[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]

2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

File: 68 KB, 1024x605, USFlag1024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:19:17 2019 No.13399223 [Reply] [Original]

Why does America, a dumb cultureless country filled with dumb tasteless petit bourgeois philistines, have such great writers?
>Faulkner
>Henry James
>William James
>Crane
>Stevens
>Gaddis
>Salinger
>Burroughs
>Gass
>Melville
>Whitman
>Austen
>Dickinson
>Hemingway
>Emerson
>Steinbeck
>Gass
>Pynchon
>Poe
>Hemingway
>Hawthorne
>Bellow
>Dick
>O'Connor
>Williams
>Miller
>Capote
>etc

Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:26:48 2019 No.13399254

People forget that the USA has the third largest population in the world. The same reason China and India have their reputations that are perpetuated by a tiny sliver of the bell-curve. Lots of money means lots of freedom to explore lifestyles that traditionally were unsustainable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:29:26 2019 No.13399266 O B S E S S E D

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:29:29 2019 No.13399267 >>13399254 Then how come China and India have shit literature and the best literature comes from France, Austria, and Ireland?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:31:37 2019 No.13399281 >>13399267 >China and India have shit literature

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:31:58 2019 No.13399283 >>13399267 >have shit literature They don't. You just don't know about it because they're culturally & regionally more distant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:33:00 2019 No.13399289 >>13399267 >France, Austria, and Ireland Yes, they have good literature, but it's just gay to make everything into a dick-waving contest, especially in regards to stuff you are uninformed about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:34:38 2019 No.13399296 >>13399281 >>13399283 The Chinese and Indians are bugmen with no literary soul, prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:35:34 2019 No.13399303 >>13399267 Maybe you should stop ingesting memes and start ingesting bleach

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:36:36 2019 No.13399308 >>13399296 eyeroll

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:36:44 2019 No.13399310 File: 66 KB, 381x353, 1542222714679.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13399223 >Burroughs >Dickinson >Whitman >Steinbeck >Pynchon >Hemingway >Miller >bourgeois

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:39:13 2019 No.13399324 None of these writers are great. Some of them are quite good, but none of them are truly masters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:44:17 2019 No.13399354 >>13399324 Henry James, Faulkner, Austen, Salinger, Melville, Pynchon, Gass, Whitman, Dickinson, Crane, Stevens, Gaddis are great faggot

Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:45:31 2019 No.13399358

>>13399267
There's a quote by an Iranian film critic who said (paraphrased) "The US can afford to export any kind of image they want in the same way that your boss can show up to work in sandals and a t-shirt and you cannot." World superpowers don't care to curate their image to the rest of the world. That's the only reason you think Norway or France are the best countries in the world and India/China/US/Russia are filled with subhumans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:46:33 2019 No.13399368 >>13399281 He’s right about China, since Mao there hasn’t been a real great Chinese writer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:47:59 2019 No.13399374 >>13399223 Cause ure from America and have no better exposure

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:48:27 2019 No.13399376 >>13399368 Because Mao and his regime killed off any great writer and made sure no others would come about in the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:50:09 2019 No.13399388 File: 804 KB, 1000x578, John-Dos-Passos-Interview.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The absence of John Dos Passos from all these lists never fails to sadden me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:51:56 2019 No.13399398 >>13399358 The US is literally filled with subhumans though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 14:53:24 2019 No.13399406 >>13399358 What's the film critic's name?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 15:03:36 2019 No.13399465 >>13399324 Bad b8

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 15:14:17 2019 No.13399529 >>13399406 Mehrnaz Saeed-Vafa - it was in a book she had cowritten about Abbas Kiarostami, I don't remember exactly where in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 15:21:20 2019 No.13399559 >>13399223 Easy answer? European tradition

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 15:24:33 2019 No.13399579 >>13399406 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 16:16:06 2019 No.13399842 >>13399354 >Austen >American Only one way you could make this mistake

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 16:18:59 2019 No.13399857 I feel like Steinbeck is criminally underrated on this board. His books never fail to stir me up emotionally. I remember East of Eden having a real profound effect on the way I looked at things after I read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 16:20:06 2019 No.13399862 >>13399368 >since mao why the arbitrary standard? some of the authors OP listed were before mao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 20:24:39 2019 No.13401140 >>13399296 Please be bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 21:03:12 2019 No.13401311 File: 573 KB, 1110x1600, grapes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13399857 I agree, East of Eden and The Grapes of Wrath great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 21:06:36 2019 No.13401320 File: 3.91 MB, 1013x2189, lit top 100 2018.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13399857 So underrated he got three books on the top 100 last year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 21:10:29 2019 No.13401336 >>13399223 America wasn't dumb and cultureless until Reconstruction and the Industrial Revolution. Anyone good after that era was clinging to vestiges of the Victorian era & frontier mythos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 21:23:51 2019 No.13401387 >>13401336 postmodern american lit is kino

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 22:04:16 2019 No.13401534 >>13399862 >arbitrary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_of_landlords_under_Mao_Zedong

Anonymous Tue Jul 2 22:14:34 2019 No.13401578

>literally no one can name a Chinese or Indian author to prove the anons wrong

This is how I know you're all stupid and talking out your asses. Too late to post one now as surely you angry brainlets will now look up 'famous authors China' on Google to save face. You must now face the fact forever that you are pseud morons. So long, morons!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 2 22:19:45 2019 No.13401599 https://vocaroo.com/i/s0j5Br9nRWXc :33333333333333

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 01:56:38 2019 No.13402367 >>13399398 And yet we're better than the entire rest of the world, and could bend them over and fuck them all in the ass simultaneously at will. Curious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 02:04:52 2019 No.13402383 Why does everyone pretend it's just America. You aren't going to go to some other country and everyone will all of a sudden be any different.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:48:12 2019 No.13402806

Because people can afford to travel easier due to the popularity of cars and highways, which were unseen to the rest of the world. This bred greater travel and a culture surrounding it which helped form experiences in many people that support the required components needed to make good writing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:56:47 2019 No.13402830

>>13399223
>a dumb cultureless country filled with dumb tasteless petit bourgeois philistines
That’s just the current state of affairs and I seriously don’t get why people complain about this being a USA thing when the entire first world is like that, and if you’re from the third world things are even worse.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 05:19:09 2019 No.13402884

>>13402830
This

People like to imagine that somewhere in the world there is a place where people are simultaneously more sophisticated and down to earth creating the most tasteful artists and writers

If you traveled a bit you’d know the entire planet is a shithole filled with drooling NPCs with a few cool or interesting people sprinkled around.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:38:09 2019 No.13403243

>>13402367
Yes, but that's the consequence of the generational efforts of enterprising white men. The only reason America is still a superpower is because it still has the infrastructure and so forth that our forefathers set in motion. But make no mistake, America is in a death spiral in every way, culturally, economically, demographically, and to think we're currently "better than the rest of the world" is ridiculous. There was a time when that was very true, in fact not even that long ago, less than two decades ago, it was probably still true. But it's very much not the case any more.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:56:01 2019 No.13403290

>>13403243
>There was a time when that was very true, in fact not even that long ago, less than two decades ago, it was probably still true. But it's very much not the case any more.
What has dramatically changed in America between 1999 and 2019 to make this true though? I find it hard to believe that this type of infrastructure decay can set in in such a short time span.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:59:13 2019 No.13403304 i don't see any great writers today?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:01:17 2019 No.13403309 >>13402367 >We >We >We >We >We AHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:02:19 2019 No.13403311 >>13403304 The reason? They're not dead yet.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:09:25 2019 No.13403330

>>13403290
It's a very multifaceted issue if your question is "what are the causes", but it's not hard to see the rot in question.
What you can think of as the great catalyst was the Hart-Cellar Act, the ramifications of which we've only really started feeling the past couple decades.
But in general it's a combination of cultural decline, violently transforming demographics, and the fact that plans that were set out hundreds of years ago by Kalergi are starting to take shape not just in America, but in the whole West.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:15:50 2019 No.13403349 >>13403290 he's talking about the mental, physical, and spiritual decay you fool, not in buildings or technology

Advanced search
Text to find
Subject [?]Search by post subject. Leave empty for any.
Username [?]Search for user name. Leave empty for any user name.
Tripcode [?]Search for tripcode. Leave empty for any.
Email [?]Search by email. Leave empty for any.
Filename [?]Search by image filename. Leave empty for any.
From Date [?]Enter what date to start searching from. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
To Date [?]Enter what date to start searching until. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
Image hash
Search in	All Posts OPs Only
Deleted posts	Show all posts Show only deleted posts Only show non-deleted posts
Internal posts	Show all posts Show only internal posts Show only archived posts
Order	New posts first Old posts first
Capcode	All Posts Only by Users Only by Mods Only by Admins Only by Developers
Results	Posts Threads
Action	[ Simple ]