/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.13383500]

COMFORT AND NOSTALGIA EDITION
>Post books you read while growing up and tell us how you honestly felt about them at the time.
>Do they still hold up? Are there any YA books that do?
>Do you look back and cringe at some of the stuff that you liked?
>As always, tell us what you're currently reading.

Monthly Reading for June: Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
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Flowchart:
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Science Fiction:
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php


Previously:
>>13372298
>>13355879
>>13346515
>>13336245
>>13326920
>>13309041

[Anonymous No.13383564]

>>13383506
Monthly reading anon/ thread slave. One of these days you will get a GRI APPROVED book for monthly reading, and you will like it and stop fake apologizing for lack of gri.

[Anonymous No.13383570]

>>13383506
What are some books about building a healthy and supportive relationship with a significant other?

[Anonymous No.13383578]

sanderfag a hack
rothfuss a cuck
maas a hag
Le guin a cute

[Anonymous No.13383605]

>>13383500
>Battlefield Earth
>thought it was an awesome action story with an American helping Scots kill aliens and then make friends with them, outjew the space jews and retire innawoods
>haven't read it since, I knew at the time that a stack of nukes on a teleport platform wouldn't be able to detonate after the first one, references to psychologists being the bad guys didn't really stick but made sense when I found out about scientology
or if you meant books you read while growing up that were written for you at that age
>Louis Sachar
>loved how zany Wayside School was
>still think about it, reread them ~5 years ago and still great
>Bruce Coville
>real sense of wonder
>he's a metastasized prog but it didn't really show in his work
>still holds up
>William Sleator
>better than a lot of for-adults surrealism
>probably the only autobiography I read at that age

[Anonymous No.13383629]

>>13383564
Monthly reading anon and I are not the same person and I have faith that he'd disqualify any filth that is nominated. He'll probably say it's too long or some shit, he's sneaky like that when he doesn't like something that's nominated.

>>13383570
Vorkosigan Saga has a lot of healthy relationships besides being a great series in general.

[Anonymous No.13383651]

What is the most gruesome and dark recent (2010-2019) SF novels? Something on par with Piers Anthony's Chthon.

[Anonymous No.13383701]

>>13383651
Bakker. But unless he self publishes the series will never conclude

[Anonymous No.13383709]

>>13383500
I read lots of fantasy as a kid and the only series I really came to dislike as an adult was Eragon. I aged out of that one so hard and so fast that I've never even read the last two books.

Now that I come to think of it, I've read tons of fantasy aimed at children but all the scifi I read as a kid was stuff aimed more at adults. Are there any popular scifi books aimed at kids? Besides superhero comics and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.13383735]

Do y'all buy or read smut on amazon? If so what kind of smut do you like? What niche should I write?

[Anonymous No.13383746]

>>13383651
Bakker definitely. Even without the secret book that will never be written, its worth a read.

[Anonymous No.13383751]

>>13383735
I would probably read more erotica if there was some convenient database organized by searchable tags, so I could easily find shit that fit my current fap mood. I don't like having to rely on searches for titles and descriptions.

[Anonymous No.13383756]

The Redwall books by Brian Jacques. Loved them as a kid, and recently started rereading them. Still comfy af

[Anonymous No.13383758]

>>13383756
Same. Glad I read them before internet communities so I didn't get memed into being a furry though.

[Anonymous No.13383775]

>>13383756
Redwall is good but I feel like the books start to blur together after a certain point. There's usually either a siege or a cross-country adventure or both, and a big predator villain, and an ancient treasure that can only be found through riddles, and lots and lots of food. The formula works, don't get me wrong, but there's very little reason to keep reading after five or so books.

[Anonymous No.13383801]

>>13383500
Darren Shan books.

Particularly the Saga of Darren Shan and the start of the Demonata books. Loved them as a child but cringe thinking about them.

Also, I keep seeing everyone praising Sanderson (not here though) so I read the Mistborn trilogy and fuck me it was shit. I get it's his first series but how do people think these are good books?

[Anonymous No.13383867]

>>13383801
I read the demonata series last year. I never finished it when I was younger. It was really good. Not sure why you cringe

[Anonymous No.13383869]

>>13383801
>the ending of Darren Shan where he writes himself into the book moreso than just using his name

Even 13 year old me knew that was cringe.

[Anonymous No.13383940]

>>13383867
Aa I said its thinking about them, I haven't reread them at all. I just remember some really cringe moments about the books/his writing style.
>>13383869
I always thought it was weird the character was named after him and it just kept getting cringier.

[Anonymous No.13383995]

>>13383701
>>13383746
What book are talking about?Can I have a name of it.

[Anonymous No.13384005]

>>13383629
>he's sneaky like that when he doesn't like something that's nominated.
You sound like acts of caine / wandering inn anon.

[Anonymous No.13384008]

>>13383995
The Darkness that Comes Before.

[Anonymous No.13384048]

I really wanted Erim and Stjepan to fuck.
When will the second book come out ?

[Anonymous No.13384069]

>>13384005
You mean the retard that nominated Wandering "2000 pages" Inn for monthly? Nah, not him.

[Anonymous No.13384138]

>>13384005
Nah I'm the Acts of Caine anon and I'm not butthurt about the result. Length was a reasonable way to break the tie and Library at Mount Char sounds interesting. There are other months after all, and in the end it's not like the outcome of monthly reading votes results in all copies of the losing books being destroyed.
Monthlyreadingfag a good guy.

[Anonymous No.13384192]

>>13384008
More like The Darkness that Comes to Bore.
Damn that was clever.

[Anonymous No.13384329]

>>13383500
Is that image from something? If not I really want to write that into a middlegrade/ya book now

[Anonymous No.13384367]

>>13384329
No, carry on.
https://www.deviantart.com/sandara/art/Autumn-Leaves-796950200

[Anonymous No.13384368]

>>13384329
It's from my diary.

[Anonymous No.13384453]

What are some good books about Wizards or magic aficionados in general, that you would recommend?
I've already read Face in the Frost, Strange & Norell and the Discworld wizard/witches books. Not really interested in overtly cliche YA, such as Eragon.

[Anonymous No.13384491]

>>13384453
Diana Wynne Jones does good work in this field, Deep Secret's my favorite.

[Anonymous No.13384501]

>>13384453

[Anonymous No.13384519]

>>13384453
A Wizard of Earthsea is one of the basics.

[Anonymous No.13384559]

>>13383500
>>Post books you read while growing up and tell us how you honestly felt about them at the time.
Redwall. I loved them but grew out of them around 13 when I realized how formulaic they were. I still read every book up through Taggerung, I think, so I got some good mileage out of it. "Martin the Warrior" probably kept me going a few books longer than I would have -- it's the only one with an unhappy/bittersweet end.
>>Do they still hold up? Are there any YA books that do?
Individually sure they hold up. I wouldn't recommend an adult read the entire series. As far as YA in general, I have no idea.
>>Do you look back and cringe at some of the stuff that you liked?
No.
>>As always, tell us what you're currently reading.
James Blish, Cities in Flight. Blish > Clarke.

[Anonymous No.13384561]

>>13384453
Rhialto the Magnificent

[Anonymous No.13384565]

>>13384453

[Anonymous No.13384592]

Who "invented" the fantasy trope of having a book (or a crystal or whatever) contain more information than was ever possible to print on paper pages?

[Anonymous No.13384702]

>>13384592
What the fuck are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.13384743]

>>13384592
if you're referring to xianxia, it actually makes sense that people with absurd sense could read atomic level writing in a crystalline structure, sort of like a boy and his atom.

[Anonymous No.13384765]

I tried to read Zelazny and quit after 40 initial pages were nothing more but mind numbing hindu info dump. Literally the worst fantasy novel (Lord of Light) I ever attempted to read.

[Anonymous No.13385006]

>>13384192
The Dogdick That Cums for Vore

[Anonymous No.13385011]

>>13384765
Wow what a faggot

[Anonymous No.13385014]

>>13384743
... Or a solid state hard drive

[Anonymous No.13385021]

>>13384592
what you mean like a hard drive

[Anonymous No.13385035]

>>13384592
Borges in 'The Book of Sand' for recent times
&
some old dude (prolly medieval) who came up with it first

[Anonymous No.13385043]

>>13384765
>Lord of Light
>Fantasy
>Can't into THE master of sff prose
Yikes! I'm sure you can find some Terry Goodkind out there, Anon. Also, nice bait

[Anonymous No.13385046]

Is there accelerationist sci-fi yet?

[Anonymous No.13385055]

>>13385046
still working on it

[Anonymous No.13385063]

>>13385046
What do you mean by accelerationist?

[Anonymous No.13385066]

>>13385046
All Tomorrows by C.M. Kosemen

[Anonymous No.13385134]

What are some books were good and evil, right and wrong is clear? I'm tired of the "le grey interpretations are so intelligent" fantasy crap being written. I want a good story, a noble story, where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad.
>Don't mention LOTR

[Anonymous No.13385140]

>>13385134
land fit for heroes

[Anonymous No.13385166]

>>13385134
Most of the Discworld books have unambiguous heroes and villains. Carpe Jugulum notably has a main protagonist openly decry the idea of a grey area between good and evil.

[Anonymous No.13385202]

>>13385134
Wheel of Time

[Anonymous No.13385237]

>>13385134
Star Knight Saga: Reavers of the Void. Moden pulpy space opera with a healthy dose of Catholicism. Good guys are Christian and good and bad guys are devil-worshiping bad. It's not in your face with its Christianess as in trying to preach to you, but it also doesn't give a fuck if you're a faggot offended by its Christianess. I'm not a Christian BTW, but like you I tire of the LE GRAY MORALITY AND EVERYONE IS AWFUL grimderp meme and I've come to really enjoy fantasy and sci-fi written by Christian writers. I'd also recommend the works by David Gemmell. He was a Christian too, but his stories could be a bit grittier and his heroes grittier as well.

[Anonymous No.13385296]

>>13385046
Yes,Lord of Light,The Stars my Destination and a fuck ton of others

[Anonymous No.13385334]

are all writers on drugs? Is that how they they manage it? Do I need to do drugs?

[Anonymous No.13385355]

>>13385237
sup jim

[Anonymous No.13385412]

>>13385134
Moth & Cobweb

[Anonymous No.13385444]

>I’m not a Christian

Tips

[Anonymous No.13385476]

>>13385444
Suggest me some Christianpunk

[Anonymous No.13385530]

>>13385046
Accelerando is from 2003 or so

[Anonymous No.13385531]

>>13385334
yeah
I'm doing ethanol

[Anonymous No.13385572]

>>13384048
What would thw second book be about? Thw budding war?
The book worked as a standalone for me.

[Anonymous No.13385583]

>>13384501
I was supposed to try this to see if it was complete shit.

[Anonymous No.13385606]

>>13383500
>Post books you read while growing up
Septimus Heap
Harry Potter
Charlie Bone
Artemis Fowl
Hardy Boys
Shivers
Goosebumps
Animorphs
Robinson Crusoe
Treasure island
Enith Blyden
Etc etc

A lot of them hold up for being kids books that ignites the love of reading.

[Anonymous No.13385616]

>>13385606
>artimes fowl
>goes through all that and ends up forever alone
>doesn’t /ss/ holly
>doesn’t /ss/ Juliet
>doesn’t /ss/ opal
>DOES get cucked by that other human bitch

I am still mad to this day

[Anonymous No.13385624]

>>13385046
Isn't there accelerondo from years back?
Also litrpg is the embryo that will grow the accelerationist genre. They are already escaping their body to spend most of their time in a game.
the ritualist series has an entity building machines, uploading people's mind into a collective, then destroying the body.

[Anonymous No.13385630]

>>13385606
>>13385616
Artemis Fowl is pretty much Eragon tier. Liked it when I was a kid but tried rereading it as an adult and I cringed my balls off realizing just how fucking bad it is.

[Anonymous No.13385635]

>>13385134
Any old book before 2000, when good and evil became cliched. Nothing is black and white and you are a brainlet for not understanding this.

[Anonymous No.13385644]

>>13385237
>I'm not a Christian deus vult guys, I swear

[Anonymous No.13385650]

>>13385630
>Artemis Fowl is pretty much Eragon tier
Kys scum
Eragon was shit from since then. I stayed away.

[Anonymous No.13385663]

/sffg/, I'm bored, depressed and suck at everything I do. What's the book for me?

[Anonymous No.13385696]

>>13385663
The Farseer Trilogy, if you also have a history of family and friends being disgusted by your sexual preferences.

[Anonymous No.13385714]

>>13385644
See
>>13385444

[Anonymous No.13385726]

>>13385444
I'm Muslim

[Anonymous No.13385728]

>>13385696
they aren't, but they would be if they knew the kind of shit I'm into

[Anonymous No.13385735]

>>13385696
Does he fuck the dog?

[Anonymous No.13385746]

>>13385735
No but he might as well.

[Anonymous No.13385759]

>>13385663
Do not, I repeat do not fall for the Farseer meme. Your depression will reach critical levels and you'll kill yourself if you read that pos series.
And the book names are a complete scam btw, that idiot protagonist isn't fit to assassinate a potato, he's a glorified herbalist that gets his ass kicked in every which way in all the books.

[Anonymous No.13385820]

>>13385663
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant:The Unbeliever

[Anonymous No.13385853]

what are some books about geniuses where the geniuses actually act like geniuses?

[Anonymous No.13385869]

>>13385726
>tips turban

[Anonymous No.13385879]

>>13385853
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.13385911]

>>13385853
there's that ted chiang story where two souped up geniuses duel it out using hormonal mental manipulation, recursive trapdoors and mental bodily regulation and weird shit. kinda dumb but fun story

[Anonymous No.13385964]

>>13385911
It's called "Understand"

[Anonymous No.13386053]

>protag from our world gets transported to a medieval fantasy world
>but he has a fucking GUN
any books that do this?

[Anonymous No.13386068]

>>13386053
A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court is the only one that comes to mind, but iirc he builds the gun rather than goes back with it

[Anonymous No.13386127]

>>13386053
no book can match the greatness of Army of Darkness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn7hbghmd44

[Anonymous No.13386145]

DISCUSSION TIME!

>Did you enjoy the book?
>Now that the dust have settled, who was in the right?
>Did you like the non linear structure of the book? When did you realize that the first chapter was one of the last?
>We've previously read another book by Zelazny, A Night in the Lonesome October. Did you notice any similarities?
>Other thoughts?

(Sorry I’m late)

[Anonymous No.13386150]

>>13383629
Sup Slave. I won’t be around for a while so here’s the image for next month.

[Anonymous No.13386242]

>>13385759
I haven't read them but my chick read the first one and this got a kek out of her so I can affirm its accuracy

[Anonymous No.13386261]

>>13386053
No transportation, but Jorg recovers a gun from the past and uses it to some effect in King of Thorns

[Anonymous No.13386273]

>>13386145
>When did you realize the first chapter was one of the last
I didn't. Fuck. So many layers to this one I probably missed a ton of shit. The satellite dish in chap 1 being described only as a lotus should have been a big clue to pay more attention

[Anonymous No.13386314]

why did you fags tell me God Emperor of Dune was a good read? boring philosophical chats for 350 pages, then a fat cunt falling off a bridge for 30 pages, and then the longest most drawn out death scene in sci fi

[Anonymous No.13386326]

>>13385134
Lord of the Rings

[Anonymous No.13386333]

>>13386314
it's okay to admit that you're too low IQ to get it

[Anonymous No.13386338]

>>13386333
>totalitarianism has both good and bad characteristics
what is there to get beyond that

[Anonymous No.13386341]

>>13386333
Not a Herbert fan, but you can't argue with the Triumvirate of Truth

[Anonymous No.13386393]

>>13385063
Intentionally worsening the problems in society so as to spark unrest and hopefully change
It's a retarded ideology that's only championed by people who won't be affected by said unrest

[Anonymous No.13386439]

>>13386273
lel
Sam was beamed up into the sky after he was not killed by being eaten by a tiger. Then, in the first chapter, Yama beamed him back down. Most chapters are actually flashbacks.

[Anonymous No.13386478]

>>13386145
I enjoyed the book. It must have blown people away back in the days. I feel like the ending was rushed however, the book spend almost all the time on flashbacks and then the final battle is fought and resolved in a couple of pages.

[Anonymous No.13386761]

>>13386145
Why didn’t Sam just kill the 4 Gods in Hellwell? His powers could easily have shut down all their defenses and most of their offense.

[Anonymous No.13386857]

>>13386439
Shit I just thought history was repeating itself

[Anonymous No.13386891]

>>13386273
Chronologically it's 2-6, 1, than 7.
I thought it was pretty obvious.

>>13386761
Because they used to be his friends/collegues he didn't want to kill them before trying another way.
I feel he had a grudging respect for Yama then and he didn't want to kill Kali because they used to be lovers. Not sure how close he was to the other two.

[Anonymous No.13386906]

>>13385572
I dunno but i know that there is a second book and it was supposed to be released long ago but had some issues or whatever. I just want Erim and Stjepan to fuck desu

[Anonymous No.13387061]

>>13386478
The ending was definitely rushed. By the time the last battle came around, I didn’t know who all the characters were, or what their allegiances were. Indra kind of came out of nowhere even though they had an important part in the fight.

That being said, the rest of the book was incredible. I was a little confused in the first chapter, but it made sense once I understood the chronology. Glad I stuck with it.

[Anonymous No.13387240]

What's a good fantasy book to read on the beach ?

[Anonymous No.13387316]

>>13386150
>Sup Slave.
Wow, rude.
>I won’t be around for a while so here’s the image for next month.
I gotchu.

[Anonymous No.13387319]

>>13385746
hello and welcome to today's edition of missing the point 101

Farseer trilogy (and the Elderling cycle as a whole) is really great though, second the original recommendation

[Anonymous No.13387340]

>>13386053
The Man Who Came Early
that is an extremely common plot desu

[Anonymous No.13387347]

>>13386906
>I just want Erim and Stjepan to fuck desu
Not happening. That literal fairy twink thinks about throbbing members. If he didn't fuck her for an entire book, I don't think he will start now.

[Anonymous No.13387348]

>>13386150
Also, I'm going to make a chart out of the monthly books.
So many people have been whining about charts lately and monthly books are the closest thing we have to a democratically chosen list of books in the general. Seems logical to put them on a chart and stick them in the OP.

[Anonymous No.13387352]

>tfw we lost the made-in-Iran totally bonkers Lord of Light movie just to save some Canucks

[Anonymous No.13387353]

>>13387347
Didn't we have google drive with all the old books?

[Anonymous No.13387358]

>>13387348
Didn't we have google drive with all the old books?

[Anonymous No.13387360]

>>13387358
It's still there in the OP..

[Anonymous No.13387375]

Need books like Daniel Black.
>uses magic to build machines and devices in hours or days instead of the traditional weeks or months
>use your magic in tricky new ways to btfo of your enemies, to drive them before you before bombing them out of existence, and to hear the lamentations of their women and to see when the knowledge hits them that they lost and the only way out is your cock

[Anonymous No.13387378]

>>13386145
I loved the book and I've read it 2-3 times, no idea how I missed it in my teenage Zelazny binge (did read NITLO back then though) and it was a little slow to start but then it's in screaming overdrive the rest of the story.

I love how it looks like a science fiction story told through religious trappings then you realize it's a religious/mythological story told as a science fiction story told as a religious story. I love how it really doesn't matter if they were the crew of a colony ship once, they're gods now. I love how Yama rehearses the Katha Upanishad with Sam's former assassin who has gained true Buddha-nature. I love how the villains will actually take the trouble to reincarnate you into an ape if they hate you enough.

I didn't like how Zelazny couldn't think of anything better for Sam to enlighten the people with than the printing press, though I suppose that's some irony in that he thinks he's giving them the real stuff, industrialism, when the Buddhist social jammer he threw in to mess with the Lords of Karma was what they really wanted. Nirritri was underdeveloped and could have been extremely interesting, and the climax sort of felt like Z-man was bored.

It was similar to NITLO mostly in Zelazny's casual mythopoeia. Le Guin hated that, by the way, but I always get a kick out of sudden hippie language getting thrown into the deep sonorous numinous intonations. Also similar in characters from myth being animated, and he does a good job in keeping them mostly-true to their original character imo, people who turn into Hindu gods start acting like Hindu gods should act, Sherlock Holmes behaves exactly like he would.

[Anonymous No.13387414]

Aside from Wild Wastes, any other books with a female orc love interest?

[Anonymous No.13387425]

>>13387414
I think Grey Bastards has one that is relevant to the story.

[Anonymous No.13387516]

>>13385046
skeleton key mate

[Anonymous No.13387587]

>>13387348
Monthly reading isn't so much a "best ever" as it is a "this sounds interesting to read/discuss, let's try it!"
with that said I'm all for making a chart as a visual representation of what's been done so far

[Anonymous No.13387643]

Anons,
Please express your intense hatred for my chart with constructive criticism and suggestions.

[Anonymous No.13387692]

Any books like this show?

[Anonymous No.13387834]

>>13386053
Unless it's some flintlock what's the use a modern gun is once you are out of ammo. It's not like there's a reason protag would know how to make bullets.

[Anonymous No.13387840]

>>13387240
>"Wow anon you are so smart reading that on the beach. But come on, let's go for a swim, or play some volleyball! Enjoy the summer!"

[Anonymous No.13387841]

Need books where elves are raped.

[Anonymous No.13387864]

>>13387841
Silmarillion.

[Anonymous No.13387881]

>>13387841
Me too, buddy

[Anonymous No.13387887]

>>13387841
https://www.amazon.com/Haru-Sex-Worker-Another-World-ebook/dp/B07FXHXLRS

[Anonymous No.13387899]

>decide to do goodreads read x books for the year
>fallen 4 books behind
>actually going back and finishing off stuff I stopped reading like 70% of the way through to keep on pace
Lads this is actually helping me read lol
>>13387692
describe it all I know is its german

[Anonymous No.13387954]

>>13387643
where can I get a download of Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City

[Anonymous No.13387982]

>>13387954
https://uploadproper.net/90udea7hlhrl

[Anonymous No.13387985]

>>13387954
I think I got it from Mobilism

[Anonymous No.13388203]

>>13385663
The Farseer trilogy,really wholesome Father-in-law/Daughter-in-law relationship
>>13387841
The Broken Sword
Even the mc's mom kinda digs getting gangfucked by trolls
>>13387899
Same

[Anonymous No.13388204]

>>13387352
It's not fair, bros

[Anonymous No.13388230]

Gene Wolfe at his wedding.

[Anonymous No.13388276]

>>13383500
Comfort and Nostalgia are bad.
>>13384453
The Rainbow Abyss, haven't heard it mentioned here before, but it (and the sequel) are deeply underrated.
>>13385046
Technically Nick Land wrote two "cosmic horror" stories, Phyl Undhu and Chasm, which are apparently quite good (I've only read the former)
>>13387340
>The Man Who Came Early
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.13388288]

>>13388230
more rare wolfes

[Anonymous No.13388372]

>>13388288
He was a private man, and he only became famous in his 40s and 50s as an old man.

[Anonymous No.13388388]

>>13388276
>Comfort and Nostalgia are bad.
Oh it's alright, in moderation.


>>13383500
>COMFORT AND NOSTALGIA EDITION
>>Post books you read while growing up and tell us how you honestly felt about them at the time.
The Discworld books
>>Do they still hold up? Are there any YA books that do?
Yes.
>>Do you look back and cringe at some of the stuff that you liked?
Eragon
>>As always, tell us what you're currently reading.
Going through the later Tiffany Aching books, which I hadn't read before. Currently on the fourth and I'm enjoying them. But this book did take some darker detours. A 13 year old girl heavily beaten by her drunk father, terminating her pregnancy. Doesn't pull punches even though it was supposed to be for a younger audience.

[Anonymous No.13388466]

>>13388372
hence 'rare wolfes'

[Anonymous No.13388522]

When does the voting begin for July book?

[Anonymous No.13388535]

>>13388522
NVM I'm dumb

[Anonymous No.13388550]

>>13387899
>describe it all I know is its german
They are trapped in a time cycle and are trying to get out

[Anonymous No.13388572]

>>13387378
Nirritri is extremely under developed. He feel like an unused hook for a sequel.

[Anonymous No.13388884]

Gene Wolfe is my favorite writer and I find it funny that the most oft-quoted passage of his is the one I find most trivial, namely Severian's beach observations, pebbles and universal value of creation. It rings way too hippie for me to enjoy it properly and what's mroe important, it did not catch me off guard like most of his inner monologues did.

(if you want to know what my favourite passage is, it's Severian looking at the stars)

[Anonymous No.13389037]

You people are horrible plebs. A guy makes a chart so people could read less reddit/popular books and it is every bit as reddit. Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.13389118]

>>13389037
Cool what would your suggestions be

[Anonymous No.13389133]

>>13387841
R. Scott Bakker, Prince of Nothing

[Anonymous No.13389180]

>>13387643
Why is shit crossed out?

[Anonymous No.13389202]

How do you convey that something that looks like an inconsistency, isn't actually an inconsistency?

[Anonymous No.13389210]

>>13388884
I respect your opinion, lad, though I disagree myself; the beach monologue was the best piece of prose in the entire Book of the New Sun in my opinion. But I can totally agree with Wolfe being a favourite author. Not sure if I prefer BotNS or BotLS. It's a very hard choice for me.

But seriously the beach monologue is just so perfect and beautiful. I memorised it years ago, let me see if I can get ti right (not gonna look it up I swear):

>What struck me on that beach - and it struck me indeed so that I staggered as at a blow - was that if the Eternal Principle had rested in that curved thorn I carried about my neck across so many leagues, and if it now rested in the new thorn (perhaps the same thorn) I had only now put there, then it might rest in anything, and probably did rest in everything, in every thorn on every bush, in every drop of water in the sea. The thorn was a sacred Claw because all thorns were sacred Claws; the sand in my boots was sacred sand because it came from a beach of sacred sand. The Cenobites treasured up the relics of the Sannyasins because the Sannyasins had approached the Pancreator, but everything had approached and even touched the Pancreator because everything had fallen from his hand. I drew of my boots, that had traveled with me so far, and threw them into the waves, that I might not walk shod on holy ground.

[Anonymous No.13389220]

>>13389202
How do you mean? Like something a character sees is inconsistent with what has been previously established?

[Anonymous No.13389236]

>>13389220
Stuff like apparent plotholes or in-universe mechanics seemingly behaving in a way they aren't suppose.

[Anonymous No.13389249]

>>13389236
If it's from a character's point of view, then you have to show the reader that the character has a flawed perspective somehow e.g. they're dumb or high or don't understand what's happening. If you have an omniscient narrator (or whatever it's called) then you can't really have inconsistencies because that just means you're not writing consistently.

[Anonymous No.13389440]

Uhh so when does Cradle get good? Halfway into book 2 and he's still a beta cuck weaker than 5 year old kids. Lol at this rate he won't do anything exciting until book 10.

[Anonymous No.13389446]

>>13389440
Maybe in book 7

[Anonymous No.13389490]

>>13389440
When eithan shows up and showers him with advice and gifts

[Anonymous No.13389512]

Anyone read pic related?

I read Non-Stop by Aldiss a year or so back and really enjoyed it so have high hopes for this one.

[Anonymous No.13389516]

/sffg/ ive been thinking over what you guys have been telling me, and im starting to wonder if maybe the reason I lack direction and focus is that my story has too many moving pieces that dont fit together.

does this seem like too much?
>as a young boy, MC caught a shooting star and it destroyed his arm
>years he has given up the delusion that he was going to turn out to be the chosen one and is living as an underachieving cripple who just wants to go to culinary school
>one day it finally happens, and he gets isekkai'd to a surreal magical world where he's has magic powers that can change the world
>...just like all the other kids who've wound up there over the years, every one of them more able-bodied and magically gifted then him
>though it may seem like wonderland, the magical world is an inhospitable and purposeless place.
>there is no quest, only the constant struggle for survival. If you cant hunt, you're relegated to a domestic role, and unlike the other domestics, the MC isn't young enough to grow out of it

its supposed to be a story about ambition and insecurity, and the unrealistic expectations we set for ourselves that we can never live up to

>>13387841
No Game No Life maybe? Im pretty sure it has at least some form of sexual assault involving an elf

[Anonymous No.13389711]

If I write a science fiction novel will you guys read samples of it and let me know if its shit?

[Anonymous No.13389733]

>>13389516
i feel like you have posted that here before. Or at least something similar to it. Something about a cripple that has to struggle in a world of not cripples.

[Anonymous No.13389766]

>>13389733
ive posted it once or twice over the past six months. the idea is something I've been working on for a while, but it was a long slow process to bring all the pieces together, and I can't help but wonder if maybe the reason Ive been struggling is that the pieces really can't fit together

[Anonymous No.13389783]

>>13389766
I think your problem is that you think too hard about what your idea should be rather than rolling with the flow.
just start banging out a few pages and go with what just pops into your head. the greatest stories all just came spontaniously to authors and havent been planned out until a sizable chunk was already written.
you keep the core premise but change the setting and how things go down. just pick a general idea and write shit down. then go back and refine the earlier parts.

[Anonymous No.13389804]

Post some funny reviews

[Anonymous No.13389814]

>>13388388
>Tiffany Aching
What is Tiffany Aching for?

[Anonymous No.13389826]

>>13389037
How rebbit is my chart?

[Anonymous No.13389838]

>>13389814
>...And for as long as [Tiffany] could remember she’d heard her father, an otherwise quiet, slow man, make the Joke, the one that must have been handed down from Aching to Aching for hundreds of years.
>He’d say, ‘Another day of work and I’m still Aching’, or ‘I get up Aching and I go to bed Aching’, or even ‘I’m Aching all over’. They weren’t particularly funny after about the third time, but she’d miss it if he didn’t say at least one of them every week. They didn’t have to be funny, they were father jokes. Anyway, however they were spelled, all her ancestors had been Aching to stay, not Aching to leave.

[Anonymous No.13389845]

>>13389711
Write xianxia

[Anonymous No.13389859]

>>13389838
>>13389814
God damn it I just found that quote and you beat me to it!

[Anonymous No.13389881]

What sort of fantasy book are we missing?

[Anonymous No.13389882]

Just finished book one of the First Law trilogy.

Does it get any better or should I just give up now?

[Anonymous No.13389886]

>>13389814
breeding

[Anonymous No.13389928]

>>13389882
it stays about the same. if you didn't enjoy it you won't enjoy the other ones either

[Anonymous No.13389943]

Any of you fuckers work at Indigo? What's with the surge in fantasy novels set in worlds inspired by East Asian culture? And why 3/4 of every bestseller now a woman.

[Anonymous No.13390009]

Just finished Wise Man's Fear. What are the chances of Kvothe cucking Simm next book?

[Anonymous No.13390010]

I'm putting together a recommendation list. Working on a template to give a better idea of the content of the books, or at least give a baseline on where the recommendation is coming from (ie if I mark Brandon Sanderson as grimdark with beautiful prose, you know my opinion on everything else probably isn't worth shit). Where a book falls on the grit level gradient would be included as a border around the cover. What you nibbers think? Shit idea or keep going?

[Anonymous No.13390021]

>>13389440
Book 3 when he finally gets a Path

[Anonymous No.13390022]

>>13389882
Eh, I could take or leave the first trilogy. The only books that really shine are The Heroes and Best Served Cold

[Anonymous No.13390051]

I'm glad everyone is not being a lazy fagget, and putting work into making a chart.

[Anonymous No.13390078]

>>13389943
publishers, like many other industries have been making a greater effort recently to strive for diversity. However, they're being lazy about it, and both women and asian settings are low-hanging fruit.

The thing is, it's really not a good solution, or even a solution at all. They're treating the symptoms rather than addressing the real problem

[Anonymous No.13390106]

>>13390078
What's the real problem?

[Anonymous No.13390145]

>>13387840
I read on a kindle faggot

[Anonymous No.13390156]

>>13387347
What if it happens ? It will be a great plot twist imo

[Anonymous No.13390202]

>>13390145
>"Wow anon you are so smart reading that on the beach. But come on, let's go for a swim, or play some volleyball! Enjoy the summer!"

[Anonymous No.13390211]

>>13390106
the real problem is people naturally gravitate towards things and people they relate to. As a result, the upper management of most publishing companies (and indeed most companies in general), are going to be pretty homogenous because people similar to the CEOs are more likely to befriend said CEOs and thus more likely to move up in the world. As a result, the racial demographics of a board of editors, or board of directors is going to be skewed heavily towards the majority, and the gender demographics are going to skew heavily towards whoever was there first

Since now your entire board of editors is mostly white dudes, they're going to favor stories that they're familiar with, which is why we have so much generic european epic fantasy. People are now complaining that it's too homogenous, so these boards of editors are going out of their way to publish books with female, PoC or LGBT to appease the public, but they're not actually changing their own internal structure. As a result, they have representation quotas instead of just choosing the best books.

[Anonymous No.13390219]

>>13390211
>Since now your entire board of editors is mostly white dudes, they're going to favor stories that they're familiar with, which is why we have so much generic european epic fantasy.
Interesting hypothesis. What non-generic non-yuro stories did they pass up on?

[Anonymous No.13390277]

>>13390211
>generic european epic fantasy
Best kind of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13390283]

>>13390219
kind of a loaded question anon. that's like saying "interesting hypothesis. What evidence did you NOT find". You by definition can't name that evidence because you didn't find it. You only found the absence of it.

What we're talking about here isn't a specific event that we know all the details of, it's attempting to explain a correlation between two anomalous data points. Alternatively, you can just say that women and minorities suck at writing and leading companies which equally explains the data, but the reason we avoid that is because you're not really helping anyone by doing so. The fact of the matter is that way of thinking can only lead to disqualifying decent authors for arbitrary reasons they have no control over, which is just pointlessly unfair...

...and that would be a bad thing

[Anonymous No.13390319]

>>13390283
Maybe women should write about stuff we wabt ti read about and do stuff like romance writers hiding behind female pen names. What can you do?

[Anonymous No.13390327]

I finally finished A Scanner Darkly from the read along.... Are all the discussions archived? :'(

[Anonymous No.13390328]

Alright /sffg/, the MC of the last book you read just got hit by Truck-kun and got isekai'd into the first novel series you read before that.

What the fuck is MC doing now?

[Anonymous No.13390341]

>>13390328
>tavi in ender's game

He would have been just as successful as ender without committing xenocide

[Anonymous No.13390370]

>>13390328
Severian is teaching the Greeks about vaulted ceilings and getting into wacky adventures with his foil.

[Anonymous No.13390372]

>>13390010
Big problem is it's not very space efficient. I'd have to make it twice as big to fit everything in there and have the covers still be legible.

[Anonymous No.13390385]

>>13390283
>Alternatively, you can just say that women and minorities suck at writing

And that would be a plain statement of the fact.
The greatest female writers are merely above-average when compared to males, because there are fewer intellectual outliers among women. And even then, nearly all of the best ones wrote for children.
As about "minorities", gee whiz, I wonder if low-IQ populations with a tradition of contempt for bookish learning, make an inordinate percentage of good writers!

>The fact of the matter is that way of thinking can only lead to disqualifying decent authors for arbitrary reasons they have no control over, which is just pointlessly unfair.

Unlike diversity quotas, "we are not interested in your softcore porn/grievance-mongering, and neither is our target audience" is in no way arbitrary or unfair.

[Anonymous No.13390394]

>>13390328
>edwin windsor in broken empire
couldnt be more radically different setting probably. i cant even fucking imagine how that would look like.

[Anonymous No.13390416]

>>13390283
You're acting as if the null hypothesis is something like "the demographic spread of writers in a certain genre will closely match the demographic spread of the general population," which is missing a few steps. Remember, minorities in the West have typically been lower-income and lower-literacy, and while there have always been voracious readers from all walks of life those with the time and energy to become writers tend to be a few socio-economic steps up.

I'm also wary of your point that "they're going to favor stories that they're familiar with." Fantasy and science fiction editors have often been notable xenophiles. There really wasn't much "generic european fantasy" before Sword of Shannara, which was saved from the slush pile by a cynical Lester del Rey who wanted it marketed to people who had finished Lord of the Rings for the 39th time and were waiting a bit before their 40th. Fantasy was kind of in a ghetto at the time, to the extent that Anne McCaffrey had to write science fiction elements into the Dragonriders of Pern series... which, come to think of it, was woman-centric.

Remember that there *have* been women and minority writers all along, though they often wrote about white men because they acknowledged that that represented the bulk of their readership, though not always. There were movements to diversify SFF in the 60s, and New Wave is notorious for its alphabet soup protagonists. They couldn't compete with the schlock that Shannara opened the door for, though. I'd say the evidence suggests market forces bent the formerly diverse-for-fun fantasy industry around themselves, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.13390420]

>>13390328
Philip Marlowe is solving fantasy land gangster murders and banging sluts

[Anonymous No.13390421]

>>13389882
That depends on if you love SUBVERTING DEM EXPECTATIONS. I will say this about First Law: I don't remember it being a slog like all the other grimderp I've read.

[Anonymous No.13390423]

>>13390319
White CEOs have magic power to see past pen names, anon.

[Anonymous No.13390429]

>>13390421
Book two was such an awful slog, what are you talking about. I still can’t believe I made it through that mess.

[Anonymous No.13390430]

>>13390010
>>13390372
Thing about charts like this is that you have to be transparent about your selection. You're not going to fit every single possible /sffg/ entry on a single jpeg, so you have to consider what subcategory you do want to include. Broad entry-level stuff? A specific subgenre? A specific era? Stuff by a particular writer or cadre of writers? Right now all you're categorizing is "stuff anon likes", which will only really interest you.

[Anonymous No.13390435]

>>13390430
Anon could claim to be a big-titted goth girl and call it "big-titted goth girl recs" and the background of the chart would be a goth girl with large breasts

[Anonymous No.13390452]

>>13390435
sounds like good marketing to me

[Anonymous No.13390457]

>>13390385
Don't you have infographs to make about how America is "not falling"?

[Anonymous No.13390458]

>>13390435
Sure but then people would expect a chart categorizing different books about big-tittied goths.

Honestly a chart ranking items by grimdarkness and perceived quality isn't a bad idea, but it's a bit too broad for individual books. Ranking authors in a specific subgenre along those gradients would be more effective.

[Anonymous No.13390463]

>>13390435
>tfw goth bimbo GF

[Anonymous No.13390468]

>>13390283
>but the reason we avoid that is because you're not really helping anyone by doing so.
Actually anon we don't massage data to make anyone feel better

[Anonymous No.13390488]

>>13390328
The barrow has like 10 MCs, who do I pick?

[Anonymous No.13390497]

>>13390372
>the last wtf are those thing's faces

[Anonymous No.13390510]

>>13390385
anon, let's be honest. We both know you don't have any objective way to measure the quality of literature beyond "I like it" or "I don't like it". the quality of writing is a human construct with no numerical basis in either natural or artifiical reality. You can argue with that if you like, but I'd rather approach the situation constructively than play pigeon chess.

The simple truth is that we as a society have come to the agreement that an egalitarian approach is the one least likely to result in internal conflict, and most likely to result in a high quality of life and literature. Therefore, we try to give everyone the same opportunities and then let an individual's merits take their course. we avoid the racist or sexist explanation because they can't be applied to reality without disenfranchising individuals who have created something useful and depriving the public of the same. This is typically referred to by sociologists as "fucking shit up senpai," and is frowned up on polite society

>>13390416
As I said before, it's possible my explanation is wrong or incomplete, the reason I approach it this way is because I believe this explanation is the most pragmatic. I don't see a societal benefit in endorsing an explanation that might discourage decent authors from writing or encourage publishers to disregard them. In the end, only the result matters.

>>13390468
data isn't being massaged anon, it's being interpreted without alteration or dismissal. That is unless of course you're referring to data about the quality of women or minority authors, which as I discussed before is entirely subjective and cannot be discussed in a rational context because it lacks a rational basis

[Anonymous No.13390521]

>>13390510
>it's being interpreted without alteration or dismissal.
Actually you've just been elevating anecdotes to data and suggesting solutions based on it. Thanks for erasing generations of womameme authors btw

[Anonymous No.13390526]

>>13390521
no anecdotes have been discussed anon. I recommend you read my posts before commenting further

[Anonymous No.13390529]

Both of you just skip to the end and start making out.

[Anonymous No.13390536]

>>13390526
Your just-so story about white dudes who want to read other white dudes was hard data? Come on.

[Anonymous No.13390545]

>>13390536
This doesn't sound like making out anon.

[Anonymous No.13390552]

>tfw real data about the race of science fiction authors is hard to find because a lot of the time publishers don't even know
>tfw one of the biggest pulp heroes (Eric John Stark) was black and written by a woman
>tfw libs refuse to acknowledge this even though it doesn't even hurt their narrative much

[Anonymous No.13390556]

>>13390536
bravo anon. You've got me. My interpretation of data isn't itself data. That was my fundamental failing.

drat, well, I'll show myself out.

[Anonymous No.13390560]

>>13390556
Your interpretation of what data? What are the percentages? What are your sources?

[Anonymous No.13390583]

>>13390556
>gets confronted with evidence the "pale stale male" wave in fantasy is a new thing
>I'M NOT WRONG I GOT DATA

[Anonymous No.13390585]

>>13390560

>>13389943
>Any of you fuckers work at Indigo? What's with the surge in fantasy novels set in worlds inspired by East Asian culture? And why 3/4 of every bestseller now a woman.

this data primarily. Admittedly it's not complete data, but as the author declined to provide a source for their claims, the burden of proof rests on them

[Anonymous No.13390593]

WHAT ARE SOME SCIFI BOOKS ABOUT SENTIENT PLANTS.

[Anonymous No.13390615]

>>13390585
Wiiild speculation from there anon, would suggest you restrain yourself to avoid future embarrassment.

>>13390593
Speaker for the Dead.

[Anonymous No.13390617]

>>13390429
I said I don't REMEMBER it being a slog. Whereas grimderp like Malazan and Prince of Nothing were terrible slogs I distinctly remember.

[Anonymous No.13390647]

>>13390615
anon, I think by this point I've already proven that we're doing nothing but speculating based on evidence that we pulled out of our asses. You cold still trounce me if you back up your claims with evidence, but frankly, I'm getting tired of this discussion and it would do us all good to start admitting our defeats. It means in the future these disagreements can be more civil and rational, not to mention productive.

gg

[Anonymous No.13390694]

Can I get a recc for a shorter/medium length stand alone fantasy book? Serious - no comedy. Something considered more of a classic would be preferable. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.13390700]

>>13390694
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson

[Anonymous No.13390733]

>>13390593
Xianxia

[Anonymous No.13391016]

>>13390593
FUCK TREES AND FUCK FLOWERS

[Anonymous No.13391031]

>>13390430
I was thinking lesser known books and short story collections, or at least ones that don't get mentioned often. Most of us here have either read or heard enough about the more popular stuff to know if we want to read it. Also no need to rec Shadow of the Torturer, Dune, Prince of Nothing, etc as they're discussed almost every thread
>>13390435
I like the way you think, Anon

[Anonymous No.13391075]

>>13390497
It's a short story collection. As far as I remember the covers don't directly reflect the content. I think the age of the guy roughly corresponds to the age of Clark Ashton Smith at the time the stories were published

[Anonymous No.13391094]

>>13390328
>Ista from Paladin of Souls is now in The Night Land
If she keeps her abilities, she might be the hope the last humans are waiting for. If she doesn't, rip.

[Anonymous No.13391232]

Just finished pic related. Really interesting mix of influences in this one, mostly sci-fi, but elements of horror and gibson-style cyberpunk at points.

[Anonymous No.13391253]

>>13391016
Okay Once-ler

[Anonymous No.13391269]

I'm trying The Thief after seeing it praised two threads ago and then popping up in again on another site. So far I'm not impressed, but we'll see where this goes

[Anonymous No.13391380]

>>13385663
Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.
hpmor.com
Trust me.

[Anonymous No.13391421]

>>13390593
Semiosis

[Anonymous No.13391435]

>>13391269
The Thief is YA. Like the Chronicles of Amber, it starts out like shite and it gets more enjoyable as time goes on.

[Anonymous No.13391450]

>>13391269
I also wouldn't read it if you aren't the target demographic (YA). There are many more interesting books out there. While I enjoyed it (wasn't in the thread discussing it), I certainly would say that the subsequent books not including the first one are good, it's not a great book. The world doesn't feel big.

[Anonymous No.13391502]

>>13383751
Literotica?

[Anonymous No.13391512]

>>13385663
listen to this guy >>13391380 only if you prefer to be enlightened by your own intelligence and not any kind of phony (((magic))) and "wonder"

[Anonymous No.13391560]

>>13383751
Literally Literotica

[Anonymous No.13391685]

>>13390510
>anon, let's be honest. We both know you don't have any objective way to measure the quality of literature beyond "I like it" or "I don't like it". the quality of writing is a human construct with no numerical basis in either natural or artifiical reality.

But there is. And that is popularity retained over time. Authors may ride a wave of hype during their life, because they correctly guessed the lowest common denominator of the time or gave a really good blowjob to their publishing house's head, but only literary merit can keep them remembered once their generation is gone.

Now, how many famous female writers of XIX century you can name without resorting to Google? And inb4 muh oppression, it is known for a fact that by mid-XIX century at the latest females wrote and got published more than males, it is just that out of all the waves romance schlock, as endless as they are today, only Jane Austin remains well-remembered.

>The simple truth is that we as a society have come to the agreement that an egalitarian approach is the one least likely to result in internal conflict, and most likely to result in a high quality of life and literature.

Who are those "we"? You cannot be speaking of USA, because in its entire history there wasn't a single year without legal discrimination, only the privileged categories have changed.

And while you're speaking about egalitarianism, what you're actually de-facto saying is that currently privileged groups should get more unmerited privileges.

[Anonymous No.13391788]

>>13391685
>Jane Austin
It's Jane Austen, you retard. Also, I have many words to say about shit authors that don't only involve the female ones.

Modern fantasy birthed Brandon Sanderson who can't write anything which isn't cardboard for shit. Patrick Rothfuss, who stopped writing because he wrote himself into a hole and might as well kill himself. Joe Abercrombie, whose story lines aren't even as interesting as anything. Terry Pratchett who is overrated and not actually funny. Gene Wolfe who has interesting ideas but can't seem to put together a plot that interests anyone except a brick wall. Jack Vance who had interesting worldbuilding but his plots completely failed him. Brent Weeks who writes like xXxDarkCorruptionxXx or just one entire book about pussy. Michael J. Sullivan who sucks dick at writing and I just don't like his books. Jim Butcher - Urban Fantasy is shit as a fuck. Josiah Bancroft - I dropped his books because nothing was happening. Frank Herbert - His prose is godawful. Mark Lawrence - Another overrated Reddit author. Pierce Brown - Should kill himself for writing Ready Player One. Dan Simmons - Who turned his great book series into a fanfiction parody of himself. Nicholas Eames - All worldbuilding and shitty jokes, no substance. Brian McClellan - I just don't actually like any of his characters - Rent free. Douglas Adams - There is no emotional weight to his books at all. Glen Cook - Holy shit, where is the prose? Robert Jackson Bennett - If I wanted to watch capeshit, I would watch it. Iain M. Banks -Alastair Reynolds is so much of a better writer than this guy. And the list just goes on and on. Mieville and Wright just do nothing except annoy me.

99% of books don't even make it past the summary inspection. Of those non dropped authors, 50% of books are dropped at the first page. Of those surviving books 50% of them are dropped at the third chapter. Of those books about 80% of them are mediocre, 15% are good, 4% of them are great and 1% of them are outstanding.

I outright hate the works of most authors in some way, male or female because they're simply not good enough. In some ways, Japanese manga and anime produced by both males and females authors are producing far more interesting worldbuilding than their western counterparts because the west manufactures scifi and fantasy in a far too sterile manner. When was the last time I actually liked modern scifi? Probably Alastair Reynolds. The last time I liked modern fantasy? Probably Susanna Clarke. I haven't found anything interesting actually good in months and most of them either write garbage or end up writing garbage eventually.

[Anonymous No.13391828]

What more books do you like based anon?

[Anonymous No.13391835]

>>13391788
Foaming at the mouth, throwing shit at every male author you can remember, and being Captain Obvious regarding the fact that most of everything is shit, does not in fact address my question.

[Anonymous No.13391849]

>>13391788
What books do you like?

[Anonymous No.13391879]

>>13386314
I have read it 4 or so times and is easily one of the best works of science fiction / fantasy out there.
It can easily stand alone.

[Anonymous No.13391884]

>>13389512
This is a great book.
I read this on a terrible 4 hour stopover in Hong Kong and it saved me. Aldiss is brilliant and is a fine cure for the POS tranny all female young adult genre shit we are expected to buy and vote for now.

[Anonymous No.13391897]

>>13390328
>Autarch Severian joins Muad'Dib's Jihad

This universe ain't big enough for 2 Messiah figures

[Anonymous No.13391923]

>>13391849
I think the only one he left out was PKD.

[Anonymous No.13391932]

>>13391923
He didn't include Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein either.

[Anonymous No.13391941]

>>13391788
lol pseud

[Anonymous No.13392038]

>>13391835
Why don't you begin by describing what books you like?

[Anonymous No.13392080]

>>13392038
Why don't you, you shitflinging chimp?

[Anonymous No.13392087]

>>13392080
>anon, let's be honest. We both know you don't have any objective way to measure the quality of literature beyond "I like it" or "I don't like it". the quality of writing is a human construct with no numerical basis in either natural or artifiical reality.
And then you responded with
>But there is. And that is popularity retained over time.
Let's hear your OBJECTIVE QUALITY MEASURE shitflinging chimp.

[Anonymous No.13392104]

>>13391923
>>13391932
Liked (although it's fair to say that each of them had their own issues. For example, the issue that lets Reynolds down is that his people could use more peopling, Susanna Clarke has pacing issues, PKD books really just need to be longer, sometimes Burroughs just wanders off forever, Strugatsky Bros have really bad english translations etc):

Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, PKD, Ray Bradbury, Daniel Keyes, William S. Burroughs, Strugatsky Bros, Lem, Aldiss, Harlan Ellison, Robert Silverberg, Zelazny, John Brunner, Philip Pullman, Cherryh, Hope Mirrlees, CS Friedman, Ada Palmer, GGK, Jasper Fforde, Alastair Reynolds, Susanna Clarke, Patricia A. McKillip

And yet more for the shitlist: Carol Berg (nothing happening: the novel), Robin Hobb (prose is far too bland), Le Guin (I liked her when I used to like Tolkien, but upon reflection both Tolkien and her suck), Katherine Addison (too slow), Naomi Novik (average as a fuck), Lois McMaster Bujold, Janny Wurts, Ann Leckie (shit ending), Courtney Schafer (boring worldbuilding) and NK Jemisin (shit ending). There are plenty more authors I actively dislike and even more that need just a bit of nudging in the plot, worldbuilding, characterisation, prose, etc department

[Anonymous No.13392116]

And one of the biggest issues I find with books, is that the plot doesn't stretch to fit into a trilogy or some shit. Your one book's worth of plot just gets stretched ad infinitum. People write more for money and it just turns into pagecount filler.

And then even the most awfully shit author in existence bribes a bunch of monkeying retards to give their shit book great reviews. Whoever invented eARC reviewing was absolutely devilish. Now they don't need to pay any actual critics, they can just give reviewers the """"privilege"""" of reading the book early to people who review it positively or suck the publishing house's dick and withhold books from people who actually want to read it for months.

Fuck shit authors
and most of all FUCK eARCs

[Anonymous No.13392125]

>>13385134
Suldrun's Garden.

[Anonymous No.13392161]

>>13386314
Man I love God Emperor, Leto II is such a good character.

>Leto knew then that he had encountered a condition for which no antidote existed-past. present or future. His great body trembled and shivered in the gloom of his audience chamber.
>At the portal, one Fish Speaker guard whispered to another: "Is God troubled?"
>And her companion replied: "The sins of this universe would trouble anyone."
>Leto heard them and wept silently

[Anonymous No.13392189]

Started reading Flowers for Algernon, enjoying it a lot and the way it is written took a while to get used too but I am liking it. Charlie's co-workers are huge assholes.

[Anonymous No.13392193]

>>13392189
Based Keyes claims another anon.

[Anonymous No.13392197]

>>13392193

Do the co-workers who made fun of him at the bar get seriously wounded or have something bad happen to them later on?

[Anonymous No.13392204]

>>13392197
I don't want to spoil it for you anon. Keep reading. I was put off by the writing style at the beginning too but it proved to be worth persevering through. It's an amazing story.

[Anonymous No.13392418]

>>13391788
I know you think you are clever for putting Sanderson on your shit list, cosmerefag. But you outted yourself when you mentioned your love for Alastair Reynolds. You are the only anon who reads and likes Alastair Reynolds, it's why you never find anyone to discuss it with, cosmerefag.

[Anonymous No.13392611]

>>13392087
That would be me, not the anon who responded to you.

>But there is. And that is popularity retained over time.
>Let's hear your OBJECTIVE QUALITY MEASURE shitflinging chimp.

Do you have genuine mental problems? Why you are demanding something that was already provided in the phrase you quoted? What my subjective personal tastes may possibly have to do with the objective fact of authors withstanding the test of time or not? Do you like your question being answered with questions?

[Anonymous No.13392679]

>>13391685
Virginia Wolfe, Jane Eyre, Charolette Bronte, Mary Shelly, Sylvia Plath, Sappho, and the woman who wrote The Tale of Genji all come to mind, and I don't even read classical literature.

[Anonymous No.13392707]

>>13392679
>Sappho
>Murasaki
>XIX
I get your point though, there've always been memale writers and the idea that some stuffy boardroom of old white men has been tossing out manuscripts is pure propaganda.
>muh shakespeare's sister
>durr who was juana inez de la cruz

[Anonymous No.13392743]

If you're a fag that doesn't pirate, Will Wight is putting up all his Cradle books up for free download on the 4th.

[Anonymous No.13392868]

>>13392707
anon, the sheer fact there are people like you implies there would be editors that share your opinions. Whether consciously or unconsciously, those dudes are going to have a bias when selecting manuscripts

[Anonymous No.13392924]

>>13391232
I have had this on my shelf for a while, what are the cyberpunk aspects of it? I''ve been binging on that stuff lately

[Anonymous No.13392979]

>>13383701
How dark and gruesome are we talking about?

Worse than Berserk?

[Anonymous No.13393270]

>>13392979
It’s about the same imo.

[Anonymous No.13393307]

>>13391788
The fact that you consider Alastair Reynolds to be head and shoulders the best SF writer living or dead, combined with the fact that you think 99% of prose SF is shit but don't see that this is ever more true of fucking manga, should let everyone else know that you're a fucking pseud and really ought to clue you in that there's something wrong with your ability to comprehend written material if you have any self-awareness.

If this is a troll then 10/10.

[Anonymous No.13393320]

>>13392104
>>13392116
When I write my burgerpunk book, I would love a review by you.

[Anonymous No.13393401]

>>13393320
>let's have this miserable cynical fuck rate my book

I agree tebehe. But his taste is shit.

[Anonymous No.13393496]

>>13393320
>burgerpunk
Tell me more. Does it take place in Corpus Christi? That'st the most stereotypically Ameriburger city I've ever been in.

[Anonymous No.13393500]

>>13392979
It's about on par with Berserk, but unlike Berserk it's very dull and pretentious. Grimderp is infinitely more tolerable in comic book form because of the art.

[Anonymous No.13393533]

Move over Sanderfag there's a new Mormon on the block.

[Anonymous No.13393534]

>>13393533
Those are the most generic fantasy titles I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.13393567]

>>13393533
>chad brooks is his actual name

[Anonymous No.13393573]

>>13393533
>EVERFALL
>SHAD
Starring
young adult male chosen by fate to wield a powersword
Based blackman
Tsundere childhood friend

[Anonymous No.13393583]

>>13393500
Also the first arc of Berserk is Sword & Sorcery as fuck and therefor BASED.

[Anonymous No.13393600]

>>13383735
I only read vintage porn novels.
It's fun to see what boomers masturbated back in the day,there is an insane amount of incest in those books.
I guess we where always degenerates.
>>13393583
Wtf i love berserk now?

[Anonymous No.13393632]

I used the NPR flowchart thing and ended up with sanderfag because I tried reading GoT and couldn't get past the interracial loli x ugly bastard scene in the first 80 pages. I read the way of kings, the prose was shit, but now I'm sucked into the fucking story. Am I alone here? I just finished Words of Radiance and I am going to continue, sadly, because I am a weak brainlet, and I do not recommend this series to anyone, but can someone let me know that at least I'm not alone in my brainletdom? Some of you fags read him here, right? Please?

[Anonymous No.13393644]

>>13393600
>Wtf i love berserk now?
The arc even opens with a scene clearly ripped off from the Conan the Barbarian film with Guts having sex with a monster woman; just like Conan having sex with that demonic witch bitch.

[Anonymous No.13393650]

Is 'City at the End of Time' worth the read? Seems like a cool story, but I get a lot of conflicting reviews from people.

[Anonymous No.13393651]

>>13393632
also at least he isn't as bad as this shit: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26892110-the-library-at-mount-char and this somehow got recommended

[Anonymous No.13393683]

>>13392743
>Will Wight is putting up all his Cradle books up for free download on the 4th.
It has to be a promotion. That means cradle book 7 is indeed in August.
Get Hyped.

[Anonymous No.13393707]

>>13393632
I get what you mean, I read Way of Kings and Words of Radiance but ended up hard-skimming Oathbringer. Sanderson has terrible prose and his exposition is almost unbearable; he'll literally just pause the book to throw in either some useless shit about some tiny aspect of the world instead of simply showing us that's how things are, or he'll go on some diatribe about some ten layers deep magic system he uses.

God it's shit.

[Anonymous No.13393712]

>>13393651
You just have shot tastes.

[Anonymous No.13393732]

Just finished reading Rendezvous with Rama. Are the rest of the books worth reading?

[Anonymous No.13393738]

>>13393732
No. Just like Hyperion and dune, you only read the first book.

[Anonymous No.13393780]

>>13393732
The rest of the books are co-written with Gentry Lee. Like most of Clarke's co-authorships you get the impression that he just provided a few ideas and let the other guy write everything, and in this case it didn't work out very well.

[Anonymous No.13393857]

>>13393533
>mormon
>black on the cover
???

[Anonymous No.13393894]

>>13393632
Weak brainlets like us are his main audience. His characters are paper-thin, the basic plot is always by-the-numbers Hollywood dreck and the humor is literally, unironically Reddit. He overexplains his magic system to the point where you feel embarrassed for whomever needs such wanton hand-holding.
That said, the magic systems are amazingly consistent and well thought-out. Fights and spell usage makes sense. The Reddit humor genuinely hits the mark from time to time, and sometimes even melds well with the emotional beats of the story. Some of the simple and archetypal characters grow on you. Romance in his books is a breath of fresh air in these dark days where almost all fantasy wholly embraces degeneracy. And the cliche plots? Oh boy, it all comes together so well, so quickly, that by the end you've almost forgotten how retarded the middle was.
Don't feel bad for enjoying him. He's miles better than a dullard like Robin Hobb.

[Anonymous No.13393950]

>>13393857
mormons don't hate blacks, common misconception. What happens is that when a black guy gets baptised he comes out of the water as a white guy.

[Anonymous No.13393982]

>>13392979
It's close. PoN exceeds Berserk in overall depressive grimness. It doesn't quite reach the level of ultraviolence that Berserk does, but it also lacks the charm.

[Anonymous No.13393990]

>>13392979
In my opinion Berserk was never particularly dark, it just did not shy from demonstrating front and center gruesome details that most fantasy glossed over. I mean, given that the second significant character to be introduced, and in the very first chapter, is a winged fairy healbot we are assured from the beginning that evil does not have a monopoly on the supernatural.

Therefore Bakker is naturally darker.

[Anonymous No.13393994]

>>13393732
>Just finished reading Rendezvous with Rama.
I read this last month. Did you enjoy it? I was expecting more to be honest.

[Anonymous No.13394004]

>>13390328
The 8th Doctor into the world of Overlord.
Probably having a wacky universe saving adventure, then back home to the TARDIS with Sam Jones

[Anonymous No.13394017]

>>13393994
I was expecting more exploration and details being revealed as well but I still enjoyed it and was happy with how it ended.

[Anonymous No.13394025]

>>13394004
Wait sorry misread the question, thought it meant last iseaki series I read not last book, in that case It would be Doctor Who meets Charles Stross Accelarando.

[Anonymous No.13394035]

>>13391269
I put it down one day about halfway through and just never picked it up again.

[Anonymous No.13394036]

>>13393994
Not him but Clarke is a really boring writer. Sure, probably the most grounded and realistic of the old greats, especially in retrospect, but his peers mog him: Dick, Bester, Le Guin.
Full disclosure, I've only read Rendezvous, The Hammer of God (Rama: It's Just an Asteroid edition) and The Fountains of Paradise.

[Anonymous No.13394049]

>>13393683
Will is pretty good about sticking to a schedule. I don't think he's on the same level as sanderson but I think most of his cradle books have averaged a release of 6 months apart. Plus that april fools schedule he posted was mostly true

[Anonymous No.13394059]

>>13393632
GoT is the shit, homie. I too got tricked into Stormlight and now I'm stuck. The only redeeming part of the books are the kino as fuck fight scenes at the mid point and end of each book. The end of Oathbringer was particularly good. In any case, enjoy the 600 pages of Shallan trying to finger fuck a rock that fills all the pages in between

[Anonymous No.13394204]

>>13393632
>I used the NPR flowchart thing
Need to get rid of that fucking thing from the OP, it's fucking trash.

[Anonymous No.13394264]

>>13393632
>couldn't get past the interracial loli x ugly bastard scene
Pleb.

[Anonymous No.13394300]

>>13384453
Clark Ashton Smith stories have great wizards.

[Anonymous No.13394302]

>>13394036
I enjoyed 2001, 2010, and Earthlight, but just not Rama so much

[Anonymous No.13394426]

A NEW HOME FOR ALL THE SPECIAL KIDS

>>13394421
>>13394421
>>13394421
>>13394421
>>13394421

[Anonymous No.13394555]

>>13393533
So is it good?

Anyone have a link to this?

[Anonymous No.13394566]

>>13394555
>Anyone have a link to this?
yes