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Researchers at Poland’s Institute of Nuclear Physics found complex ‘fractal’ patterning of sentences in literature, particularly in James Joyce’s Finnegans Wake, which resemble ‘ideal’ maths seen in nature
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jan/27/scientists-reveal-multifractal-structure-of-finnegans-wake-james-joyce

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>>13509747

>> No.13509776

>The results of our analysis of this text are virtually indistinguishable from ideal, purely mathematical multifractals
He did it on purpose.

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>Finnegans Wake is a book that many may have bought and probably no one has read beyond the first few pages. It seems like one must read it simultaneously, all at the same time. How can you do that it's not explained. Maybe God can do it
J. L. Borges.

>> No.13509847

>>13509747
>I am really one of the greatest engineers, if not the greatest, in the world besides being a musicmaker, philosophist and heaps of other things. All the engines I know are wrong. Simplicity. I am making an engine with only one wheel. No spokes of course. The wheel is a perfect square. You see what I’m driving at, don’t you? I am awfully solemn about it, mind you, so you must not think it is a silly story about the mouse and the grapes. No, it’s a wheel, I tell the world. And it’s all square.
- james joyce.

>> No.13510432

>>13509780
Memorize then synthesize

>> No.13511349

what does it even mean for the book to have mathematical shit?

>> No.13511618

>>13511349
it doesn't have mathematical shit.

>> No.13511682

>>13511349
Means I can get some funding

>> No.13511706

>Poland’s Institute of Nuclear Physics

>> No.13511738

>>13509747
People have been claiming numerology is found in literature for ages. The Muslims cite numerology in the Qu'ran as a miracle. It's all bullshit.

>> No.13511742

>>13511738
this isn't numerology, though

>> No.13511747

>>13511742
It's the same shit.

>> No.13511780

>>13511747
because muslims were inventing shit about their holy book?

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>Researchers have shown that page numbers and chapter index both follow a linear pattern
>"Massive breakthrough", said mathematic literary scientist Bert Butthole

>> No.13511818

>>13511799
?

>> No.13511833

>>13511747
it isn't, though. and nobody is claiming is a miracle.

>> No.13511837

>>13511349
scientists are faggots.

>> No.13511841

>>13511799
Why are elephants like this omg

>> No.13511865

>>13511833
>>13511780
Don't have to claim it's a miracle. It's the same reasoning.

>> No.13511867

Studies like this are all nonsense. They claimed the same thing to explain the appeal of Jackson Pollock paintings.

>> No.13511876

>>13511865
there's a big difference between claiming some book is a miracle because of numerology and saying a novel is as complex as a fractal when it comes to its linguistic qualities and structure.

>> No.13511885

>>13511876
>there's a big difference between looking for "mathematical structures" in a work of literature and doing the exact same thing but claiming it's a miracle
You don't claim it's a miracle, you claim it's a masterpiece. It's all horseshit numerology tier nonsense.

>> No.13511887

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

>> No.13511917

Of course the anti-stem brigade has to come and shit on anything involving mathematics. This is fascinating and probably means something, although I have no idea what. The fact that most novels display this pattern and the fact that the most experimental and dreamlike novel ever written displays this pattern so strongly seems unlikely to be coincidental.

I found the paper, the guardian didn't actually cite it properly
doi:10.1016/j.ins.2015.10.023

>> No.13511926

>>13511885
Nobody is claiming these books are masterpieces because they have fractal patterns, they were declared masterpieces long before that for their content. Then some people analyzed these masterpieces and found these patterns.

>> No.13512056

>>13511799
THEY EAT DA POO POO

>> No.13512280

> Marcel Proust’s À la recherche du temps perdu showed “little correlation” to multifractality, however; nor did Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged.
I haven't read Proust, but isn't his work stream of conscious too?

>> No.13512705

>>13509747
Really, sentence lengths? That's all they could use to characterize the structure of the text?

>> No.13512957

>>13511349
It means someone is paying people to "research" books, and they provide "evidence" of something vague so they continue getting money and dont end up out of a job. This "research" has likely been going on for years and will continue for another decade because these people have bills to pay and have no real job to do.

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>>13511349
they just collected the lengths of each sentence lmao