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[Anonymous No.13351137]

How do I fall out of Schopenhauer's futility mindset?

Jesus?!?!?

[Anonymous No.13351152]

>>13351137
funny... I'm reading culture of narcissism as i'm typing this. Unveil your mind anon, let's have a chat.

[Anonymous No.13351158]

>>13351152
I could settle and commit to a girlfriend, but I want to sleep with tons of QTs. Decisions, decisions.

I cannot define myself except by my ability to make money and have sex.

[Anonymous No.13351195]

>>13351158
hm, you only wrote 3 phrases, and said "I" 3 times, "myself" 1 and "my" 1. You don't have to be defined by anything. You, as a matter of fact, are just an animal with the illusion of being someone. The sooner you realize this, the better. Avoid unnecessary pain, anon. Dump the "self".

[Anonymous No.13351214]

>>13351195
Compassion seems like a meme. Is there anything written about being apart of something greater than oneself. I suppose Transcendentalism.

[Anonymous No.13351235]

>>13351195
Plus everything seems to be defined by conflict, so peaceful living becomes uneventful

[Anonymous No.13351316]

>>13351214
>>13351235
There's tons of stuff out there about "being a part of something greater than oneself" that's the whole point of being human, we strive for meaning, that is, for a narrative, we need some omnipotent character to tell us that all this stuff happening has a connection somehow, that's why we need religion, self-help, Peterson, Literature, conflict, catharsis, guilt.

[Anonymous No.13351357]

I still don't know how's that translates into a modus operandi... i read the stuff, as for applying it... shit.

[Anonymous No.13351362]

Hegel
Worked for me
It’s like Kierkegaard’s leap of faith, but instead Hegel makes the case that it’s a completely reasonable step

Of course it would help if you had a friend who could read it with you

[Anonymous No.13351438]

>>13351362
The closest thing i got to a practical way of being a human being whilst not being so shitty was Jung method of individuation. It was a complicated method with lots of steps, but the summary would be a dislocation of your "self" from your conscience to a place between the conscious and unconscious. It would be a being that would be unique in the way he performed with/for society.
As for Hegel I didn't read him, could you elaborate on it ? pretend i know nothing of the man...because i don't.

[Anonymous No.13351454]

Take pleasure in the knowledge that you are utterly helpless to resist the flow of causality, accept it, and suddenly that sense of futility is indistinguishable from the comfort of faith. Your body and mind are mere machines, this should be a huge relief to you. This notion that helplessness and uncertainty are bad things is totally absurd. The only alternative to helplessness and uncertainty is delusion.

[Anonymous No.13351465]

>>13351454
>>13351195
>you're just a meaningless pussy
>so do what you want

[Anonymous No.13351496]

>>13351465
Get over yourself, faggot.

[Anonymous No.13351499]

>>13351465
> do nothing, get rewarded
I like it!

[Anonymous No.13351528]

>>13351454
Now this seems Kierkegaard. Didn't read nothing of the man myself, but i know his take one the leap of faith. It seems condescending... and a bit indulgent if you ask me. See this is my problem with most philosophies, it's that most of them, if not all of them, are irreconcilable with reality. So here's my take on the matter:
- Be selfless, but not irresponsible.

[Anonymous No.13352871]

>>13351137

[Anonymous No.13353111]

it was solved nigh two thousand years ago


>Many times it has happened: Lifted out of the body into myself; becoming external to all other things and self-encentered; beholding a marvellous beauty; then, more than ever, assured of community with the loftiest order; enacting the noblest life, acquiring identity with the divine; stationing within It by having attained that activity; poised above whatsoever within the Intellectual is less than the Supreme: yet, there comes the moment of descent from intellection to reasoning, and after that sojourn in the divine, I ask myself how it happens that I can now be descending, and how did the soul ever enter into my body, the soul which, even within the body, is the high thing it has shown itself to be.
>Heraclitus, who urges the examination of this matter, tells of compulsory alternation from contrary to contrary, speaks of ascent and descent, says that "change reposes," and that "it is weariness to keep toiling at the same things and always beginning again"; but he seems to teach by metaphor, not concerning himself about making his doctrine clear to us, probably with the idea that it is for us to seek within ourselves as he sought for himself and found.
>Empedocles-where he says that it is law for faulty souls to descend to this sphere, and that he himself was here because he turned a deserter, wandered from God, in slavery to a raving discord- reveals neither more nor less than Pythagoras and his school seem to me to convey on this as on many other matters; but in his case, versification has some part in the obscurity.
>We have to fall back on the illustrious Plato, who uttered many noble sayings about the soul, and has in many places dwelt upon its entry into body so that we may well hope to get some light from him.

[Anonymous No.13353118]

>>13353111
>What do we learn from this philosopher?
>We will not find him so consistent throughout that it is easy to discover his mind.
>Everywhere, no doubt, he expresses contempt for all that is of sense, blames the commerce of the soul with body as an enchainment, an entombment, and upholds as a great truth the saying of the Mysteries that the soul is here a prisoner. In the Cavern of Plato and in the Cave of Empedocles, I discern this universe, where the breaking of the fetters and the ascent from the depths are figures of the wayfaring toward the Intellectual Realm.
>In the Phaedrus he makes a failing of the wings the cause of the entry to this realm: and there are Periods which send back the soul after it has risen; there are judgements and lots and fates and necessities driving other souls down to this order.
>In all these explanations, he finds guilt in the arrival of the soul at body, But treating, in the Timaeus, of our universe he exalts the kosmos and entitles it a blessed god, and holds that the soul was given by the goodness of the creator to the end that the total of things might be possessed of intellect, for thus intellectual it was planned to be, and thus it cannot be except through soul. There is a reason, then, why the soul of this All should be sent into it from God: in the same way the soul of each single one of us is sent, that the universe may be complete; it was necessary that all beings of the Intellectual should be tallied by just so many forms of living creatures here in the realm of sense.

[Anonymous No.13353285]

>>13351137
Buddhapill
Learn more about the very religion+philosophy that Schopenhauer misunderstood and got a lot of his ideas from

[Anonymous No.13353295]

Realize Schopenhauer was wrong and move on to Nietzsche or Kierkegaard

[Anonymous No.13353362]

>>13351137
yes, now become Huysmans

[Anonymous No.13353377]

>>13351137
>How do I fall out of Schopenhauer's futility mindset?
Read the sequels

[Anonymous No.13353382]

>>13352871
>>13353377
Should've checked the thread first

[Anonymous No.13353752]

>>13353285
i know he was a big fan of the bhagavad gita and considered it to be the greatest philosophy humanity had ever written but what did he have to say about buddhism?

[Anonymous No.13353766]

>>13353752
I don't have anything concrete I just remember reading that schopenhauer thought the Buddhist approach of denying the will to be essentially correct. Although translations in his day were really spotty so it'd be interesting to see what he thought of the middle path among other things.

[Anonymous No.13353800]

>>13353766
well regardless, buddhapill all the way nigga

[Anonymous No.13353883]

>>13353766
>>13353800
>>13353285
For reading suttas:
http://obo.genaud.net/backmatter/indexes/sutta/sutta_toc.htm
For great secondary texts:
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/books/