DURRR NO GOOD ARGUMENTS AGAINST ANTI NATALISM

[Anonymous No.13371699]

If life is suffering why don't you just kill yourself to put an end to your suffering?
>b-but I need to spread anti natalist ideas
Anti natalist ideas will lead others to suffer, as they say "ignorance is a bliss."
>b-but my friends and family will suffer
Kill them before you kill yourself.
>b-but their friends and family will suffer
That brings us back to the first point: life is suffering anyways so who cares if they suffer.

[Anonymous No.13371729]

>>13371699
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13371744]

OP you write like a 12yo

[Anonymous No.13371755]

it doesn't follow that because antinatalists don't kill themselves that their position produces a false conclusion

[Anonymous No.13371761]

>>13371699
>Get btfo in other thread
>Make a new thread where you can just set up a strawman instead of having to refute any actual points made by the antinatalists

[Anonymous No.13371770]

Reminder: Sage and report all off topic threads

[Anonymous No.13371803]

I'm not sure if antinatalism is eugenic. On one sense, it will mean less whiny nerds will be around in the future, but probably at the cost of some intelligence - though the intelligence of the antinatalist type is ostensibly completely useless aside from finding sophisticated ways to whine anyway.

[Anonymous No.13371818]

>>13371699
It's not about stopping suffering, you strawmanning retard. It's about preventing suffering.

[Anonymous No.13371833]

>>13371818
>preventing suffering.
The world will always have the absolute minimum possible suffering and no action humans can take will change this

[Anonymous No.13371844]

>>13371833
Be that as it may, I will make a conscious effort not to contribute to that suffering. I can rest easy knowing *I* have not forced another human being to undergo existence.

[Anonymous No.13371854]

>>13371699
you sound like a woman
men dont care about having children

[Anonymous No.13371856]

Anybody still has that Excel chart?

[Anonymous No.13371958]

>>13371844
>will make a conscious effort not to contribute to that suffering
Nothing you can do will stop this being the best of all possible worlds. Given that this is the best of all possible worlds, wherever the souls of unborn people are, it is worse than here. Therefore it makes sense to make as many babies as possible so as many can enjoy this, the best of all possible worlds, rather than anything else which we know is worse

[Anonymous No.13371974]

>>13371958
>best of all possible worlds
>literally any 5 yo kid can imagine a better world

[Anonymous No.13371983]

>>13371974
>can imagine a better world
So what? Has nothing to do with this being the best of all *possible* worlds

[Anonymous No.13372146]

>>13371958
Those are a lot of bold statements that you cannot even begin to prove. Nothing you said has any basis in knowable reality.

[Anonymous No.13372194]

>>13371699
>responding to assblasted strawman genuinely
I know you have no good intentions making this post, but I'll pretend you do in case you are capable of changing to be better.
>life is suffering why don't you kill yourself to end suffering
This would cause suffering far greater than my potential individual suffering by remaining alive. The goal is to prevent suffering. You cannot do this by causing suffering.
>my friends and family will suffer, so kill them
Antinatalists would become a hypocrite fundamentally. Prevent suffering, not stopping it.
>brings us back to the first point: who cares if they suffer?
I do and you clearly do not, hence the differences in position. If you truly didn't care for suffering, you should kill yourself in the most fantastic way possible.

What is it about retards that forces them to project so blatantly every time they are confronted with an opposing opinion?

[Anonymous No.13372233]

>>13372194
>This would cause suffering far greater than my potential individual suffering by remaining alive. The goal is to prevent suffering. You cannot do this by causing suffering.
there are plenty of painless suicide methods, if you remain alive the amount of suffering is far bigger

[Anonymous No.13372239]

>>13371699
anti-natalism is CIA shit dude. why would you expect to have an insightful conversation with a fucking intern payed to shitpost? 4chan is literally full of ignorant kids nowadays

[Anonymous No.13372432]

>>13372233
>literally unable to think of anyone but yourself when it is explicitly said that people close to you would be harmed
you should get tested for npd

[Anonymous No.13372468]

>>13371699
You are talking to people so retarded to not have figured out that suffering isn't inherently bad, what are you expecting? If it is anything but retardation tier arguments you seriously have a problem.

Why would you are argue mathematics with a person unwilling to admit that 2+2=4?

[Anonymous No.13372472]

the problem that the anti-natalist exist in is not in the existence of actual human suffering but in their perceiving of said suffering.
there is, after all, no efficient, or even feasible way to determine the amount of suffering experienced by all available humanity.
the anti-natalist assumes that suffering always weight heavier on the scale than whatever state of being should run counter or at least is more beneficial to humanity than suffering.
but lacking any means of quantifying said suffering the only logical basis for the anti-natalist to measure suffering is by the perception of suffering held by people.
therefore it only makes sense that to decrease the amount that suffering is perceived
is to decrease the state of suffering in the world.
the best way to reach this objective is to eliminate the populace which have to greatest and most intensely felt perception of human suffering, ie: anti-natalists

[Anonymous No.13372475]

>>13372194
Ah, finally someone with an actual counter argument.
>This would cause suffering far greater than my potential individual suffering by remaining alive
How does ending your suffering cause more suffering?
>The goal is to prevent suffering
"Life swings like a pendulum backward and forward between pain and boredom."
suffering is inevitable. You cannot prevent it, only end it.
>Antinatalists would become a hypocrite fundamentally. Prevent suffering, not stopping it.
Death is like the state of before you were born. Did you experience suffering before you were born?
>I do and you clearly do not, hence the differences in position.
If you care for people's suffering you can do something about it: end their suffering.

[Anonymous No.13372505]

>>13372194
>This would cause suffering far greater than my potential individual suffering by remaining alive.
But why are you CHOOSING to suffer?
Clearly posting on 4chan is causing us both suffering, instead you could lie in your bed staring at the wall.
Why aren't you, if you live in a western country, a filthy NEET only preoccupied with sustaining yourself, but disregarding any non-essential activity, as they all cause you suffering.

Oh wait, I know the answer, you are a giant hypocrite.

[Sean Paul No.13372513]

>>13372475
>>13372505
I got work in 15. I would love to discuss this more. in maybe 5 hours (if the thread is still up), I will respond.

[Anonymous No.13372515]

Why are anti-natalists always privileged first worlders? You don’t see Africans spouting this nonsense and their lives are infinitely worse

[Anonymous No.13372523]

>>13371699
This has nothing to do with literature. Go to /pol/ or /leftypol/, you absolute fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.13372544]

>>13372513
>I got work in 15.
That's unnecessary suffering, something you are arguing against, quit it right now and become a NEET.

In 5 hours it will be 3 in the night here and I will be soundly asleep.

[Anonymous No.13372577]

>>13372515
boredom is worse than misery

[Anonymous No.13372580]

>>13371699
>>>/a/189885718

[Anonymous No.13372584]

>>13372515
>You don’t see Africans spouting this nonsense and their lives are infinitely worse
Suffering is subjective and cannot be quantified. Are you retarded, have you actually not noticed this yet?

[Anonymous No.13372601]

>>13372580
Ah, the old reddit switcheroo!

[Sean Paul No.13372617]

>>13372544
It's necessary to eat without the risk of getting caught stealing food (among other things) and unnecessarily suffering in jail. My family has disowned me 6 years ago and no one else is paying for my living (24yo)

>>13372475
>how does ending suffering cause more suffering
The opposite of ascending others to a path of lack of (unnecessary/extra) suffering a la Neetshuh is only permitting suffering to continue. Selfless altruism I guess the term could be.
>muh schope quote
Only if you perceive a lack of any meaning, no matter how mundane or spiritual. Prevent unnecessary suffering. Life is sucfering, sure, but only because you (the one who experiences) choose to suffer. Look at buddhism if you want my reduced belief.
>death is similar to pre-birth
Objectively false. Unlife isn't the same as lack of life.
>end suffering
That's my self-made purpose.

>>13372505
>why choose to suffer
To learn how to better prevent suffering
>posting is causing both us suffering
Speak for yourself, I'm feeling pleasure from this
>could do nothing
This is a suffering worse than death, as is complacency
>a filthy neet
See above
>preoccupied with sustaining self
I kill myself to help others stop their suffering

Not antinatalist, but I hate the weak arguments they have

[Anonymous No.13372651]

>>13372617
>It's necessary to eat without the risk of getting caught stealing food (among other things) and unnecessarily suffering in jail.
In many Western countries there is no risk of that ever happening.
I could get on welfare and occasionally do some minimum wage jobs and never have to worry about starvation or homelessness.

>To learn how to better prevent suffering
Seems like pointless suffering to me.

>This is a suffering worse than death
No, it's infact equivalent to death.

But, and that's really the point, suffering isn't inherently bad.
It's an integral part of life and something people willingly choose, over and over again.
Light can only exists, because darkness also does.