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Tips for reading through this for the first time?

What should I keep in mind? What questions should i ask? how do i know what to take notes on? should i intersperse the interpretive essay in my reading or read through the whole thing once then go through the essay after?

>> No.13362354

>>13362345
Don't bother, it's trash

>> No.13362365

>>13362354
no u

>> No.13362378

>>13362345
Skip the essay and read it. It was my first real philosophy book and I was surprised at how clear and direct it was. Don't worry about notes the first time through.

>> No.13362392

>>13362345
have a laugh at Trasimacus

>> No.13362393

>>13362345
See Preface to Plato by Eric Alfred Havelock

https://web.archive.org/web/20060831072453/http://www.engl.niu.edu/wac/ptop.html

>> No.13362418

>>13362345
It is all but a ruse ;^)

>> No.13362420

I'd be careful of letting the essay (which I thought was excellent) doing the work for you. You can do it as an interspersed or sequential reading on your re-read. If you actually want to do the hard work of critical thinking yourself, then you cannot read the essay, even as a 'confirmation' of your nascent ideas. Instead, read, and write as you read. A college professor of mine told me ten pages should take an hour, which seems fair.
Off the top of my head, I'd note: WHO promotes WHAT argument (the person speaking and everything they represent is important in Plato)
Changing settings, people, etc (Where people are and go has implications)
All lists and their contexts
The sequence and origin of arguments (ie, is Socrates promoting something of his own, responding to someone, or characterizing a general idea)

If your notes carry those things (and others I'm sure other anons can add) then you will be on your way to building your own analysis, which of course will be facile compared to Bloom's, but the act of critical thinking will have been attained!

>> No.13362463

Is the barnes and noble version just as good? It's only $5 compared to $10 for the version shown above.

>> No.13362496

>>13362392
Thrasymachus had a very good point. He just did not know how to express it correctly.

>> No.13362529

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X72ELQFnjYU

>> No.13362552

>>13362345

Plato treats the city as a macrocosm for man. Anything said about the city should make you think about how it might apply to man in some analogous fashion, and vice versa.

As others have suggested, read the intro last.

Consider that Socrates is directing his speech at certain people for certain reasons. It's all tentative, but also with purpose. He moves the conversations in certain directions. Keep an eye on the start points and end points of discussions.

>> No.13362569

>>13362496
Thrasymachus point is basically a nominalist position: "justice" is noun that signifies what the rulers want it to signify. Though when he speaks of injustice as more convenient than justice, he adopts a realist position.

>> No.13362640
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13362640

skip plato he gets BTFO by the sophists in every encounter

>> No.13362643

>>13362345
>by Allan Bloom

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>>13362643

Scared of Strauss are we?

>> No.13362737

>>13362640
begone sophist filth

>> No.13362798

just read the symposium to see he's on the spectrum lol the sophists are clearly chads