/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13438956]

Over the past 2 years I have almost exclusively read Wittgenstein and Wittgenstein related lit, partly due to school, but also partly to appease my inner autist. Currently though, I'm feeling as though I'm stuck in a rut and am wanting to widen my horizons a bit. What are some good continental, or at the very least, non-ordinary language philosophy books I could read about the philosophy of language?

[Anonymous No.13439049]

literally Wittgenstein is the only interesting philosopher of language (and Frege if he counts). Have you read people like Austin, Searle? They're boring as fuck. And most continental writers (at least 20th century ones) wrote nonsense. Just learn logic /math so you can read the interesting and rigorous stuff like Chomsky's linguistic work and information theory.

[Anonymous No.13439061]

>>13438956
How hard was it to teach yourself the tractatus?

[Anonymous No.13439063]

>>13439049
cringe

[Anonymous No.13439089]

>>13439049
I've read Austin and Searle and didn't find them particularly boring, at least in comparison to Wittgenstein. I'll consider reading Chomsky though.

[Anonymous No.13439098]

>>13438956
Read Cervantez

[Anonymous No.13439102]

>>13439098
Not even how it's spelled, retard.

[Anonymous No.13439116]

>>13438956
Heidegger.
That’s another lifetime of work there.

Start with Metaphysics Foundatioms of Logic, History of the Concept of Time and the Basic Problems of Phenomenology
Then, do Being and Time.
Check out Dreyfous’ MIT lecture on Heidegger available on Open Culture and maybe from there Essay’s After Heidegger and Gadamer’s Heidegger’s ways.

>>13439049
Absolute cringe

[Anonymous No.13439210]

>>13439116
pic related is the only Heidegger I have at the moment, worth a read?

[Anonymous No.13439224]

derrida

[Anonymous No.13439255]

>>13438956
Wittgenstein hardly wrote anything. Either you were reading very slowly or most of those two years were devoted to the Wittgenstein related lit.

[Anonymous No.13439267]

>>13439255
he literally posted his wittgenstein stack you retard.
>well, just read PI cover to cover, guess I can move on now.
fucking hell mate

[Anonymous No.13439282]

>>13439267
I see 15 books in that stack, several of which are thin.

[Anonymous No.13439290]

>>13438956

Heidegger.

Being and Time.

He was Wittgenstein's Mentor.

Better than him, too.

[Anonymous No.13439456]

>>13438956
Ugh, I don't think Wittgenstein wrote in English. Looks like you haven't read any thing he ever wrote!! LMAO

[Anonymous No.13440268]

>>13439255
>>13439282
not ashamed to admit it took basically half a year just for me to finish and fully understand Kripke's commentary on W. Slow reader in general I guess.

[Anonymous No.13440294]

>>13439290
Lol what? Do you mean Godamer?
Witt's mentor was frege and russel particularly and Moore a bit. You should read Wittgenstein's Vienna

[Anonymous No.13440307]

>>13439116
Heidegger is the most cringe philosopher lmao stay mad you don't know any math or logic so have to settle for that junk

[Anonymous No.13440332]

>>13439049

Based but Chomsky is a fag

OP don't listen to these people telling you to read Heidegger, please don't read Heidegger

[Anonymous No.13440334]

>>13438956

Did you read Wittgenstein-core fiction like Wittgenstein's Mistress, and Wittgenstein's Nephew?

[Anonymous No.13440421]

>>13438956
I can't comprehend the amount of time and literature that is dedicated to this autist. He is perhaps the most overrated thinker ever. He even disowned his own work.

If you were as rich as he was and had private tutors payed for by daddy and could show up at Oxford and yell at people without consequence you would've made just as big an impact on philosophy. And now cucks are stuck reading his autistic bipolar writing like it's the cure to cancer. The absolute state of the world.

[Anonymous No.13440593]

>>13440334
no, but I read a bit of DFW's Broom of the System, didn't much care for it. Thinking about reading The World As I Found it too.

[Anonymous No.13440626]

>>13438956
There are some really great books on Wittgenstein in German, learn German.

[Anonymous No.13440642]

>>13438956
What do you think of Suba Hibi? The visual novel that was inspired by the Tractatus

[Anonymous No.13440655]

>>13440642
Haven't read it and probably won't, not really much of a weeb, but to each their own

[Anonymous No.13440674]

whats the best tractatus secondary

[Anonymous No.13440685]

Read Guenon on symbolism / the nature of the symbol

that would be a pretty radically divergent approach to language

[Anonymous No.13440689]

>Remarks on the Foundations of Mathematics
If a philosopher can write volumes on math, only for mathematicians to dismiss it entirely and criticize it for correctness, then what again is the point?

[Anonymous No.13440698]

>>13440268
Do you even quaddition?

[Anonymous No.13440720]

>>13440689
>then what again is the point?
idk, I personally bought it just to see why he couldn't accurately understand Godel's theorems, i.e. to see what points in his general methodology led him to faulty outlooks/conclusions, then carrying that close analysis of his methodology to other areas of his work. Beyond Wittgenstein scholars it is admittedly basically worthless.

[Anonymous No.13440738]

>>13440674
Roger White's Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus

[Anonymous No.13440765]

>>13438956
Is Kripke on W good? I can't find a reasonably priced copy around here and got less fixated on this topic in the last couple years

[Anonymous No.13440785]

>>13438956
hey op, check out vygostky and luria for understanding language acquisition. Piaget is a pretty well known name but I think he's a charlatan.

[Anonymous No.13440823]

>>13438956
If you're looking for something a little different, this is a 500-page elucidation and interpretation of Wittgenstein's remarks on philosophical thanatology and solipsism in the Tractatus. It comes to some pretty startling conclusions about death and the self while using certain obscure problems in the philosophy of dreaming to draw out the nature of the problems under consideration. It is written by someone steeped both in the analytic and continental traditions and, in addition, has some interesting things to say about the nature of philosophy itself. Perfect for someone already familiar with Wittgenstein and looking for something different.

[Anonymous No.13440944]

>>13440823
definitely will check this one out, thx

[Anonymous No.13440968]

>>13440268
Nothing wrong with being a slow reader. I was just bustin' your balls.

[Anonymous No.13441011]

Was it worth it ? What are some of the important impacts it’s had on your life ?

[Anonymous No.13441026]

OP you are the man I've been waiting for. Please tell me about the late-era Wittgenstein's philosophy of Mathematics. Is it pure critique or does he posit a coherent theory of his own? What are the implications of mathematical statements not being propositions?

[Anonymous No.13441046]

>>13439210
Yes, it may remind you of Late Witty. Also, a Dialogue on Language may be interesting as a supplemental piece. I'd say to follow up this reading with John Sallis commentary, as Heidegger can be nebulous.

[Anonymous No.13441554]

>>13438956
Read Heidegger and Gadamer.

[Anonymous No.13441557]

>>13439210
Absolutely!

[Kierkegaard No.13441568]

>>13438956
>>13438956
Why would you read anything else besides Wittgenstein? He's the greatest philosopher the 20th Century.

[Anonymous No.13442156]

Who are some philosophers who combine mathematics and philosophy?

[Anonymous No.13442164]

>>13442156
any philosophy of mathematics
and Badiou

[Anonymous No.13442267]

>>13442156
Frege, Wittgenstein, Mario Bunge, Quine -- pretty much any real philosopher. Any 'philosopher' who doesn't know any math is usually closer to a literary critic or historian than a philosopher -- which is fine, but just call them by their right name.