/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13421785]

How would /lit/ rank the arts? (Literature, Film, Music, Sculpture, Architecture, Painting and Performance Art).

[Anonymous No.13421807]

>1. whale song
>2. home movies from broken families
>3. Herdy gerdy photography
>4. Flash fiction
>5. ARGs

[Anonymous No.13421854]

>God Tier
Video games
Animation

>High Tier
Music
Painting
Sculpture
Architecture
Film

>Mid Tier
Theater
Novellas
Short Stories
Television
Photography

>Low Tier
Novels
Interior design
Conceptual art
Poetry
Graphic design

>Shit Tier
Ceramics
Cuisine
Glassware
Comics
Woodworking
Dance
Calligraphy
Printmaking
Jewelry
Flash Fiction
Fretwork
Metal work
Ivory Carving

[Anonymous No.13421872]

>>13421854
t. weeb

[Anonymous No.13421874]

>>13421785
actual magic tier:
Music

high tier:
poetry
architecture
danse

mid tier:
sculpture
painting
novels

low tier:
film

[Anonymous No.13422022]

Music > Architecture > Performance Art > Painting > Literature > Video Games > Sculpture > Film

[Anonymous No.13422038]

All equally inconsequential.

Why are you wasting your time on lit when you could be developing the next refrigerator or next vaccine?

[Anonymous No.13422046]

>>13422038
Why are you wasting your time on lit?

[Anonymous No.13422048]

>>13422038
>developing the next refrigerator

gtfo Scaruffi

[Anonymous No.13422094]

Are people rating architecture so highly now because they've just started looking into it and want to seem cultured or is it actually an art form that exceeds the expressive capabilities/can deliver something greater than literature, music and film can?

[Anonymous No.13422119]

>>13422094
Because status

[Anonymous No.13422136]

>>13422094
I don't know much about architecture I rated it so hihgly just because of the subjective experience of awe it gives me being so strong.

[Anonymous No.13422148]

>>13422136
fair enough

[Anonymous No.13422450]

>>13421785
1. Literature
1. Film
2. Music
4. Painting
5. Sculpture
6. Performance Art
7. Architecture

[Anonymous No.13422460]

If your top 2 isn't music and literature, you're a fucking dilettante

[Anonymous No.13422473]

>>13421785
Out of these? Just literature. The rest are all performing arts except for music and film which are not arts.

[Anonymous No.13422476]

>>13422473
>which are not arts

[Anonymous No.13422477]

Music absolutely must be either first or last.

[Anonymous No.13422480]

>>13422476
Did you draw this?

[Anonymous No.13422485]

1. Literature
2. Music, Architecture
3. Sculpture, Painting
4. Film
5. Performance Art

[Anonymous No.13422488]

>>13422480
yeah it's my autoportrait what do you think

[Anonymous No.13422495]

>>13422477
Explain the logic behind that statement.

[Anonymous No.13422530]

>>13422460
There is no reason for music to be first. muh feels or muh purity aren't reasons

[Anonymous No.13422967]

>>13422473
>architecture is a performance art
>music is not art
You’re baiting right?

[Anonymous No.13422989]

Best is literature worst is film.

I think even the best filmmakers would agree (such as Fellini, Tarkovsky or Bergman) that they are inferior to the greatest writers.

[Anonymous No.13423021]

>>13422530
Music is both the most and least human of all the art forms. It has been a part of every culture so it is a vital part of the human experience but it is also completely abstract and unexplainable. Music also stimulates the brain in ways very few things do and can help with many things including memory and creativity. Also if you think music is purely based on emotion you should check out 20th century classical music.

[Anonymous No.13423029]

>>13421854
>video games
>art
Video games are toys, anon.

[Anonymous No.13423045]

>>13423021
>you should check out 20th century classical music.
good way to turn someone off to classical forever lol

[Anonymous No.13423053]

>>13421854
This is the opposite of correct
>video games
Playthings. Nothing artistic about them.
>animation
I've yet to see a single good argument in favor. They have not the realism of live-action film, not the pathos of literature, not the abstraction of classical art, not the emotion of music; they have nothing.
>short stories above novels
Is this a joke? Short stories are by definition less than a novel. Less theory, less thought, and more vagueness. That's the whole idea of novels.

I disagree with the rest of this, but I'm not going to spend more time on this obvious bait.

[Anonymous No.13423055]

>>13422989
film has the great misfortune of arriving on the scene while most of the arts were collapsing in on themselves. Imagine the film of the 18th century

[Anonymous No.13423086]

>>13423045
I’m assuming that anon has already heard the classical masters. Because who would put down an entire medium without hearing it’s most acclaimed material first? Of course this is 4chan though so you’re probably right.

[Anonymous No.13423097]

Literature isn’t art. I love books like the rest of you, but it simply isn’t. No author is an artist. Painting, music, photography, sculpture, dance and architecture are all art. This isn’t to say authors have no place in society, but they cannot be placed in the same class as someone who painted Guernica, composed Rhapsody in Blue, designed St Basil’s, etc

[Anonymous No.13423101]

>>13423097
This is a strange take anon, how is poetry any less of an art than painting or music? It has the same intangible quality of meaning, the depth of expression and ineffable beauty.

[Anonymous No.13423117]

>>13423055
Cinema was a very important part of the 20th century but now it's dead. Virtual realities and video games will slowly take over its place, while literature, music, painting and theater are still alive and well.

[Anonymous No.13423127]

>>13423117
I do love cinema, and I love plenty of art made in the 20th century(admittedly heavily clustered around its beginning) but I am one of those reactionary faggots who believes in the decline of artforms. I really don't believe that the best works of the 20th century are comparable in quality to those of the 18th. I don't think anyone is really to blame for this, I take a spengler sort of view of it, the artforms were organisms of a sort whose lifespan ran out as the culture associated with them died out.

[Anonymous No.13423250]

>>13423101

I know it’s a bizarre take, which is why I would never admit it using my own name. I don’t think poets are artists in the same way I don’t think playwrights are artists. Of course Shakespeare, Milton, Dante, Joyce, Tolstoy, etc were geniuses, but I mentally group them in with philosophers and psychiatrists and theorists but applying those beliefs in fictional form

[Anonymous No.13423282]

>>13423097
>>13423250
this is the stupidest thing I've seen on /lit/ in a long time

[Anonymous No.13423296]

>>13423250
Idk man what do you make of a William Blake, who seems to be using the same artistic spirit and mystic inspiration to create his poetry and his painting?

[Anonymous No.13423300]

>>13423127
Early 20th century modernist literature is the peak of literature in my opinion.

I still agree that 20th century is a huge decline over all, especially after the 1960's.

[Anonymous No.13423318]

>>13421785
Music>Poetry and Drama>Paitings>Comic Books>Novels>Sculpture and Architecture

[Anonymous No.13423346]

>>13423300
>Early 20th century modernist literature is the peak of literature in my opinion.
there's a certain sense in which I agree with this in that there was the culmination of many trends during that period. I am particularly inclined to poets like Trakl, Yeats and Rilke and of course the great novelists like Proust and Joyce. But you could also argue that literature's highest peak in the west was Dante. You could argue that it was Shakespeare and Marlowe or the centuries following involving Racine, Corneille and the playwrights of that tradition. Maybe it's a matter of taste, whether you appreciate the springtime, summer, or autumn of an artform. Ive just tokened out a few names but I assume you can get the gist of what i mean here, there are claims by many periods for the actual heights of the tradition.

I think with music the picture is clearer, the 200 years that saw Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Haydn, Handel, Bach, Mozart, etc. are inarguably the peak as I see it, a decline beginning with Beethoven and schubert, and Wagner being a kind of last gasp. (not to totally deny the power of later classical music, just that something was lost, nor the earlier polyphony church music which has a pure magic to it).

we do agree at least that the latter half of the 20th century has no actual geniuses. It has people of talent making works of meaning, but that line of titanic figures was broken.

[Anonymous No.13423357]

>>13423346
>polyphony
meant monophony of course sorry

[Anonymous No.13423401]

>>13421854
>literature not #1
Nu-/lit/.

[Anonymous No.13423427]

>>13422495
No.

[Anonymous No.13423468]

Film > Music > Literature > Visual Arts > Architecture

[Anonymous No.13423513]

>>13421785
painting > lit > film > performance > sculpture > music > architecture
I don't really find the artistry is music. Lyrical music is not elevated above poetry and otherwise it's expressive in such a limited fashion that it's always going to be a lesser art than something visual or something that can incorporate music into itself.

[Anonymous No.13423537]

>>13421854
>>God Tier
>Video games
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.13423640]

>>13423513
What’s your reasoning for painting at number 1

[Anonymous No.13423696]

>>13423640
Literature and film are, to me, bogged down with things like narrative and exposition and the realities of how and why they're made which seem to me like a circuitous way to make a piece of art. Anti-narrative/experimental cinema and literature is still very young, so maybe they're on the trajectory to surpass visual arts, but at the moment painting as an art form is simply the most evolved.

[Anonymous No.13424236]

>>13423427
Then you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.13424254]

>>13423513
>I don't really find the artistry is music
Because you're most likely completely musically illiterate.

[Anonymous No.13425313]

>>13424254
If the only people who appreciate music are other musicians, you must realize that only reduces my respect for it as an art form.

[Anonymous No.13426131]

>>13425313
Can people that can’t read appreciate literature? Can people that have no knowledge of cinematography and film making appreciate a Tarkovsky or Bergman film? Can people that don’t know about painting styles and techniques understand why Jackson Pollock is so acclaimed or what makes Rembrandt so amazing? Every art form takes time to fully appreciate and understand why you appreciate it. I don’t understand why effort is a negative to you. Also I’m pretty sure everyone can recognize the beauty of a Bach or Mozart piece without knowledge on what makes them beautiful.

[Anonymous No.13426253]

>>13426131
There are certain art forms, most notably IMO photography, where only other creators in the space really care about it from an artistic standpoint. I appreciate Bach and Mozart from a technical and entertainment standpoint, but beauty? It's not there for me. No piece of music have ever stuck with me like a good painting or book or even film.

[Anonymous No.13426284]

>>13421785

[Anonymous No.13426321]

>>13426253
Take the Scriabin pill

[Anonymous No.13426331]

>Literature
>Music
>Painting
>Film
>Sculpture
>Architecture
>Photography
I'm ranking these based on their inherent ability to transcend the Ephemeral and how close an image to the Platonic Ideal they are capable of presenting. Literature and Music are at more or less the same level, but I rank Lit higher based on its greater ability to communicate ideas, as well as my own preference. Painting is the highest visual art because it is the visual form most removed from a mere recording of reality, which Film and Photography are both guilty of. Film is higher than Photgraphy because of, again, its increased capability of communicating ideas, which elevates it from Photography, which is the worst example of an "art form" being a mere recording of the Ephemeral. Sculpture is ranked above architecture, although they are essentially different branches of the same form, because it is further removed from the constraints of reality, being capable of more artistic expression than architecture, which, while often beautiful and impressive, is forever bound by its position as a functional object, and therefore unable to truly free itself creatively. I didn't put Vidya on this list because I do not see it as a valid form of artistic expression, perhaps in the future, if it somehow divorces itself from its purpose as a debased source of entertainment, it may join the pantheon of art forms, but to be honest I don't see any evidence of that happening.

[Anonymous No.13426333]

>>13421785
Film > literature > music > sculpture > painting > taxidermy

[Anonymous No.13426340]

>>13422473
So would that also mean that theatre is not art?

[Anonymous No.13426449]

Music
Painting
Literature
Film


Music is significantly above the rest though, the other three are fairly close together, although Im not sure if literature should be lower.

At times I feel like its the weakest art form but I'm too blinded by nostalgia to commit to that opinion.

[Anonymous No.13426656]

Film
Music
Literature
Architecture
Painting
Sculpture
Performance Art

[Anonymous No.13427690]

Garfield

[Anonymous No.13427715]

>>13421785
I prefer music.

[Anonymous No.13427754]

>>13421854
>>13423097
>>13421874
>>13422022
>>13423097
>>13423318
>>13423468
>>13423513
>>13426333
>>13426449
>>13426656
>>13427715
So apparently literature is no one's favorite art form. Tells you much about /lit/.

[Anonymous No.13427762]

>>13421785
Literature and Film
Music
Painting
Architecture
Performance art

[Anonymous No.13427771]

>>13421854
>>God Tier
>Video games
>Animation

[Anonymous No.13427772]

>>13427754
Even Tolstoy conceded film's superiority over literature.

[Anonymous No.13427779]

>>13427690
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0f5NDZjepSW

[Anonymous No.13427785]

Music > literature = anime > kino > painting = sculpture > architecture > movies

>>13427754
You missed >>13422485

I don't care enough about performance art to have an opinion.

[Anonymous No.13428865]

ranking anything is the lowest tier of them all

[Anonymous No.13428898]

1. Music
2. Poetry
3. Sculpture/Painting
4. Landscape Gardening
5. Architecture

[Anonymous No.13428972]

1st: Meditation

[Anonymous No.13429041]

>>13426253
Listen to this: https://youtu.be/tf5fM1i3MGQ