/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13354649]

This must be why some people can't enjoy fiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia

[Anonymous No.13354659]

I liked your post opea

[Anonymous No.13354662]

>>13354649
Are you telling me some people can close their eyes and project random stuff onto their retinas?

[Anonymous No.13354670]

>>13354649

>I only read fiction to picture little movies in my head

[Anonymous No.13354672]

I can enjoy it but i choose not to, it's a waste of time compared to history and philosophy

[Anonymous No.13354675]

>>13354672
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47830256

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !skQJpXMoqg No.13354678]

>>13354662
Yeah. A bunch of NPCs were also broken on Reddit today too from this
https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/c4i94n/tifu_by_explaining_my_synesthesia_to_my_boyfriend/

[Anonymous No.13354690]

>>13354649
i didn't literally see a red star on my closed eyelid through my retinas, but I """"saw"""" a red star, solid and not outlined

[Anonymous No.13354711]

>>13354662
>>13354690
The image literally says "in your mind's eye" you wingnuts

[Anonymous No.13354729]

I definitely have a mental awareness that there is a red star in my mind, but it's not like I can focus on the thing as a whole, or replicate what it might be like to see it.
It feels more like when I recall a memory and I'm experiencing the sensation of being in a place, picturing maybe small snapshots at a time, branches, brickwork, water, an object or a movement, etc.

[Anonymous No.13354745]

>>13354678
It’s weird realizing how many redditors there are on /lit/ once I myself started browzing reddit and now see the amount /lit/ threads being inspired by reddit ones

[Anonymous No.13354754]

>>13354711
What the hell is a mind's eye?

[Anonymous No.13354759]

>>13354649
>"mind's eyes"

[Anonymous No.13354767]

I have an easier time doing it with my eyes open for some reason.

[Anonymous No.13354775]

>>13354745
OP here.
I found that picture while browsing /pol/. Then I looked up Aphantasia and then I went on the subreddit for some reason and then it was being flooded by NPC Redditors because someone made a post on a popular subreddit saying that they had Aphantasia.

[Anonymous No.13354782]

>>13354649
i saw 6
what does this mean? will i be a good writer of fiction?

[Anonymous No.13354786]

>>13354649
none of them

[Anonymous No.13354805]

>>13354649
Maybe, but I think that's a little simplistic. I can usually only manage in the range of 3-5, but the scenes I "see" are highly detailed in a sensory way. If I'm really immersed I can feel the wind and smell the fucking air, but the image itself is never pristine.

[Anonymous No.13354822]

>>13354649
I saw pic related very vividly and i started hearing in my "mind's hears" a weird choir. Am i woke yet ?

[Anonymous No.13354823]

I don't believe I have a "mind's eye", I can't see shit in these cases. I think as a kid it worked, but nowadays it's all gone.

What is interesting is that I can invoke the feeling of seeing something, if that makes sense. I can think of a green field with a tree on top, a cute girl sitting underneath the tree, I get a feeling for that space, that setting, I "feel" the grass blowing in the wind, but I can't see it.

My mother doesn't even have an inner voice, at least I have that.

[Anonymous No.13354828]

I know I am thinking of a red star. I have seen red stars before. I can imagine a star, but I think in words, not in images. I can't fantastically project a red star, imitating the reality of seeing a red star. This is absurd bullshit, just like every other mental trick in the book.

[Anonymous No.13354831]

>>13354649
A mote it is to troble the mind's eye

[Anonymous No.13354842]

>>13354649
I posted this before, but I wanted a sharper one. This star, because when I think "star" I think space, and a star in space is drawn like thiiiiisss.

[Anonymous No.13354851]

I feel like half the people thinking they have it are just retards who think they’re supposed to literally see the star like a hologram

[Anonymous No.13354854]

>>13354754
New age bullshit meant to draw people away from the light of God.

[Anonymous No.13354856]

>>13354828
mad because you have aphantasia aren't you?

[Anonymous No.13354857]

>>13354649
pic is the red star that I imagined.

[Anonymous No.13354860]

>>13354649
The other day I was trying to remember some cyberpunk film I saw, but then I realized I was recalling images I'd gotten while reading Philip Dick's Flow My Tears. I didn't use to recall images from fiction so vividly, so maybe I am getting better at it.

[Anonymous No.13354861]

>>13354754
Seeing mental images

[Anonymous No.13354870]

>>13354828
I can legitimately imagine a red star as an image. I think you're just angry that you can't do so.

[Anonymous No.13354896]

>>13354870
Well thats fucking bullshit.

[Anonymous No.13354899]

Semi-related, if you imagine a spinning object, say, pedals on a bicycle for example, can you stop the movement and then reverse it without much mental effort? Because I have trouble with that.

[Anonymous No.13354910]

>>13354754
What you picture when you read a story.

[Anonymous No.13354911]

Is this a gender thing? Is this why more women read books?

[Anonymous No.13354912]

>>13354899
Oh shit. I thought I was the only one.

[Anonymous No.13354915]

>>13354649
>>13354842
What if I imagine a six-pointed star?

[Anonymous No.13354918]

>>13354870
when you close your eyes do you just see fuzzy blackness or are you having actual full-colour closed-eye hallucinations?

[Anonymous No.13354919]

>>13354754
being able to imagine images

[Anonymous No.13354928]

>>13354918
It's not literal sight like with your eyes. We're talking about imagination.

[Anonymous No.13354932]

>>13354928
I think the guy you're talking to means actually seeing it the way you see the fuzzy blackness. The language being used itt is very imprecise

[Anonymous No.13354933]

>>13354918
I don't have a visual hallucination, but I can imagine a star shap that's red-coloured. When you read a book and get a mental image of what's happening, it's like that.

[Anonymous No.13354938]

>>13354932
Yeah I know that's what he means, he's some kind of spastic or autist.

[Anonymous No.13354940]

>>13354899
That happens to me when I'm dizzy or half asleep. I will imagine (I don't see shit, even when dreaming) some repeating pattern, be it spinning or something else and I try to stop it or reverse it. It's very difficult indeed.

True story you'd only read online: This was a big problem when I was into sissy hypnosis and kept seeing penises.

[Anonymous No.13354947]

>>13354912
It legitimately makes me uncomfortable to try it. Every time I get to the top of the "swing" so to speak, it takes immense effort to stop it just carrying on. A quick 'wipe' of the image and then imagining it stopped and then reversing isn't the same as slowing to a halt and then reversing.

Fucking weird.

[Anonymous No.13354950]

>>13354940
>This was a big problem when I was into sissy hypnosis and kept seeing penises.

[Anonymous No.13354951]

>>13354649
I imagined this
Whats the diagnosis

[Anonymous No.13354954]

>>13354940
lmao, being haunted by cockspin sounds amazing

[Anonymous No.13354958]

>>13354947
When i do it I imagine an invisble force stopping it and then pushing it the other way. It is almost accompanied by a feeling of using a muscle, but like a mental muscle

[Anonymous No.13354959]

>>13354947
I can do it but it requires a strange amount of mental effort. Also, if I attempt it a few times i get dizzy. Strange as fuck

[Anonymous No.13354968]

>>13354958
Kek, that mental muscle thing is exactly what I tried to describe

[Anonymous No.13354978]

>>13354649
We already proved that 99% of lit are NPCs.

[Anonymous No.13354979]

>>13354958
>>13354959
>>13354968
Ok, now this

[Anonymous No.13354980]

>>13354947
>>13354958
>>13354959
I'm trying to imagine what a clod brained faggot you'd have to be to undergo mental strain trying to picture a spinning wheel, and it feels like a void opening beneath me. Pretty sure you guys aren't completely human.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !skQJpXMoqg No.13354989]

>>13354979
The box

[Anonymous No.13354990]

>>13354980
Well, how clear is the image supposed to be? I have no trouble visualizing any of this stuff, but the way you guys talk about it sounds like you got a movie projector in your head. I see it but I don't SEE it.

[Anonymous No.13354996]

>>13354940
>This was a big problem when I was into sissy hypnosis and kept seeing penises.
nigga what

[Anonymous No.13355000]

>>13354678
>>13354980
Yeah visualization is like second nature to me. Used to do full color fantasies of me and this total babe from 8th grade. God she had great tits

[Anonymous No.13355001]

>>13354979
No, I do not have autism.
It depends on how retarded Sally is.
If she does not realise the giant lump indicating the ball's presence is missing from the basket, she'd look in there. If she does, Ann is about to catch a beatdown like the thieving bitch she is.

[Anonymous No.13355012]

>>13354989
jej

[Anonymous No.13355060]

>>13354854
>If you think, you can't be a Christian
really bakes the noodle eh?

[Anonymous No.13355061]

>>13354951
autism

[Anonymous No.13355068]

>>13355001
>No, I do not have autism.
OP cant inb4
>It depends on how retarded Sally is.
>If she does not realise the giant lump indicating the ball's presence is missing from the basket, she'd look in there.
You are autistic

[Anonymous No.13355069]

>>13354828
I saw a printed red star at first, something from Chinese or Russian military for example, then I began to see like a massive red dwarf star in space and wondered which one I should see or what the outcome of the silly goddamned test would make of that.

[Anonymous No.13355148]

>>13354915
well, then that means you want to get pegged in the ass by ellen page. sorry

[Anonymous No.13355152]

this shit is weird af to overthink about
i can make a red star but i feel like it's way high above me and at risk of being lost as soon as i stop focusing on it, then when it's gone i don't know if it was ever actually there or if i just imagined it

[Anonymous No.13355162]

>Laughing at all the wooden-souled brainlets who can't do basic brain operation ITT

[Anonymous No.13355193]

>>13354990
Have you seen a wheel before? Literally just remember a wheel.

[Anonymous No.13355207]

I see vibrating fields that can fade from blackgrey bubbles into erratic white lines depending on how hard i concentrate (the paper factory) or traveling space of blue stars when i press or have a lot of stress (astro world) ((i think these are showing blood moving through the nerves at various pressures)) which i have to enter in and mold the image out of in a black space of silent vision. Besides the settings that are literally seen, the images are seen and unseen at the same time. I only hallucinate when there's music or i get tired. When I was twelve years old I befriended an older psychopath who helped me to see the paper factory and inserted a mental version of himself in there to erase parts of my personality that neither of us liked. I encountered the first difficult piece of literature around the same time, so I think this may be connected to reading, even more when you consider that the association is with paper and newsprint. I see both 2 and 6 (literally seen, seen outside my head) so I'm posting to ask if anyone else has two fields of vision, or if you have just one, and whether the guy who befried me could have been responsible for splitting it, whether it may be due to the emergence of verbal thought alongside the visual, or if it's normal and unrelated to either.

[Anonymous No.13355253]

>>13354950
Cute.

[Anonymous No.13355263]

>>13355193
Oh ok yeah that's what I thought.

[Anonymous No.13355300]

>>13354980
Not picturing it, that's absolutely fine, it's stopping it spinning and reversing the spin

[Anonymous No.13355317]

>>13355300
But what difference does it make? You've seen a wheel, you've seen a wheel stopping, you've seen a wheel spinning.

[Anonymous No.13355353]

>>13355317
I have no idea, but there's this slight disconnect between the initial spin and stopping, i can 'glitch' it into a reverse but can't get the hole thing from beginning to end. A wheel takes less effort than picturing a person on a bicycle thought, every time I picture them slowing, I aim to have them stop at the top of the pedal circle if you know what I mean, their leg carries on as if the weight has just continued it. I have absolutely no other visualisation problems, it's just this one, and as demonstrated in this thread, other people have it too, as well as numerous people I've spoken to IRL.

[Anonymous No.13355377]

I can visualize only through my memory. How can I draw things with my mind?

[Anonymous No.13355388]

>>13354649
>flashing rainbow 5 master race

[Anonymous No.13355402]

>>13354899
I can do that but I have difficulty with other mental tasks such that I've developed workarounds.

For example, as a child I used to have highly unpleasant invasive thoughts about foreign objects entering various orifices. I had trouble mentally making them go away, so instead I had thoughts where tentacles or shovel sized wasp stingers emerged from my orifices and blocked out whatever was trying to enter.

Alternatively, when I had thoughts about being stabbed or cut open, I would imagine myself to have very thick and powerful muscles that would clamp onto the blade, possibly snapping it, while closing my wounds.

[Anonymous No.13355440]

>>13354672
>le waste of time meme
Imagine intentionally filling your life with displeasure solely because you think it's important to know about Forms and shit

[Anonymous No.13355475]

>>13354670
Its not the only reason for me its part of the joy of reading. I slow down my reading speed so I can picture the scenes in my mind and get completely immersed in the history.

I can read up to 450 words per minute without losing comprehension. But I dont enjoy it as much as when I slow down and enjoy the ride.

[Anonymous No.13355491]

>>13354649
>tfw can imagine everything I want.
>tfw can't change what I want if that violates too much what Im currently imaging

I can imagine a red apple if someone tells me to.
I can imagine a green one if told to do so.


But If someone tells me to imagine a red apple and them tell me to make the red apple become green, I can't do it for whateaver reason.

My dreams are even weirder. I dont dream fantastic settings or whateaver. In fact, my dreams are all mundane stuff that I do daily, maybe be, with somethinhg twisted like adoor that takes me to a place that wasnt supposted to be.

I think I should do drugs....

[Anonymous No.13355502]

>>13355475
I read fast and only imagine what is the author telling me in each moment, not the whole scene.

[Anonymous No.13355533]

I pictured several things. the basic geometric red star, the commie star, a red version of our sun and I think commie superman all in like the span of a second. not trying to show off, I'm an illustrator I tend to be visual.

[Anonymous No.13355565]

>>13354940
I've felt that excatly too.
Sometimes when I am half asleep (but only if I'm napping for at least an hour in the middle of the day) I can get stuck in a loop, where I'm trying to open my eyes or even sit up, but I can't, and only see vivid and blurry images. It's like I'm physically restrained by my half-awake state and it's very stressful. In one dream I was climbing on an edge of some industrial building, clinging to a pipe. I could not open my eyes to see down and I realized I was trapped in that sorry state until I eventually woke up.
That went a bit offtopic, but yeah, stopping a motion in my head puts a strain in my head, like a physical exhaustion.

[Anonymous No.13355596]

>>13355475
Reading War & Peace, I sometimes pause just to paint a picture of whatever scene Tolstoy's currently describing, whether it's the interior of some grand russian manor, or the troop movements at a battle. Being able to do that is probably a very good thing for your visuospatial function and memory.

[Anonymous No.13355609]

>>13354940
What in the fuck but also include me on the screencap.

[Anonymous No.13355646]

Im left handed, im supposed to be an "artist".
I cant visualize even a slight white line, but i can feel it and "imagine it".
This test is making right side of my brain hurt.
Help.

[Anonymous No.13355688]

>>13354729
I am pretty much the same. I can picture some snapshots or quick flashes but nothing really specific

[Anonymous No.13355715]

>>13354940
>This was a big problem when I was into sissy hypnosis and kept seeing penises

[Anonymous No.13355753]

I think some of you guys have actual brain damage

[Anonymous No.13355945]

>>13354678
Kek this is what happens when you’re a NORMIE

[Anonymous No.13355976]

>>13355402
That is some serious fruedian shit right there. Were you raped?

[Anonymous No.13355990]

>>13354649
People seriously can't do this? Nigga I can picture my entire room covered in grass in a nanosecond. I can summon a tulpa-esque figure and have conversations with it. I am the INFP living in his own dream land.

[Anonymous No.13356343]

>>13354649
I don't really "see" a red star I imagine a red star. For example, I don't see Grushenka on my eyelids against the darkness or something, but she's somewhere in my mind and I can describe her beyond and sometimes in conflict with the book's description. Is this what is meant by this?

[Anonymous No.13356361]

>>13356343
More specifically, the "mental image" is not better or worse when my eyes are open.

[Anonymous No.13356366]

>>13354754
Your imagination, dumbass

[Anonymous No.13356451]

>>13354649
What did the Irish eat before potatoes? And no, I'm not joking/

[Anonymous No.13356455]

>>13356451
Sorry, wrong thread.

[Anonymous No.13356538]

>>13355001
You are autistic

[Anonymous No.13356613]

>>13355475
>I can read up to 450 words per minute without losing comprehension.
I don't understand what the point of lying about something like that on the internet is. Nobody believes you and even if they did you're anonymous so they wouldn't even be able to be impressed by you.

[Anonymous No.13357435]

So how well do these people do with IQ tests?

[Anonymous No.13357964]

>>13354940
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.13357987]

>>13354857
This, I visualized an actual star instead of a cartoon image

Does that mean we're super humans anon?

[Anonymous No.13358328]

>>13354649
>pictured a burning gas giant
fuck which option do I choose?

[Anonymous No.13358360]

>>13356613
450 wpm is slow as fuck

[Anonymous No.13358379]

>>13354649
in my dreams magic is always contingent on imagination. How vividly you can imagine what you want to happen.
And in my dreams I CAN'T DO IT. It is the most stressful fucking thing you can possibly imagine. Monsters I could banish if only I could imagine them harmless, people saved, if only I could imagine them safe. Fields watered, friends met, art seen, lives lived- if only I could fucking IMAGINE. But, in my dreams, it's like trying to hold water in my fists. It's there but I just can't do it! It's awful and I HATE IT SO MUCH.

[Anonymous No.13358404]

>>13354649
They're just concepts in my brain. I can only do it when I have a reference.

[Anonymous No.13358412]

>>13356613
What do you mean? 450 wpm is not that high or hard. It just takes a bit of practice.

There are people that read twice as fast.

[Anonymous No.13358448]

>>13358404
Congratulations, you're an NPC!!

[Anonymous No.13358452]

>>13354649
Protip: nobody can do better than 2.
Those that say they can lie

[Anonymous No.13358459]

>>13354711
>>13354754
Exactly.
That's why i say they lie. They "imagined" something, something that anyone can do with visualization But they pretend They actually projected it on their retina as the image implies.

[Anonymous No.13358466]

>>13358379
It's Because You're obsessed by power.

[Anonymous No.13358469]

>>13358459
I can imagine stuff without closing my eyes, projected onto thethreal real world. I actually have fascination with painted walls because when the paint cracks it can produce interesting shapes that I fantasize about. I look at the wall and imagine planets and dinosaurs and other stuff, it's actually mesmerizing. Not joking btw

[Anonymous No.13358480]

>>13358469
I can too But It's imagination. It doesn't actually affection the eyes except indirectly. So You're not "seeing" shit.

[Anonymous No.13358486]

>>13355402
Serious MKULTRA shit. Search for strange marks or discolorations on your body. Grill your parents, burn all disney classics dvds You might have; particularly Alice in Wonderland.

[Anonymous No.13358487]

>>13358466
You would be too, if you had to deal with the shit I do. Real life's bad enough, but then I fall asleep and I have to watch an eldritch monster rip little children apart, trapped in a catch 22 where the monsters can't hurt anyone if I wasn't afraid of them, but because they do exist that means they can hurt, and I am afraid.
And then I know they're going to kill everyone, that I can't stop them, so I have to just wait for everyone and myself to be slaughtered.

[Anonymous No.13358493]

>>13358487
You know shit about what I've had to deal with. Also I'm not judging You.
Perhaps try to be less defensive in the future.

[Anonymous No.13358494]

>>13358480
That's semantics

[Anonymous No.13358502]

>>13358494
No It's fucking not Because the ambiguity between the phenomena created confusion that smuggies can use to feel smug.

[Anonymous No.13358507]

>>13358493
I'm sorry, I wasn't being defensive.
I was just venting. I've been having these dreams for years, and I dream every night.

[Anonymous No.13358518]

>>13358507
You don't need to apologize; but behaving defensively when there's no reason to only hurts You in the end.

[Anonymous No.13358666]

>>13354857
Other than mine swirling and being darker, same.

[Anonymous No.13358747]

>>13354649
Is it weird that I can't force myself to picture the red star but I can picture scenes on a book when reading it?

[Anonymous No.13358804]

>>13354754
If you have to ask, you already failed.

[Anonymous No.13358809]

>>13358518
you're a good anon

[Anonymous No.13358840]

>reread childhood book
>had forgotten most of the plot over the years
>immediately return to mind's eye images I made as a kid but now add my own extra understanding to flesh out the world as an adult
Memory and imagination are wild, I forgot about all that and it was still hidden in the back of my mind.

[Anonymous No.13358849]

>>13354649
Imagine not seeing 1 and therefore being Absolutely Deranged

[Anonymous No.13358859]

>>13354678
Larping hard. Or change your medication until you stop hallucinating

[Anonymous No.13358876]

>>13354899
dude i literally have to like wring my hands to do that lmao i thought i was the only one

[Anonymous No.13358879]

>>13358747
No, that’s normal. This aphantasia crap is just a meme troll. Being able to picture scenes in book over time is something entirely different than what OP is doing, which is either lsd, lying and/or trolling .

[Anonymous No.13358881]

>>13358849
>imagine
Apparently you're completely incapable of that, so I doubt you're using the right words to describe your thinking process

[Anonymous No.13358884]

>>13358849
>>13358859
>>13358879
Cope

[Anonymous No.13358908]

>>13358884
Larping hard. Not even beginning to cope. Pictorial representations do not exist. You cannot voluntarily see anything in your minds eye. Dennett already long argued against this nonsense meme created by Prof. Zeman.

[Anonymous No.13358962]

>>13358908
>You cannot voluntarily see anything in your minds eye.
Oh! Good to know. I guess I have no choice but to stop doing it.

[Anonymous No.13358995]

>>13358962
A vague representation is all you get. You cannot go into more detail without some sort of mental deficit or schizophrenic hallucination. The vague memory of the image you “create” is not self consistent either. Should tell you all you need to know about this fake phenomenon. Recalling memories is a different story.

[Anonymous No.13359013]

>>13358995
Yes, I'm sure it's a "deficit" indeed. What a terrible affliction.

[Anonymous No.13359029]

Are you telling me being able to project whole scenes like from a movie in your head isn't normal? And I don't mean blurry or no color shit but full vivid imagery in motion?

[Anonymous No.13359038]

>>13358995
Damn, can I get SSDI for my terrible mental illness? Sorry boss, I need to take a mental health day I have too strong of an imagination.

[Anonymous No.13359044]

>>13359013
The ability to delude yourself into accepting a false memory of a pictorial image you never had in that level of detail. Sounds a bit a child retelling it’s encounter with a pink unicorn on the way home from kindergarden. I guess there are worse afflictions, yeah.

[Anonymous No.13359053]

>>13359038
Definitely not trustworthy in my book. You’d make for a shitty eye witness, lol!

[Anonymous No.13359061]

>>13354649
imagen seeing such a plebeian star with your mind eye. Even 6 is too week

[Anonymous No.13359088]

>>13354649
Everyone go read Wittgenstein and shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.13359131]

>>13358448
>words inspire ideas rather than triggering Pavlovian response
>u dont think lmao
wew lad

[Anonymous No.13359143]

I can visualise fine, but I don't really visualise when I read. I mean I can if I force myself to, but I don't find it necessary in order to enjoy the story. Sometimes a particular image will enter my mind and stay there, but that'll only happen maybe once a book (for example, I have a strong image of the man from Notes from Underground and Liza in the room together, their faces red from the cold, and what that must have looked like) but nothing else. Not even the details of their appearances really.

I think this why I hate >the books were better than the movies fags who complain about details, like who gives a fuck what the actors look like I didn't imagine anyone in my head anyway even with physical descriptions

[Anonymous No.13359207]

>there are people who cannot become hard and masturbate solely to a perfect scene in their imaginations
I wonder if porn has stunted this

[Anonymous No.13359219]

>>13359207
Au contraire! If minds eye was real, there wouldn’t be any porn.

Pic related: your average minds eye larpers, like OP

[Anonymous No.13359245]

I sat down for an hour and nutted out the layout one time

[Anonymous No.13359274]

>>13355148
Why would you be sorry about something so hot?

[Anonymous No.13359302]

>>13355402
I have to agree with the other anon: that sounds like some real Disney-assisted MKUltra shit, or else early child molestation. The muscle thing in particular makes me lean toward the former. Were you ever prescribed psychiatric medication?

[Anonymous No.13359326]

>>13358995
Meh, even actual vision is not that precise except in special circumstances.

[Anonymous No.13359341]

>>13354649
To all the anons who cannot picture further than 2: how do you deal with geometry problems?

[Anonymous No.13359354]

>>13359341
Abstract concepts. Also, 1. Can still work with simple geometric objects with up to 4 lines and recall memories. I doubt anyone here can spin a dodecahedron in their “minds eye”. Because there is no such thing.

[Anonymous No.13359356]

>>13359131
Cope harder, roboman

[Anonymous No.13359358]

>>13359274

[Anonymous No.13359362]

>>13359356
Have you even nutted out your HUD yet? Is your mind palace big?

[Anonymous No.13359367]

>>13359219
How do you think fiction writers, especially fantasy writers, come up with their worlds and characters? How do fiction authors make characters that they describe physically?

Any sane person can tell the difference between imagination, perception, and general knowledge. Those redditors are trying very hard to larp as video game characters in real life.

[Anonymous No.13359373]

>>13359367
By slowly and deliberately building using fragments of memories and recombinations

[Anonymous No.13359381]

>>13359362
>palace
I create entire mindworlds, sweetie. your npc ass wouldn't know

[Anonymous No.13359389]

In one of the arguments that he stole from Berkeley, Hume was collapsing the distinction between Locke's "primary qualities" of an object (e.g. size, shape) and "secondary qualities" (e.g. color, taste). Unlike Berkeley's, Hume's argument was dumb and had to do with walking towards and away from a table to 'change' its size. I made an argument parallel to Hume's in class: assuming that the primary/secondary distinction collapses (which is super easy to show), you can manipulate objects in your visual field while remaining stationary and so adjust their qualities.

As an example, I mentioned that one could look at a white table and will it to change color via an imagined filter overlay. Instead of nodding in understanding and agreement, the class was pretty surprised. I described it as a willed, waking hallucination: as though a disco ball, or a colored spotlight, was shining on the white table. I hallucinate in my periphera regularly, but the overlay thing is surely not that uncommon, right?

[Anonymous No.13359400]

>>13359389
And then everyone clapped as I revealed my Ironman suit.

[Anonymous No.13359417]

>>13359373
That's what imagination is. No one can imagine something undiscovered but you can recombine existing things in new ways. Some people are better at it and faster. Visual artists use references and memories to draw new images and can do so very quickly. If you have watched someone draw something they haven't draw before without a reference image, they will think of that object before drawing, changing it to match with the mental references.
Do you have visual memories? Can you remember, for example, a backyard you were in as a child visually, or only in terms of what was in it?

[Anonymous No.13359441]

Back when I was in total schizo mode, I used to trawl /x/. This period was right when MLP was becoming popular, but before /mlp/ was created. A bunch of fanboys flooded the board trying to learn how to create MLP-tulpas, and some claimed they succeeded. People got so pissed at them, but my crazy ass thought it was hilarious.

[Anonymous No.13359456]

>>13359088

Hot, and furthermore, ziggety, my good man

[Anonymous No.13359464]

>>13359417
No I can recall images quite easily and also explore them. I cannot “imagine” a green car of some random make and then describe it. That’s what children do when they make up bullshit stories. Just like “red star”. Stars are dots. Or circles, or balls. Of varying size. Need more info to access and recall existing memories of star pictures. If you say imagine a chair, I will have to recall chairs I’ve seen and/or recombine them. If I can’t, then I can’t imagine it. There will be no chair.

[Anonymous No.13359515]

>>13354649
i dont enjoy fiction and im a hardcore phantasiac that can easily spend every waking hour in a limitless daydream.

[Anonymous No.13359556]

>>13359354
Your post seems self-contradictory. You do it by abstract concepts but you can still work with up to 4 lines drawings? Then you would not be relying on abstract concepts alone, and you would be capable of mental visualisation.

[Anonymous No.13359560]

>>13359464
That sounds exhausting. So if I asked you to imagine a blue armchair, you would have to spend more than a second visualizing it? You don't have a type of chair or star that you think of first? Do you only read nonfiction? People have to imagine recombinations to make them happen with any kind of efficiency. For example, I repainted some rooms in my house and thought of different color combinations that would look nice together. Then I double checked with samples and mixed the paint to match this. When people are making new colors for cars they combine mental references of the car and the new color before making a model for approval. Children are undeveloped and have difficulty separating fantasy from reality, so they will tell stories from their imagination as if they were true. Sane adults know the difference. When I imagined green walls and off white trim I didn't literally see it, it was almost a manufactured combination of memory that I knew was not real but could use to test new combinations before going to the store and mixing paint.
So, when I imagine a scene it is similar to if you conjured a memory of a movie you saw. You have that memory, but you know that it did not happen to you.

[Anonymous No.13359605]

>>13359560
How do you prevent that image of something you’ve never seen from constantly morphing into versions that you have seen? I cannot imagine a person I know with a different hair colour like blue, for example. There are no references I can draw from. I will recall an image of the person in shitty resolution and have an idea of blue but the two can’t mix or will instantly separate again.

[Anonymous No.13359684]

>>13354649
I, too, like to go on Reddit my friend ;)

[Anonymous No.13359755]

>>13359605
I just hold it, like if you were trying hard to remember the layout of your room in a house you used to live in. It wavers like a memory does and it's harder to concentrate on at different times like memory recall. For example, it would be extremely difficult to hold an image while I am driving because all of my attention is on something much more important. If I listen to the radio while driving I will loosely imagine the story they are describing with very little visualization, if any at all. If they are talking about a village in Africa I'll have a fuzzy idea of it but it would be nowhere as clear and stable as when I am a passenger, but I understand the words without "seeing" an idea of what is going on in the story. Some things are harder to visualize than others and they will morph if you aren't trying to hold onto them like a memory. Imagining the walls in the room I am sitting in now is much easier and clearer than imagining my parent's first car as red because it's not in front of me, I haven't seen it in over a decade, and I don't have a reference. I can do it, but it's much blurrier and the image of the car itself changes and is not very accurate.

[Anonymous No.13359756]

>>13359219
>INTJ
like clockwork

[Anonymous No.13359861]

>>13358840
i noticed something like that too.
for some books, the visualized images i remember from them are as vivid in my memory as images of actual events from my life. and that applies to some dreams i remember as well.
fiction, dreams, and real sensations are all mixed in our memories.

[Anonymous No.13359956]

>>13359861
You slowly built those images using composites though. Imagining the engine of a truck in 2 seconds and with infinite working detail is what proponents like OP and supporting actors think they can do.

[Anonymous No.13359972]

>>13359956
just did it

[Anonymous No.13360003]

>>13359956
>slowly
Speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.13360170]

>>13354649
Literally can't see anything, I can't imagine anything without context. I like fiction though. Where does that put me?

[Anonymous No.13360509]

>>13358995
t. doesn't dream at night

[Anonymous No.13360741]

>>13354649
I can't even describe what I see honestly. I think I'm seeing a red star but I honestly don't know. I have an easier time projecting scenes from a book than I do projecting single objects in a void. Like right know I'm writing about a guy using a bank counter with two swinging doors on the sides of it, and I can see the scene I want to describe perfectly, but trying to see a single star instead of it being on a painting or in some kind of context is weird to me.
Maybe I'm just exhausted and my brain can't catch up.

[Anonymous No.13360785]

>>13358480
>So You're not "seeing" shit.
If you can't literally see what you imagine, you're a dull NPC. How do you even try clothes on yourself or people you know?

[Anonymous No.13360821]

>>13354951
>that retarded image

The sun looks white you fucking mongoloid, it is not a red dwarf/giant.

[Anonymous No.13361009]

>>13354649
I'm level 6 and most fiction is either cringe or boring. Even most of the people you guys worship as classics such as Hemingway.

[Anonymous No.13361041]

>>13360741
That just means you're a normal human being, anon. That's how normal humans work. Don't worry.

[Anonymous No.13361049]

>>13361009
There is not a single word of this which is not bait.

[Anonymous No.13361158]

>>13354857
This. If you imagined anything other than an actual red star, you're underage. If you failed to imagine a star at all, you're probably deranged, and also underaged.
That being said, what I find funny is that whenever I imagine something, I cannot control it from spinning out of control for very long. Never understood why, but everything I see with my 'minds eye' (imagination) is very difficult to control and usually flies around, generally in circles.

[Anonymous No.13361786]

I can imagine scenes in books, like the battlefield in the Iliad, but to imagine an arbitrary object in my head is very difficult for me. With the star, I can visualise one point at a time like I’m zoomed in, but I can’t imagine it all at once. It’s like a shadow of an image in my head, very muted and blurry.

[Anonymous No.13361791]

>>13361158
It’s because that shit is unnatural when we force it. Prof. Zeman is a fraud and fell for people claiming to be able to produce and hold pictorial and vivid images

[Anonymous No.13361798]

>>13359972
No. You produced a few fleeting fragments

[Anonymous No.13362355]

>>13361798
I ask this with no ill intent, but do you have autism?

[Anonymous No.13362474]

>>13354767

Same senpai.

[Anonymous No.13362491]

>>13362355
Not him, but I don't have autism, if that helps.

[Anonymous No.13362537]

The fuck? I can literally do this with my eyes open and superimpose the image? Other can't?

[Anonymous No.13362562]

>>13359956
>Imagining the engine of a truck in 2 seconds and with infinite working detail i
sounds like savant territory

[Anonymous No.13362590]

>>13362355
No. Absolutely not autistic. Not super extroverted either. I enjoy jokes, art, music, literature, etc. I’m also a hobby photographer and enjoy post processing. I’m coming from a normal point of view in my opinion that an elaborate and pictorial minds eye is BS.

[Anonymous No.13362600]

>>13362590
>I enjoy jokes

[Anonymous No.13362659]

>>13362537
You can't superimpose the image. You can imagine the wall in front of your eyes with a star on it, but it's not the same as seeing that wall with a painted star on it. That would be a hallucination, and something to tell your doctor about.

[Anonymous No.13362666]

>>13362600
Yeah just move on with the answer. Not autistic. Chances were pretty low to begin with.

[Anonymous No.13362787]

>>13362659
No I can literally do that, with my eyes open. All my life. It's not 100% opaque as i can see through the images a little bit but I can do it with my eyes open.

[Anonymous No.13362799]

>>13362787
Yes, anon, everyone can do it with their eyes open. But you're zoned out. Your eyes may be pointed at the wall, and they may be open, but your brain is not focusing on the visual information it is receiving. It is imagining what that wall looks like with that red star.

[Anonymous No.13362852]

"Galton gave people some very detailed surveys, and found that some people did have mental imagery and others didn't. The ones who did had simply assumed everyone did, and the ones who didn't had simply assumed everyone didn't, to the point of coming up with absurd justifications for why they were lying or misunderstanding the question. There was a wide spectrum of imaging ability, from about five percent of people with perfect eidetic imagery to three percent of people completely unable to form mental images"

taken from: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/baTWMegR42PAsH9qJ/generalizing-from-one-example

Other things that are different between people: some people "see" text in their mind when they think, others "hear" the words. Still others don't think in words but scenes and images. And some people don't have an inner monologue at all, they just do their thinking in other ways.

The takeaway isn't "some people are NPCs" it's "there are many different ways to be, internally".

[Anonymous No.13362876]

>>13362852
>taken from: https://www.lesswrong.com

[Anonymous No.13362889]

When I close my eyes I can’t picture anything, i can imagine but that’s like going to a different world and I can do it with my eyes open.

[Anonymous No.13362945]

>>13362889
Fucking retard holy shit this is all about imagining what do you mean you can't see anything when you close your eyes THAT IS WHY YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES
Why is everyone trying to out-snowflake each other with this stupid test

[Anonymous No.13363043]

>>13362876
Don't knock it, it's a net good.
Same guy wrote a followup here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/03/17/what-universal-human-experiences-are-you-missing-without-realizing-it

[Anonymous No.13363060]

I had a friend who could adjust what she was seeing using her imagination, supposedly. Like, if she didn't like the way a room looked, she could manipulate the dimensions a bit to make it look right.

She could have been making it all up though.

[Anonymous No.13363075]

>>13362945
I was mostly replying to all the people doing that spinning experiment. For me it’s really easy to imagine a wheel spinning and stopping and going the other direction but I’m also still acutely aware of the blackness of my eyes being closed.

[Anonymous No.13363347]

>there are people who literally can't picture things inside their head
what the fuck
you guys are all trolling right?

[Anonymous No.13363382]

>>13363347
It does happen sometimes, typically people who apply idiosyncratic rules to interpret anything.
Say they can daydream only about spock, princess celestia when naked, and certain breeds of pokemon. Why? Because autism. But an autist does still dream, very intensely, but only in the narrow field of their tunnel vision.

Complete lack of imagination is rare (brain diseases affecting mirror neurons). People so afflicted have bigger problems, as they also score a severe learning disability (you need to imagine the explained model to understand).

[Anonymous No.13363441]

>>13354649
as someone with aphantasia 100% yes

[Anonymous No.13363451]

>>13363347
Yea, as someone with aphantasia the idea of visualization is weird to me lmao.

[Anonymous No.13363590]

>>13363451
What's it like trying to do math that involves 3D objects?

[Anonymous No.13363604]

When I imagine things it feels like it's in a second field of vision, outside the bounds of my normal field of vision.

[Anonymous No.13363666]

>>13363590
I normally do it with paper and pencil, so I can just use the model they draw out, but I imagine it'd be difficult without that.

[Anonymous No.13363676]

>>13356455
I know which one you came from I think

[Anonymous No.13363685]

>>13363604
it really is sort of like a "third eye", where rather than your left eye being closed so your right eye sees or vice versa, both your eyes are uninvolved but the mind still "sees"

[Anonymous No.13364178]

>>13363666
>but I imagine

[Anonymous No.13364245]

>>13355402
I have had the same thing as a child. It was usually a pair of scissors cutting my tongue. Do you know anything else about this?
>>13359061
Do you "see" it, like the afterimage of staring at at a light bulb, or do you just conceptualize it?

[Anonymous No.13364247]

I can visualize stuff but not for long and it always looks like shitty 3dcg.

[Anonymous No.13364315]

>>13355402
I have OCD and I have similar methods for unwanted thoughts and images.

For example, if I see a "cannot unsee" shock image that requires eyebleach, I imagine a sphere around the image, and I imagine it contracting to a point, taking the image with it.

Then I imagine it being taken far, far away, across vast reaches of space, and thrown into the black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy, locking it away until the heat death of the universe.

Unfortunately, this means I can never visit the center of the galaxy, as all my unwanted thoughts are there.

[Anonymous No.13364324]

>>13364247
I have more trouble imagining animated things than hyper realistic things.

[Anonymous No.13364332]

>>13364245
The same way i see a daydream

[Anonymous No.13364584]

>>13354649
non fiction is more epic

[Anonymous No.13364772]

>>13354649
I prefer historical accounts or stories relatively based on real events (technically every historical account pre 19th century are basically stylized "realistic" fiction anyhow) humans are infinitely more interesting and horrifying than what some lazy jerkoff with a MBA who doesnt want to work can think of

[Anonymous No.13364816]

You know there's this old saying that goes "if you don't use it you lose it"

If you don't work out or do exercise your muscles will shrink and be small and puny.

Likewise, if you play Vidya and watch anime or otherwise consume massive amounts of visual media your minds eye is getting zero exercise. Fear not anons. Read books try to draw something. Do this everyday and overtime your minds eye will become great again.

[Anonymous No.13364841]

>>13364178
kek

[Anonymous No.13364843]

>>13354649
So here's the thing, and something that this test doesn't register, I imagine a start that oozed out gravy-thick blood and dripped it onto itself and kept swirling it around but I could compare that to actually seeing something and call that a 1-5. Essentially, despite my relatively clear image, the potency of such is far removed from what I would actually visually experience that "seeing" something becomes a paltry comparison. I don't fall into 1-6, but I think that conservative gradation is indicative of self confidence and a question of objectively comparing it to reality. E.g. I could pick 5 because that's how intense the red I saw was when compared to actually seeing a deep carmine or ruby. Basically, there isn't a clear definition of internal sensation because well, we don't actually know if it's the same for everyone, and we can't have a common vocabulary for it because of the uncertainty of the aforementioned

[Anonymous No.13364878]

>>13354678
This sounds worse than losing an arm

[Anonymous No.13364907]

>>13354649
>This must be why some people can't enjoy fiction.
I'm a flat zero on that scale and I enjoy fiction.

[Anonymous No.13364934]

I can visualize anything and do so with a high degree of detail. I can visualize my moms face and tell you where her wrinkles are and where they point to. I can't forget faces. I rarely listen to music because I just let it play in my head. I can imagine myself at any point I've been and mentally walk places. It's absolutely over Aphantasiacels.

[Anonymous No.13364957]

>>13354649
What if I can't imagine a red star when I close my eyes but can see it clearly when I stare at a blank wall?

[Anonymous No.13365123]

>>13354649
Depends if I'm high on ketamine or not. Easily a 5 or a 6 at times.

[Anonymous No.13365147]

>>13355402
Sounds like legit OCD senpai, you should probably do some reading into it if it still causes you distress as an adult

OCD that causes intrusive thoughts like this is way more common than the Howard Hughes germaphobic repeated-actions/rituals type

[Anonymous No.13365175]

>tfw missing my right occipital and parietal lobes
>working memory is borked (I already don't remember getting up this morning) and I can add, substract, multiply numbers into the thousands like a normal adult, but it literally feels like I'm straining a muscle to try and do simple division
>sometimes get wild auditory hallucinations at night that sound like Robert Fripp is composing a guitar symphony in my head but I have no musical ability, other times it's random radio noise with foreign voices fading in and out
>basic anxiety/depression of the usual modern existential sort but otherwise considered normal from a psychiatric perspective

I always have vivid dreams where I can read, hear, feel pain, and all the things you're supposed to be not able to do in a dream. Often nightmares, occasionally sleep paralysis. Feels like I'm being burnt alive.

When I'm awake, I can imagine things more or less okay from what others describe, but it's not actually in front of my eyes like dreaming feels like, and I can only imagine still images. I also struggle to recall memories as images etc. rather than just the 'fact' of a memory.

[Anonymous No.13365188]

>there are people who can't play back songs they've heard in their head

[Anonymous No.13365309]

>>13365188
Most can I assume. But not this minds eye crap.

[Anonymous No.13365348]

>>13355000
Check'd
>>13355001
Lewd

[Anonymous No.13365426]

>>13355596
Do you physically paint it?
>>13356613
That is slow as fuck, step it up my nigga
>>13364315
That's cool but unhealthy my man, maybe start a diary? Cheaper than therapy.

[Anonymous No.13365441]

>>13361049
I'm being honest. I am also not sure if it's healthy to rationalize every dissenting opinion you come across as a false craft from someone who wants an emotional reaction to you.

[Anonymous No.13365451]

>>13365441
Anon, if you don't realise why it's bait then you haven't been on this board long enough.

[Anonymous No.13365457]

>>13365451
Hemingway and the majority of fiction authors just aren't interesting writers. I'm the one who you guys are accusing of creating the "bait."

[Anonymous No.13365469]

>>13365457
The prevailing circlejerk on /lit/ is that Hemmingway isn't good (usually with the exception of The Old Man and the Sea). He definitely wouldn't be the example you'd choose for "authors /lit/ thinks wrote classics" (Pynchon, Joyce, or Melville would be much better).

[Anonymous No.13365524]

>>13354857
YOU FUCKING RETARD YOU JUST ALERTED NIBIRU TO YOUR PRESENCE

[Anonymous No.13365527]

>>13365519
Apply your brain for a second and see why saying "I don't like that guy you worship, hemmingway" would be bait given /lit/ circlejerks against hemmingway.

[Anonymous No.13365631]

>>13354649
I can't easily visualize things in my head but I really enjoy reading fiction.

What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.13366097]

>>13365631
I don't get it. What's going on in your mind when an author describes the scene? Like a girl in a white dress running barefoot in a grassy meadow on a summer's evening - do you just not visualise the girl and the meadow in your mind at all?

[Anonymous No.13366105]

>>13366097
Not him, but I'm thinking about how erect I am at the girl's bare feet.

[Anonymous No.13366161]

>>13366097
Not really, I might get an rough still image of it but that's about it, I can't visualize it in motion and/or with a lot of detail.

[Anonymous No.13366190]

Try to picture a Greek/Roman statue. now warp it in different ways, stretching and shrinking different parts of it and making it rotate. if you couldn’t, you aren’t 140+ IQ. sorry.

[Anonymous No.13366200]

>>13366161
Well something like aphantasia is probably a spectrum. Some people can't see even an image in their head. You might be on that spectrum though, because a lot of people can visualise scenes and moving objects in their head moderately to vividly.

[Anonymous No.13366246]

I dont believe that people don't have complete control over their minds eye. That makes no sense. You've seen things your entire life and you try to tell me that you're unable to imagine things? Nonsense, this is some weird psyop where people are pretending to be unable to do something incredible basic so that normal people can think of themselves as being species when all you're doing is something that everyone can do.
Like this >>13366190 literally everyone can do this and it doesn't take effort nor does it take an IQ of 140+. This is dumb

[Anonymous No.13366288]

>>13366161
>I might get an rough still image of it
Then you're fine and normal.

[Anonymous No.13366403]

>>13354775
>browsing /pol/.
go back

[Anonymous No.13366405]

>>13366105
Footfags disgust me

[Anonymous No.13366410]

>>13366405
This post, too, gives me an erection.

[Anonymous No.13366417]

>>13354775
Does it not occur to you to wonder where that /pol/ack got his picture?

[Anonymous No.13366430]

>>13355207

[Anonymous No.13366594]

>>13354649
Keyword VOLUNTARY control. We still have visual cortexes and mental imagery nigger, it's not like we're blind.

[Anonymous No.13366945]

>>13354899
is this a joke? it's pathetically easy

[Anonymous No.13366963]

>>13354670
>he doesn't turn what he reads into pure KINO

[Anonymous No.13367033]

I might be an NPC. When I read I never get this "movie effect", I also get really bored by character descriptions since I don't visualize anything. HOWEVER, when I think back and remember stuff I've read it's all just visual memories of scenes in that "movie effect" style. What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.13367786]

>>13354940
>