/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13378741]

Are we a Marxist board frens?

[Anonymous No.13378746]

What would be nice is if more than 10% of /lit/ had read Marx

[Anonymous No.13378752]

Nope. I kind of hate marxists.

[Anonymous No.13378762]

Um no sweetie. /lit/ is a monarchist board.

[Anonymous No.13378763]

>>13378746
What would be nice is if 99% of members here read books

[Anonymous No.13378765]

[Anonymous No.13378773]

>>13378741
>hello fellow frens

[Anonymous No.13378776]

>>13378741
It is kind of interesting how 4chan's smartest board is its most left-wing

[Anonymous No.13378783]

>>13378776
Hey Poltard

[Anonymous No.13378796]

Reminder that the left has all the intellectuals and all of the talent

[Anonymous No.13378823]

>>13378741
Since the Frankfurt school there has been a lot of Marxist readings of art and mainly literature. Of course these optics are welcome in some cases but it's really empovereshing for art if there's ONLY marxist interpretations, since there's so many different visions aspects to it, and literature doesn't have a fixed purpose. So no.

[Anonymous No.13378852]

This isn't a Marxist board but we'll let you in because it is a big cock in your ass board and you have that covered.

[Anonymous No.13378856]

>>13378746
>>13378763
this

>>13378741
About 5 years ago this board was at least half, if not more, strongly leftist. During gamergate when cripplechan got a lot more traffic /lit/ leftists migrated to /leftypol/, basically founding the place. /leftypol/ was originally a left/lit/ colony, and you can still see the similarities. Since then however /lit/ has cultivated many religious, occultist, traditionalist, and fascist elements, and all combinations therein. Tho this board was better when it was Marxist, there's some good occult traditionalist and religious effortposters around and I'd like them to stay.

[Anonymous No.13378886]

>>13378856
oh also Stirner was born from left/lit/ seeing Engels' doodles of course, idk if newfriends are even aware of that

[Anonymous No.13378916]

Did the lefties get btfo in another thread and have to make another retcon thread?

[Anonymous No.13378918]

>>13378856
For a good two years /lit/ was a whatever-girardfag-believes-in board

[Anonymous No.13378930]

Surprisingly, no. Though discord trannies and /leftypol/ try their hardest to make it so.

[Anonymous No.13379077]

>>13378762
>Machiavelli
>pro-monarchy
uhhh what

[Anonymous No.13379216]

>>13378930
This board is high IQ and therefore it is left.
The right is dumb and everything about them is stupid. Search idiot on Google and you'll find Donald trump's picture because he's a fucking idiot. Sometimes we let low IQ people like you play around and feel like you're in charge while we move the world more left. The world has only gotten more left since its entire inception. We rule this planet you're just living in it.

[Anonymous No.13379228]

>>13379216
I disagree with this worldview that right-wing people are inherently dumb, but seeing you, an obvious right-wing troll trying to impersonate a smug leftist and failing pathetically, is making me reconsider it, at least regarding the American right.

[Anonymous No.13379239]

>>13379228
this some low IQ shit right here briuh bruh

[Anonymous No.13379258]

>>13379216
Very conservative people are, in most cases, too dumb to fall for Progressivism (and that's a good thing). It's the people in the 115-130 area that you've got to watch out for.

[Anonymous No.13379267]

>marxist
>fren
uhh anon

[Anonymous No.13379280]

>>13379228
>No you
The data says the right wing is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.13379286]

>>13379258
>High IQ bad
Typical stupid right winger. There's nothing to discuss when dealing with a right winger because he's fucking stupid.
People with higher IQ should be the only ones with weapons in this world so we can defend against low IQ right wingers

[Anonymous No.13379295]

>>13379286
115-130 is the range where you're just smart enough to convince yourself of stupid things through mental gymnastics. Very dangerous indeed.

[Anonymous No.13379307]

>>13379295
That's actually the best IQ range and most doctors, engineers and STEM university professors fall in that range.

[Anonymous No.13379318]

>>13379307
>Doctors
Most doctors are kind of terrible.
>Engineers
Not that intellectually intensive really, and the ones making the real advancements are probably above 130
>STEM
only in Biology are they that low. In physics or math the average among people producing research of note is probably around 160.

[Anonymous No.13379323]

>>13378796
>all these continental brainlets
Hahaha

[Anonymous No.13379327]

>>13379307
>best iq range
>working jobs

[Anonymous No.13379341]

>>13379318
You're grasping for straws. First set of Keywords: real advancements. Second set of keywords :research of note.

Textbook nazi talking points of assuming you and I have already agreed on the fact that most doctors, engineers and scientists are useless. And that is wrong. We agreed to no such thing.

[Anonymous No.13379344]

>>13379327
It's called building a civilization. It's not billionaires that created the modern world. It was actually people that aren't leeches.

[Anonymous No.13379346]

>>13378776
The smartest and most Marxist board is /biz/. Chainlink is mooning and it's business proposition is to reduce the capitalist profits even more by disseminating information to enable invidualized means of production.

[Anonymous No.13379349]

>>13379346
Holy shit I just refreshed and link keeps going up. I'm fucking rich. What's happening.

[Anonymous No.13379351]

Leftism is just another way for the smart to control the stupid. Power structure is inherent and inescapable. Hierarchy is inherent, communism is impossible, stop being retarded.

[Anonymous No.13379352]

>>13379341
I'm talking about physicists with a high h-index, for example. Most people with an IQ of 130 probably couldn't even finish the first-year graduate student curriculum in physics, and would get BTFO by something not so hard like Jackson's Electrodynamics.

[Anonymous No.13379356]

>>13379349
The neoliberals are jumping the shop for crypto-marxism.

[Anonymous No.13379364]

>>13379356
I'm still below my all time high from 2017 but link is going to 1000 so I don't mind. It's nice to meet a fellow communist owning link.

[Anonymous No.13379382]

>>13379352
I doubt that. Merkel is probably under 130 and she's a PhD in physics

[Anonymous No.13379393]

>>13379382
Physical Chemistry. BIG difference. Biology and Chemistry (more so Chemistry nowadays) drag down the average IQ in STEM.

[Anonymous No.13379426]

>>13379364
Same. I sold at 2017 ath to pay off two semesters worth of debt. I'm overwhelmingly in green thanks to my Marxist understanding of economy and exploiting it in CryptoCurrency markets.

[Anonymous No.13379436]

>>13379346
>>13379349
NOOO I THINK LINK WAS A MEME

[Anonymous No.13379452]

>>13378741
We are certainly left sympathetic

[Anonymous No.13379471]

>>13379318
>tfw 135let
is there a feel worse than this?

[Anonymous No.13379475]

>>13378741

No "marxist" would use or identify with the term "marxist".

[Anonymous No.13379479]

>>13379471
135 is fine.

[Anonymous No.13379482]

>>13379475
It's like using the term "darwinist". Only disingenuous or simple minded people would use it.

[Anonymous No.13379508]

>>13379426
Well that's great. All I have is 1k because I just wanted a million.

>>13379436
Idiot. It was cheap. You could have bought just 1k incase it became something. I dunno what to say to you. We told you to buy it for 2 years.

[Anonymous No.13379545]

>>13378741
Reminder that if you are white and in any way interested in leftist politics your first and foremost priority is to come to terms with your own whiteness and heal from your own internalised prejudices. People of colour, trans people and queers wont take abstract rambling about muh spectacle muh capitalism consumerism and muh culture industry seriously. Why? Because they have real issues to worry about like not getting fucking murdered by people who look like you.thats why I'm really wary of 4chan white straight guy 'marxists' most of the time the 'marxism' just seems like a rationalisation for their actual shitty reactionary opinions

[Anonymous No.13379548]

>>13379508
I remember when it was like $0.2, oh well

[Anonymous No.13379553]

/lit/ and /mu/ are easily the most leftist boards I know of. Of course there are a ton of different posters though

[Anonymous No.13379561]

>>13378796
5/9 committed suicide
4/9 jewish
None made any falsifiable empirically testable statements ever

The absolute state of the left

[Anonymous No.13379577]

>>13379548
Holding is the best policy.

[Anonymous No.13379591]

>>13379216
What about reactionaries? They tend to be pretty smart.

[Anonymous No.13379623]

>>13378796
I'm writing my doctoral thesis on 'poptimism as a queer utopian imaginary' spoiler: Adorno gets called out for his obvious racism and queerphobia, turns out the grammies are more radical than schoenberg and beyonce more 'punk' than any given set of white guys with guitars putting into question the last 100 years of leftist cultural criticism as crypto reactionary white supremacist and exposing 'consumerism' as a gendered and racialised concept. Theres nothing more exhilarating than taking on

[Anonymous No.13379730]

>>13379216
>>13379591
Both marxists and reactionaries tend to be antisocial white guys who might be clever but far less than they think they are. The real galaxy brains dont do extremism or fall for obvious russian psyops. I'm a progresive JFK democrat: a believer in global markets, inclusive sustainable growth, intersectional feminism and a muscular foreign policy that stands up for democracy and liberal values, i believe the CIA is a force for good along with Google the FBI, NYT, Goldman Sachs, etc. i also think political correctness is actually good. I went to an ivy league school, i have had constructive discussions about microloan women empowerment in africa with bono and christine lagarde over a bottle of swiss schnapps at davos. I can assure you the system works, we just have to get the machine learning algorithms up and running, achieve 50/50 gender parity in our boardrooms, and get china to embrace democracy and we will get there.

[Anonymous No.13379756]

>>13379730
based but bluepilled

[Anonymous No.13379760]

>>13378776
>/lit/
>left-wing
c r i n g e

[Anonymous No.13379799]

Anyone else catch the latest chapo episode XD? OwO :P

[Anonymous No.13379809]

>>13379452
Broke 'antimperialist' teenage edgelord who makes excuses for dictatorship and terrorism, somehow thinks china and russia are still communist and not right wing oligarchies lowkey antisemitism and contempt for democracy, geopolitics indistinguishable from the duginist far right, minimises or outright denies russian interference, unironically gets news from fake news propaganda outlets like rt or telesur

Woke liberal interventionist adult. Knows democracy is a force for good and american power is to be wielded responsibly and for progressive ends is beyond simplistic cold war narratives gets news only from trusted outlets like the new york times or the economist. Understands the iraq war was justified

[Anonymous No.13379814]

>>13379760

[Anonymous No.13379825]

>>13379809
Liberals don't understand diminishing returns and 'sola dosis facit venenum'. This is why they will doom us in the end.

[Anonymous No.13379828]

>>13378741
The Republic is sacred, you filthy tankie

[Anonymous No.13379844]

>>13379730
Voting center is dumb though. If you want influence you should always vote fringe.

[Anonymous No.13379847]

>>13378746
As soon as you read ten percent of Marx. That dude wrote too much. I'd of preferred aphorism and jokes. Dude's got too much science on the mind to convince me that his system of thought is anything to ascribe to the actual day to day world.

[Anonymous No.13379848]

>>13379799
Do you go to chapotraphouse too?
A fellow chapofag

[Anonymous No.13379854]

>>13378763
Today I read three poems and a lot of comments. I feel I'm at par.

[Anonymous No.13379861]

>>13378741
fuck off back to pol, Ivan

[Anonymous No.13379862]

>>13378796
And the right all the guns, money, and women.

[Anonymous No.13379864]

>>13379825
Agreed. How do we make liberals see the light of socialism?

[Anonymous No.13379877]

>>13379864
Arrange a raid team from chapotraphouse to pink pill boards like /his/ that still have a /pol/ presence. The counter offence will begin. The Nazis have expanded far enough

[Anonymous No.13379882]

>>13379877
More like the definition of nazis have expanded far enough.

[Anonymous No.13379884]

>>13378746
Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Marx is like Freud to psychology ptolomeus to astronomy, or Lamarck to evolutionary biology. Fine for its time but superseeded a long time ago. Why read das kapital instead of 21st century economics? There is a particular set of leftists dogmatically obsessed with marx and freud, why not lamarck and ptolomeus and aristotelian physics? The divide is between those who are for rigor and empirically testable statements and those who are for bullshit and dogmas

[Anonymous No.13379893]

>>13379882
Ever the victim I see.

[Anonymous No.13379898]

>>13379884
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.13379902]

>>13379884
Lamarck was wrong. Germline mutations are spread to the next generation

[Anonymous No.13379937]

>>13378776
>4chan's smartest board

[Anonymous No.13379940]

>>13379884
This.
Can my fellow neo-keynesians give a hallelujah?

[Anonymous No.13379949]

>>13379864
Socialism is just one of many tools, and can't be the primary one. It's meaningless without an understanding of what behaviours are healthy in the long run for a civilization, and it's volatile when applied to non-homogenous populations. Lolbertarians are also correct about many of the advantages of markets... That may chage -- technology may make planning vastly more appealing at some point -- but that is not yet our reality.

Now, assuming you weren't just baiting, the answer is:
We don't. Only the sledgehammer of reality can reckon with them.

[Anonymous No.13379956]

>>13379940
The only school that is close to Keynes is the Post-Keynesian school.

[Anonymous No.13379989]

>>13379864
Socialists are liberals who understand at some level the telos of liberalism leads to total atomisation, but insist on pursuing liberal ideas such as materialism, feminism, lgbt rights transgenderism, secularism, democracy, individualism, criticism of the monarchy and the papacy etc.

[Anonymous No.13380008]

>>13378741
>Are we a Marxist board frens?

Let's hope not. Inhuman dogma is the implacable enemy of art

[Anonymous No.13380020]

>>13379809
>Understands the iraq war was justified

Begone, neo-con/Zionist shill

[Anonymous No.13380039]

>>13380020
back to pol antisemite

[Anonymous No.13380045]

>>13380039
I’m antisimetic and have never browsed /pol/

[Anonymous No.13380053]

>>13378741
Can anyone recommend me a system of politics and economics which has the following components:
-everyone matters equally, sharing is the prime directive to be followed
-kindness and compassion function as currencies within the society, being seen as more meaningful than material resources
-spirituality is central, everyone has to honor the Divine and is expected to dedicate their lives to self-enlightenment.
-even the worst of political rivals treat eachother with tremendous compassion, everyone in government wears Buddhist robes and meditates together before their discourses

Anything like this? I want to be a Marxist because I want equality and to share with everyone else and for there to be no wealth disparity, but Marxism is also very violent and strictly materialistic without any spirituality. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.13380061]

>>13380053
Democratic confederalism, or maybe tolstoyan anarchism

[Anonymous No.13380065]

>>13378741
Naw, we a communitarianism board.

[Anonymous No.13380070]

>>13380053
See comment above. Anon knows.

[Anonymous No.13380081]

>>13380039
>back to pol antisemite

How do you intellectually justify to yourself the falsehood that anti-Zionism is somehow the same as anti-Semitism? I'm not complaining about the fact that a subset of Jews stole part of the Middle East for themselves and have oppressed the native population -- many other peoples throughout history have done the same thing; what I resent is that they would then hijack the government of a completely different country (the United States) in order to achieve their imperialist foreign policy goals. If you disagree, please explain rationally why, but spare us the scare-labels thanks

[Anonymous No.13380089]

>>13380053

It's impossible to have such a system without a set of shared values and (ideally) some kind of shared kinship as well, in which case you're looking at a small-scale commune at best

[Anonymous No.13380093]

>>13380081
>Jews stole part of the Middle East for themselves and have oppressed the native population
And are causing all the war in the middle east and terrorists

[Anonymous No.13380111]

>>13379848
Yeah, of course, comrade. These edgy chuds can’t handle our epic maymays and dank communism. Dirtbag left for the win. We’re radicals, we’re the resistance. Remember to support Chapo oh Patreon (TM), guys XD OwO :P

[Anonymous No.13380120]

>>13379989
socialists are not liberals, socialists stand for socialism which is

>The complete nationalization / collectivization of the MOP and industry / infrastructure

>The complete abolition of usury / fiat / rent and all forms of renumeration

>The total Democratization of the workplace and workers' self-management

you'd be hardpressed to find a liberal who stands for this and if you did, well you didn't find yourself a liberal

[Anonymous No.13380151]

>>13378796

[Anonymous No.13380199]

>>13380061
Tolstoyan anarchism sounds pretty neat, from the outside.

[Anonymous No.13380209]

>>13380120
Socialism and liberalism are both spawns of the same retarded whig thinking that wants to divide power into ever smaller pieces, much to everyone's detriment. They just disagree slightly with how fine the division should be.

[Anonymous No.13380215]

>>13380199

Especially if you still get to roger the peasant girls on your estate, as Tolstoy did (even if he did feel bad about it afterwards)

[Anonymous No.13380221]

>>13380209
>spawns of the same retarded whig thinking that wants to divide power into ever smaller pieces

I don't understand. Isn't highly localized self-government, i.e. that in which people sharing common values and interests delegate power to others whom they know and can hold personally accountable, the ultimate ideal?

[Anonymous No.13380242]

>>13380221
Yes, and that is why we should return to feudalism.

[Anonymous No.13380279]

>>13380242th

Wait, but isn't feudalism the rule by a class of landed aristocrats who *claim* that they've got your best interests at heart, but who every year skim off a huge amount of the crops you've grown by the sweat of your brow without ever making any kind of fucking effort themselves to help you out?

[Anonymous No.13380297]

>>13380120
>socialists are not liberals
>believing this in 2019

[Anonymous No.13380299]

Anonymous
06/29/19(Sat)11:55:17 No.13380279
kys

[Anonymous No.13380300]

>>13380279
That's just whig "history" talking.

[Anonymous No.13380317]

>>13380300
>That's just whig "history" talking

Could you rationally explain why I'm wrong, please? Scare-labels such as "whig" are no more meaningful to me than others such as "racist" or "sexist"

[Anonymous No.13380328]

>>13380242
Ok, knee peasant and show point me to your bride!

[Anonymous No.13380341]

>>13379077
>>13379344
>>13379577
>>13379799
>>13379844
>>13379877
>>13380111
>>13380199
>>13380299
>>13380300

[Anonymous No.13380356]

>>13380209
Mild socialism can just be a form of risk dispersion, it doesn't have to define the whole paradigm. Liberalism is different... It's not just some discrete theory or plan, it's a fundmanetal trend -- an element of human psychology. When humans get soft and spoiled (relatively speaking), they're always looking for the greener grass... It's never enough, and they'll throw all prudent caution to the wind in search of the next progressive milestone, the next 'freedom' (even if it involves destroying some other freedom).

Now, liberal ideas can confer some powerful advantages in the early and possibly middle stages, but the problem is that it just...doesn't...know...when...to...stop.

Sola dosis facit venenum