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What is some good literature that deals with the Christian dark ages?

>> No.13330421

>>13330409
This pic might be the biggest meme in /his/ so not going to say it,
but... what happened to 500-1000AD?

>> No.13330488

>>13330409
None, because it never happened

>> No.13330496

>>13330488

t. freshman

>> No.13330504

>>13330421
A whole lot actually, but the name “dark ages” that’s for some reason widely used to describe and that dumbass pic makes it seem like literally nothing at all was going on

>> No.13330518

I know two but they're only available in Dutch. Maybe Wickhams Framing the early middle ages.

>> No.13330541

>>13330496
Well, it is quite inaccurate.

Not to mention scientific progress isn't linear like that.

>> No.13330558

>>13330488
seething christcuck

>> No.13330560
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Canticle of Lebowitz

>> No.13330565

the Christian ORTHODOX dark ages you fuckin drongo cunt

>> No.13330576
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Posting the real graph for clarification

>> No.13330589
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Most of his books about Christianity will set you straight.

>> No.13330593

>>13330409
just think about it........ we could've been exploring space right now............................

>> No.13330805

>>13330409
St. Augustine - The City of God
It is a counter essay to how romans at the time thought that Rome fall from glory was due them turning their backs at the ancient parthenon.

>> No.13330833

>>13330409
If we just admitted to the science of race and IQ we could be in space right now.

>> No.13330967

>>13330589
LOL, those crazy christian apologetics. Such a twisted web they weave to justify their belief system.

>> No.13331014

>>13330833
Really shows the mentality of minorities, they are leeches even of the soul, it’s how they view themselves. They actually identify as people who wait for white people to advance science, and they are now offended by the period following the fall of the Roman Empire for not producing it fast enough. Is there a single question as to why Asia didn’t advance even though they didn’t have christianity (yet, as christianity did advance science). Probably shouldn’t mention africa and suffer their mental gymnastics about why there’s nothing there.

Every single one of these people needs to be killed.

>> No.13331058

>>13330967
They were both the bulwark of literally and civilization and the gaoler of independent thought.

>> No.13331064

"The long morning of medieval europe"

>> No.13331181

>>13330409
Beyond being wrong, that graph doesn't even follow the trajectory it established in the green

>> No.13331190

>>13330488
This but unironically

>> No.13331208

>>13331181
It's following the trajectory of the pink and red

>> No.13331467

>>13331208
yeah but why? the Renaissance was a necessary catalyst for the Age of Enlightenment, according to this graph if we remove the "Christian Dark Ages", we'd somehow move from Emperor Nero to the French Revolutuion? Regardless, dumb pop-history graph that appeals to the reddit crowd.

>> No.13331485

>>13331467
It's a troll picture. But yes that is what it is implying

>> No.13331498

>>13330576
Based

>> No.13331542

>>13330409
Change it to "Capitalist dark ages" and I bet /lit/ would unironically agree with it

>> No.13331558

The worst part of this is how it treats scientific advancement as if it has to do with quality of life.

>> No.13331560

>>13330576
>Pre-Diluvian Babylon
Redpilled

>> No.13331567

>>13331558
It does though. Unless you would rather be a peasant with no rights

>> No.13331577

>>13331567
There are peasants with no rights in the present day

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>>13330576
krank basiert

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>>13330409
The Name of the Rose

"Scientific Advancement" isn't a real unit BTW. Not that I disagree with what they're trying to say.

>> No.13331964

>>13330409
God how I hate that fucking retared graph.
t. atheist

>> No.13331976

THE RULE OF SAINT BENEDICT, GODDAMMIT. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS BOARD?

>> No.13331988

>>13331962
>The Name of the Rose
>dark ages
>novel takes place in 1327
WROOOOONG

>> No.13331996

>>13330409
This is XKCD right ?

>> No.13331997

>>13331962
Giving the new world towers isn’t accurate. The native americans lacked the pasture animals necessary to facilitate trade and large empires so they never did shit.

>> No.13332886

>>13331964
>t. falseflagging christcuck

>> No.13332920

I remember when people used to unironically post that picture. You can occasionally still find a "chartist" in Youtube comments.

>> No.13333115

>>13330560
Based

>> No.13333124

>>13330488
based

>> No.13333148

>>13330409
the Etymologiae by Isidore of Seville
Historia de regibus Gothorum, Vandalorum et Suevorum by Isidore of Seville

>> No.13333164

Why is it that the people who complain about "muh Christianity delaying muh super cool AI future" have never actually made contributions toward said future? Rhetorical question btw get your head out of your ass

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>>13330409

>> No.13333359

>>13331567
>rights are a product of science
Rights are unjustifiable btw.

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http://www.san.beck.org/EC6cover.html

>> No.13333425

>>13333359
So is science

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13333431

>>13330576
>Proto-kangdoms

>> No.13333785

>>13330576
Memes aside, we did lose an advanced civilization in the meltwater pulses at either end of the Younger Dryas.

>> No.13333840

>>13333785
prove it

>> No.13333943
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>>13330496
>>13330558
No, he's actually right. The "Dark Ages" notion was invented by Petrarch to describe everything since the fall of Rome. Then later that smoothbrain Gibbon bought into a bunch of Anti-Catholic propaganda and made some shit up about some kind of nuclear meltdown of civilization in which all science and technology was lost and all of Europe backslid into primitive barbarism.

Except that's actually the exact opposite of what happened. Rome collapsed, but Western and Central Europe developed enormously during the "dark ages," much of it went from tribal barbarians to developed feudal societies, which is a huge step up from what it had been. The Greek Romans were doing just fine as well, in fact they did their best work during the dark ages, and they were perfectly Christian.

The whole concept is just retarded. The Dark Ages didn't happen.

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13333985

>>13333943
>that smoothbrain Gibbon
Works flawlessly

>> No.13334024

Atheists aren’t the brightest

>> No.13334072

>>13333785
The Flood story in Genesis is literally about the collapse of the Ice Age civilizations.

>> No.13334106

>>13333943
>much of it went from tribal barbarians to developed feudal societies, which is a huge step up from what it had been.

Why?

>> No.13334210

>>13331014
Absolutely seething

>> No.13334346

middle ages is garbage in terms of literature compared to antiquity and the renaissance. it's embarrassing.

>> No.13334400

>>13330496
>>13330558
>>13331190
>>13331498
the holy quadrant of meme replies

>> No.13334402

>>13334400
cope

>> No.13334463

>>13333840
Can't prove it, in any scientific manner, maybe never will be able to. But the high degree of astronomical knowledge and cultural development implied by the megalithic installations at Golbeki Tepi and the Sphinx (amongst other sites dating to this period) imply a culture that spent lots of time developing these sciences and methods, but there are no precursor sites available for either culture that demonstrate the period of experimentation and iterative honing of these methods implied by the high level of development at these sites.

The most parsimonious explanation is that the evidence of earlier, lesser works is lost beneath the sea, because sea levels rose 200 meters between then and now, and therefore the best places for humans to settle in the world prior to 13,800 years ago are now all seabed.

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13334474

>>13334210
>>13334402
Go back

>> No.13334478

>>13334463
Gobleki tepe was also buried underground, which is possibly why it survived so long.

>> No.13334481

>>13334474
Cringe

>> No.13334515

>>13333328
Have you ever seen suburban America? They're the most religious people of all and the only buildings you'll find there are churches and franchise stores it's fucking hell.

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>>13334481
>tehe le cringe xD

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>Have you ever seen suburban America? They're the most religious people of all

>> No.13334652

>>13334478
It's intentional burial certainly helped make the dating of it's abandonment ironclad.
>>13334515
They don't have faith, which is why they wear their religion like a hair shirt.

>> No.13334663

>>13334346
Embarrassing to who?

>> No.13334689

Being a fedora atheist turned religious zealot has got to be the biggest meme belief on 4chan.

Especially the traditionalist catholic ones. They're hardcore cringe

>> No.13334725

>>13334689
Being christian is less cringe than being an atheist now though since christianity is no longer mainstream and promoted by the establishment. I think people realized there was no god when cheeto fascist got elected thanks to white mationalism and bigotry still being alive and well in the USKKK. It was Her turn.

>> No.13334899

>>13334725
>Being christian is less cringe than being an atheist now though since christianity is no longer mainstream and promoted by the establishment.

>this is what christfags actually think.

yeah, you're a real freethinker by following the dominant religion of the last millennium.

>> No.13334918

>>13334899
Well, atheists are following the dominant religion, at least in the west, of this century.
Scientific materialism is the most mainstream faith you can find here.

>> No.13334935

>>13334899
You think you’re free thinker for following the old bad new good dogma? You’re a consumer simp, your opinions are the product of advertising. You probably also value your individuality. “New” and “individuality” are the cash cows of the advertising business.

>> No.13334998

>>13330409
I hope these helps, anon
The City of God
Codex Justinianeus
Etymologiae
Historia de regibus Gothorum, Vandalorum et Suevorum
Historia Regum Britanniae
Le Morte d'Arthur
The Polychronicon https://books.google.com/books?id=2lQJAAAAQAAJ
The works of Gerald of Wales https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL928854A/Giraldus_Cambrensis
The Art of Courtly Love
The Canterbury Tales
Beowulf
The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle
The Song of Roland https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/391
Three Middle English Charlemagne Romances https://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/publication/lupack-three-middle-english-charlemagne-romances

>> No.13335701

>>13334515
>They're the most religious people of all
"No"

>> No.13335710

>>13330409
The timeline we have isn't even real.
>i699 switched to 1700

>> No.13335730

>>13334106
because feudalism is better than barbarism?

>> No.13335732

>>13334935
rekt

>> No.13335770

>>13335730
why tho

>> No.13336092

>>13330488
based and catholicpilled

>> No.13336171

>>13335730
Necessity, not moral judgments

>> No.13336185

>>13330488
Don't believe in God but this.
Dark ages is the biggest brainlet belief of them all.

>> No.13336191

A Canticle for Leibowitz