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Is the mind a byproduct of reality or vice versa?

>> No.13293825

>>13293814
it is a byproduct of myself.

>> No.13293881

>>13293814
~both~

>> No.13293937

>>13293814
There is no hierarchy between the res extensa and the res cogitans

>> No.13293961
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13293961

in b4 butter fly poster and or raesqueveda post etc roll trips on this post and all mods niggers trannies and namefags btfo life itself thank you thank you

>> No.13293976

>>13293881

if reality creates mind = true
then mind creates reality = false

if mind creates reality = true
then reality creates mind = false

>> No.13293984

>>13293976
Esse ist percipi, mi compadre

>> No.13294009

>>13293984
If the mind couldn’t perceive realty, then reality wouldn’t exist.

>> No.13294055

>>13294009
But if the reality creates the mind, then how was it capable of doing so if it needs to be perceived to exist?

>> No.13294084

>>13294055
And if mind creates reality, then what created the mind?

>> No.13294093

>>13294084
God

>> No.13294104

>>13294093
If God created mind, then who created God? Would God exist if no one was there to perceive God? We would also have to define God.

>> No.13294158

>>13293814
god i wish that were me

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>>13293814
Carbon based life forms just grow on warm moist rocks in the universe, yes.

>> No.13294287

>>13294009
Of course it would you fucking dweeb.

>> No.13294308

>>13294287
Kill yourself and tell me if reality still exists (it doesn’t)

>> No.13294369

>>13294055
>>13294084
They’ve always co-existed

>> No.13294497

>>13294369
Can you explain why?

>> No.13294597

>>13294308
Your conception of “reality” is not the actual definition of the word.
Reality isn’t just your experiences.

>>13294084
>>13294497
The mental is also physical. Soak that up.

>> No.13294655

>>13294597
Reality is the external environment of an individual, correct?

>> No.13294679

>>13294655
Naw, you’re included in it.
It’s just another name for the universe

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XTwf7D785vI

>> No.13294698

>>13293814
>tfw Agatha will never, ever be my gf

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13294714

>>13294698
Lots of girls won’t. Get over it.

>> No.13294728

>>13294714
Maybe he will. But you and I both know my inability to has altered your life forever, Butterfly :3


Good night ;3

>> No.13294735

>>13294679
Why would you assume that the individual is part of the universe and not vice versa? If you take away the mind, nothing would exist to that individual nor ever existed. The subjective experience is all that matters.

>> No.13294749

>>13294735
>Why would you assume that the individual is part of the universe and not vice versa?
Because assuming the other is saying that your personal thoughts or ideas have an impact on things around you, which is verifiably false.

Also even if it were true, it would be true in a spiritual sense, and not a physical. As in, you impact things spiritually or through a non-materialistic plane of interaction, not through a physical plane. And the two are extremely distinct, as every serious philosopher has understood it to be.
>If you take away the mind, nothing would exist to that individual nor ever existed.
That individual doesn't matter in this case.
>The subjective experience is all that matters.
Nothing in the universe that is good is subjective.

It's why Nietzsche is a poor man's Plato or Kierkegaard. The objective definitions of reality, once fully understood, define the higher realms of the spirit and afterlife. 3

>> No.13294762

>>13294735
Because the individual is made up of the particles of the universe.

If you take away the blade of grass, the universe goes on, and it’s particles go into something else.

The subjective experience matters to the subject, by definition.

>> No.13294794

>>13293976
Fluctuating electric field generates fluctuating magnetic field
Fluctuating magnetic field generates fluctuating electric field

I sometimes imagine the existence as something like a circular argument, autoreference frame that ones started perpetuate itself. The problem is the original spark.

>> No.13294808

>>13293814
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, it makes no sound. Mind and reality must both exist for either to exist.

>> No.13294823

>>13294749
>Because assuming the other is saying that your personal thoughts or ideas have an impact on things around you, which is verifiably false.
If the universe is part of the individual, that does not necessarily entail thoughts and ideas having an impact on said universe. It implies that the individual creates the universe by perceiving it as such. If the individual could not perceive the universe, then the universe would no longer exist to the individual and subsequently at all.
I’m really not sure which one creates which; I’m just arguing this point to understand it a little better. I’m also on my phone so it’s takes me a bit of time to reply.

>> No.13294867

>>13294762
You could also say that the universe is made from the mind. Thus, the particles would in a sense be a part of the mind as well.
If the blade of grass was sentient, then the universe would not go on. To that blade of grass the universe just ended. The universe will go on for other sentient creatures, sure, but when they die it’s over. I’m arguing in the sense that the individual is all that matters, so that’s where some confusion may come from. I don’t think that point has been clearly refuted yet.

>> No.13294887

>>13294867
>You could also say that the universe is made from the mind
No, only certain conceptions of it come from the mind.
>the individual is all that matter
To that individual, obviously.

>> No.13294916

>>13294887
>No, only certain conceptions of it come from the mind.
I don’t feel as if there’s been a enough evidence to assume either-or.
>To that individual, obviously.
Yes, to the individual. The only mind you can truly know and experience.

>> No.13296004

>>13294794
Eternity of the World

>> No.13296022

Die welt ist mein vorstellung.

>> No.13296158

>>13294823
>If the individual could not perceive the universe, then the universe would no longer exist to the individual and subsequently at all
See my subsequent reply to the other statement. At that point, the individual would cease to ‘matter’ to the universe if he is not perceiving it.

Some may argue that not perceiving the universe in some ways is perceiving it more in others (for instance the absence of judgement creates a larger quantum impact for particles).

If your response is ‘why should the universe matter’, it’s because the universe exists NOT as a collection of perceptions. The universe exists as a collection of spirits and God. The general direction of mankind will proceed whether or not you are there to witness it.

As the old saying goes, YES a tree DOES INDEED fall in the forest if no one is there to hear.

>> No.13296161

>>13294916
>Yes, to the individual. The only mind you can truly know and experience
Obviously not that individual. Because if he isn’t perceiving things that others are then he doesn’t matter.

She’s right buddy, this is a really stupid point you are arguing. Solipsism is fucking retarded for people in mental hospitals and such, not for people in universities. :3