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These two men will be known as the most important thinkers in human history.

>> No.13310800

>>13310790
If they were right neo-cavemen will not remember them.

>> No.13310802

>>13310790
I've read the first but what is the second one about?

>> No.13310814

>>13310802
Cringey North American loser narcissist spamming his book all day instead of it allowing to naturally become popular.

>> No.13310828

>>13310802
An expansion on power/powerlessness in modern society.

>> No.13310845

>>13310814
Seething

>> No.13310872

>>13310800
This

>> No.13310896

>>13310814
You seem jealous of Goonan and his book.

>> No.13310900

Hegel BTFO out of retards like this ages ago. You can't just turn back the process of consciousness

>> No.13310907

>>13310800
They'll be cherished in legends of the wizards who faught the steel beast

>> No.13310916
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>>13310900
*runs out of oil and other resources necessary for industrial society*
nothin personnel

>> No.13310924

>>13310916
If it was inevitable then why does he care in the first place?

>> No.13310929

>>13310900
Those who claim to know the path towards the absolute without already having grasped it are already in the wrong direction. Was is backwards to the faulty paradigm is forward to the truth

>> No.13310937

>>13310924
So that any of us have a hope of surviving and learning from it

>> No.13310941

>>13310900
Thesis: industrial society
Antithesis: Kaczynski
Synthesis: technological society, but without capitalism, overpopulation, and competition among countries. We can consciously oversee the production and use of technology without it hindering the power process and over-systemizing society. It’s a long way off and it’s very unlikely but it’s possible.

>> No.13310946

>>13310941
That last one is nightmarish and worse than what we have now. What we need is Neo-Reactionary feudalism. More competition and more countries and more war

>> No.13310948

>>13310941
The Synthesis is TFFE.

>> No.13310957

>>13310948
What does he propose?

>> No.13310963

>>13310941
That's Fichte. Hegel disagreed with that model

>> No.13310970

>>13310963
Thesis: Fichte's Thesis Anti-Thesis Synthesis model
Anti-thesis: Hegel disagreeing with the model
Synthesis:

>> No.13310982

>>13310957
Just read it.

>> No.13310991

>>13310957
It's very similar to what you said in your Synthesis.

>> No.13310992

>>13310916
It won't run out for the people in power.

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Holyshit. Nobody told me Goonan was this based
Downloading a copy now

>> No.13311015

>>13311010
KEK

>> No.13311077

I hate this board so much.

>> No.13311145

>>13311010
Part of the book deals with power dynamics in modern dating.

>> No.13311151

>>13311077
t. Glazoors

>> No.13311221

>>13310790
his thoughts are so interesting he needs to kill people to call attention

>> No.13311416

>>13311221
Nothing wrong with that

>> No.13311528

>>13310790
Guy on the right... has anyone spoke with him about his ideas?

>> No.13311899

bump

>> No.13312557

>>13310845
>>13310896
Looks very pathetic from the outside observer. It's painfully obvious what you are.

>> No.13312586

>>13310800
This. I like to think this was their intention all along

>> No.13313942

>>13311528
Yes. He is a nice guy who truly cares about helping people.

>> No.13313962

>>13310992
The masses is what grants them immeasurable power

>> No.13314061

>>13310900
read kaczynski for fucks sake!!!!!!

>> No.13314744

>>13310907
have sex

>> No.13314748

>>13314061
we already did

>> No.13315396

>>13310941
We cannot consciously control technological development, Kaczynski explains this. The most basic reason for this is that, if we did, some other society with better technology would fuck us.

>> No.13315415

>>13315396
But why bother with Ted at all when plenty of better writers like say Pynchon have tackled the question with more finesse and measured intellect?

>> No.13315425

>>13315415
What does Pynchon say about it?

>> No.13315445

Goonan is more profound than what the maymays suggest

>> No.13315482

>>13315425
>He doesn't know

>> No.13315492

>>13315482
I want to know pls

>> No.13315514

>>13315492
man if only there was some way to absorb the contents of some writer's canon oh well I guess you're ironically SOL until science can come up with a way...

>> No.13315525

>>13310790
I'm gonna Google your meme book since you're shilling it here so hard. Congrats.

>> No.13315530
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Every ted thread the same. People refute him without having read any of his books.
Just a reminder that he was a math prodigy, that he has an iq of 173, that he was subjected to an experiment that destroyed every political belief (thats most likely why his theories have no flaws that are easily detectable - just look at the threads, no one ever debunks an argument of him)
Oh i forgot that he spend the last 20 years in prison advancing his theory even further. The only thing how we will not be killed by technology will be a NWO-tinfoil hat conspiracy that will depopulate the planet very quickly, leaving only the most "elite" humans on the earth. Singularity or technology saving it in the end is all dealt with in his latest book.

>> No.13315543

>>13315530
>u just don't get him!

oh, sweaty... Reminder that his brains were scrambled by MKULTRA

>> No.13315554

>>13315530
>Just a reminder that he was a math prodigy, that he has an iq of 173,
not relevant to political philosophy.

just read zerzan instead

>> No.13315563

>>13315445
t. Goonan

>> No.13315582

>>13315530
>he was subjected to an experiment that destroyed every political belief
>>13315543
>his brains were scrambled by MKULTRA


What the fuck is this real? Source

>> No.13315598

>>13315582
>>13315543
It's a lie made up by a journalist to sell more books. Literally all there is to it. There used to be a quora thread that quoted said book, quoted kaczynski's reaction to its publication, and citations from the author himself admitting that he made it up. I linked to this thread many times on /lit/ but it seems to have been taken off about 6months ago.

>> No.13315601

>>13315598
shoo shoo CIA

>> No.13315604

>>13315582
I'll add another piece of info: the only experiment TK was subjected to as a university student was him filling out multiple choice quizzes then being asked about political beliefs. Far from the sensationalism that gets pushed around.

>> No.13315615

>>13315601
Huh? I'm pretty sure someone delegitimizing TK's works under the 'MK ultra' lie is more CIA than the opposite. It's ironic that you say that because I absolutely love reading about CIA stuff and I'm usually the one to make this comment hah.

>> No.13315624

>>13315615
That's just what They want you to think

>> No.13315625

>>13310790
no they won't

>> No.13315668

>>13315582
its well documented nigga use google
>>13315598
this post is glowing

>> No.13315696

yes, it is true. "He was mk ultrad" is just another layer of people not having any arguments so they have to use this spectre to discredit him.
only low iq minions fall for this.

>> No.13315710

>>13315696
only low iq morons fall for Ted...

>> No.13315733

>>13315598
>As a sophomore, Kaczynski participated in a study described by author Alston Chase as a "purposely brutalizing psychological experiment" led by Harvard psychologist Henry Murray. Subjects were told they would be debating personal philosophy with a fellow student, and were asked to write essays detailing their personal beliefs and aspirations. The essays were turned over to an anonymous attorney, who in a later session would confront and belittle the subject – making "vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive" attacks – using the content of the essays as ammunition, while electrodes monitored the subject's physiological reactions. These encounters were filmed, and subjects' expressions of anger and rage were later played back to them repeatedly.[25] The experiment lasted three years, with someone verbally abusing and humiliating Kaczynski each week.[26][27] Kaczynski spent 200 hours as part of the study.[28]

On Henry Murray:

>In 1947, he returned to Harvard as a chief researcher, lectured and established with others the Psychological Clinic Annex.

>From late 1959 to early 1962, Murray was responsible for experiments that have come widely to be considered unethical, in which he used twenty-two Harvard undergraduates as research subjects.[5] Among other goals, experiments sought to measure individuals' responses to extreme stress. The unwitting undergraduates were submitted to what Murray called "vehement, sweeping and personally abusive" attacks. Specifically-tailored assaults to their egos, cherished ideas and beliefs were used to cause high levels of stress and distress. The subjects then viewed recorded footage of their reactions to this verbal abuse repeatedly.

>In 1960, Timothy Leary started research in psychedelic drugs at Harvard, which Murray is said to have supervised.[7]

From friend:

>I first heard of the Murray experiment from Kaczynski himself... Kaczynski told me that the Henry A. Murray Research Center of the Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study, although it released some raw data about him to his attorneys, had refused to share information about the Murray team’s analysis of that data. Kaczynski hinted darkly that the Murray Center seemed to feel it had something to hide. One of his defense investigators, he said, reported that the center had told participating psychologists not to talk with his defense team.

After this intriguing start Kaczynski told me little more about the Murray experiment than what I could find in the published literature. Henry Murray’s widow, Nina, was friendly and cooperative, but could provide few answers to my questions. Several of the research assistants I interviewed couldn’t, or wouldn’t, talk much about the study. Nor could the Murray Center be entirely forthcoming. After considering my application, its research committee approved my request to view the records of this experiment, the so-called data set, which referred to subjects by code names only.

>> No.13315734

>>13315530
If Ted is so smart why couldn’t he get into a position of power and steer society? Why did he rely on the most brainlet approach of terrorism as if that ever works out. Anyone with half a brain would know that doing such a thing would only margnilize his theory and they credence away for all the people who tread away from extremisms of any kind (i.e all normal people). Also, why would he let fear of a future which to him appears inetivable cripple his character to that point? Why not take the stoic route and accept its inedibility and continue to enjoy the fruits of freedom as long as they last.
Ted is a brainlet cause he’s driving by sentiment and fear instead of reason. Marxism and the like manage to get into power theough actual discourse and propagation. Why couldnt Ted just form a political front to propogate his theory and start a movement?

>> No.13315750

>>13315733
/.Before the war Murray had been the director of the Harvard Psychological Clinic. After the war Murray returned to Harvard, where he continued to refine techniques of personality assessment. In 1948 he sent a grant application to the Rockefeller Foundation proposing “the development of a system of procedures for testing the suitability of officer candidates for the navy.” By 1950 he had resumed studies on Harvard undergraduates that he had begun, in rudimentary form, before the war, titled “Multiform Assessments of Personality Development Among Gifted College Men.” The experiment in which Kaczynski participated was the last and most elaborate in the series. In their postwar form these experiments focused on stressful dyadic relations, designing confrontations akin to those mock interrogations he had helped to orchestrate for the OSS.

>> No.13315774

>>13315734
Why don't Christians become Muslims so they can reform it from the inside out?

>> No.13315802

>>13315774
Why don’t they? Out of sentiment. Internal disruption, subversion and espionage are way more common nowadays than military confrontation in the first world. It makes more sense and its more efficient.

>> No.13315935

>>13315734
Define position of power.
The pen is mightier than the sword, he has become a martyr for his cause, this is way more effective.
He took the ultimate stoic pill by trying to become reclusive and then they rustled his jimmies too much by destroying the last bit of nature that a recluse seeking individual can have.
He thought it to the end seeing that soon the infrastructure for a good human live will be destroyed, then he took extreme measures to get a fast publication of his manifesto, continuing his work from prison.
>>13315774
because it would be sinful.
>>13315710
Give an argument on how technology will not destroy the planet.

>> No.13315948

>>13310900
>takes Hegel seriously after deleuze

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>>13315543
>>13315733
It's another episode iphone addicts try to ad hominem with more LIES

pic related

>> No.13316177

>>13316145
How do we know the letter isn't fake?

>> No.13316216

>>13316177
You can compare handwritings of uncle Ted with other letters of him that can be found online. His writing style is also worthy of his authenticity. It adds up

>> No.13316803

What languages does Ted speak? I know he speaks Spanish and maybe German.

>> No.13316861

>>13310790
Why are women mad about it?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/248275434410606593/590340685492781076/unknown.png

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>>13310800
>retard has no idea uni-bomber cabin and tons of his possessions are kept in a museum in Washington DC

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-unabombers-cabin-washington-dc

>> No.13316924

>>13315734
>thinking 1 individual can change society
>thinking 1 individual can stop what's happening
>thinking that power is defined as being elected

>> No.13316942

>>13316861
Calls out women for being sluts. Says women should be feminine and submissive. Says women shouldn't be in positions of power.

>> No.13317067

>>13316216
and how do we know his lawyer didn't modify the letter? hasn't he done that before?