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[Anonymous No.13513572]

>author uses a hard magic system

[Anonymous No.13513574]

>D&D

[Anonymous No.13513606]

hard as in overly complicated or what do you mean exactly?

[Anonymous No.13513618]

>>13513606
magic that is completely systematized and explained rather than left vague, wondrous, and mysterious

[Anonymous No.13513621]

>>13513618
For example?

[Anonymous No.13513644]

>>13513618
rather than left having no limitations (i.e. has Mary Sues), having conflict resolve without foreshadowing (i.e. has asspulls), or greater implications on the setting in terms of how society works (i.e. has bad world building)*
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.13513708]

>>13513606
>>13513618
>>13513644
Best magic systems are like Avatar. Limited but not systematically so. Of course, this only applies to standard fantasy and its notion of magic. All in all, magic is usually trash.

[Anonymous No.13513711]

>author has a magic system

[Anonymous No.13513725]

D&D was a mistake.
Or rather authors reducing magic to roleplay systems with a few digits was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.13513731]

>post-D&D magic in books
Just drop it 70% of the time.

[Anonymous No.13513822]

>fiction

[Anonymous No.13514349]

>>13513621

Anything by Brandon Sanderson. Mistborn and SLA being the most prominent examples. Characters are obligated to fulfil certain pre-conditions and have very finite, measurable amounts of magic they can use.

Compare this to The Black Company by Glen Cook. Sorcerors are mysterious as fuck and just shoot shit out of their hands like it's nothing. They still have limits and caveats but they are kept secret and safe, away from even the reader's knowledge.

[Anonymous No.13514354]

>>13513822
Please tell me you’re the real cockjak

[Anonymous No.13514479]

>>13513572
I even hate it in DnD. Magic should have rules but they should be about the sacrifice. The effect should be dynamic based on luck, charisma, will and especially the strength of their faith.

[Anonymous No.13514927]

Malazan has a good magic system

[Anonymous No.13514997]

>Book is pay to win.

[Anonymous No.13515032]

>>13513572
>duh grug like soft magic. grug like Harry Potter shooty shoot wand. grug no like to think.

[Anonymous No.13515044]

>author pulls spells out of his ass that are used exactly once and never again
>even though it would solve literally every conflict later on

[Anonymous No.13515115]

>>13515044
That's just poor storytelling.

[Anonymous No.13515135]

>author tells a linear story with no flashbacks, flashforwards, or flashsideways

[Anonymous No.13515297]

>>13513572
>Any form of magic is indistinguishable from sufficiently advanced technology.
Face it, we'd all be considered high-level wizards if we found ourselves in the past with a smart phone and a handgun (though we'd run out of "spells" eventually).

[Anonymous No.13515408]

>>13515135
You mean a story told in the best way possible?

[Anonymous No.13515861]

>>13515032
/thread

[Anonymous No.13516430]

>>13513708
>Best magic systems are like Avatar.
Avatar's magic system is too inconsistent and resulted in a shitty ending.

[Anonymous No.13517311]

>>13514479
> Magic should have rules but they should be about the sacrifice.

CRINGE, this is true brainlet tier. Instead of accepting magic you're still trying to "justify" it from a Puritanical hard work standpoint, when in reality the increase in optionality present in a universe where that sacrifice is possible makes such a universe intrinsically "easier" than our own, regardless of the cost to the character.

The "magic should have a cost!" meme is genuinely plebeian.

[Anonymous No.13517343]

>>13515135
Good.

[Anonymous No.13517386]

>>13517311
Or... the sacrifices are put in there as a device so the character won't just spam it to solve everything. It also adds tension.
A character with a gun that only has one bullet left leads to a much more nail biting scenario than if he had a practical infinite amount.

[Anonymous No.13518250]

>>13517386
Not a bad point, but in execution it often shows a small-minded character drama mindset where a cost to the character is as significant as a cost to the world at large.

[Anonymous No.13518378]

>>13513572
>uses a hard magic system but it's implemented vaguely

[Anonymous No.13518437]

>author foreshadows himself breaking his own magic system 12 years before actually doing it

[Anonymous No.13518444]

>>13515032
>>13515861
confirmed genuine autists
go read a fucking ingredient label faggots

[Anonymous No.13518452]

>>13515044
it's best to very sparingly use magic to solve the protagonist's problems
creating them however is a different story