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You're going to have to face it, /lit/, the sciences have totally eclipsed philosophy.

The most important philosophic question, the investigation into consciousness, is being undertaken by scientists. These aren't the old, one-dimensional materialists of the 20th century either. These are some of the most sophisticated minds of the modern world, and they explicate an intricate materialism that is so soundly proven as to be an axiom.

Philosophy has nothing to offer and as the years go by it will continue to diminish as the realm to which it lay claim as sole proprietor, the Subjective, is more and more easily investigated Objectively thanks to the marriage of modern technology and calculations.

My advice is to start learning this stuff now.

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>> No.13477267

>>13477234
People who think this genuinely don't understand what philosophy is

>> No.13477446

>>13477257
how does that picture dispute materialism at all?
>>13477267
what is philosophy to you then?

>> No.13477456

People can think really deeply about a lot of things and still be wrong

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>>13477234
brains use rules to construct our perceptions. these rules are not parts of our perception, so we can never be sure of what rules are actually at play, behind the scenes.

because these rules are used to solve problems, that is, because they screen for one kind of data and block out the rest, the brain is always making up problems because that is its evolutionary job.

this is what hegel was talking about, we can never just perceive something as it is, it is always referring to some kind of environment/context because it is part of its environment like the brain is

because the brain is so complex, it needs this thing called an "I" to pick up the slack and kind of receive and deal with its content that it couldn't if it was just a machine "running in the dark"

so human consciousness is an effect of a biological limitation. if we get rid of this biological limitation, like through AI, then we get rid of what makes us human.

for derrida, what is inside something is always what is frustrating its identity with itself. a rock just fucking is, a human being never "just is", he is evolving because there is an awareness inside him

either we remain still or let ourselves fall down thought's rabbit hole.

accelerationism is the enemy. or, an enemy.

because we're always "in front of" of our programming, then it's very easy to become enslaved to that programming, and what's worse, to become that program's sock puppet

we're being enslaved to the prefrontal lobe and the way it forces us to always engage, always reflexively think about the world, which makes us want to manipulate it and stand above it

the only way out is refusing to let that program assert itself.

christ is the exemplar of that: he affirms human interiority as human interiority, not as a step to the Next Big Thing, by his love humanity is saved from becoming just another video on God's trending tab, here today, gone tomorrow

if you want to pursue the Moloch God-AI, then be my guest, it'll just kill everything we know and love (like we're seeing now)

the rest is fairly straightforward. and if you want a recommendation, pic related

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>measuring an immaterial thing
The cartesian bias of the measurability of every thing in the world ruins the pretention of the author by making it impossible.
False ground = false conclusion.

>> No.13477714

>>13477487
>if we get rid of this biological limitation, like through AI, then we get rid of what makes us human.
Why can't it be just a thing that coincidental results and will be present in AI? Except AI might be able to have a hundred concurrent consciousnesses, breaking the perception of a singular linear time.

>> No.13478347

>>13477267
People who say this genuinely don't understand what science is

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hmmm

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hmmmm

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hmmmmm

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It's true, and indisputable.

They must understand that it is for their own good. We, the collective informal cabal of Anglo-Saxon, analytically oriented STEM warriors, do not mean to strip the meaning from life for you pitiful European fairy tale lovers. Your hatred and rejection of reductive materialism lies purely in a basal fear that once everything is understood, the human condition will reveal itself to be nothing more than a deterministic heap of physical interactions. It is perfectly natural for the feeble to fear such powerful knowledge.

Rest assured, however; human understanding of the physical processes of the human mind will remain incomprehensible to all but a few incredibly high IQ Englishmen and Americans. You will be free to continue living in a world of blissful ignorance, of meaning and virtue, God and justice, dualism... and other such delusions.

Just know one thing. If you get in our way... we WILL end you.

>> No.13478513

>>13478494

I fully support the rhetorical conceit of this post despite sensing that its author does not have the education to back it up.

>> No.13478514

>>13478421
>>13478427
>>13478441
but all of these are just over-emotional hissyfits devoid of any point of critique (except for the last one). But even that one totally misrepresents the paradigms of modern science and ultimately seems like it stems from the frustrated cries of an autodidact who has no real contact with academia; otherwise they would understand that tons of neuroscientists, neurobiologists, and physicists are very well-versed in philosophy and have been sure to ground their paradigms in logically coherent axioms.

sorry, but with each post you just prove how little you understand the current state of scientific inquiry

>> No.13478516

>>13478494
based seeleposter

>> No.13478520

>>13478514
>otherwise they would understand that tons of neuroscientists, neurobiologists, and physicists are very well-versed in philosophy
lol name one

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>>13477234
Natural philosophy gave rise to all science. Philosophy necessarily exists on the peripheral because it keeps inventing disciplines which divide off from it to be focused on exclusively while philosophy itself continues to explore things that aren't necessarily falsifiable.

>> No.13478547

>>13478520
Max Tegmark, Roger Penrose, Gerald Edelman, Anil Seth, Lawrence Krauss

what do I win?

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>> No.13478551

>>13478547
all of them are hacks who didn't explain what consciousness is and employed sophistry to sell their books.

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>>13478494
>>13478549
Oh Shinji, you should pick me. Even though a sexual relationship with me would be pedophilic in nature, we can have HOT /ss/ sex together.

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>>13478580
No Shinji, you should pick me. Even thought I'm a clone of your mom and therefore our relationship would be quasi-incestuous, do remember that I let you cop a feel without even blinking an eye. I would let you do ANYTHING to me Shinji, ANYTHING.

>> No.13478585

>>13478494
Sick post. Love it

>> No.13478587

>>13478347
Not scientifically proven

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>>13478584
NNNOOOOOOOOOO, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEX WITH ME SHINJI, EVE THOUGHT I'M AN ABUSIVE, PSYCHOTIC, UNLIKABLE, UGLY, ANNOYING, DUMB BITCH WHO WILL PROBABLY CHEAT ON YOU WITH KAJI AN-

>> No.13478598

>>13478551
the only hack-y one would be Krauss, and I threw him in there just for fun really.

but to dismiss Penrose, Tegmark, and Edelman as "hacks" really just condemns you as a dilettante thrashing against the scientific positions that you hate with such vitriolic passion, but I am beginning to suspect you don't even have a concrete idea of what those are. just some vague concept of "materialism" that can be parodied and safely shrugged away

throughout this whole thread that is the pattern. dismissal and an affected place of superior reasoning that is never backed up.

this is why scientists are succeeding while the humanities are floundering.

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>>13478591
*BRAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*
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Uh, I think I did poopies in the tub

>> No.13478602

>>13478494
Why only Englishmen and Americans? What about the Germans?

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>>13478600
UGH WHAT THE FUCK ASUKA?!

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>>13478600
>>13478605
Quality contribution as always, cheers.

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>>13478602

The Germans initially showed promise. Frege did his part in splintering the pathetic continental tradition to allow us to take control of most philosophy departments globally.

But the crimes of the German nation in producing Hegel and, curse be on his name, Heid*gger, could not be forgotten. It became clear that their continued involvement would only undermine the project.

>> No.13478740

>>13477234
>The most important philosophic question, the investigation into consciousness, is being undertaken by scientists
So stil no answer to what consciousness is?

>> No.13478748

>>13478740
An evolutionary adaptation that only seems special to you because you're just a dumb ape

>> No.13478751

>>13478427
Math is /lit/ though. STEM is such a stupid acronym, theoretical physicists and mathematicians are not comparable to engineers and 'I like bideo james' CStards.

>> No.13478767

>>13478748
So you have already found an answer I see, why do we need scientists when we have you.

>> No.13478770

>>13478767
To refine the notion, of course. But fundamentally how narcissistic is it to think that human consciousness has any meaning whatsoever?? I mean just lol, lolololol.

>> No.13478778

>>13478770
Who said anything about meaning

>> No.13478803

Consciousness was already solved by the Interaction Paradox/P-Zombie Paradox.

>> No.13478814

>>13477234
>The most important philosophic question, the investigation into consciousness
Who said this?

>> No.13478833

>>13478803
isnt P-zombie and NPC the same thing

>> No.13478837

>>13478833
It's impossible to know if somebody is a p-zombie(and this is why consciousness must be physical).

>> No.13478891

>>13478837

There are no such things as p-zombies, the idea makes no sense. Stop PRETENDING QUALIA IS A THING, IT'S NOT A THING