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13349620 No.13349620 [Reply] [Original]

Is Marxism unfalsifiable?

>> No.13349632

>>13349620
What the fuck does that even mean? Marxism is a theoretical framework to analyse Capitalism and its shortcomings, with Marx being the chief figure. It's a perspective and a way of thinking.

>> No.13349636

No, but metaphysics is.

>> No.13349637

Yes, read Voegelin.

>> No.13349758

marxism is based on historical materialism which is unfalsifiable and pretty worthless

>> No.13349781

>>13349758
this except dialectical materialism is based and material dialectics is cancer

>> No.13349881

>>13349781
dialectical materialism is trash as an epistemology but fine as praxis for for doing mass org political organizing

>> No.13349915
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13349915

I hate to sound like a traitorous alarmist and enemy of the revolution and the march of historical necessity but this board is dying/dead because of threads and posts like these

>> No.13349926

The immortal science of Marxism-Leninism has no place for trash Popperian middlebrow notions such as unfalsifiability.

>> No.13349933

>>13349915
It's inevitable. Userbase increases, lowest common denominator prevails, average thread goes from slow and thoughtful to shit like "Is ____ good?" "Should I read ___?" "___ is bad fight me" because people just want to post for the sake of posting. Board gets more of a shallow chatroom feel than a real forum. Board dies.

>> No.13349973

>>13349620
It's supposed to be a science so obviously you are supposed to be trying to find what things they got wrong and correct them

>> No.13350181

>>13349881
cringe

>> No.13350470

Yes, Marxism is unfalsifiable, most of Marx thought about the communist structure is made from statements that are unfalsifiable, statements like "The motor of history is the fight of classes",

>> No.13350471

>>13349636
all thought is metaphysics

>> No.13350473

>>13350470
That's not an unfalsifiable statement.

>> No.13350483

>>13350473
Why not? (I'm not denying the existence of a fight of classes, I'm denying the role of the fight of classes as the motor of all history)

>> No.13350503

>>13350470
>"According to the materialist conception of history, the ultimately determining element in history is the production and reproduction of real life. Other than this neither Marx nor I have ever asserted. Hence if somebody twists this into saying that the economic element is the only determining one, he transforms that proposition into a meaningless, abstract, senseless phrase."

>> No.13350510

>>13350181
>one word worthless posts
yikes

>> No.13350539

>>13350503
Is
>the ultimately determining element in history is the production and reproduction of real life.
falsifiable?

>> No.13350862

>>13350510
yikes

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13350875

it doesn't matter whether if it's unfalsifiable or not.

>> No.13350886

>>13349620
>materialist hegelianism
dumb and gay
there i did it

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>>13350886
you're gay tho

>> No.13350923

>>13349881
yeah that's gunna be a yikes from me dog