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Anonymous Tue Jul 23 09:18:27 2019 No.13514659 [Reply] [Original]

How come we have so many theological texts from ancient Egypt, but they're never discussed here? The corpus is as rich as the Greek mythological relics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 09:22:27 2019 No.13514675 because it's infantile wrestling lore tier

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 09:22:36 2019 No.13514678

>>13514659
Because people on 4chan (and generally elsewhere) are archaelogically ignorant. The idea that eveything began with the Greeks is still a widepread meme, even though the earliest Greek we care about are chronologically closer to us than they are to the invention of cuneiform.

What theological texts do you recommend?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 09:23:50 2019 No.13514684 >>13514675 Don't you dare compare wrestling lore to the heap of shit that is Kemetism.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 09:25:47 2019 No.13514692

>>13514678
The Coffin texts are generally a good introduction to an evolutionary perspective of Egyptian metaphysics and their idea of the ''afterlife''.

>start with the greeks meme
That's true - although i have been seeing ''start with the Sumerians'' a lot more lately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:05:20 2019 No.13515109 http://www.sofiatopia.org/maat/ten_keys.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 12:48:42 2019 No.13515571 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 12:50:58 2019 No.13515581 >>13514659 Are ancient Egyptians indo-european? If so, please give me all the major texts you can

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 12:57:43 2019 No.13515607

>>13515581
No, the Egyptian language belongs to the Afro-Asiatic language family.
>>13514678
>Because people on 4chan (and generally elsewhere) are archaelogically ignorant.
So were the Greeks we got the beginnings of our own literature from, who couldn't read the hieroglyphs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 13:02:34 2019 No.13515629 >>13515607 >So were the Greeks we got the beginnings of our own literature from, who couldn't read the hieroglyphs. Ptolemaic scholars could, i presume?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 13:06:39 2019 No.13515650 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 14:24:00 2019 No.13515980 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 14:26:25 2019 No.13515993 Most mythology/ancient theology is unironically cringey and devoid of any literary merit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:02:36 2019 No.13516489 >>13515993 bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:04:06 2019 No.13516501 >>13516489 He's a Christian. Give him a break

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:41:00 2019 No.13517078 >>13516501 He used the word cringey, implying atheism, but also used the word theology, implying Christianity. Hmm. This is a dilemma.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:42:26 2019 No.13517088 The Egyptian Book of the Dead almost made me cry at several points. It awakened in me a purer, more genuinely religious feeling than all my years studying in the Bible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:43:40 2019 No.13517097 >>13514692 I think the new meme is to start with the Bronze Age.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 19:24:42 2019 No.13517546 >>13517088 any particular passages you mind sharing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:54:24 2019 No.13517880 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 21:34:26 2019 No.13518015 sumer>eg*pt

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 01:26:46 2019 No.13518808 >>13518015 Egypt has so much history but doesn’t matter one bit, they’re the side story of history

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 01:55:27 2019 No.13518881
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>>13518808
>they’re the side story of history
lol no. The Egyptians had a heavy influence on Greek philosophy, and a few philosophers from Thales through Plato were inducted in Egyptian mystery cults. And of course, you have Hermeticism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 01:55:55 2019 No.13518882 >>13518881 Go to bed Marsilio

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 02:01:52 2019 No.13518901 File: 17 KB, 392x590, (You).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13518808

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 02:27:24 2019 No.13518965 >>13515109 Top tier site. The "neurotheological" stuff is kinda...superfluous. Although the "reptilian brain" is pertinent to beholding everything in yourself and everything in the other and such. http://www.sofiatopia.org/equiaeon/henotheism.htm

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:14:36 2019 No.13519879 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:17:05 2019 No.13519890 >>13518881 The egyptians had an influence on the british so they created a school dedicated to them, doesn’t mean they mattered to western civilization then

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 09:37:24 2019 No.13520342 >>13517078 bait

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 10:49:16 2019 No.13520638 File: 45 KB, 577x452, 73697770919.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13514659 Praise kek nigger

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 13:05:51 2019 No.13521184 bump

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 13:43:28 2019 No.13521381
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>>13517088
>used to be really creeped out by Egypt as a kid
>the dark, musty tombs
>mummies
>thought there was something evil and demonic by the whole culture, completely repulsed

>am older
>recognize it is one of the most luminous, life-affirming cultures that has ever existed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 15:54:28 2019 No.13522064 >>13521381 b&r

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 15:56:14 2019 No.13522075 >>13520638 >You think this frog plague bothers me? Everyone loves these frogs. They're just chilling with us. Your god is weak, old man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 19:55:30 2019 No.13523365 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 20:53:06 2019 No.13523675 bump

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 00:22:54 2019 No.13524358 >>13517088 Which edition/translation?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 02:11:08 2019 No.13524716

>>13521381
>used to be deeply fascinated by Egypt as a kid
>the ludicrously precise monuments
>pharaohs as living gods
>felt the draw of some mystic and imperial allure to the culture, completely enamored

>am older
>condemn it as one of the most pervasive, well-preserved body of cultural curses (and conversely the first known peak of idealist metaphysics).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 02:12:29 2019 No.13524721 *as the most

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:20:11 2019 No.13525641 >>13524716 praise ra faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:31:49 2019 No.13525677 File: 22 KB, 333x499, 41rkUo3K4zL._SX331_BO1_204_203_200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Neoplatonism was the definitive expression of Egyptian metaphysics.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:33:18 2019 No.13525685
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>>13525641
I prefer Ptah, but I also think you mistake me: I don't throw the covers over my head and deny the curses, I'm doing the opposite by stating them as such, otherwise it all seems like dead mythology and not the source of most ancient/modern ideological entrapments.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:36:30 2019 No.13525696 >>13525685 By giving them power you accurately give them the form to allow people to free themselves from them.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:39:38 2019 No.13525705

>>13525696
Well traditionally speaking if you mediate the transfer of ideological compartments then you can effectively monitor a population through themselves, "telepathically" communicate with them, etc. But yes, that's the modernist, Freudian solution, relentlessly draw awareness to the threat as a preliminary to larger analysis/action.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:42:41 2019 No.13525716

>>13525705
That's true. The ''Freudian'' solution as you call it is mediation in itself. (what communication isn't?)
The cyclical nature of this process leads one to believe that truth must be somewhere else. (if that isn't communication and external conception itself)

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:46:00 2019 No.13525726

>>13514678
It’s not just 4chan though, it’s a common western bias.

Op, I think it comes down to the fact that there is a rich cultural history of portraying hellas as the melting pot of the west and taking ownership of that in our self-conception.

Egyptian, assyrian and babylonian civilizations were great and rich but the fact is just that the greco-roman world won in terms of cultural afterlife and impact.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 06:50:30 2019 No.13525747 >>13514659 Because we don't understand them at all. Egyptians had like 15 words which we translate to "heaven" and yet used them in seemingly different contexts, and we still don't know for sure what did they mean by this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 09:57:02 2019 No.13526390 bumop

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:04:17 2019 No.13526420 >>13514659 Fucking furries

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 13:49:45 2019 No.13527414 bamp

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 16:02:26 2019 No.13528078 >>13514675 so are al mythologies

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 16:21:15 2019 No.13528195 >>13514692 Start with the Sumerians is a fifty year old philology meme, and quintessentially British.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 16:23:49 2019 No.13528219

>>13515607
>The hieroglyphs
It's a script that was in constant development for thousands of years. Of course some Greeks couldn't read some of it. But there was a Greek colony in the middle of Egypt and both Greeks and Egyptians liked to trade at Cyprus for a very long time. Pretty sure there would be people who understood both.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 16:30:50 2019 No.13528270 File: 146 KB, 500x522, white-girls-fuck-dogs-12131810.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13526420 >Greek myth regularly depicts bestiality

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 18:47:11 2019 No.13528980 bump

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