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>If there is no god, then everything is allowed.
Atheists BTFO

>> No.13514959

>inb4 someone posts old reddit switcheroo Zizek quote
its wrong

>> No.13514960

>>13514951
How do you know that bucko?

>> No.13514961

>Christians actually admit the only reason they don't commit atrocities is because they are scared of a sky fairy

>> No.13514963

>>13514960
>>13514961
cope harder

>> No.13514965

>>13514963
Can you give me an explanation for your belifs or is this just your fefees?

>> No.13514968
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>>13514961
>sky fairy

>> No.13514970

Why is this a problem? Atheism is a factual claim not a moral one.

>> No.13514973

>>13514970
If your cosmology doesn’t rest on something objective it fails apart somewhere

>> No.13514974

>>13514951
Reminder that Dosto refuted himself when he wrote that Ivan speech with Alyosha about the innocent children.

>> No.13514977

>>13514973
Sure, objective reality seems like a good candidate for that.

>> No.13515004

I think he meant that for the people who say the "well I don't believe in god, but religion is important to the masses". Since the people who say this type of shit see themselves as superior over everyone else, and by that logic justify getting away with whatever.

I think the point in the end is that these people are chained by their own delusions of superiority, because while they are thinking that they are somehow working society to their own benefit, to the outside viewer they look as dishonest asslickers, and all around shitty people.

>> No.13515011

>>13514970
brainlet post

>> No.13515014

>>13515011
How about you explain your objection if it's such an obviously stupid post? Should be easy.

>> No.13515015

>>13514977
>Objective reality

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>>13514951
You have the ability to choose what to believe in to some extent and in the end you have to worship something. Those who don't worship a god end up worshiping something else, like themselves in Ivan's case, or a woman in Dmitri's. It was put better by Voltaire - "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." Nietzsche also said something similar.

Now that it has become popular to say these things, you have the opportunity to be a pissy little ironic shit and make this board gay with your posts.

>> No.13515029

>>13515015
The success of physics is very strong evidence for the existence of objective reality.

>> No.13515051

>>13515029
I’m a scientist from the future with a genetic mutation. This mutation allows me to conduct experiments normal people couldn’t. USing these experiments I’ve proven god exists. I came back to save you.

>> No.13515054

How does this BTFO atheists at all? Even if we were to grant this you have to prove how this is a bad thing. And even if you DID prove that it was a bad thing that would entail nothing more than "atheism leads to bad societal consequences" not "atheism isn't true".

>> No.13515056

Atheist ethics are trash

>> No.13515058

>being a materialist because muh senses

>> No.13515083

>>13514965
>fefees
either ya got me or go back.

>> No.13515091

>>13514961
They've bought so hard into the civilization system that they are ignorant of just how oversocialized they are.

>> No.13515102

>>13515091
>Christians
>oversocialized
>current year

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>>13515102
Absolutely, they may not be as advanced as the SJWs but they definitely share the same lineage. Christians are just an obsolete model of leftist

>> No.13515159

>>13514961
Morality becoming relativistic is a very important goalpost for opportunistic and alternative views of morality, including and justifying everything. Starting with your view, so do stay retarded while Epsteins rape your kids.

>> No.13515166

>>13514951
And behold: everything is allowed. God btfo

>> No.13515174

>>13514961
You think you're wearing a Ring of Gyges but you're not invisible m8

>> No.13515177

>>13515117
Leftists see no moral value in purity, tradition or loyalty. Nothing is nor can be sacred to them. Christianity and all systems that seek to exist are inherently right wing.

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>>13514951

Good and evil are modes of thought that only exist in the fragmentary, confused minds of humans. Everything follows from the necessity of the Divine Nature. That which occurs does so necessarily.

>> No.13515205

>>13515177
>WAAAAA DONT CURSE THE NAME OF GOD DONT SWEAR DONT BE GAY DONT SHOW VIOLENCE ON TV BAN REBELLIOUS MUSIC BE RESPECTFUL ATTEND CHURCH EVERY DAY DONT DRESS IMMODESTLY DONT ACT ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE GENDER ROLE YOU CORRESPOND TO
Lmao. Christians are exactly like the SJWs: moralising faggots

>> No.13515211

>>13515205
>mixing up proties with the catholic church
so this is the true power of burger education.....

>> No.13515212

>>13515177
Replacing your real traditions with made up, foreign substitutes doesn't count as conservatism

>> No.13515214

>>13515029
>The success of physics
>Changes once every 60 years or so

>> No.13515220

>>13515177
>all systems that seek to exist are inherently right wing.
wut

>> No.13515229

>>13515220
Leftism is a death cult. Rand basically said as much.

>> No.13515235

>>13515211
>catholic church
okay let me try
>WAAA DON'T WEAR CONDOMS DONT HAVE SEX DONT CURSE DONT SCREAM WHEN WE RAPE YOU DONT HAVE SEX IF YOU'RE GAY DONT DRESS IMMODESTLY

>> No.13515243

>>13515205
>having sanctified moral norms in a society
>moralizing
It's a general human behavior, moralizing that is. A trait in our species. Even you are moralizing with that post.
>behave as I want or else I'll be an asshat
Go be an asshat.

>> No.13515245

>2019
>Not thinking your own morals are universal

>> No.13515254

>>13515083
Seems like I got by pounding you with my superior intellect.

>> No.13515255

>>13515004
Nice alternative take.

>> No.13515277

>>13515243
>Even you are moralizing with that post.
I'm not moralising, I'm making fun of you. I don't care whether Catholics and Christtards wanna cry and protest heavy metal music. As long as they're not given power to impose their morals onto me they can do whatever they want. Also even if I was moralising, they difference between me and them is that their morals are completely retarded and trivial just like the SJWs, while mine are not.

>> No.13515285

>>13514951
do mexican cartels prove there is no god then?

>> No.13515293

>>13515205
>NOoooooo noooooo you can't tell me what is right or wrong reeeeee fuck you fuck you info what I want I decide what is right and wrong shut up about your morals reeeeee
Honestly egoist are as cringe as sjw : amoralising faggots

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>>13514951
If God exists, then everything is permitted

*sniffs*

>> No.13515319

>>13515191

No one can touch this Blessed man

>> No.13515320

>>13515312
If God exists, then nothing is permitted. And therefore everything is unpermitted.

*hits blunt and reads Isaiah*

>> No.13515328

>>13514951
>If there is no god, then everything is allowed.
but everything is allowed?

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Pol Pot alone proves him right. No religious person could ever commit all those evils he did.

>> No.13515346

>>13514951
dosto was right.
god give moral context to human beings. and so what?. that dont make it true.
>everything is permitted, nothing is true.

>> No.13515350

>>13515293
The SJW's and the Christians are almost identical in the way they go about things, the only way they differ is in their goals. The false reverence, the control of language, the ultra-sensitivity, the moralising, the protesting, the outrage, etc.

>> No.13515397

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
MY CHRISTIAN MOOOOOOOOORALITY
LOOOOK AT ALL THIS EEEEVIL HAPPENING WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA MOMMY THIS IS BAAAD MAMAAAAA

STOP HUUUUURTING PEOOOPLE WAAAA YOU ARE INVAAAAAALIDATING MY WOOOOOOORLDVIEW WAAAAAAAAAAAA
GOOOOOD DOESNT LIIIIIKE THAAT WAAAAAAAA EVEN THOUGH HE ALLOOOOOWS IT TOOOOO HAAAAAPEN WAAAAAA BUT HEEE DOOOOES THAAT SOOOOO WEEE CAN HAAAAAAVE GOOOOD WHIIIIIICH MEAANS HE DOOOES LIKE THAT WAAAAAAAAA I CANT RECONCILE WITH THIS COOOOOOOONTRAAAADICTION SOOOO IM GOING TO IGNOOOOOOOOOORE IT WAAAAAAAAAA

"does not true pessimism consist in viewing the world as fundamentally good, leaving the slightest accident to make us despair of that vision?"
-Jean Baudrillard, Cool Memories III

>> No.13515406

>>13515397
why does christianity make atheists seethe so much

t. agnostic

>> No.13515409

>>13515212
>traditions I don't like are not real

>> No.13515414

>>13515406
Man's revolt against God culminates in crying.

>> No.13515418

>>13515350
>>there aren’t any nuances to belief
>>everyone who disagrees with me is the same

>> No.13515602

>>13515229
>Rand
yikes

>> No.13515715

>>13515397
that's a completely innacurate strawman
the world ISN'T fundamentally good, that's an important point in christianity
only god is fundamentally good

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>> No.13515773

>>13515743
God is more than the memes, just as we are more than our atoms/genes.

>> No.13515816

OP here, I made my post as a joke to parody the stupid non-sequiturs that theists use as arguments. Obviously, it worked out and a lot of people took the bait, so I'm happy.

>> No.13515833

>>13515816
dilate

>> No.13515923

>>13515833
cringe, cope, and have sex, incel

>> No.13515935

>>13515923
i turned down sex once

>> No.13515942

>>13515935
I see, are you ftm or mtf?

>> No.13516361

>>13515255
That was basically the entire arc of Ivan in TBK

>> No.13516390

>>13514961
Nice straw man, faggot.

>> No.13516849

>>13515177
>Leftists see no moral value in purity, tradition or loyalty. Nothing is nor can be sacred to them
muh human life, muh working-class literally the opium of the leftoid

>> No.13516862

>>13515406
because they fell for the muh good nature meme

>> No.13516990

>>13514951
aren't you faggot always on about how "with god all things are possible"? make up your damn minds

>> No.13516998

>>13514970
Atheism is the rejection of a belief. It's not even a claim at all.

>> No.13517002

>>13515056
as opposed to the genocide commanded by the old testament god?

>> No.13517009

Don't engage with christcucks. Tell them they have togo. Make fun of them. Ridicule them. They are a vermin on /lit/, they constantly litter, derail threads, nothing of value is ever posted by them. Make them want to leave, and we'll finally have a nice board for ourselves.

>> No.13517107

>>13514961

based and ironpilled

>> No.13517125

73 replies and no one points out that Dostoyevsky never said this, either in his own voice or in the voice of one of his characters.

>> No.13517211

>>13514961
based and moralrealismpilled

>> No.13517233

The most depraved acts are more often than not committed in the name of God. It is belief in God that permits anything, it just depends to which God you pray and how hardline you or your retard parents who brought you up were.

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>>13514951
Even if there is a god everything is still allowed. What God says just becomes moral law, thus anything can be allowed as long as one believes God allows it.

>> No.13517292

>>13514951
Doesn't that prove there is no God since everything humany possible is literally allowed

>> No.13517301

>>13514977
Fuck off Sam, morals are based off of God and you can't build them from nothing