/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13458594]

What are some good books about world war 1?

[Kierkegaard No.13458636]

>>13458594
lmao

[Anonymous No.13458640]

>>13458594
Storm of Steel.

[Anonymous No.13458646]

>>13458594
The magic mountain by mann

[Anonymous No.13458655]

>>13458594
>99% of soldiers who participated in ww1 say it was hell on earth etc etc
>literally one guy says it was alright

DUDE WAR IS BASED AND EPIC

[Anonymous No.13458671]

>>13458594
I thought Fear by Gabriel Chevallier was good.

[Anonymous No.13458677]

>>13458655
>wrote literature detailing the horrors of war, yet still honoured the bravery and sacrifice the soldiers
At least read the meme you fucking subhuman.

[Anonymous No.13458687]

>>13458655
lol junger doesn't glorify war, he's just not the anti-nationalist bitch the powers that be push like Remarque.

[Anonymous No.13458726]

The War that Ended Peace
It's dry but very informative

[Anonymous No.13458730]

>>13458677
>>13458687
I've read it, but people here use it to push a narrative of war being awesome and lots of fun for some reason

[Anonymous No.13458744]

>>13458730
It's more of a reaction to the ultra-woe is me depictions that spend a book bitching about themselves.

[Anonymous No.13458828]

In Parenthesis by David Jones, a beautiful little semi-autobiographic epic of prose-poetry that draws on his experience serving in a unit that was a 50-50 split between English and Welshmen which plays out in the poem as a mixing together of the harsh realities of WW1 with bits of Welsh mythology.

[Anonymous No.13459357]

>>13458594
Goodbye To All That

[Anonymous No.13460647]

>>13458730
brainlet tier lol

[Anonymous No.13460648]

>>13458594
The Great War and Modern Memory

[Anonymous No.13460676]

>>13458828
>prose-poetry

[Anonymous No.13460850]

>>13459357
Was going to write that before I scrolled down. The Enormous Room by e.e. cummings is based on his experience being detained by the French as a suspected spy. Like many American writers he volunteered as an ambulance driver.

[Anonymous No.13460875]

Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence

[Anonymous No.13460883]

>>13458677
>"...the bravery and sacrifice [of] the soldiers."

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

[Anonymous No.13460889]

>>13458730
Nobody does that, get out of your liberal bubble little soiman.

[Anonymous No.13460934]

>>13458594
All Quiet On The Western Front

[Anonymous No.13460990]

>>13458655
Not true. Even many of the Brits and French are recorded as saying it was the best time of their lives.
Part of the reason for the anti-war books being dominant is that they fit a particular liberal narrative. And rather than discussing the legal and political ramifications of the conflict it is convenient to simply unload these through individual horrors. They are essentially a form of sacrifice, knowing that war is in opposition to liberal values but at the same time necessary for upholding its very legal and ideological foundation. The extent of the absolution must equal the violence of the war, hence the almost absurd nature of some of the anti-war works.
As well, one should not confuse the writings of a soldier attempting to work through trauma as an overall condemnation of warfare. Perhaps it is simply paying tribute to the dead. This would also be an element contributing to the anti-war mentality, because at the time people at home refused to believe what they heard about the front, even calling their own sons delusional. This is unnatural and creates a void between the citizenry and its military, to which an increase of tension will rise. No doubt much of the anti-war culture exists within this conflict.
>>13460889
They certainly do, it's the subject of almost all Junger threads. And the people doing this certainly aren't doing him any favors by reducing the writing to such banality.

[Anonymous No.13461009]

>>13458594
War Horse

[Anonymous No.13461025]

>>13460648
Why is it good?

[Anonymous No.13461027]

>>13460990
You talk like you understand conservatism and liberalism, even culture, but I'm not at all convinced you can even read. Tribute to the dead? How old are you? I've got that weird, eerie sense of "why do you have the opinions of a child but the speech" that you get when talking to reactionaries who never grew into or read well enough to understand conservatism. What is it that drives you? I'll never know, you couldn't word it well enough, of course; it's a rhetorical gesture.

[Anonymous No.13461030]

>>13460990
You should be ashamed of yourself for being so retarded, desu

[Anonymous No.13461160]

>>13458594
remarque's german last name was Kramer, he just switched the order and made the K into a gay que.

[Anonymous No.13461533]

>>13458594
All quiet on the western front.

>>13461027
War is good for society, it's the purging of the meek. The best society and best life isn't one without conflict. It's good to flush everyone once in a while

[Anonymous No.13461552]

>>13460883
based owenposter

[Anonymous No.13461578]

>>13461533
>it's the purging of the meek
That might be the single most cucked statement I've ever read. Wow. You're posting on a literature board. What, do you think you're gonna ride a horse and go fight in the fucking Franco-Prussian war? You seem to know as much about politics as you do about war, so I'll illuminate what your extra chromosome has obscured within you:
You are not a knight. You're also not a "hotblooded warrior from the tribal, nomadic times." You are the modern pleb, just like everyone else. Elon Musk is a rich pleb. Do you know why you're a pleb? Because aristocracy has become automated, and the nearest position to "elite" is just a glorified janitor. Now, creature comforts are nice, everyone likes high views and nice wine, and every pleb has their panem, even the educated plebs, but this doesn't amount to eudaimonia, and as Adorno put it, it's not even leisure.
You're so... FAR from yourself, I wonder if you even see a reflection in the mirror, I wonder if the vampiric naivety of things is all that you can see, or perhaps all that can see itself.

[Anonymous No.13461590]

>>13461533
>War is good for society, it's the purging of the meek.
But the meek shall inherit the earth...your logic seems a bit faulty.

[Anonymous No.13461597]

>>13461578
The aristocracy didn't understand reality more than we do, it's pretty clear based on how they all disagree with each other and are constantly expressing serious doubts about everything.

[Anonymous No.13461601]

>>13461597
What?

[Anonymous No.13461604]

>>13460883

LARPing chickenhawks eternally BTFO'd
(ty for posting my favorite poem after The Second Coming anon)

[Anonymous No.13461609]

>>13461597
I don't care; they're dead, what would it matter if they could? We'd need a modernist to "don the garments" for us, and even then he'd be ignored.

[Anonymous No.13461615]

>>13461604
It's a small recompense, you're welcome.

[Anonymous No.13461617]

>>13460883
>Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
>As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
Maybe it's just because this poem and its imagery are so well-known but as soon as I read
>Gas! GAS!
this image already began forming in my head. How can bellicose frontsoldat LARPers even compete?

[Anonymous No.13461628]

>>13458655
>who are the freikorps?

[Anonymous No.13462130]

>>13461578
Okey dokey. Enjoy trying to support literally as many people at all with no filter.

[Anonymous No.13462146]

>>13460676
dumb frogposter

[Anonymous No.13462274]

Best one-volume history of WWI, but still quite on the long side to get all the autistic details you need AND being written by a German and written far enough in the future he doesn't show much bias either way.

If you want to leave the Anglosphere-version of history, this is it. That said I hear Churchill's history if quite good but most people can't be assed to read 6 volumes of it

[Anonymous No.13462329]

>>13462130
There's no relevance to what you or anyone else thinks, politics has been universalised for almost a century: it's purely descriptive.

[Anonymous No.13463176]

>>13461030
What's retarded?
>>13461027
I'm sure I I understand these things much better than you. If you don't understand that a soldier may have to reconcile seeing people die horrifically then you're simply not even human.
I'm not a reactionary, and you used a lot of words to say nothing at all. But go ahead and tell me about conservatism.

[Anonymous No.13463213]

>>13461604
Yes, totally BTFO by a fag who hated his troops, only fought a few months, and had a clear bias to document the horrors alone.
He is the epitome of the Anglo authority which was responsible for most of the horror in the first place.

[Anonymous No.13463531]

>>13461578
That might be the single most cucked statement I've ever read. Wow. You're posting on a literature board. What, do you think you're gonna ride a horse and go fight in the fucking Franco-Prussian war? You seem to know as much about politics as you do about war, so I'll illuminate what your extra chromosome has obscured within you:
You are not a knight. You're also not a "hotblooded warrior from the tribal, nomadic times." You are the modern pleb, just like everyone else. Elon Musk is a rich pleb. Do you know why you're a pleb? Because aristocracy has become automated, and the nearest position to "elite" is just a glorified janitor. Now, creature comforts are nice, everyone likes high views and nice wine, and every pleb has their panem, even the educated plebs, but this doesn't amount to eudaimonia, and as Adorno put it, it's not even leisure.
You're so... FAR from yourself, I wonder if you even see a reflection in the mirror, I wonder if the vampiric naivety of things is all that you can see, or perhaps all that can see itself.

[Anonymous No.13463589]

[Anonymous No.13464702]

>>13461027
Why are chapofags so overconfident in their retardation?

[Anonymous No.13464817]

>>13460883
>homosexual who wrote anti-war poems solely because his one-sided object of obsession the jewish Sassoon wrote anti-war poems
Cool story brah

[Anonymous No.13465025]

>>13458655
>>99% of soldiers who participated in ww1 say it was hell on earth etc etc
Evidence?
One would expect significantly more mutinies if that were actually the case, I think.
I would suspect that the majority saw it as their duty they had to carry out for their country, and they may not have liked it but took the burden anyway, which puts Remarque as the outlier.
Especially what happens after the war seems to confirm that, Veterans joined the Freikorps and no significant anti-war movements arose.

I also don't think the point was that it was "alright".

[Anonymous No.13465049]

>>13460883
What's the point?
Poison gas is bad, oh fucking WOW what a realization.

[Anonymous No.13466097]

>>13460883
Absolute weak willed, limp wristed, meme tier poem

[Anonymous No.13466102]

>>13461027
>implying left wing University/College students and other similar types arent the poorest educated and most conditioned along with having a poor political knowledge other than 'fuck trump'

[Anonymous No.13466108]

>>13461578
That might be the single most cucked statement I've ever read. Wow. You're posting on a literature board. What, do you think you're gonna ride a horse and go fight in the fucking Franco-Prussian war? You seem to know as much about politics as you do about war, so I'll illuminate what your extra chromosome has obscured within you:
You are not a knight. You're also not a "hotblooded warrior from the tribal, nomadic times." You are the modern pleb, just like everyone else. Elon Musk is a rich pleb. Do you know why you're a pleb? Because aristocracy has become automated, and the nearest position to "elite" is just a glorified janitor. Now, creature comforts are nice, everyone likes high views and nice wine, and every pleb has their panem, even the educated plebs, but this doesn't amount to eudaimonia, and as Adorno put it, it's not even leisure.
You're so... FAR from yourself, I wonder if you even see a reflection in the mirror, I wonder if the vampiric naivety of things is all that you can see, or perhaps all that can see itself.

[Anonymous No.13466151]

ITT: