/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13483333]

Is it better to have loved and lost or to have never loved at all?

[Anonymous No.13483335]

Not at all.

[Anonymous No.13483356]

>>13483333
nice quads

[Anonymous No.13483358]

>>13483333
better to have never been born at all

[Anonymous No.13483362]

Yes and this extends well beyond love. My life has been empty. No jobs. No opportunity. Nothing. You run out of things to talk about or do. All your old friends leave you.

[Anonymous No.13483380]

>>13483358
Cringeworthy reddit tier bullspit

[Anonymous No.13483389]

>>13483333
The former

[Anonymous No.13483398]

>>13483333
Why do you care about what you lost? Nobody's gonna take away your happy memories.

[Anonymous No.13483437]

After a long enough time they amount to the same thing

[Anonymous No.13483443]

>>13483389
>>13483398
I would argue that it's better to have never loved at all, as I look at love through the same lens as the idea "better to be alone than in bad company". Between the consequences of a romantic relationship falling apart and the consequences of being mostly alone, I will take the consequences of being alone.

[Anonymous No.13483473]

>>13483358
this

[Anonymous No.13483478]

>>13483443
What are the concequences of a relationship falling apart? You crying into the pillow like the little bitch you are? Grow up and learn to appreciate happiness while you have it - it won't last long anyway.

[Anonymous No.13483533]

>>13483333
You have to be a pretty fucking retarded person to lose someone whose in love with you

[Anonymous No.13483583]

>People literally cry their eyes out over losing their partner and in the same breath will reply to this thread saying it's better to not have at all
If this is you, you need to learn to appreciate things while they're there instead of looking at the negative and telling people that the latter is better.

[Anonymous No.13483604]

>>13483333
i loved, now i don't
it hurts way too much.
but is what makes live worth living

[Anonymous No.13483625]

>>13483583
We cry not cuz we loved and lost, but because we were never in love in the first place. We cry because, yet again, we were wrong about the person. We cry cuz, we were so sure, and let our high hopes get the best of us. We had love to give, and it grew exponentially. Now the weight is heavier and the bearing even more unbearable. We cry because we are still waiting for love to come around, and must erase the face that faked the funk

[Anonymous No.13483635]

>>13483335
>>13483358
Why are chantards so averse to experience?

[Anonymous No.13483659]

>>13483635
>all experiences are good

[Anonymous No.13483670]

It's better to have traumas relating to sex and intimacy; finally decide to get into online dating to sublimate them, only to realize using it is making you go through some sort of metamorhposis and are slowly but surely transforming real, thinking and feeling human beings into abstractions slowly being solipsised, and your trauma, allied with heightened sexual desires due to sleeping and eating well for the first time in your life, makes it all the worse.

[Anonymous No.13483674]

>>13483659
I don't think the OP was talking about dysfunctional relationships, anon.

[Anonymous No.13483701]

>>13483674
The only other possibility for losing a loved one is that they died. And even that doesn’t warrant the notion of “lost love”. Real love isn’t like that. Lmao at your “love” life

[Anonymous No.13483702]

>>13483625
cringe. this is some shit I would've said years ago.

Embrace suffering and let it transform you into somethin better.

[Anonymous No.13483705]

>>13483583
I have never had a partner, I just know it can never be worth it. 'To be alone is the fate of all great minds.'

[Anonymous No.13483711]

>>13483670
>It's better to have traumas relating to sex and intimacy
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.13483718]

>>13483705
>I have never had a partner, I just know it can never be worth it.

[Anonymous No.13483721]

>>13483702
>embrace suffering

no thanks

[Anonymous No.13483733]

>>13483702
>Embrace suffering

imagine being this DUMB

[Anonymous No.13483738]

>>13483705
>I just know

That’s not how knowledge works

[Anonymous No.13483741]

Loved and lost. How is this even a question? Love is worth it.

[Anonymous No.13483744]

>>13483333
It doesn't matter. Everything passes.

[Anonymous No.13483747]

>>13483333
It is better to have loved and prospered.

Stay mad

[Anonymous No.13483749]

>>13483741
>Love is worth it
If it can't ruin me, then yes.

[Anonymous No.13483756]

>>13483749
Life will ruin you regardless.

[Anonymous No.13483758]

>>13483358
>>13483744
Based and Blackpilled.

[Anonymous No.13483760]

>>13483358
I audibly said "oooh" after reading that. Ouch

>>13483380
Tough guys belong on >>>/diy/

[Anonymous No.13483776]

>>13483756
At least nothing is personal when the cosmos screws you over.

[The Holy Spirit No.13483778]

It’s better to love and love more forever and respond to anything that stands in your way with absolute annihilation

[Anonymous No.13483783]

>>13483738
>what is theory

[Anonymous No.13483789]

>>13483776
Everything is personal

[Anonymous No.13483797]

>>13483783
Theories
To theorize
Theore

[Anonymous No.13483807]

Like with almost everything its mostly better you have experienced it. otherwise you just talk from the ivory tower. I for example always hated hippies because i was one, too. But i didn´t realize that until i took LSD.

[Anonymous No.13483814]

I'm a KHV (mentalcel) in my late 20s despite being white, 6ft+, and decent face. I don't think I will ever experience love or just a gf. Social autism is a curse. Gid I hate life.

[Anonymous No.13483815]

>>13483358
> *BIRTHS YOU*
> hehe, nothing personnel kid
> just obeying my natural irrational desire

[Anonymous No.13483823]

>>13483358
>>13483815

I’m sorry you hate your mother

[Anonymous No.13483830]

>>13483815
>also snips my foreskin
Thanks mother.

[Anonymous No.13483831]

>>13483807
>>13483702
>>13483635
>>13483604
>>13483583
>>13483398
>>13483389
>>13483380

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLqAFIMgpIU

[Anonymous No.13483846]

>>13483823
Every intelligent male doesn't get along well with his mother.

[Anonymous No.13483854]

>>13483846
>tfw can't get along with mother due to insight.

[Anonymous No.13483861]

>>13483854
My mother despises me for not ending up a Chad like my dad was in his younger days. She gives me shit every day.

[Anonymous No.13483865]

>>13483861
>mom wants me to go out of the house
>i hate her

[Anonymous No.13483900]

>>13483865
Not him, but my teenage years were basically:
>why do you spend so much time at home? You should do something besides using the computer
>start building a social life and going out
>why do you go out so much? Where are you at? Who are you going out with? Come back home this instant!
>go back to the computer

Absent father and overprotective mother is the combo responsible for half the people around here.

[Anonymous No.13483906]

>>13483865
>you become handsome by leaving the house
Besides, I have a construction job so I'm always outside unless it's the middle of winter. Years of failure with women have killed my desire to socialize. I avoid people on purpose at this point. Why even try anymore? My mother still wants to believe I can make it, so when I tell her it's over she lashes out violently. She talks shit about me to her friends and always pretends I don't exist unless someone asks her first. Women are scum.

[Anonymous No.13483908]

>>13483854
What insight

Also, i believe one starts hating mum only if he's been unable to form meaningful relationships with other women in his 20 to 30s, so mum is still the primary object of love (both giving and receiving).. And that feels wrong because at this time in life one should direct one's attention towards a partner instead.. But one's inability to do so (lack of father teaching, lack of personal skills, lack of courage) makes one stagnant and sad.

[Anonymous No.13483911]

>>13483358
Ligotti is a really good writer.

[Anonymous No.13483937]

>>13483911
and a great sense of humor. makes me laugh out loud so much.

[Anonymous No.13483940]

>>13483908
I love my father, but he doesn't teach me shit. He just sips wine and says "go get em tiger". It's odd because he was an army officer involved in major conflicts, saw people die, led some defenses of villages, etc. Yet he can't or won't help me learn shit. He's 21 years older than my mom, idk if that has anything to do with it. They've been married my whole life, great relationship and all that. I'm just the black sheep of my entire extended family. Never stood a chance. My social downfall began in middle school. Fbm.

[Anonymous No.13483942]

>>13483333
Reading this thread made me thankful for being a fucking normal human being

[Anonymous No.13483945]

>>13483846
>>13483854
>>13483861

SEE HOW I KNEW THAT LMAO

[Anonymous No.13483961]

>>13483942
based on your “logic” the people in this thread would be the norm, you being in the minority for being different, but since you are an ass of a thinker, you don’t understand how words work you normie bitch

[Anonymous No.13483966]

>>13483961
Not that anon but I can smell the bitterness from ur words m8

[Anonymous No.13483971]

>>13483961
so thankful

[Anonymous No.13483980]

>>13483966
>>13483971

Salt and pepper on everything

[Anonymous No.13483990]

>>13483942
>>13483971
Kudos. I'm glad when somebody's happy.

[Anonymous No.13484004]

>>13483971
Me too anon. I’m so thankful. I love life and penis

[Anonymous No.13484006]

>>13483908
>she's an Evangelical Zionist Christcuck
>dismisses circumcision as being "just a bit of skin"
I don't like her.

[Anonymous No.13484007]

>>13483358
based Ecclesiastes

[Anonymous No.13484010]

>>13484004
>and penis

[Anonymous No.13484019]

ITT

>deny life
>lose love
>faux happiness
>repressed copers

WEEW

[Anonymous No.13484043]

>>13484019
the idol of many incels
roids + facial surgery have fixed many ugly ass faces

[Anonymous No.13484045]

>>13483721
>>13483733
>plesure good
>suffering bad
by reading philosophy you should be trying to maximise your virtue not enginer a comfy life
pleasure is just as dangerous as suffering you should transcend both

[Anonymous No.13484057]

>>13484045
There's nothing to transcend. Stop. With all these illusions.

[Anonymous No.13484078]

>>13484045
I agree with that, but pleasure and pain do enter into it as basic means of orientation. Of course I can’t rely of my right and left hand for directions, but without them I am without first principles. I believe in total integration. Suffering is a necessary part of life, and so is my absolute stand against it. I will be good and happy. Suffering is an alarm clock, not a call to prayer

[Anonymous No.13484093]

>>13484045
What must be done? It's not like we're on the cusp of some great battle in the Middle Ages. Most of us sit at home jerking off. There is no heroism in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.13484094]

>>13484043

[Anonymous No.13484099]

>>13484093
Speak for yourself coward

[Anonymous No.13484102]

>>13484099
Then tell me, faggot.

[Anonymous No.13484135]

>>13484102
Be good. Stand against evil. Read and rid yourself of ignorance. You can still jerk off - just don’t be a jerk off
>dude life is like totally boring
It’s 2019 you piece of shit, you have access to more than anyone at anytime in the world. Your a coward

[Anonymous No.13484186]

>>13484135
Access to what exactly? Food? Information?

[Anonymous No.13484198]

>>13484186
The means of deployment fucker

[Anonymous No.13484203]

>>13484135
What evil are you talking about, friendo?
Life seems boring exactly because we have easy access to everything. Why read a book by a Russian chad from the 1800s who survived absolute hell and still managed to shit out the greatest literary works ever when you have flashy colorful laser shooting superheroes just a click away?

[Anonymous No.13484229]

>>13484198
Deployment of what?

[Anonymous No.13484231]

>>13483823
Don't hate my mother at all. I can love her and every one of my family members while also understanding that we are all irrational.

[Anonymous No.13484241]

>>13484203
For starters, the evil in yourself that makes it difficult for you to do what’s right. As for your example, I don’t see why you can’t do both. But your inability to coordinate your efforts in order to achieve all of your goals, let alone the capacity to differentiate goods and choose the more greater/heroic path is itself evil and ignorance working on you. You have a long way to go. Your choices as to whether read Gogol or play Resident Evil are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.13484247]

>>13484231
- and should never have been born(?)

[Anonymous No.13484249]

>>13484241
t. just read ride the tiger

You'll leave that phase eventually.

[Anonymous No.13484255]

>>13483437
This

[Anonymous No.13484267]

>>13484241
What IS right? Give examples you raving idiot. You are just spewing generalized shit all over this thread. What is great/heroic? What is the right thing to do? I know you don't know, but at least lets hear what it is in your eyes.

[Anonymous No.13484274]

>>13484249
I’m guessing that’s not a good book lmao

[Anonymous No.13484277]

>>13484247
Yes. There's no reason to hate someone who is following what they were programmed to. Especially if I believe what I believe. Hard to hate anyone anymore as much as I did now that someone convinced me that free will doesn't exist. It's also pointless to worry about what's out of your control regardless of your belief in making choice.

[Anonymous No.13484280]

>>13483380
This

[Anonymous No.13484292]

>>13484267
You think it’s the same thing for everyone, and people just need to cookie cut themselves to this ideal. These are your implications. Heroism starts with doing what’s right. It starts with small things. I’m sure there is someone you owe an apology to, or someone who you’ve been neglecting, or some work you’ve been holding off or something your repressing (like that your a faggot) that you need to come to terms with or excelling and going past your baseline talents toward new personal records. I don’t know what the fuck YOU have to do retard. What’s sad is that YOU don’t know what YOU have to do. Your a coward, so naturally your stupid too

[Anonymous No.13484299]

>>13484277

This is what reading shitty philosophy + beta critical thinking + weak will looks like

[Anonymous No.13484312]

>>13483333
>Love and lost
Brooding, troubled past, has had sex

>Has never loved at all
Incel loser

[Anonymous No.13484316]

>>13484229
The Holy Spirit

[Anonymous No.13484317]

>>13483333
It is best to have experienced it. Atleast then you know you have the possibility. To never have it is to be worthless

[Anonymous No.13484324]

Depends on the love. Love is a game of proportions. The loss can exceed the love, can leave you shattered and in a fireball. The loss can come at the worst time, snared along with a brutal constellation of miseries. The redemptive power of love itself builds us into a shape that can then be broken and never repaired.

[Anonymous No.13484327]

>>13484317

[Anonymous No.13484340]

Yes, simply because you can get over the insecure feeling that you are incapable of getting a gf.

[Anonymous No.13484344]

>>13484299
I don't read philosophy. But if you want to feel justified in hating your mother for reasons that aren't relevant to her actually giving birth to you, then be my guest. I'm not the one wallowing in misery about it. If you want to that has nothing to do with me, and you don't need to reply to me with your pathetic attempt at getting back at me for feeling attacked.
If you don't agree with me move on you blameless faggot.

The only thing weak-willed here is you because you felt so targeted by my post that you had to type this up to feel better. You don't seem like you have any self-control so shut the fuck up about others being weak-willed. Blaming your problems on others and then calling them betas. Cry more you literal bastard.

[Anonymous No.13484350]

True love never dies. All you sorry ass people were curbed and are trying desperately to romanticize it. If you love them, and they love you, that’s for life. If you haven’t experienced this, you haven’t experienced love. Sorry

[Anonymous No.13484357]

>>13484344
nice pic

[Anonymous No.13484366]

>>13483635
Because I've loved and lost and it's the worst feeling in the word, to long for something dead yet infinite in your heart.

[Anonymous No.13484375]

>>13484344
I love my mother and recognize life everyday how amazing it is to be alive as a human being. It can get exhausting, so I make sure to take a nap every now and then. I don’t believe anything is written. I don’t think we are programmed or that we live in a computer. I don’t even think God knows what is gonna happen next. What’s is in your control is all you have to worry about and what’s even better it’s all that matters. Stay mad at your mom

[Anonymous No.13484393]

>>13483906
Unironically go to a therapist.

[Anonymous No.13484403]

>>13484393
And what will that achieve? I'm not taking SSRIs. I will accept my fate if need be.

[Anonymous No.13484416]

>>13484403
Well, it has helped me for instance. Go to a therapist and read one of those books like The Manual. For those of us who aren't naturals there's only work to be done and issues to solve. Try it while you're still young and can fix your life.

[Anonymous No.13484445]

>>13484375
That's fine. I don't mind you believing the opposite of me. Not sure what the problem is if all that results in me not believing in free will is understanding. I'm less stressed trying to figure out why I and many other people can be irrational. It's a great explanation for me and it puts me at ease knowing that this might be why.
Disgusting behavior doesn't affect me as much as it used to and that's something that has helped me a lot.

I'm guessing you think that in not believing in free will that I'm a lazy slob that sits in the house all day? That's not the case. Or at least that's what I'm trying to fix. I've gotten into reading books, exercising, learning a new language, etc. while also being a determinist. So if that's what annoyed you, then you don't have to worry about that at all.

[Anonymous No.13484453]

>>13484416
But I'm ugly as sin. How will advice help?

[Anonymous No.13484457]

>>13484292
>Your stupid

[Anonymous No.13484480]

>>13484453
The look advices are in those books. Basic shit like dress well, shower, smell good, smile, be in shape, etc. You're not going to suddenly land a top model (you don't want those anyway) but a qtpie is doable and within an average man's reach. It's easier to say "fuck it I'm a loser I always will be, it's them not me" than to actually put the work it requires if you're not a natural.

[Anonymous No.13484483]

>>13484453
Holy shit being ugly fucking sucks man. I keep being optomistic and this shit just sucks my soul out periodically. There isn't much anyone can do and no one who is outside of it will ever understand. Not the other guy but good luck man. It's something that can only be overcome by understanding it's out of your control, therefore not worth worrying about. But even then it creeps up on you. Every time I'm feeling optimistic I swear someone is there to remind me of my place and tell me directly to my face that I'm ugly, ESPECIALLY when I'm visibly happy. My cousins do this a lot and they only do it to me.

All I can say is, good luck brother. It helps knowing there are others dealing with it. It's probably something that comes with time.

[Anonymous No.13484491]

>>13484453
How ugly are you? Low self-esteem can sometimes deceive oneself and distort the reality. In any case, there's always room for improvement.

[Anonymous No.13484497]

Meant >>13484491 for >>13484483

[Anonymous No.13484499]

>>13483333
To have loved and lost. Because you at least experienced it to have an opinion on it.

[Anonymous No.13484515]

>>13484491
I wouldn't have low self-esteem if my family/friends didn't always insult how I look. I'm going to the gym though and my esteem has been going up a lot. There is a lot of improvement to be made though, but that's being saved for when I have the money to prop up something that could improve my situation.

[Anonymous No.13484543]

>>13484491
Asymmetrical face, one ear is bigger than the other, lazy eye, balding, fat Slav round head despite being slim, shit smile genetics, fat nigga lips, one eyebrow is like 5cm higher than the other, some more that I can't think of atm

[Anonymous No.13484623]

>>13484543
Surely you're exaggerating

[Anonymous No.13484631]

>>13484623
lol nope

[Anonymous No.13484632]

>>13484350
This

[Anonymous No.13484637]

>>13484543
souds like Jeff Bezos minus the nigger lips

[Anonymous No.13484682]

>>13484445
Glad to hear anon. it just sounded like “I hate my mom, I shouldn’t have been bored, we are all programmed and determined, I found a way to cope with irrationality”. I don’t care if you’re a determinist or not, just don’t be a fucking lame ass. If you don’t like life, remember you’re saying that about your life. Don’t apply that to life in general and then preach nihilism or else I will get on your case

[Anonymous No.13484695]

>>13484682
>it just sounded like “I hate my mom, I shouldn’t have been bored
Not sure how you even got that from anything I said. Since I said the opposite. I literally said I love my mom but I can still love her while also believing that there is no free will, which gives me even more reason not to blame or hate her.

???

[Anonymous No.13484717]

>>13484682
>>13484695
Oh you thought I was the original guy. I forgot to clarify that I was someone else. I thought it would be obvious since I mentioned that I loved my mother. I was chiming in on the idea that I believe what they do while also loving my mother.

[Anonymous No.13485147]

>>13484457

[Anonymous No.13485156]

>>13484483
>Every time I'm feeling optimistic I swear someone is there to remind me of my place and tell me directly to my face that I'm ugly, ESPECIALLY when I'm visibly happy. My cousins do this a lot and they only do it to me.
beat the shit out of them and they will never remind you again

[Anonymous No.13486007]

>>13484483
you know, i'm gonna tell you.
I'm ugly, i really am.
But in this live i've learned some secrets, of how to "mask" your uglyness.
First, start with your body, if you're ugly and fat, forget about it, but a fit body can get you women just by itself. So, get fit, it even will make you feel superior, self steem and shit.

Then consider your overall image. As an ugly dude, you can't go with the "anime/korean/asian" style, neither nice/sweet guy, or anything that requires being good looking. Being ugly left you with one option: Being a bad motherfucker. So, get yourself some normie clothes, according to your new image (track suits, sport clothing, etc).
Now, a good body, and a bad motherfucker, the only thing left is not screwing things up, just play it cool, be relaxed, hide the autism.
Follow those steps and as an ugly motherfucker you'll make it.
Just take a look near you, and see how many ugly fuckers are getting laid with those tips.

[Anonymous No.13486035]

>>13485147
lol

[Anonymous No.13486050]

>>13486007
I believe you, brother. I've been going to the gym consistently the past 3 months. Problem is even when I get good fitting clothes, I have no idea how/where to approach women at all.

[Anonymous No.13486201]

Dont be pussies. Love with your whole heart, and when its shattered put it back together again and repeat the process until its and indestructible mass of scar tissue or you find someone who wont break your heart.

[Anonymous No.13486725]

>>13483533
Shut the fuck up ;_;

[Anonymous No.13486823]

>>13483333
The latter. In the former case, you are missing out and you know exactly what you are missing out, which makes it even worse.

[Anonymous No.13486874]

Depends, if you're a self-destructive person with a weak will, it's definitely better to never have loved. Losing it will absolutely destroy you. But if you have a strong will, loving and losing will just give you the knowledge that there are truly beautiful things in this life to experience, and that you can definitely experience something equally great again. It will never feel exactly the same, but it will be just as enjoyable. Sure enough it will hurt like a motherfucker, but there's a price you need to pay for everything

People who try to apply either one to everyone are clueless

[Anonymous No.13487888]

>>13486007
Based

[Anonymous No.13488037]

>>13484007
Out of context

[Anonymous No.13489158]

>>13483333
Yes. Even immediately after a breakup this is obvious.
>>13483583
>If this is you, you need to learn to appreciate things while they're there instead of looking at the negative and telling people that the latter is better.
correct

>>13483625
Sad projection. You love an idealized objectified fetish that you mistook for another human.

[Anonymous No.13489773]

>>13483333
missing when btc was at 0.01.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmPg4V-YE0k&list=LLKBJeq9FE0Qy9pwr_zRLtcA&index=7&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrikj7fy4MU&t=27s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF9m5HXpMV0

[Anonymous No.13489779]

>>13483333
it doesn't matter, as no one can experience both. either you will have loved and lost, or you will have never loved at all.
nice quads