>"there is only one philosophical question, and it is suicide." was he right, /lit/igators?

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Anonymous Tue Jun 25 05:46:54 2019 No.13358443 [Reply] [Original]

>"there is only one philosophical question, and it is suicide."

was he right, /lit/igators?

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 05:53:00 2019 No.13358455

"Camus said there is only really one serious philosophical question, which is whether or not to commit suicide.

I think there are four or five serious philosophical questions.

The first one is: Who started it?

The second is: Are we gonna make it?

The third is: Where are we gonna put it?

The fourth is: Who's gonna clean up?

And the fifth: Is it serious?
"

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:09:15 2019 No.13358492

>>13358443
I recently spent two weeks supporting a family whose son committed suicide. I wish these fashionable professors would be forced to look permenantly numbed mothers in the eyes and craddle crying fathers in their arms. I wish their students talking about their books over drinks would go out to train tracks painted red and hear the wails over the phone when they confirm the families worst fears. I wish anybody commiting suicide would start by cutting of all of their toes one by one before delivering the final blow, just to prove that their pain is indeed worse than the one they will be inflicting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:14:29 2019 No.13358503 >>13358492 faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:17:37 2019 No.13358509 >>13358492 faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:19:01 2019 No.13358512 >>13358503 weakling

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:20:04 2019 No.13358515 >>13358509 weakling

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:21:42 2019 No.13358519 >>13358492 That's close to Camus' conclusion as well, so chill.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:23:41 2019 No.13358525 >>13358519 He's too busy with the REAL WORLD to care about your ABSURDISM brokskirino. Check that and SUCK it. But don't kil urself we luv n suport u, u r important 2 ppl.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:23:47 2019 No.13358526 >>13358512 >>13358515 faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:25:28 2019 No.13358531 File: 369 KB, 1700x850, deathism.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13358443 The only reason not to commit suicide is the chance that we might get to reach longevity escape velocity, and get to live in a post-Singularity utopia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:26:17 2019 No.13358533 >>13358526 kys

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:28:05 2019 No.13358536

>>13358492
????? You can use this backwards reasoning to support anything, let me try:
>I recently spent two weeks supporting a family whose son decided to come out as gay. I wish these fashionable professors would be forced to look permenantly numbed mothers in the eyes and craddle crying fathers in their arms. I wish their students talking about their books over drinks would listen to the wails over the phone when they confirm the families worst fears. I wish anybody wanting to be gay contrary to the wishes of their family would start by cutting of all of their toes one by one before delivering the final blow, just to prove that their passion is indeed greater than the pain they will be inflicting.

My family does not own me you fucking sociopath. I did not choose to be brought into this world, so I owe absolutely nothing to them. I am the proprietor of my own life, which means I can terminate it when I see fit. The only way I can see this argument working is if the person has kids.

>>	the irony Tue Jun 25 06:32:20 2019 No.13358543 >>13358536 >you fucking sociopath

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:36:00 2019 No.13358548

>>13358536
>Reductio ad absurdum
>Final argument is actually based
Making your parents and forefathers proud is an seen as universally good by all cultures over all times.

>cuts of all ties to community and wonders why he feels hollow and suicidal

Call your parents bucko

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:39:04 2019 No.13358552

>>13358519
Is it really though? Camus typically stressed the absurdity of killing oneself rather than the "pain" inflicted on others. The suffering of others is in no comparison to the absurdity that arises from perceived reality reducing itself to nothingness. This sounds pretentious and gay, I will make my leave now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:58:14 2019 No.13358602 >>13358492 To be entirely honest with you, if your son commits suicide (especially if it's before he leaves home) you absolutely did something wrong and I don't feel too much sympathy for you

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 06:58:57 2019 No.13358607
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>philosophers in the ancient world
>what is justice? how do we build the best possible society?

>philosophers in the modern world
>we should all commit suicide, literally nothing exists

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:00:46 2019 No.13358612 >>13358492 Maybe if those parents cared before the kid killed themselves he wouldn't have.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:01:39 2019 No.13358614 >>13358548 >>13358602 >>13358492 If your family member killed himself/herself without exhibiting symptoms of prior mental health issues, it's quite likely that you're the one who dun goofed.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:02:30 2019 No.13358617

>>13358443
https://vitrifyher.com/2019/03/20/the-view-so-far/

>Suicide is currently my best option since it is the best transformative agent for the contents of consciousness that I can think of. I still feel that rationally considered, the boredom, malaise, anxiety, shame, pain, absurdity, loathing etc. is not worth the scant rewards in my human life. There is a vast ocean of radically different mind configurations of which my locus forms but a meaningless fraction of a dust speck. The idea that out of all possible modes of being across eternal probability space, I would be this human is frankly repugnant.

Is he right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:02:43 2019 No.13358619 >>13358607 It all returns to nothing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:05:06 2019 No.13358625 >>13358614 yes, that is what I was saying thanks for reiterating my point in your reply friend

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:05:57 2019 No.13358630
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>>13358443
>There is a very popular opinion that choosing life is inherently superior to choosing death. This belief that life is inherently preferable to death is one of the most widespread superstitions. This bias constitutes one of the most obstinate mythologies of the human species.
>This prejudice against death, however, is a kind of xenophobia. Discrimination against death is simply assumed good and right. Absolutist faith in life is commonly a result of the unthinking conviction that existence or survival, along with an irrational fear of death, is "good". This unreasoned conviction in the rightness of life over death is like a god or a mass delusion. Life is the "noble lie"; the common secular-religion of the West.
>For the conventional Westerner, the obvious leap of faith to make here is that one's "self" and its preservation constitute the first measure of rationality. Yet if one begins reasoning with the unquestioned premise that life is good, or that one's own life or any life is justified, this is very different from bringing that premise itself to be questioned rationally. Anyone who has ever contemplated his or her own mortality might question the ultimate sanity of the premise of self-preservation. Even if it is possible to live forever, moreover, this makes not an iota of difference as to the question of the value of existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:06:02 2019 No.13358631 >>13358625 I just wanted to stand by you brah

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:14:58 2019 No.13358657

>>13358602
>>13358612
>>13358614
He had a loving family. They activly supported him through his struggles. The other kids turned out fine. He had psychiatric help, friends and money. He was a selfish cunt, lacking in morals, willpower and empathy. I will spit on the grave of all those that kill themselves without exceptionally grave circumstance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:17:10 2019 No.13358664 >>13358657 His life is his alone. His to live and his to end it whenever and for whatever reason he pleases.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:19:57 2019 No.13358675 >>13358657 Oh, well it's clear what's wrong with him then You made this story up, nothing can save one from that fate

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:24:25 2019 No.13358688 >>13358657 >He had a loving family. Is that what they tell you? Fuck em

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:25:35 2019 No.13358690 >>13358675 >Implying people with comfortable lives and backgrounds never kill themselves shiggydiggy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:27:33 2019 No.13358695 >>13358657 >dude people are totally independent of their environment >DUDE, YOU'VE AN OBLIGATION AND A RELATIONSHIP TO YOUR ENVIRONMENT Which is it, cocksucker.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:29:40 2019 No.13358701 >>13358690 No one who is attractive, wealthy, and had good parenting/ wasn't molested has killed themselves while still living at home

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:31:19 2019 No.13358707 >>13358657 Was he on 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:31:29 2019 No.13358709 >>13358536 Stop watching Stefan Molyneux

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:32:19 2019 No.13358714 >>13358709 No

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 07:33:49 2019 No.13358724 >>13358492 Geez you do know that Camus wrote this just after he overcame his depression due to his participation on the second world war? Maybe read a book for once before you go all redneck-antiintelligenzia

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 08:11:40 2019 No.13358833 [DELETED]

>>13358695
People come in all shapes and forms. Weak and hollow people often don't partake in their community or act as leeches. Most strong and fulfilled people positevily impact their community and have meaningful relationships within them. The obligation to become something more than human waste is your own and can sadly can never be met only by your surroundings. Both you and your environment are only partly deterministic, the ratio of which is variable.

>>13358707
Yeah

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 08:22:27 2019 No.13358874 >>13358531 kys then Because the probability of attaining any of your deranged transuman fantasies is exactly Nil.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 09:10:51 2019 No.13359090

>>13358612
>Maybe if those parents cared before the kid killed themselves he wouldn't have.
>>13358657
>I will spit on the grave of all those that kill themselves without exceptionally grave circumstance.
Wow this board is full of ppl with the intellectual maturity of fucking teenagers with straight "black or white" mentality.
The fuck you read all your books for, srsly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:38:53 2019 No.13359612 >>13358492 >parenthood ousts itself as archonic nightmare again

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:40:50 2019 No.13359621 >>13358455 And Camus' question encompasses them all. Why should we care? Why try to find anything out? Why play the game instead of ending it all

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:42:25 2019 No.13359629 >>13358492 >don't kill yourself because others might feel sad This probably the biggest brainlet take of them all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 14:35:40 2019 No.13360816 >>13359621 No That's just wrong the only thing that those questions have in common is that existential dimention but beyond that there is no overlap. It's clear if you can read English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:13:50 2019 No.13361346 File: 275 KB, 2518x1024, 1560586418248.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13358443 >j-just don't think about it coping kekold

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:19:18 2019 No.13361381 >>13358695 This

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:20:01 2019 No.13361387 To be or not to be; that is the question.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:31:47 2019 No.13361453

>>13358492
turns out that supporting a family whose son committed suicide doesn't make you understand or empathise with the victims of mental illness. Get a grip and make some effort to actually understand and help solve the issues of friends and family's mental health, you're not helping anyone in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:37:58 2019 No.13361492 >>13358492 this is all selfish as fuck, though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:57:05 2019 No.13361597 >>13361346 Uuh ? He said to think about it every damn day of your life, that's the all point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:02:46 2019 No.13361619 >>13358443 No. Because we don't know what happens after death. Materialists simply cannot be intellectuals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:29:12 2019 No.13361744 >>13361597 I'm talking about his existentialist philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:29:32 2019 No.13361750 >>13358443 Ummm, yea... I am going to need a source for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:47:00 2019 No.13361857 File: 283 KB, 448x622, camus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13361750 https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/29516-there-is-but-one-truly-serious-philosophical-problem-and-that

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:50:56 2019 No.13361879 'should i continue to exist' is THE philosophical question. perfectly addressed in Sean Goonans The Foundation of Exploration

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:53:23 2019 No.13361891 >>13361857 Not peer reviewed by an established journal. DROPPED!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 17:54:11 2019 No.13361895 >>13358492 Fake and gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:53:01 2019 No.13362149 >>13358657 >I will spit on the grave of all those that kill themselves without exceptionally grave circumstance. Youre so empathetic and kind

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:00:47 2019 No.13362190 File: 45 KB, 631x289, phd suicide.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13358602 >if your son commits suicide (especially if it's before he leaves home) you absolutely did something wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:02:52 2019 No.13362205 >>13358492 lol we come from such weak generations

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:04:27 2019 No.13362211 >>13358492 faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:05:51 2019 No.13362215 >>13362190 >spend more than a quarter of your life in school >actually having to compete kills you in just a few weeks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:56:39 2019 No.13362448 >>13361879 Best book I have ever read.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 20:03:41 2019 No.13362478

>>13360816
I know those questions don't directly relate to Camus' question. Camus questions the practicality of even bothering with these questions or anything else by asking his question on suicide. Those questions specifically were probably already answered for Camus as he wasn't religious, most people today aren't. The question of suicide is more pertinent than any metaphysical questions about the nature of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 21:43:02 2019 No.13362874 >>13358443 Camus was edgy af its obvious. There are other philosophical questions and you all need to chill and take a pill. Maybe a few pills. Maybe a few more... :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 21:46:25 2019 No.13362896 >>13362448 Assumes existence of consciousness. "What is this "I"? What is existence?" Are the fundamental questions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 21:49:36 2019 No.13362913 >>13358492 those families? they could just kill themselves. that would cut all that pain short, instead of hanging around to choke down the misery. just commit, and fall right out of any consequences

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 22:02:38 2019 No.13362979 >>13362190 this is going to be me soon lel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:16:23 2019 No.13363310 >>13362896 "What is existence?" is interesting but the roundabout topic of "What is I?" is boring and pointless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:21:12 2019 No.13363326 >>13358492 Damn this site is pessimistic as all hell. Thought this was a greatly written post anon.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:23:00 2019 No.13363334

>>13358492
Fuck off, Chesterton.
>Not only is suicide a sin, it is the sin. It is the ultimate and absolute evil, the refusal to take an interest in existence; the refusal to take the oath of loyalty to life. The man who kills a man, kills a man. The man who kills himself, kills all men; as far as he is concerned he wipes out the world. His act is worse (symbolically considered) than any rape or dynamite outrage. For it destroys all buildings: it insults all women. The thief is satisfied with diamonds; but the suicide is not: that is his crime. He cannot be bribed, even by the blazing stones of the Celestial City. The thief compliments the things he steals, if not the owner of them. But the suicide insults everything on earth by not stealing it. He defiles every flower by refusing to live for its sake. There is not a tiny creature in the cosmos at whom his death is not a sneer. When a man hangs himself on a tree, the leaves might fall off in anger and the birds fly away in fury: for each has received a personal affront. Of course there may be pathetic emotional excuses for the act. There often are for rape, and there almost always are for dynamite. But if it comes to clear ideas and the intelligent meaning of things, then there is much more rational and philosophic truth in the burial at the cross-roads and the stake driven through the body, than in Mr. Archer’s suicidal automatic machines. There is a meaning in burying the suicide apart. The man’s crime is different from other crimes—for it makes even crimes impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:23:37 2019 No.13363336 >>13358443 Suicide is never justified. Homicide is a different matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:38:35 2019 No.13363388 >>13358443 https://youtu.be/07JaEzYHBeU

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:43:01 2019 No.13363404 >>13363336 Self-homicide of course requires no justification.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:43:33 2019 No.13363406 >>13363336 Hitler's suicide was justified.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 23:47:09 2019 No.13363423 >>13358492 lol get a load of this fucking faggot >>13363326 lol get a load of this fucking faggot

Anonymous Wed Jun 26 06:21:11 2019 No.13364628
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>>13362478
Let's assume your presupposition is correct. What is the impact of the answer ? Would the yes or no answer even add anything meaningful to our existence on individual basis if we didn't have the answers to the other questions. No significant change in philosophy would occur if a magical good dick were to paint "just kill urserlf lol ;)" with jizz in the sky. State of nature doesn't actively promote suicide, it promotes life. Don't be an edgelord at least try to find the answers to the big 5. Or an hero if you can't deal with it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:26:14 2019 No.13364768 >>13358492 >just imagine actually believing this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:31:11 2019 No.13364779 File: 80 KB, 478x523, 1559995100350.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13358492 >Look at all that pain in the living world he caused! How can the non-existing person cope with that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:31:29 2019 No.13364780 >>13358443 Kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:32:43 2019 No.13364783 >>13362190 Just capitalism at work, nothing new to see here lad

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:34:18 2019 No.13364786 >>13362190 not living at home, was well into his adulthood and yes, even still bad parenting is probably a major factor in this unfortunate incident

Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:47:44 2019 No.13364804

>>13358455

The first question was: should there be nothing or something? Since there is something, it follows that existence was preferred to non-existence by an intelligence beyond human, and that simultaneously the most unreasonable and rebellious thing you can do is commit suicide.

Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:50:14 2019 No.13364810

>>13358443
No. But it is the first one before you ask yourself anything else, why find out the truth if you don't want to live with it? I might be autistic in thinking his statement literally (He actually meant the most important question) but that's the best kind I can answer without just saying "yes".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:51:43 2019 No.13364814 >>13364804 or it follows that since there is something then something must want to keep us here and that something is evil since there is evil in the world? You can make billion of conclusions on that statement: "Since there is something".

Anonymous Wed Jun 26 07:52:57 2019 No.13364817

>>13358443
not all people ponder on suicidal thoughts when they grow up or what?
I was suicidal with 11 years, not knowing why i should live anymore. Came to an conclusion and since then i never thought about killing myself anymore.
Modern philosophers are pseuds, this i s literally the teenageangstpilled question and he even gets respect for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 08:22:23 2019 No.13364893 >>13358443 first time I've seen this photo. Thanks OP

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 10:32:32 2019 No.13365326 >>13358602 So we can thank mainlander's parents for his philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 10:42:21 2019 No.13365363 >>13358492 AYO!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 11:09:45 2019 No.13365496 >>13358492 you lose all your toes when a relative commits sudoku? cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 11:10:52 2019 No.13365501 >>13358543 omg the irony is here!!! im so happy!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 11:24:31 2019 No.13365553 >>13358443 This quote may be used as a very good critique of existentialism.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 12:30:35 2019 No.13365918 File: 260 KB, 678x1024, chad chesterton.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13364779 >>13364768 >>13363334 >>13363423 >>13359629 >>13358536 >>13358509 >>13358503 >lel suicide is actually BASED grow up or kys

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 26 13:01:55 2019 No.13366121 >>13363334 This sounds like a woman struggling to berate a man her cunt is seeping for.

Anonymous Wed Jun 26 13:08:13 2019 No.13366156
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>>13358492
>I wish anybody commiting suicide would start by cutting of all of their toes one by one before delivering the final blow, just to prove that their pain is indeed worse than the one they will be inflicting.
My parents already did inflict that amount of pain on me by having my foreskin amputated.

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