/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13340471]

Thoughts on zen philosophy? What should I read to get more in-depth knowledge about it?

[Anonymous No.13340475]

Read The Bible instead bugman degenerate scum.

[Anonymous No.13340480]

>>13340475
Sorry I'm not interested in fantasy books.

[Anonymous No.13340884]

>>13340480
based

[Anonymous No.13340900]

Zen in the art of archery.
Chuang tzu
Tao te ching
Book of five rings.

Alternately you could sand some wood.

[Anonymous No.13340902]

>>13340480
>>13340884
>OP same-fagging
To answer your question though Zen is mostly just a meme , just study Ch'an Buddhism texts like the Platform, Lankavatara, Surangama Sutras etc, or better yet Taoism and Hindu thought.

[Anonymous No.13341065]

>>13340471
Robert Aitkens 'Taking the Path of Zen' is a good starting point but its a certainly a western perspective on the practice.

If you are interested in Soto Zen you should read master Dōgen. Such as 'Instructions for the Zen Cook' which draws parallels between everyday work such as cooking and Zen practice.

'Zen Studies podcast' is also a good guide into Soto Zen.

When you have an overview you can go on to read the Diamond Sutra and the Heart Sutra which are central texts.

From there you can probably navigate yourself into the koan work if you want to venture into it.

[Anonymous No.13341098]

>>13340475
evola thought Buddhism was based

[Anonymous No.13341133]

>tfw living in Asia
>tfw surrounded by arrogant, aggressive, hair-trigger temper toxic expat "buddhists" who post staged color filtered pictures on their instagrams of themselves meditating and talking about how enlightened they are

[Anonymous No.13341154]

>>13340475
>revolt against the modern world
>t. made using a modern computer
this is like that picture of that protester holding up a sign saying "computers are the devil" (or something like that) when the font on the sign was clearly written on a computer

[Anonymous No.13341179]

>>13340471
>zen
>read
lol

[Anonymous No.13341186]

>>13341179
This

[Anonymous No.13341192]

>>13341133
jungle asia or weeb asia?

[Anonymous No.13341218]

>>13341154

[Anonymous No.13341226]

>>13341218
Based neofeudalism post

[Anonymous No.13341229]

>>13340471
Borges did a good introductory lecture on zen. Read 7 nights.

[Anonymous No.13341280]

>>13340475

[Anonymous No.13341317]

>>13341154
But "revolting against the modern world" is not about materialism. Even the /pol/tards understand that it is about returning to the virtues of the past.
The Material aspects of modernity are just that, the material aspects, and changing them is simply beyond individual humans but what they can change is how they decide to live their lives.

[Anonymous No.13341324]

>>13341317
>that it is about returning to the virtues of the past.
so we should go stealing the women of neighbouring towns?

[Anonymous No.13341327]

>>13341280
Renouncing the 3D flesh in favour of 2D perfection is certainly an act of rebellion against modernity.

[Anonymous No.13341333]

>>13341324
That would be a practical solution to the incel Problem.

God, I wish I could plunder a village with my mates and rape some cute girls.

[Anonymous No.13341368]

>>13341333

you can right now, you're just not likely to live long afterwards

[Anonymous No.13341381]

>>13341280
That art's not very good.

[Anonymous No.13341384]

>>13341368
>you can right now
That's absurd, and we both know it. Neither do I have a group to do this, nor can I acquire the weapons, nor is there any chance of me succeeding as the police will arrive very soon. It's missing the entire point.

[Anonymous No.13341399]

>>13341384

where there's a will, there's a way. start some kind of club for people like yourself. meet once a week, do training exercises

[Anonymous No.13341418]

>>13341399
The notion is absurd and there really is little point pretending otherwise.
The worldly conditions have made it impossible.

As a substitute I am planning on becoming a voluntary firefighter, at least it has some of the central aspects of that and (hopefully) won't lead to me getting a lifesentence for heinous crimes.

[Anonymous No.13341423]

>>13341280
>>13341327
>>13341333
>>13341368
>>13341384
>>13341399
Please don't derail this thread into degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.13341454]

>>13340471
The Way of Zen by Alan Watts is a good place to start. Much more readable than Suzuki, esp. for beginners.

[Anonymous No.13341490]

>>13340902
Why is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.13341546]

>>13341490
He just brought that statement directly from his ass.

[Anonymous No.13341921]

>reading mishima's priest of shiga temple and his love
>saturated in buddhism
>priest's bit is that they abstain from worldly materialism...and the gain is living in a goldplated luxurious after-death paradise...aka materialism

if abstaining from materialism is supposed to liberate you, why is everything in the afterlife about ridiculously luxurious materialism? gold palaces, streets of jade and silver, endless feasts, beautiful silk clothing fit for emperors, etc? this is the most retarded thing i've ever read in my life. the priest spends all this time thinking he's better than people who are seeking gold in this life, but all he's doing is seeking gold in the next life. it's the same thing.

[Anonymous No.13342148]

>>13341921
metaphors

[Anonymous No.13342174]

>>13342148
>get called out on being hypocritical
>m-muh metaphors
yeah right.

[Anonymous No.13342214]

>>13342148
>turns out it was just a metaphor for investing money with compound interest

[Anonymous No.13342307]

>>13341921
>>reading mishima's priest of shiga temple and his love

You're retarded if you think a work of fiction has any concrete resemblances with the real visions of buddhism. You should read authentic texts from the masters and their relative schools, literally nowhere in buddhism someone says to look up for the afterlife gratification, nothing like that.

One of the main thought of buddhism is to left your ego go away in order to see reality in a pure and unfiltered way. Your mind is like a cloud that prevent you to see the moon (truth). All the process of zen meditation is path to cleanse those clouds from your mind.

[Anonymous No.13342334]

>>13340471
Why does Herbert chose Zen Buddhism of all things to combine with Islam in the Dune series?

[Anonymous No.13342340]

>>13341921
The streets of Heaven are gold, but only Mammon stares at them.

[Anonymous No.13342346]

>>13340475
Nothing more bugmanish than reducing the core of all universal phenomena to a single sky deity.

[Anonymous No.13342348]

>>13342334
Maybe they were just two things he was interested in?

[Anonymous No.13342360]

Žižek mentioned during the Peterson debate that Zen at War left him horrified.

[Anonymous No.13342386]

>>13342348
I ask because I wonder if there is any common ground between the two, since I imagine there isn't.

[Anonymous No.13342394]

>>13340471

Herman Hesse - Siddhartha

[Anonymous No.13342417]

>>13342386
There is between Sufi teachings and Zen. To the extent that Zen was turned or influenced by the authorities into something promoting warrior culture in WW2 there may be parallels there to

[Anonymous No.13343032]

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[Anonymous No.13343584]

>>13342346
this

[Anonymous No.13343681]

>>13342386
Zen masters actually cite mystics such as Rumi in Islam and Meister Eckhart the christian mystic to relate their thinking to other experience-focused religious traditions. So the connection is not unfounded. Even if the religious ethics and method is widely different.

[Anonymous No.13343747]

>>13341133
>become buddhist
>miss the whole fucking point and develop a huge "spiritual" ego

lmaoing @ these guys

[Anonymous No.13343835]

Is it possible to practice zen meditation and at the same time having a functional social life?

[Anonymous No.13343862]

>>13340471
The Record of Linji is the best
also Platform Sutra
Diamond Sutra

[Anonymous No.13343878]

>>13343032
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[Anonymous No.13343988]

>>13343878
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[Anonymous No.13344032]

>>13341133
I don't think almost anyone (western) who espouses Buddhism is actually Buddhist in practice.
When I was in college I had a roommate with the om symbol tattoo'd on his shoulder.
He was easily one of the most unstable, emotionally volatile people I've met in my life.

[Anonymous No.13345225]

>>13340471

[Anonymous No.13345431]

>>13341454
The Book is also a good introduction to his philosophy, very accessible.

[Anonymous No.13345444]

just finished a 6 month stay at a monastery. the insight i gained through meditation and reflection dwarfs all the literature i'd read.

>>13343835
yes

>>13342394
good book

[Anonymous No.13345660]

>>13340900
based dubs

even the stoics kind of tap into that zen mindset.

the I ching is another good one.

[Anonymous No.13345679]

>>13340471
I used to be into Zen, but I dropped it after questioning its heavy antinomian tendencies more.

[Anonymous No.13345711]

There are a large number of posts in this thread which speak of things other than Zen but name it Zen anyway, or who are otherwise mistaken about Zen. A Zen master would say that these people will one day have to pay for all the food wasted on them.
Now, we are quite lucky in that there is a reasonable amount of Zen teaching from the old masters that survives to this day. If you want to "get more in-depth knowledge" about Zen, these are the texts you should read. You should avoid for the longest time anything other than the Chinese masters, lest you be lead astray by a false teacher.

[Anonymous No.13346129]

>>13341154

[Anonymous No.13346183]

>>13345444
In what monastery?

[Anonymous No.13346194]

>>13340900
>Zen in the art of archery

The book was written by a nazi eager to look for new ways of controling the mental and the body to assist german soldiers in the nazi cause.

I strongly don't recommend to read this if you have the will to understand more about zen buddhism because at the end of the book it is clear that despite spending 5 years of his life trying to learn more about zen the autor had no idea what his master was trying to communicate to him.

Only interesting to read for historical values.

[Anonymous No.13346204]

>>13341179
Zen readings are always good to take because they remind you how to recenter the mind to the essential.
But of course you have to make the experience of zen first before trying to learn about it.

[Anonymous No.13346206]

>>13340480
based and rationalpilled

[Anonymous No.13346209]

>>13340471
is there any unbroken chain of zen transmission? shaolin monks are supposedly zen monks, but when westerners talk about zen they don't mean that

[Anonymous No.13346211]

>>13345679
What do you mean ? Are you saying that zen is a way of political relativism like slavoj zizek ?

[Anonymous No.13346221]

>>13341179
>just be yourself

[Anonymous No.13346226]

>>13342360
but Zizek has written equally horrifying things
https://www.lacan.com/zizrobes.htm

[Anonymous No.13346231]

>>13345711
but zen is about direct transmission, reading the books will get you nothing

[Anonymous No.13346241]

>>13346231
Zen masters disagree. "One does not drive a nail into the empty sky"

[Anonymous No.13346276]

>>13341921

expedient means.

[Anonymous No.13346282]

>>13346241
if they disagree why did they kept autistically detailed records of the chains of transmission?

[Anonymous No.13346294]

>>13346282
I feel like you've forgotten what the OP actually asked.

[Anonymous No.13346300]

>>13346294
so? if you want to know zen pay attention to what actual zen masters did, not what some dungeon wanker tells you about them

[Anonymous No.13346312]

>>13346300
What? If you want to know about Zen, of course you should read the Zen masters. In fact, that's exactly what I said.

[Anonymous No.13346319]

>>13346312
zen has texts but also praxis, it's not a literary movement

[Anonymous No.13346322]

Zen is what you do when you fail to understand buddhism but still want to be called a buddhist

[Anonymous No.13346327]

>>13346322
i thought that was called being a Californian

[Anonymous No.13346331]

>>13346319
very clever..

[Anonymous No.13346937]

"if you find the Buddha on your way, kill the Buddha."

[Anonymous No.13346971]

>>13346937
based and psychopilled

[Anonymous No.13347215]

bump

[Anonymous No.13347584]

>>13346129
It's different when the critic is indulging in a luxury. That comic is rubbish.

[Anonymous No.13348032]

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[Anonymous No.13348040]

>>13340475
this is awesome bait.

[Anonymous No.13348042]

lobotomy will suffice, or some antidepressant that castrates your ability for reason and thought.

[Anonymous No.13348051]

>>13340475
Is this that compassionate and tempered christliness I've heard so much about?

[Anonymous No.13348094]

>>13346937
If the buddhas block, kill the buddhas. If the gods block, kill the gods.

[Anonymous No.13348107]

>>13346319
Why are you certain that another man can who swindles others for money is any better at understanding zen texts than yourself?
One has to be charismatic for swindling money out of others, not enlightened.

[Anonymous No.13348147]

>>13340471

[Anonymous No.13348281]

>>13340902
damn

[Anonymous No.13348788]

I wish samurai were still alive.

[Anonymous No.13349072]

>>13346937
Eckhartpilled

[Anonymous No.13349254]

>>13346183
Like in Hesse's Sidhartha

[Anonymous No.13350221]

>>13341154
That phrase doesn't have anything to do with the material world, you retard.