„Jenseits von Gut und Böse" von Nietzsche wäre mein Vorschlag.

[Anonymous No.13525935]

>>13525898
>iconic
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.13526002]

How about 'Briefe an einen jungen Dichter'?

[Anonymous No.13526010]

I enjoyed reading 'der Zauberlehrling' es a child, you should bea ble to read that.

[Anonymous No.13526015]

>>13525935
I don't think you know what iconic means. I meant shit that most Germans read when they were young.

>>13525922
Yes, if you want something light, written in simple language, go read Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.13526022]

>>13524646
/thread

[Anonymous No.13526077]

>>13526015
Most germans these days don't read at all.

[Anonymous No.13526101]

>>13526077
How do you know? I think you're full of shit

[Anonymous No.13526117]

>>13526101
I'm a german born in this generation and can tell better than you what my generation's reading habits are like.

[Anonymous No.13526257]

>>13526117
That doesn't answer my question. Just because you go "Yikes, everyone but me is so dumb and stupid these days", doesn't mean that's actually true. Maybe take a look at statistics like sale numbers, or the success of certain novels. You'd be surprised.

[Anonymous No.13526295]

>>13524445

[Anonymous No.13526306]

>>13526117
More people are reading now than ever before. Theyre reading trash, though.

t. german

[Anonymous No.13526403]

>>13525468
Several sources confirm that he was "too ugly" for even the most burned down and coked up whores of Hamburg. Apparently that's how he got started with the whole killing women thing.

The original incel

[Anonymous No.13526498]

>>13524450
Do people really level up their skill to 5? Or is 2-3 enough?

[Anonymous No.13526543]

>>13526306
proof? reading youtube comments doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.13526553]

>>13524646
>Die Kritik der puren Vernunft
>puren

[Anonymous No.13526555]

>>13526543
see >>13526257

Just look at statistics. You're the one who made the unlikely claim.

[Anonymous No.13526558]

>>13526553
It's means literally the same, easy to confuse it.

[Anonymous No.13526590]

>>13526558
>It's means literally the same
nope
t. german

[Anonymous No.13526609]

>>13526590
I'm German too. Pur and rein are the same.

[Anonymous No.13526618]

>>13526609
No they are not. There is a nuance to it, like the difference between klein and winzig or lustig and witzig.

[Anonymous No.13526622]

>>13526555
what statistics?

[Anonymous No.13526625]

>>13526609
>>13526618

pur Adj. ‘rein, unvermischt, klar, ohne Einschränkung’, spätmhd. pūr ‘rein, lauter, unverfälscht’ (14. Jh.), entlehnt aus gleichbed. lat. pūrus.

rein Adj. ‘ohne fremdartige Bestandteile, unvermischt, unverfälscht, frei von Schmutz, sauber, frisch gewaschen, unberührt, keusch, vollkommen, fehlerlos’, ahd. (h)reini (8. Jh.), mhd. rein(e), asächs. hrēni, mnd. rein, mnl. reine, rēne, nl. rein, afries. (h)rēne, anord. hreinn, schwed. ren, got. hrains. Mit dem Suffix ie. -ni- gebildetes germ. *hraini- ist verwandt mit ahd. (h) rītara (um 800), mhd. rīter, nhd. (obd.) Reiter ‘Sieb’, aengl. hridder, hriddel, engl. riddle ‘Sieb’ und außergerm. mit griech. krī́nein (kρίνειν) ‘scheiden, trennen, unterscheiden, sichten, urteilen, entscheiden’, lat. cernere (aus *crin-) ‘sichten, scheiden, sondern, unterscheiden, entscheiden’, crībrum ‘Sieb, Durchschlag’, air. criathar (aus *krē̌itro-) ‘Sieb’. Auszugehen ist von ie. *(s)kerī̌-, *(s)krē̌i-, *(s)krī̌- ‘schneiden, scheiden’, einer Form der unter scheren (s. d.) dargestellten Wurzel ie. *(s)ker(ə)- ‘schneiden’. Im heutigen Sprachgebrauch bedeutet rein vor allem ‘nicht schmutzig, sauber’ und ‘unverfälscht’; in Teilen der Schweiz und Rheinfrankens noch erhalten im Sinne von ‘fein gemahlen, gesiebt’ (von Mehl, Zucker, Sand u. dgl.). Reinheit f. ‘Sauberkeit, Klarheit, Lauterkeit, Unschuld’ (17. Jh.), anfangs konkurrierend mit Reinlichkeit (s. unten) und (dem zu Anfang des 19. Jhs. untergegangenen) Reinigkeit, mhd. reinecheit, reinekeit, reinikeit, ahd. in un(h)reinigheit ‘Unreinheit’ (11. Jh.). reinigen Vb. ‘säubern’, mhd. reinegen, rein(i)gen, abgeleitet von mhd. reinec, reinic ‘rein’; vgl. ahd. (h)reinen (8. Jh.), (h)reinōn (9. Jh.), mhd. reinen, asächs. hrēnian, hrēnon, got. hrainjan. Dazu Reinigung f. mhd. reinegunge, reinigunge. bereinigen Vb. ‘ins reine, in Ordnung bringen, beilegen, klären’ und Bereinigung f. (beide 15. Jh.). verunreinigen Vb. ‘beschmutzen, schmutzig machen’ (15. Jh.); vgl. mhd. verunreinen; Verunreinigung f. (15. Jh.). reinlich Adj. ‘sauber, ordentlich’, mhd. reinlich; Reinlichkeit f. ‘Sauberkeit, Genauigkeit, Sorgfalt’ (16. Jh.).

[Anonymous No.13526628]

>>13526618
No, there's not. Or maybe there is, but not as an adjective to Vernunft. Pure Vernunft is literally the same as reine Vernunft. Klein/winzig and lustig/witzig is like an actual difference in quality, I'm pretty sure rein and pur don't have that

Or let's agree that it's close enough to be confused

[Anonymous No.13526630]

>>13526625
>rein, unvermischt, klar
>ohne fremdartige Bestandteile, unvermischt, unverfälscht

Literally the same.

[Anonymous No.13526636]

>>13526622
Book sales.

[Anonymous No.13526642]

>>13526609
>>13526618
>>13526625
>>13526628
This is like one of those times where I catch myself being too fucking autistic and obnoxious. Please stop right now and let's pretend this never happened. Someone confused the title, let's leave it at that.

[Anonymous No.13526663]

>>13526642
To be fair: all people involved in this dispute are ipso facto autists.

[Anonymous No.13526668]

>Ich wasche meine Wäsche rein
>Ich wasche meine Wäsche pur
It's clear that the meaning of those two sentences are not identical.

[Anonymous No.13526674]

>>13526636
It's almost like you know you're wrong. Germans are reading less than ever.
>Ernüchternde Studie: Die Lust am Lesen schwindet
>Zwischen 2012 und 2016 gingen dem deutschen Buchhandel 6,1 Millionen Buchkäufer verloren. Das entspricht einem Käuferverlust von 17 Prozent in dieser Zeitspanne. Zu diesem Ergebnis kam eine vom Börsenverein Deutscher Buchhandel beauftragte Studie. Der Rückgang betrifft vor allem die junge (14 bis 29 Jahre) und die mittlere Altersgruppe (30 bis 59 Jahre), unabhängig vom Bildungsniveau. Weniger als die Hälfte der Bevölkerung in Deutschland tritt überhaupt noch als Buchkäufer in Erscheinung.
>Immer weniger Deutsche kaufen Bücher
https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/kultur/Ernuechternde-Studie-Die-Lust-am-Lesen-schwindet-id50647621.html
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/news/kultur/literatur-die-deutschen-kaufen-weniger-buecher-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-181211-99-176091
https://www.hildesheimer-allgemeine.de/news/article/kaum-noch-zeitungen-und-buecher-juengere-lesen-immer-weniger.html

[Anonymous No.13526679]

>>13526668
Yes, because they are still different words. But they may be used in a very much identical way. Pur doesn't make sense in that context, nobody talks like that. But it also doesn't have a different meaning, it's just the wrong word. See >>13526630


Pure Vernunft = Reine Vernunft

Now how do we clean up this mess, we can't just leave all those spaghetti on the floor

[Anonymous No.13526684]

>>13526674
The internet and amazon are a thing. Of course ye' olde buchladen is losing customers.

Also E-readers.

[Anonymous No.13526688]

>>13526684
This includes online sales. Nice cope though.

[Anonymous No.13526695]

>>13526688
To be fair, I'm not the guy who said that Germans read more than ever. I'm the one who said that they still read.

[Anonymous No.13526698]

>discussion about the most autistic language ends in autistic screeching
rein pottery

[Anonymous No.13526727]

The fact that it is pure reason in english is just because ameribongs don´t have a corresponding word for "rein", maybe has somerthing to do with their hygienic standards

[Anonymous No.13526738]

>>13526727

[Anonymous No.13526864]

mein kampf

[Anonymous No.13526885]

>>13524496
the german title sounds like something google translator would spit out

[Anonymous No.13526887]

>>13526727
doesn't matter. if moby dick was a shark or whatever instead of a whale it wouldn't make any difference.

[Anonymous No.13526915]

>>13526885
>Written for A1 language level or beginner German readers.

[Anonymous No.13526920]

>>13526887
you're dumb

[Anonymous No.13527146]

>>13524744
>>13524837
Thank you friends

[Anonymous No.13527161]

>>13526674
Germans produce more "literature" than any other country in europe. There are more English books produced overall, but that includes the whole anglosphere. They are big readers and writers.

[Anonymous No.13527176]

>>13525335
>Avoid reading Kafka for a start. His sentence-building is some advanced stuff.
pleb

[Anonymous No.13527179]

>>13524445
Die Leiden des jungen Werther

[Anonymous No.13527184]

>>13527179
To you and all the other idiots namedropping great German writers and novels, if you're not memeing, fucking kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.13527187]

>>13527176
OP said he wants to learn German. He does not speak it very well. He even said he wants fiction, and simple stuff. Are you fucking dense?

[Anonymous No.13527197]

>>13525852
based and kafkapilled

[Anonymous No.13527203]

>>13524445
How long would it take me to understand Rilke and Trakl?

[Anonymous No.13527204]

>>13527184
why?

[Anonymous No.13527211]

>>13527187
kafka's stories are easy. any competent learner can read them.

[Anonymous No.13527222]

>>13524445
How the fuck does this language even work when spoken? Is real German disappearing? I've been told many sounds are disappearing thanks to millenials and niggers, is there any truth to this?

[Anonymous No.13527232]

>>13527204
Because he's basically asking for childrens' books. He doesn't speak German, he's asking for something very simple. Recommend him something simple, doesn't have to be Harry Potter in German, there's good and valuable books for children and youths, but this constant namedropping is just stupid.

Don't kill yourself though please, sorry for saying that.

[Anonymous No.13527236]

>>13527232
Are the Grimm's fairy tales a good start?

[Anonymous No.13527243]

>>13527236
I don't know, I guess?

[Anonymous No.13527246]

>Ctrl+F "Grimm"
>0 results
Smh. They're not that hard to read once you develop a vocabulary and they are important as many Germans read or hear them as children. I reccomend "Hans im Glück."

[Anonymous No.13527267]

>>13527246
They're too difficult. OP needs special education tier books because he doesn't le Germain.

[Anonymous No.13527273]

>>13527243
You know Harry Potter but you don't know the Grimms? Pleb alert. JEUDEN ALERTEN (lol)

[Anonymous No.13527278]

>>13527222
Not really. The language is evolving though, but that's natural.

Turkish does have a little influence, for example most young people call weed "ot", the turkish word. Or they adress each other as "bruder", brother, very very common in Turkish, and very very uncommon in German. Unless you're a monk I mean. Stuff like that starts out ironically but ends up normalized.

[Anonymous No.13527286]

>>13527273
Really? Where did I say I don't know the brothers Grimm?

[Anonymous No.13527290]

>>13527286
JUDE

[Anonymous No.13527294]

Did the Grimm brothers write Cinderella, Red Riding Hood, and Jack and the Beanstalk?

[Anonymous No.13527296]

>>13524445
>ctrl f
>no Assimil

[Anonymous No.13527297]

>>13527278
>The language is evolving though
Evolution is a euphemism. I fear for the German language suffering the same fate as English nowadays: simplified and niggerised.

[Anonymous No.13527306]

>>13527286
Here: >>13527243
>I don't know, I guess?

[Anonymous No.13527310]

>>13527297
The biggest thread for German is probably English, I forgot about that. Anglicisms are spreading like crazy

[Anonymous No.13527317]

>>13527306
>Should I recommend X?
>I don't know (do what you want)

Really, anon?

[Anonymous No.13527325]

>>13527294
They compiled folk tales and wrote them in their style, yes.

[Anonymous No.13527331]

>>13527310
Oh, okay. Are there any sounds disappering, though?

[Anonymous No.13527343]

>>13527331
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. There's a lot of Germans in this thread, someone probably can tell you more

[Anonymous No.13527354]

>>13527331
Don't really think so (yet). I think there was a discussion some time ago if the ß should be abolished but I can't think of anything else at the moment. But give it a few years and a couple more millions of niggers and I'm sure our language will change drastically.

[Anonymous No.13527372]

>>13526887
it wouldn't make any difference if you´d just shut the fuck up instead of posting

[Anonymous No.13527381]

>>13527354
That's very natural though. I mean in general, that flood of anglicisms is a bit extreme. But look up what Goethe did with the language, he published dictionaries of words created by him to improve the language and adapt to time. Look it up.

[Anonymous No.13527397]

>>13527354
It's sad to see the West collapsing :(

[Anonymous No.13527402]

>>13524674
Hesse is pretty easy to read though and good entry point into German lit

[Anonymous No.13527421]

daily reminder to NEVER read books like harry potter in your target lang. Always do the opposite. Read German books in translation, then try to read them in German. It's what people who have NEVER learned a language recommend.

[Anonymous No.13527425]

>>13526609
Kek nein, rein bedeutet ohne Verunreinigungen und pur ohne jegliche Vermischung. Es existiert ein kleiner aber feiner Unterschied zwischen den beiden.

[Anonymous No.13527435]

>>13527421
Les einfach Nietzsche bis du es es versteht.

[Anonymous No.13527440]

>unironically recommending Harry Potter
It's clear Germans here don't read

[Anonymous No.13527441]

>>13527425
Ok. Kann aber trotzdem synonym verwendet werden in vielen Fällen. Und der Vergleich mit witzig/lustig ist trotzdem falsch.

[Anonymous No.13527450]

>>13527435
That's retarded. Pick something that reflects how people actually talk. And maybe even teaches you something about the culture.

[Anonymous No.13527465]

>>13527441
>Ok. Kann aber trotzdem synonym verwendet werden in vielen Fällen
Im Englischen vielleicht. Im Deutschen gibt es viele Feinheiten, z.b. sind Wirklichkeit und Realität auch nicht dasgleiche, im Englischen wird aber mit reality beides bezeichnet.

[Anonymous No.13527474]

>>13527267
Oh right. What was I thinking? How about:
>Das doppelte Lottchen
>Any comic strip. Max und Moriz is good, but I also have a Peanuts book in German.

[Anonymous No.13527486]

>>13527325
I just want to commend you for accurately explaining their relationship to the tales
t. A guy who did his senior capstone on the Grimms

[Anonymous No.13527489]

Alfred Andersch
Easy sentences, easy reading but great literature

[Anonymous No.13527499]

>>13527441
War nicht meiner

[Anonymous No.13527519]

>>13527246
Not as many these days actually read them. Just like not all americans these days know about Paul bunyan.

[Anonymous No.13527526]

>>13527519
The Grimms are way more influential, though.

[Anonymous No.13527527]

>>13527499
>I-i didn't know, it wasn't me, I swear
Really, Germ? Again?

[Anonymous No.13527532]

>>13526622
13% but also half

[Anonymous No.13527578]

Guck doch einfach ein bisschen Idiotenchästli, vollzeit kika. Willy will's wissen, mit der Maus und den Elefanten, und soweiter. Oder geh nach Ulm und spiel Flunkyball mit freundliche Fremden.

[Anonymous No.13527594]

>>13527578
>Idiotenchästli
You need to go back.

[Anonymous No.13527618]

>>13527578
>Nutzt ein Komma vor dem und um einen Hauptsatz von einem Nebensatz zu trennen
Kek

[Anonymous No.13527633]

>>13527618
>Lacht über Leute die Kommas falsch setzen
Kek

[Anonymous No.13527685]

Since this thread is already up, I'm gonna ask it here: what are some good books to learn about german history and culture? I want to become a germanboo

[Anonymous No.13527713]

>>13527685
Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.13527731]

>>13524445
musil
von doderer
broch

[Anonymous No.13527743]

I will start with Bernhard.

[Anonymous No.13527757]

Der goldene Topf by E.T.A. Hoffmann is a great read

[Anonymous No.13527775]

Charlotte Roche - Feuchtgebiete

[Anonymous No.13527835]

"Verbrechen" by Ferdinand von Schirach as well as his other books "Schuld" and "Strafe" are a compliation of short stories and are highly recommend.

[Anonymous No.13527868]

>>13527835
Man, I confused him with Baldur von Schirach. I thought it was his thoughts on Nuremberg or something.

[Anonymous No.13527881]

>>13527465
Right, and a bunch of ridiculous conflations where there's an obvious need for more word variation e.g. Himmel or Geist. Meanwhile English has words like knowledge and learning, which both wind up as Wissen or value and worth, which doesn't come across well in German.

[Anonymous No.13527891]

>>13527835
I've read Schuld, which is mostly very easy, aside from some legal expressions and the odd smalltown culture piece of vocab. Don't think it's all that good though. A big chunk of the collection is this crime caper story which is childish as fuck.

Also think that the first story, while striking, is basically just shock tactics.

[Anonymous No.13528106]

>>13527618
Witz'st auf di', bin doch kein Deutschmann, jung.

[Anonymous No.13528136]

>>13527685
Not German, but get a folk songbook. Also just jump down a wiki clickhole on obscure German medieval important figures or places zum Beispiel Esico von Ballenstedt, the river Lahn, the margravate of Saxony, or anything else you can come up with. Preferably in German of course. Then you can get an idea what region or period you like the most and you can find books in that category.

[Anonymous No.13528308]

>>13528136
*for example

[Anonymous No.13528344]

Dürrenmatt writes mostly very clearly and his books aren´t too long but still easy to follow.

[Anonymous No.13528392]

https://www.amazon.com/Märchen-Erzählungen-Anfänger-Erster-German-ebook/dp/B004WPM90I/

[Anonymous No.13528522]

>>13524646
>Emil und die Detektive
unironically top tier /lit/, also Die drei Fragezeichen

[Anonymous No.13528524]

>>13525335
>>13526885
Ouch

[Anonymous No.13528531]

https://www.amazon.com/Das-Nibelungenlied-Mittelhochdeutsch-Neuhochdeutsch-Universal-Bibliothek/dp/3150189144/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=Nibelungenlied&qid=1564089620&s=dvd&sr=1-1-catcorr

[Anonymous No.13528533]

>>13524974
>bruh
I hatet this shit so much as a kid for some reason, the other kids loved it hough. Might be a good recommendation for OP

[Anonymous No.13528550]

>>13524445

Storm of Steel by Ernst Junger

[Anonymous No.13528557]

>>13527232
>Don't kill yourself though please, sorry for saying that.
based

[Anonymous No.13528580]

Just watch '5 Freunde für alle Fälle' or listen to TKKG audiobooks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQ6d8GPXD0

[Anonymous No.13528691]

>>13527618
>Weist auf Kommafehler hin
>Bekommt es selbst nicht richtig auf die Reihe
http://www.sprachschach.de/komma-vor-um/

[Anonymous No.13528708]

>>13527685
Read Böll and Grass, for example "Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum oder: Wie Gewalt entstehen und wohin sie führen kann", "Ansichten eines Clowns" or "Katz und Maus". You'll learn to think like a german boomer aka the main demographic. And they write good books.

[Anonymous No.13528758]

Read the translation of stuff you already know.
For actual spoken language, I recommend the german dub of Star Trek TNG. Very clear, no colloquialisms.

[Anonymous No.13528766]

>>13528758
>star trek
>not stargate

[Anonymous No.13528767]

>>13528708
>Wie Gewalt entstehen und wohin sie führen kann
Sie kann dazu führen das mein Pimmel in jemandes ungeschützten Anus landet.

[Anonymous No.13528774]

>>13524744
>simple
>kafka

lmao

[Anonymous No.13528900]

>>13527594
To?

[Anonymous No.13528923]

>>13528708
The one about the clown is very funny, I too recommend.

[Anonymous No.13528945]

>tfw trunk in Petöcki

I love that short story so damn much.

[Anonymous No.13528959]

>>13528136
>>13528708
>>13528923
Dankeschön, anons.

[Anonymous No.13528996]

>>13528959
Nichts zu danken, mein Schatz.

[Anonymous No.13529007]

Advice please. I've read these so far. Can I start on big boy books yet?

[Anonymous No.13529056]

>>13528758
Star Trek in German sounds like a cool idea.

[Anonymous No.13529380]

>>13529007
Good job! You can now proceed to the Sams and Die Drei Fragezeichen

[Anonymous No.13529403]

why not read comic books in german tho

[Anonymous No.13529423]

>>13529403
*hentai
there, fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.13529636]

>>13528580
Die Drei Fragezeichen für Arbeiterkinder

[Anonymous No.13529654]

>>13524445
Mainlander

[Anonymous No.13529701]

>>13529654
this

[Anonymous No.13529808]

>>13527685
Try Germany: Memories of a Nation by Neil MacGregor

[Anonymous No.13531028]

>>13527402
yeah I'm sure anyone can pick it up after learning German for a few months!

[Anonymous No.13531426]

[Anonymous No.13531679]

[Anonymous No.13531985]

this thread is dead

[Anonymous No.13532069]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Kanon

[Anonymous No.13532355]

>>13531985
Germany is dead

[Anonymous No.13532361]

>>13529007
That's a good collection that probably everyone with at least one German parent has read as a child. Krabat was a darn good book

>>13528900
Wherever people talk like that. I guess some weird Swiss valley where they eat cats for christmas.

[Anonymous No.13532368]

>>13525335
>>13526885
People keep complaining about /lit/ being a male board but when a woman shows up and recommends something she wrote she gets booed down

[Anonymous No.13532418]

>>13532368
I did not say that the story is awful. I said that the German is awful.
If you want to learn a language, you should stay away from incorrect grammar and terms. Period.
And I actually recommended a female german writer, too. Get a grip.

[Anonymous No.13532482]

>>13532368
>People keep complaining about /lit/ being a male board
Literally who? I've never seen anyone seriously complain about that.

[Anonymous No.13532483]

>>13532482
Ironically complaining.

[Anonymous No.13532528]

[Anonymous No.13532603]

>>13529380
The Sams is the most based children's novel series of all time.
Change my mind

[Anonymous No.13532609]

>>13531679
I own that exact edition

[Anonymous No.13532640]

>>13528708
>Katz and Maus
good. Please grass is so fucking boring, except Blechtrommel his writing never amounted to anything of interest

[Anonymous No.13532665]

>>13532355
the islamic republic of germany will last forever

[Anonymous No.13532865]

>>13527757
ETA Hoffmann is based but he's fragmented, psychadelic, fantastic style definitely isn't for beginners

[Anonymous No.13532869]

>>13532865
Sandmann is a great story

>>13532665
hopefully, allahu akbar

[Anonymous No.13532876]

god what an ugly language

[Anonymous No.13532890]

>>13532876
Yes it sounds horrible, but it's not bad. Especially if you want to articulate something very precisely and nuanced. Very autistic language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPO8aDNmg_A

[Anonymous No.13532905]

>>13532355
Und wir haben es getötet.

[Anonymous No.13532916]

>>13532361
Feiern die Nördlingen kein Katschinachtn? Was macht ihr den am 24. Dezambri?

[Anonymous No.13532928]

>>13532869
Yeah I don't disagree that his writing is great, still nothing for beginners. I took a class on Hoffmann once in Germany and there were loads of foreign students and they didn't understand shit.

[Anonymous No.13532942]

>>13532928
Sure, didn't want to disagree. Takes time to get used to his language even as a German.

>>13532916
wat

[Anonymous No.13533005]

>>13532890
Are we posting shitty-but-somehow-sweet-music now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKb-6h8bB1I

[Anonymous No.13533043]

>>13533005
No, we're posting good music.

[Anonymous No.13533075]

>>13524646
>not reinen

[Anonymous No.13533086]

>>13533075
Oh no......here we go again

[Anonymous No.13533091]

>>13533075

[Anonymous No.13533096]

>>13532942
Siehste ni' das'ch mit nur meine kleine Kenntnis der deutschen Sprache und ein wenig Verständnis der schöne Dialekten hier umbartdwisla alles niederschreiben kann, und du Kontextgeweiß doch die Vürtli einfullst deren du noch niemal vorhin in das Gehirn genommen hast. Das ist ja die Schönheit eigen an das germanische Sprachraum. Wi underkennen die Fehler, verstehen es aber noch immer.

[Anonymous No.13533104]

>>13533096
Dialekt is ok, aber schreiben in Dialekt weniger. Genau wie Katzen essen.

[Anonymous No.13533126]

>>13533104
Eine Sprache ist nicht mehr als ein Dialekt worin geschrieben wërd. Ist Letzebürgisch viel anders als Standarddeutsch als Bayerisch oder Schwäbisch?

[Anonymous No.13533137]

>>13533126
Ja, Ich denke schon. Ist aber auch nich der punkt, hochdeutsch ist hochdeutsch und schriftsprache. Zeitungen bei euch sind doch auch auf hochdeutsch, oder nicht.

[Anonymous No.13533152]

>>13533126
Hab jetzt erst kapiert dass das nicht irgendein Schweizer Dialekt ist sondern Luxemburg. Keine Ahnung wie die Zeitungen bei euch aussehen, aber Ich schätze genau wie in der Schweiz hochdeutsch

[Anonymous No.13533240]

>>13533152
Nein, war doch kein Luxemburgs. Ein bisschen improvisiert pseudo-deutsch. Schweizer Standarddeutsch (Zeitungdeutsch) ist aber anders als Bundesrepublikanisch. Ein paar Minuten scrollen auf Züricher Zeitung punkt CH ist genug das zu sehen.

[Anonymous No.13533258]

>>13533240
Ja, ist aber trotzdem hochdeutsch genug um problemlos hier gelesen zu werden. Die WAZ in Castrop-Rauxel verwendet auch ab und zu lokale Wortkreationen oder Satzbau. Kommt aufs gleiche hinaus und ist kein Schreiben im Dialekt.

[Anonymous No.13533654]

>>13533240
>Schweizer Standarddeutsch (Zeitungdeutsch) ist aber anders als Bundesrepublikanisch.
Inwiefern? Ausser ss/ß bemerke ich davon nichts.

[Anonymous No.13533662]

>>13533654
>1933 Kalender
kek

[Anonymous No.13534281]

>>13533654
Ja, es ist logisch dass du nichts bemerkst, denn es geht hier um ein 'Standardsprache', es gibt in Schweizer Zeitungen und Schrift ins allgemeine viele sogenannte 'Helvetismen'. Wörter oder Satzteile die außen CH/Ö/Baden-Württemberg-Bayern kaum genutzt werden.

[Anonymous No.13534342]

>>13534281
>>13533654
>>13533258
>>13533240
>>13533152
>>13533137
>>13533126
>>13533104
>>13533096
>>13532942
>>13532916
>>13532361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0

[Anonymous No.13534358]

>>13534342
Ich versteh gar nicht was du meinst.

[Anonymous No.13534449]

>>13534358
Eure Diskussion würde ich doch gewiss als «salty» kennzeichnen

[Anonymous No.13534622]

>>13534449
Ist mir egal ;^)

[Anonymous No.13534737]

>>13524445
jump straight in to Faust

[Anonymous No.13534768]

>>13532368
/lit/ is literally 50% female though

[Anonymous No.13534816]

>>13534737
Even native Germans can't read that.

[Anonymous No.13534821]

>>13527618
>vor dem und um
*vor dem und, um

[Anonymous No.13534829]

>>13528708
>Grass
no please

[Anonymous No.13534879]

>>13532603
>Change my mind
try this

[Anonymous No.13534911]

>>13534737
>jump straight in to Faust
Based, but only the first part.

[Anonymous No.13534940]

>>13534911
>despising the homunculus

[Anonymous No.13535095]

>>13527465
>z.b. sind Wirklichkeit und Realität auch nicht dasgleiche

Currently learning German. Can you elaborate on this?

[Anonymous No.13536178]

>>13534829
You mean avoid Grass on the recommendation of a critic who personally hated him, missed no chance to shit on him, and still wound up praising several of his books?

[Anonymous No.13536743]

>>13524445
krabat. It's ment for young adults

[Anonymous No.13536746]

>>13536743
this is great, favorite book of mine as a child

[Anonymous No.13536875]

>>13534768
That would explain the Marxism.

[Anonymous No.13537446]

Read either the niebelungen or faust.

[Anonymous No.13538376]

Take the kafkapill

[Anonymous No.13538391]

>>13537446
>>13538376
He is starting to learn German you fucking autists

[Anonymous No.13538411]

>>13524445
To hijack the thread, where do you guys download German language ebooks?

[Anonymous No.13538858]

>>13538411
try booksc or libgen

[Anonymous No.13538877]

>>13538391
Kafa's pretty approachable.

[Anonymous No.13538904]

>>13538877
no, he's not. are you retarded? if you start learning German, Kafka is not "pretty approachable"

[Anonymous No.13539777]

>>13538877
Perhaps if you're B1 or preferably B2 with lots of vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.13540153]

>>13526498
that would be an enormous amount of pointless busywork but I'm sure people do it because they're videogame autists that live to fill progress bars. spend that time reading in the language instead.

[Anonymous No.13540174]

>>13540153
I do it although I hate videogames. But I'm definitely autistic in that regard

[Anonymous No.13540203]

>>13527296
assimil is trash that housewives use to pretend they're learning something. the only usable tape course is michel thomas and even that's just a gentle introduction for absolute beginners.

[Anonymous No.13541772]

Has anyone here read Kant or Schopenhauer in German? The contents of their works are obviously not easy to grasp (especially Kant), but are they readable for a B1/B2 student?

[Anonymous No.13542287]

>>13541772
I've read Kant in school, and I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.13542660]

>>13541772
Kant no; Schopenhauer might very well be possible for B2.

[Anonymous No.13542671]

>>13540203
Pimsleur is alright.
And michel thomas has multiple levels available.

[Anonymous No.13542793]

>>13524496
Holy shit bro, do you do this for every language? I've seen, what, norweigen and french so far?

I'm very curious. Why do you do this? Do you make any money from this? Perhaps just for fun?

[Anonymous No.13542804]

>>13542793
>bro
he's a girl

[Anonymous No.13542880]

>>13542804
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.13542901]

>>13524445

[Anonymous No.13542908]

>>13542880
Because that's a girl's name

[Anonymous No.13542945]

>>13542908
Female yes but its just a pen name, which is just one of many
check out ingrid oslo on amazon, same guy

[Anonymous No.13542963]

>>13542945
Huh. Well that explains the quality of language.

[Anonymous No.13543344]

>>13538391
Kafka is amazing for learning vocabulary even as a native German speaker I learned a lot of new words that aren't commonly used

[Anonymous No.13543356]

>>13543344
Yes, and it's a great way to make people think you're weird if you actually use them in a conversation. Either way it's not a good idea to read Kafka to learn German.

[Anonymous No.13543363]

>>13543356
>he hasn't adopted the words, phrases and general style Kafka uses in his normal German speech

Plebian.

[Anonymous No.13543446]

>>13524445
Ollendorff is what you want. You will learn the Kurrentschrift which is the handwriting and then you will proceed to the lessons which are composed of simple sentences which progressively become harder. There are many editions but all can be found if search for ollendorff on archive.org

Book
https://archive.org/details/newmethodoflearn00olle/page/n5

Key to exercises
https://archive.org/details/keytoexercisesi02ollegoog

[Anonymous No.13543451]

>>13543446
The Ollendorff method of learning is also used for other languages like Italian, French, Greek

[Anonymous No.13543455]

>>13543344
>>13543363
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqYV-GLnxQU
>t,

[Anonymous No.13543459]

>>13524445
lederhosen

[Anonymous No.13543661]

>>13543455
although, i agree that the anon you responded to is pretentious af, i don't think the guy in the video was pretentious. if anything he's cringy

[Anonymous No.13545259]

are you the guy who posts on /b/ asking to be humiliated?

[Anonymous No.13545589]

>>13542793
>michel thomas has multiple levels
yes and i was talking about all of them. all the levels of mt for a given language add up to a beginner's introduction to grammar. i like these courses but they're just a starting point.

[Anonymous No.13545600]

>>13524445
Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.13545601]

Karl May.

[Anonymous No.13545603]

>>13545259
Yeah there's only one german person in the world