What are your thoughts on "Hopepunk" as a literary trend?

[Anonymous No.13504702]

I recently discovered its existence while reading a thread discussing the recent trend of "grimdark" fantasy in the vein of A Song of Ice And Fire. While I'm unsure of how popular it actually is, I was nevertheless wondering what some people from here, who seem to have a diverse set of perspectives, thought about the concept. I say that because most of the articles I could find on the subject were from obviously left-wing news sites with a political agenda.

Here's a fairly respectable source:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-is-hopepunk-mannerpunk-words-were-watching

Here's one from vox, please don't flame me for including it:
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18137571/what-is-hopepunk-noblebright-grimdark

This guy thinks it's catholic:
https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2019/02/01/what-hopepunk-and-why-it-so-quintessentially-catholic

[Anonymous No.13504721]

this is the literature board not the YA genre fiction board

[Anonymous No.13504733]

you idiots cant keep adding "punk" to everything

[Anonymous No.13504737]

>>13504733
this, I'm tired of seeing some new "punk" aesthetic, cut it out and pick a more original name

[Anonymous No.13504745]

>>13504721
fpbp

[Anonymous No.13504784]

From skimming those articles I get the impression it's just a slogan for more gay "orange man bad" crap.

[Anonymous No.13504805]

>>13504733
maybe you are just not enlightened enough to appreciate neo anarcho-punk aesthetics? pleb

[Anonymous No.13504831]

>>13504784
That's what they're saying but it's vox so I wouldn't exactly consider their interpretation valid. I think the point is that hopepunk (which is a garbage fucking name btw) is opposed to things like GOT are very grim and cynical, with a worldview that considers people and society to be generally cruel and hopelessly flawed. Hopepunk is more about saying that despite these flaws the world is still a hopeful place and that a better reality is worth fighting for.

Maybe I'm wrong but that's the idea I got.

[Anonymous No.13504878]

Sounds like heroism, why is there even a -punk at the end? Because it's against The System(tm)?

[Anonymous No.13504917]

>>13504831
>despite these flaws the world is still a hopeful place and that a better reality is worth fighting for.
That's wrong, though.

[Anonymous No.13504918]

>>13504702
Listen to the British 'post punk' band IDLES for an example of 'hope' punk and its aesthetics (or just look up a pic of the band members; it's sufficient) Their second album, Joy as an Act of Resistance, is probably the best example. You can also probably guess what some of the themes of their songs are. Anyone that can be described as 'hope punk' can probably be called leftist as well.

[Anonymous No.13504924]

>>13504733
punkmodernism

[Anonymous No.13504932]

>human nature is fundamentally good
>the world is worth fighting for
>a better future is possible if we just try
>being alive is a good thing

[Anonymous No.13504934]

>>13504917
Yeah, I know. Just pointing out what I think they mean. I think the world should be cleansed of all life.

[Anonymous No.13504954]

>>13504702
>___punk

[Anonymous No.13504959]

>>13504831
sounds reddit

[Anonymous No.13504965]

Apparently goodreads has a list of books fitting the description.

https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/hopepunk

[Anonymous No.13504995]

>>13504878
Because man is vain and thinks he is superior to all previous living generations. Oh, my idea has been done before? I'll just give it a cool new flashy name, that way people forget about all the old shits before me and only remember me.

[Anonymous No.13505001]

The basic idea sounds cool to me. I've heard noblebright before as a contrast to grimdark. But I like the idea of stories and literature. Being written from an optimistic mindset. Especially in the political climate we're in, where(at least in America) the conversation is centered around two opposing forms of pessimism.

Also for all the hee-ing and haw-ing in this thread about reddit and left-wing types, I don't see a single reason why the stylistic elements present in "hopepunk" aren't compatible with traditionalist, religious or right-wing mindsets.

I mean shit, chivalric literature and poetry is already basically this. I'm surprised Gawain and The Green Knight wasn't on the earlier mentioned Goodreads list.

[Anonymous No.13505002]

>>13504965
>The Hobbit is """"hopepunk""""

[Anonymous No.13505016]

>>13505002
>he doesn't know you can find things from the past to fit with current aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.13505031]

>>13505016
Sure, just explain to me what parts of the Hobbit fit any kind of 'punk'.

[Anonymous No.13505049]

>>13505031
No one alleged that it fit "punk", they said it fits "hopepunk". Stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.13505068]

>>13505031
Do you throw a fucking conniption fit when people talk about cyberpunk as well? Shut the fuck up. Also, to give an actual answer, Tolkien wrote the Hobbit partially in opposition to literary trends of the day. One could argue that it is actually "punk" in that sense.

[Anonymous No.13505075]

>>13505049
But then why add punk to the end? What meaning does the word gain by arbitrarily attaching punk as a suffix?

[Anonymous No.13505089]

>>13505075
Listen, I think the name is stupid too. The only justification I can think for it is what >>13505068 said. That it represents a stand in opposition against dominant literary trends.

[Anonymous No.13505090]

>>13505031
Hobbits are filthy, smelly, and live in dirt

[Anonymous No.13505095]

>hopepunk
>punk

What retard named this genre? And why did most of them go on with that?

[Anonymous No.13505100]

>>13505090
They also don't give a fuck about what normie races think

[Anonymous No.13505102]

>>13505068
No because cyberpunk is punk as fuck.

[Anonymous No.13505110]

>>13505095
Have you got a better suggestion? It seems like all we'd come up with here is "hope-core" or some other bullshit.

[Anonymous No.13505130]

>>13505110
Optimistic literature . . .

[Anonymous No.13505139]

>>13504965
How the fuck is Handmaid's Tale hopepunk?

[Anonymous No.13505142]

>>13505110
Copelit fits better

[Anonymous No.13505189]

>>13505139
Because it's LITERALLY a 100% ACCURATE depiction of womyn LITERALLY

[Anonymous No.13505196]

>>13504831
Fucking baizuo

[Anonymous No.13505198]

>>13504702
What’s the story behind the pic, he the local rhino trapper or something?

[Anonymous No.13505199]

I found an article from the woman who appears to have coined the word going into more detail about it.

Link here: https://festive.ninja/one-atom-of-justice-one-molecule-of-mercy-and-the-empire-of-unsheathed-knives-alexandra-rowland/


For those wondering why it has punk on it, the webster article says this:
"The –punk suffix handed down from cyberpunk into these hints toward the alienation and anti-authoritarian sentiment that is often manifested in the punk subculture. By attaching the suffix to subjects such as hope, kindness, and respect, those subjects—perhaps once considered very much as belonging to the establishment—can be portrayed as instruments of change."


for >>13505139
Another post she wrote on the subject mentions this (link here: https://ariaste.tumblr.com/post/163500138919/ariaste-the-opposite-of-grimdark-is-hopepunk))

"THE HANDMAID’S TALE is arguably hopepunk. It’s scary and dark, and at first glance it looks like grimdark because it’s a dystopia… but goddammit she keeps fighting. That’s the key, right there. She fights every single day, because she won’t let them take away meaning from her life. She survives stubbornly in the hope that one day she can live again. “Don’t let the bastards grind you down,” is one of the core tenets of hopepunk, along with, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” "

[Anonymous No.13505204]

>>13505198
I don't know about him in particular but he is a part of the "La Sape" subculture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Sape

[Anonymous No.13505288]

>>13505199
>For those wondering why it has punk on it, the webster article says this:
>"The –punk suffix handed down from cyberpunk into these hints toward the alienation and anti-authoritarian sentiment that is often manifested in the punk subculture. By attaching the suffix to subjects such as hope, kindness, and respect, those subjects—perhaps once considered very much as belonging to the establishment—can be portrayed as instruments of change."
So the term “hopepunk” is hopepunk?

[Anonymous No.13505296]

>>13505288

[Anonymous No.13505314]

>>13505199
So then it is just anti-authoritarian heroism?

[Anonymous No.13505487]

>>13504702
it's shit including all the YA genres, fucking pleb