/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13306861]

>goes from right wing racist to accepting fun loving goofball liberal during the latter part of his career

What did Pynch mean by this?

[Anonymous No.13306881]

>>13306861
>during the latter part of his career
during college.

[Anonymous No.13306890]

has the throwaway mention of 'protofacist' tendencies from Slow Learner turned into "he was a right wing racist"?

[Anonymous No.13306896]

True fascists are actually goofballs and very accepting, the "hate" is just banter misunderstood by autistic peoples (Krauts, Anglos). Look into Pound and HILARITAS to see

[Anonymous No.13306901]

and is this or is this not your attempt at absolving your alt right phase through identification with a historical figure/idol?

[Anonymous No.13306906]

>>13306861
He was friends with Richard Farina, dude

[Anonymous No.13306912]

>dude hippies were the real right wing racists lmao
Fuck this fucking website

[Anonymous No.13306920]

>>13306912
What were the 40s and 50s?

[Anonymous No.13306927]

>>13306912
First nudist commune was proto fascists in Switzerland, most modern animal welfare laws are modeled after nazi Germany, etc

[Anonymous No.13307148]

Also is /lit/ right or left wing?

[Anonymous No.13307164]

>>13307148
left, for now

[Anonymous No.13307168]

>>13306861
I read The Crying Lot of 1488 recently and was shocked that you guys love this horrific anti-semite so much.

[Anonymous No.13307171]

>>13307148
neither

[Anonymous No.13307173]

>>13307148
politics are of lesser importance than Christ's message

[Anonymous No.13307636]

>>13307148
Lit is nazbol

[Anonymous No.13307640]

He's making fun of liberals you retard

[Anonymous No.13307642]

>>13307173
Based

[Anonymous No.13307647]

>>13307148
There are hardly any good right wing philosophers or writers so there is a leftist bias

[Anonymous No.13307652]

pynchon is a cia plant and remains very much a fascist

[Anonymous No.13307656]

>>13306861
because it's exhausting to be a belligerent asshole. Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to hate people for no reason? Why fucking bother?

[Anonymous No.13307657]

>>13307647
Wew lad

[Anonymous No.13307663]

>>13307647
Why are you on this board if you don't read

[Anonymous No.13307669]

>>13307657
>>13307663
Name FIVE (5). Also inb4 memenon and ebola

[Anonymous No.13307688]

>>13307148
/lit/ is postmodern and wholly, fully materialist.

[Anonymous No.13307707]

>>13307669
Spengler
Schmitt
Dugin
Gentile
Heidegger

On top of that, you could make a case how Post-modernists like Baudrillard were basically fascists without knowing it.
And of course, the majority of philosophers that were writing before the 20th century would probably be considered right-wing by today's leftists. Even some of Marx's writings on e.g. "sex workers" or homosexuality would make him a conservative today.

[Anonymous No.13307711]

>>13307688
>materialist
No. /lit/ is a Berkleyan idealist board.

[Anonymous No.13307739]

>>13307669
Name three (3) philosophers from before the 19th century who would be considered left today

[Anonymous No.13307745]

>>13307707
>you could make a case how Post-modernists like Baudrillard were basically fascists without knowing it
yeah baudrillard just needed to be redpilled you fucking airhead. you bimbo

[Anonymous No.13307753]

>>13307711
why do people constantly strawman Berkley to fit their narrative?
I feel sorry for the guy at times.

[Anonymous No.13307775]

>>13307173
based

[Anonymous No.13307916]

>>13307148
used to be full blown homo left. now it's probably 60/40 as people are waking up to the jewish influence on politics

[Anonymous No.13307921]

>>13307173
true except for the misinterpreted part about egalitarianism

[Anonymous No.13307983]

>>13307669
Dostoyevsky
Gogol
Celine
Hamsun
Mishima
Junger
DH Lawrence
Lovecraft
Poe
Borges
Nabokov
Baudelaire
TS Eliot
Ezra Pound
Nietzsche
Schopenhauer
Heidegger
Tolkien
Gene Wolfe
Etc., etc., etc.

[Anonymous No.13307989]

>>13307148

4chan is largely a leftist website. It's just the brainless SJWs who think we're right wing.

[Anonymous No.13308009]

>>13307707
>yeah guys this avowed anticapitalist was actually a fascist and didn’t realize it because he saw how capitalism erodes culture!
>it’s impossible that marxists and postmodernists can have any common ground with me at all so they must have been fascists without realizing it even if real fascists would’ve killed them for degeneracy or encouraging degeneracy

[Anonymous No.13308016]

>>13307983
>Baudelaire
>left wing

[Anonymous No.13308017]

>>13307707
Spengler and Heidegger were staunch leftists

[Anonymous No.13308075]

>>13308016
Huh? I was listing writers who were right-wing. Baudelaire was a de Maistre fan.

>There is no reasonable, stable government save the aristocratic. Monarchy and republic, based on democracy, are equally weak and absurd. … There exist but three respectable beings: the priest, the warrior, the poet. To know, to kill, and to create. Other men are serfs or slaves, created for the stable, that is, to exercise what are called professions.

[Anonymous No.13308274]

>>13307148
>MMXIX
>still adhering to Euclidean politics

[Anonymous No.13308293]

>>13307636
This is unironically true

[Anonymous No.13308534]

EXPLAIN how the FUCK you think pynchon was a " right wing racist "

YES I AM MAD

[Anonymous No.13308539]

>>13308534
He's apparently a devout tradcath, not sure why people think he's racist though

[Anonymous No.13308553]

>>13308534
Read the intro to Slow Learner. He mentions that the racial slurs he used were in line with his own beliefs at the time ie Right Wing Racism

[Anonymous No.13308576]

>>13308009
Right wing means "authoritarian and exclusive", left wing means "libertine and inclusive"

[Anonymous No.13308582]

>>13308293
We want nothing to do with nazis

[Anonymous No.13308585]

>>13308582
NazBols aren't Nazis brainlet

[Anonymous No.13308610]

>>13308017
>Heidegger were staunch leftists
No.

[Anonymous No.13308849]

>>13308553
yes but it's a retroactive criticism of the culture of his time. being a white racist in the 1930s or 40s was like being a white liberal today. it was almost ubiquitous. it's not like pynchon's 'early career' was penning his own intellectual justifications for racism or right wing politics.

[Anonymous No.13309175]

>>13307669
Eliot, James, Carlyle, Johnson, Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.13309189]

>>13308582
merely by posting on this website you come unders suspicion of being a nazi, you are at least complicit in participating on a platform that hosts them

[Anonymous No.13309195]

>>13307739
Retarded argument, the right has a monopoly on writers from history because their entire shtick is to conserve. Obviously you’re going to have more in common with a 19th century intellectual if you base your politics in preserving their teachings (even if they’ve since been proven ineffective or not as good as once believed to be).

[Anonymous No.13309212]

>>13307983
There is nothing more embarrassing than people taking writers completely alien to their own culture and pretending they fit a distinct, modern political movement unique to their own existence. Dostoevsky’s politics should be seen in the light of his own existence, not transplanted onto contemporary culture.

[Anonymous No.13309221]

>>13309212
His politics are still obviously reactionary

[Anonymous No.13309272]

>>13309221
Reactionary to the climate he was in. Dostoevsky wasn’t a Kekistani.

[Anonymous No.13309295]

>>13309272
If you transplanted Dostoevsky to contemporary Russia he would be seen as a kind of far right christian extremist

[Anonymous No.13309298]

>>13306861
He grew up.
>>13307148
Firmly left wing but each day we're getting more and more /pol/ refugees who ran away because teens and boomers completely took over that board.

[Anonymous No.13309303]

>>13309298
>Firmly left wing but each day we're
you live in a time capsule from 2012

[Anonymous No.13309322]

Pynchon wasn't right wing or left wing you morons. :3

like me

[Anonymous No.13309331]

>>13309303
/lit/ is obviously and demonstrably left-wing, what planet do you live on? Most right-wing stuff you see is just stupid /pol/ threads designed to bait, there’s no serious right-wing discussion because there are so few right-wingers here.

[Anonymous No.13309353]

>>13307148
vaguely left wing but obviously fuck commies

[Anonymous No.13309354]

>>13309331
Cope

[Anonymous No.13309377]

>>13309331
I can only assume you don't spend much time here. In any thread where right and left butt heads it is pretty evenly split, and there are undoubtedly more threads about various reactionary philosophers than there are about leftists.

The Left on the board is also extremely unclear about whether it wants to be primarily progressive or Marxist which causes infighting that is taken advantage of by rightists.

[Anonymous No.13309397]

>>13309377
I’ve browsed here for a good 4 years, and my argument is that any political discussion of depth (not just muh joos, muh niggers) is almost always focused on leftist ideas.
You’ve just admitted yourself that there is far more discussion between differing tribes of leftists than there is between right-wingers. I’m also not sure what you mean by implying that left-wing politics can’t be reactionary.
>>13309354
COPE

[Anonymous No.13309405]

>>13307148
Left obviously. Ignore the right wing trolls

[Anonymous No.13309442]

>>13309397
I've browsed here since 2012 and the board has been 50-50 since around 2014-2015. Maybe you just don't enter threads where right wing discussion happens.

Also there's a reason that the progressives on this board won't touch the race question with a 10 foot pole whereas on twitter or wherever they salivate over it. It's because they have to actually argue against unfiltered racism here and they dont know what to say. The 'discussion' that happens between progressives and Marxists here is just the former calling the latter racist, sexist white dudes.

[Anonymous No.13309479]

>>13309397
You're just letting the fact that there's a lot of rw trolls blind you to the fact that there's a lot of actual right wingers of various types on here.

[Anonymous No.13310489]

>>13309212
The only thing more embarrassing is liberals' attempts to dismiss controversial opinions of past conservatives as "stemming from the accepted prejudices of their time." Bitch, stop rewriting history. Lovecraft had contempt for black people. Dostoevsky loathed anarchists. Pound wasn't keen on Jews. Don't try to reform great men's thinking to today's ideological norms. A bitter truth: Today there are men with genius as fierce as Lovecraft's, Dostoevsky's, and Pound's languishing in florescent lit rooms across the West, unheard, unpublished ... just as there were Roxane Gays unpublished in 1919.

[Anonymous No.13310496]

>>13307636
>>13308293
fags

[Anonymous No.13310498]

>>13307148
Whichever wing consesus the thread I’m visiting, I’m the opposite

[Anonymous No.13310522]

>>13306861
He got what he deserved = his son is a ‘woman’ now lmao

[Anonymous No.13310571]

>>13306861
He looks like Luis Suarez.

[Anonymous No.13310582]

>>13310498
I'm the opposite of you: meaning I am always the opposite of whatever you think the opposite of the wing consensus is.

Not exactly the double negative you think it is: after all I'm not the opposite per se, but it's based on your interpretation.

I'll be following you :3

[Anonymous No.13310596]

>>13310522
No one outside of /pol/ has a problem with trans people

[Anonymous No.13310624]

>>13306912
literally true doe

[Anonymous No.13310640]

>>13307148
We’re a Catholic board.

[Anonymous No.13312079]

>>13306861
>right wing racist
This is your brain on myopic left wing propaganda.

[Anonymous No.13312093]

>>13307148
neoreactionary or r/accelerationism

[Anonymous No.13312168]

>>13307148
/lit/ proper is third position, but there are a fuck ton of reddit commies, /leftypol/fags, trannies and other tourists that come here to shit up threads. You included.

[Anonymous No.13312190]

>>13310489

Shhh your sanity isn't required in what's clearly another /pol/-oriented thread

Also for my fellow oldfags: remember when the "racism" on here (specifically /b/ - in b4 /b/ was never good) was actually a joke and not taken seriously?

[Anonymous No.13312194]

>>13312190
>

[Anonymous No.13312199]

>>13312194

[Anonymous No.13312205]

>>13312190
>>13312199
>reddit spacing
>le /pol/
>it was ironic racism thats what the chapo subreddit told me
>take your pills xD
Just go back.

[Anonymous No.13312266]

>>13312205

I'm not going anywhere schizo. What are the other voices in your head telling you?

Oh look I just double spaced

Oh look I just double spaced again

[Anonymous No.13312323]

>>13312190
It was racist, but not the refined and resigned racism of the South, just goofy ass watermelon fried chicken jokes.

/pol/tards, being mostly suburban losers and their drunk moms, have the racist ability of a child.

[Anonymous No.13312424]

>>13312266
>schizo
It just gets more reddit.

[Anonymous No.13312459]

>>13308539
sourse on this ?