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>In honor of Pride month, be open and tell us all about your favorite LGBTQ characters.
>As always, tell us about what you're currently reading.

Monthly Reading for June: Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP


Science Fiction:

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:


>> No.13291297

Cnaur urs Skiotha is the best lgbtq+BRAAP character in fiction.

>> No.13291299

hack fagsander a

>> No.13291327
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>> No.13291337

The absolute state of GRRM is that, looked at objectively, the series actually came to the only conclusion that his stupid nihilistic series actually could without being nakedly trite bullshit--and it was STILL trite bullshit, just not naked.

Think about it. How does this retard actually end the book, what can he possibly do that doesn't either:
-Point to bloodline aristocracy being moral
-Point to a certain class of people being qualified to rule
-Point to status-quo ideas of sex and rulership being correct

He can't. He can't do a big final battle between good and evil because he is on record as saying that good and evil don't exist. He can't have a chosen savior swoop in and save everything because he is a dispicable atheist dogfucker and what would Jesus's tax policy be? He can't give any of the characters happy endings because literally every single one of them solves their problems through violence and he is supposedly a pacifist.

The only option is to just not finish the story, or to finish it in the way the show finished it. With some crippled wizard on the throne. I called this years ago. Martin cannot finish the story, because he is IDEOLOGICALLY unequipped to do so. As a weak, stupid, cowardly lazy left-wing sack of cum-eating degenerate faggot enabling shit, he has boxed himself in to a set of no-win options. By trying to subvert fantasy tropes he accidentally subverted basic story structure.

It isn't about plotlines or character bloat or any of that shit, even that hack Brandon Sanderson can overcome that. It's that the only way to end a story satisfyingly is to end it Right Wing as fuck, because the Right is the only side of political and philosophic thought that believes in happy endings.

>> No.13291341

This thread in /a/.


>> No.13291374

It's worse though. Bran isn't Bran anymore, he said as much. He's the Three Eyed Raven, consumed by information about the past and present. Bran is the fantasy equivalent of an AI.

>> No.13291386

Pratchett's editor once told me that name comes from Lancaster-Morecambe. Lancaster being posh part and Morecambe being a shithole and near to the Heysham nuclear power station he worked at.

>> No.13291611

The absolute state of GRRM is he has introduced too much in the 4th and 5th books so he's going to have to rush a lot of shit.

>> No.13291634

>-Point to bloodline aristocracy being moral
>-Point to a certain class of people being qualified to rule
>-Point to status-quo ideas of sex and rulership being correct
Is there a problem with these beyond your disagreeing with them?

>> No.13291642

No but most of his readers are leftwing liberals extremely opposed to these kind of ideas.

>> No.13291646

The pasta says that GRRM can't end the story without it being right-wing. Each of those proposed endings are right-wing.

>> No.13291656

And Lancre is based on rural Lancashire.

>> No.13291665

What are some fantasy books with well-written protagonists?

>> No.13291715
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Senlin Ascends

>> No.13291746

Conphas btfo

>> No.13291754

Hello, /sffg/. I have decided to get back into fantasy after a break of quite some years.

Can you please recommend medieval fantasy fiction that has well realised worlds and fantasy races? It doesn't have to be something full of bombast and heroism, a simple tale with great worldbuilding would be great as well.

I liked Lord of the Rings, Malazan, ASoIaF (the world building and history bits), Witcher

I didn't like Thomas Covenant (the constant angst was tiring), Joe Abercombie (too much gore, too little worldbuilding)

How is Edgeworld Chronicles, worth a look?

>> No.13291854

i read this a while back and loved it at first, but ended up hating the turns it took in the second half. too many convenient coincidences, old characters appearing again out of nowhere, and the mc developing and improving too quickly. also the big fight at the end was stupid

how is the second part?

>> No.13291930

GRRM is a hack. The more ASOIAF goes on the more and more it resembles the cliche monomyth that he was lauded over for supposedly espousing to being with (not that he was the first writer to do so, or that he did so in any impressive way, he just won the popularity lottery).

You're absolutely right in that he isn't ideologically equipped to give a satisfying ending that makes sense for the story, but that's only half of the problem. He hasn't consistently been eschewing the archetypal fantasy story/characters/arcs for years now, and he has slowly slipped into the realm of epic fantasy with very clearly defined good and evil, telegraphed character moments and plot points, and even delving into plainly lazy mary-sue tier writing;


Spare me, this is fanfiction level of quality.

>> No.13291948

I liked both of the sequels. The books retain the charm.
The old characters returning is kinda a part of the series in a way, as some of them become recurring characters or we are shown what happens to them later on (usually they are worse off because of the tower, as is everyone in contact with the tower).
Also, the MC's development won't be a steady upward graph, there's going to be descents.

>> No.13292002

IIRC the early ones are all fairly similar. He tried some longform stories much later that I didn't like as much.

>> No.13292114

What's your favorite Robert E. Howard story?

>> No.13292206

My top 3 so far are Tower of the Elephant, People of the Black Circle, and Hour of the Dragon.

>> No.13292251


>have everyone die to the walkers
>have them defeat the walkers only for every single character die to the game of thrones, reinforcing that there is no winning

those are two options

>> No.13292296

My favorite LGBT characters are the two main protagonist of the Coldfire Trilogy

>> No.13292416


I really like jack vance. who/what should i read next (other than vance).

>> No.13292425

The Fifth Head of Cerberus

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>basically real life medieval / olde times setting with a bunch of made-up names and no / low magic is boring and heck
Does anyone else agree with the aforementioned statement?
I love fantasy (and sf to an extend) to be utterly unapologetic and raw. Let magic be magic, don't try to rationalize everything, let men fight, don't try to shove cunning into barbarous times although the story of a ruthless intelligent leader can be interesting. I just find it very boring when the real world gets transported into a fantasy realm, with real world politics and issues, just with other names.
Oh, and fighting between human nations with human politics and scheeming is boring, and I WILL fight you for that. No, I don't say have mindless hordes of minions (insert legions of orcs or undead or other nameless creatures) shoved against the protagonist. But even a shallow, more poorly developed foreign / alien creature is infinitely more interesting than human on human action. No blue-coloured humans and call them aliens, obviously. Not to say that dynamics between humans and [race] is better and more compelling to read about, and even, God forbid, romances.

>> No.13292566

Based. I fucking loved Cnauir throughout the first 3 books. I only read the 2 other books afterwards and don't know what happens next, but yes. Gay fierce hateful killer of men barbarian. Yeah, give me more.

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Fuck off, /pol/. Not only not every writer consciously strives to insert relevant political points in his work, it is in fact possible to hold viewpoints different from yours while maintaining sufficient coherence of thought to finish stories based on these viewpoints. I or you may consider, with solid reasoning or not, that, say, R. Scott Bakker, or Abercrombie, for whom "nihilistic" is actuallly not a fucking buzzord, are wrong about human nature, politics, the world, and everything, but that does not prevent them from completing their stories.

And if you want an unflattering explanation for why Martin's writing went downhill and dried up after ASoS that actually matches the facts see pic related.

>> No.13292645

>plane is a dragon autism boi is back
here we go again

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>plane is power armor but not really
Close enough, but no cigar, my friend d.

Anyway, my biggest gripe comes with handling antagonists. It's no secret that modern fantasy either hates good antagonists, hates strong moral compasses, love moral ambiguity to the point of moot, or is afraid of portraying a morally unjust character for whatever reasons. As a clear result to that, we have a bunch of fantasy books with no bad guy, no real antagonist except maybe the lovable antihero who is the opposite to our protagonist. And if there is a bad guy, he is not important, he is handled poorly and has a boring demise. But more often than not there is NO bad guy, just guys who don't agree with whatever government is there.
This goes back to human v human being boring.

The best fantasy creatures are those who, by their very nature, are incompatible to humanity and thus violence emerge. Creatures so alien in psyche that humans NECESSARILY see them as evil, else they can't comprehend them. And vice versa, but a story must be told from a human perspective else we go too deep into info-dumps. Having to explain every facet of [creature] culture just to tell a story is equally as boring as having mindless hordes -with- no culture to begin with.

>> No.13292811


Read that already. Any other suggestions?

>> No.13292837

This was a good post, no need to turn it into a pasta. I feel bad for the guy who wrote it now.

>> No.13292854


>anyone I disagree with is /pol/

Ultimate brainlet

>> No.13292903

Source for the pic?

>> No.13292922

The elephant story, the one where he runs away from an invincible robot (?), the very first one, and the one where he goes into a desert town of degenerate lotus eaters.

>> No.13293001

Not of this board, but looking for recommendations.
What books should I read to learn about general fantasy creatures (as in typical goblins, elves, gnomes...) and medieval European culture?
I also want to buy a bestiary but I don't know which.

Thanks in advance.

>> No.13293077

4chan, don't know from where is the original scan.

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>> No.13293171

>What books should I read to learn about general fantasy creatures (as in typical goblins, elves, gnomes...) and medieval European culture?

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What is an enjoyable story you've read involving climbing a Tower?

>> No.13293192

how is Mask of Shadows?

truly the ideal progressive man

>> No.13293277

i read the first deluxe edition which is the first 3 volumes. waiting for the second
tower of babylon was ok by ted chiang

>> No.13293344

Tower of the Elephant

>> No.13293401

Just finished snowcrash, dont know what to think it about it yet and I am kind of tired to start long trains of thought. Is this the guy best work or I should check something else from him?

>> No.13293491

I bought too many books. Now I gotta read them all.

>> No.13293513

Go the other direction and read Clark Ashton Smith, especially Zothique.

>> No.13293543

Reamde is essentially a thriller without much sci-fi. Long, ut I found it thoroughly enjoyable.

I'm currently reading his new novel which deals with both fake information spreading over the internet, and cryogenics, it's good so far.

As far as I know, Cryptonomicon is regarding as his best novel.

>> No.13293598

Burn them instead

>> No.13293677

Black company sucks and croaker is a cuck.

>> No.13293687

I've never read it but does he actually get cuckolded?

>> No.13293770

Shill me on the Culture books by Banks. I'm about 150 pages into Consider Phlebas right now and enjoying it. Couldn't care too much about the characters and I haven't been introduced to any cool ideas yet but the prose is pretty good and carrying things. Folks seem split on it though. Start with Player of Games, they say.

>> No.13293775

Definitely read Anathem, especially if you're into Western philosophy.

>> No.13293787

Literally communist propaganda

>> No.13293793

I find epic fantasy pretty boring. The reason why JRRT's shit worked was because everything in the books was heavily based on actual real world mythology, folklore, politics, and religion. Every culture, race, and even to an extent plot points was based on history. I honestly feel like he tapped into some racial memory and that's why his races and cultures have stuck with us so much. Modern epic fantasy just makes shit up and doesn't base it on anything actually concrete so it all feels like total bullshit that I really don't care about.

Stories that focuses mainly on different cultures humans with different ideas of how the world should be and fighting a battle of wills involving political maneuvering and actual fighting is what really gets me going. Asoiaf is pretty close but falls into "good" and "evil" way too easily.

I think the main difference between us is that I find ideas more interesting while you prefer novelty in setting.

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>> No.13293917

Anyone here a fan of elric of Melnibone

>> No.13293971

Possibly the most horrifying vision of a dystopia I've ever read; it's like a modern mix of Brave New World and Cocaine Nights with far flung sci-fi setting, truly terrifying stuff.

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>> No.13294257

No. morecock a hack

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I haven't touched genre fiction in over a decade, but I've come back to sci-fi with a more mature and discerning taste and loving it.

I'm looking for hard, metaphysical/philosophical sci-fi just like Orion's Arm and John C. Wright's Eschaton series. Please no Xelee or Culture, I'm sick to deal with them. Nothing as crazy as what Wright was doing at the end of CoI (though that would very welcome), I just want something fucking evocative, inspired, adult.

What do you guys recommend?

>> No.13294326

The Culture books are pretty good, the biggest problem and complaint about them is that Banks often identifies with his creation a little more than the reader does.

>> No.13294331

you need to make the girl in the lower right redheaded.

>> No.13294340

anything greg egan
read his short story collection axiomatic

>> No.13294341

If you liked Eschaton, read more Wright. The Golden Age is an absolute must, it's exactly what you're looking for. Also Awake in the Night Land. Skip Orphans of Chaos and Mists of Everness. Use your judgement on his other stuff.

Blindsight by Peter Watts.

Dune although it's a little dated


>> No.13294344

>hard, metaphysical
That's a contradiction. But read Roadside Picnic, Definitely Maybe, and other stuff by the Strugatskys.

>> No.13294355


All right I definitely will thanks fellas

>> No.13294535

Thanks for the pic. I will use it when I see you shitting on Sanderson or Abercrombie.

>> No.13294625

>Sanderson or Abercrombie.
i guess there really is no accounting for taste

>> No.13294637

any fantasy with sexy slave girls?

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>tfw I want to start writing again but job hunting is taking up almost every spare moment of my time

why is this so complicated

the Three Body Problem series has some high points. The second and third book revolve around an imaginative explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

The Ender's Game series is also an example if you haven't read it. The latter books deal with the question of how we define intelligent life

>> No.13294681

Read any isekai.

>> No.13294712

Given almost 90% of it sucks? No.

>> No.13294722

>Ask for shitty writing
>Read this
>No, the writing sucks
What did he mean by this.

>> No.13294732

Like old school Schlock fantasy that relished in the machismo and the sex appeal while still being rip roaring adventure.

>> No.13294734

You just described all Isekais.

>> No.13294757

Yeah. except Isekai sucks.

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>> No.13294783

That series is basically 50 Shades of grey for dudes.

>> No.13294789

Wild wastes

>> No.13294791

You are impossible.

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>medieval fantasy fiction
Latro in the Mist and The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe
The King of Elfland's Daughter
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
The Once and Future King
Daughter of the Empire
The Worm Ouroboros
Elric of Melniboné

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>> No.13295008

More like Eric of Melbourne amirite

>> No.13295027

Volkhavaar by Tanith Lee
Edgar Rice Burroughs usually does this

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There we go.

>> No.13295134

Can I become a renewed author if my mother language isnt english?

>> No.13295206

I’m really new to science fiction. So far the two things I’ve read in that zone that I like are the Fifth Head of Cerberus and Ratner’s Star. Any recs for those?

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Write in your mother language?
Just a thought. I have been told that I have extremely good English, better grammar than even native speakers, but there's a certain tone, a certain cadence to the structure of sentences that distinguish me clearly as a non-native English speaker.
No, I don't think you can become a renowned English author in 2019 as a non-native English speaker. You can become well known in your own sphere and have your books translated, made into games, movies, etc.

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Why aren't you reading the best book of 2019 right now?

>> No.13295645

very good

>> No.13295849

Slower than light kinos like revelation space and house of suns?

>> No.13296157

Think I'm gonna just gonna read obscure indie books that barely have any reviews for a while. That seems more enjoyable than reading yet another edgy LOTR ripoff.

>> No.13296364

>i will shit on your trash but don't shit on mine (morecock)
>my shit (morecocks) doesn't smell, unlike sanderfag and abersnailbie

>> No.13296374

>doesn't realize that princess of mars and the others are all Isekai

>> No.13296403


Pick one and only one.

>> No.13296406

You were told that self published is the future.

>> No.13296478

I've been doing that for a while. I would recommend The Crimson Queen by Alec Hutson if you want something a bit Conanesque, The Barrow by Mark Smylie if you want something a bit Indiana Jonsey (it is a bit too edgy in the beginning, but it grows out of it by the halfway mark), and Into the Labrynth by John Bierce if you want some cliche but enjoyable coming of age power fantasy.

>> No.13296625

To be honest, I don't think you can even become a renowned author either way, unless you're shilled by the powers that be and have a GRRM quote on your cover. If you don't have that, at best you're becoming rather obscure but known in certain circles, like Bakker. Nobody here ever heard of Bakker but in certain places he is known.

>> No.13296651

Hitting it big is, was, and always will be a completely crapshoot regardless of when or where. It's not a new thing, you just have to catch lightning in a bottle. The quality of your work doesn't even matter, you just have to get that perfect storm of a desperate target demographic and a lot of word of mouth, just look at Fifty Shades of Grey.

If you want to write, write, and maybe in 30 years your work will be a cult classic.

>> No.13296896

I always loved The Goblin Companion

>> No.13296902

haha sucker...

>> No.13297226


Homos are gay

>> No.13297254

I just took a huge dump and it felt good.
Books with that feel (finally getting rid of something that made you uncomfortable).

>> No.13297344

Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

>> No.13297481

sentient ai, aliens, mythic creatures and clones are as human as the rest of us

humans who treat them or other humans as subhumans have lost their human privileges

prove me wrong

>> No.13297544

I can't, because you're right

>> No.13297614

You make me sick xeno lover

>> No.13297777
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Books with this aesthetic?

>> No.13297788

First you'll need to use words that describe what that aesthetic is.

>> No.13297797

Mid 2000 emo
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKJiM9Njr8

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>it's a Gene Wolfe writes the protagonist as a man on a religious path of enlightenment episode

>> No.13297823

Prince of Thorns. It's shit.

>> No.13297825

what do you guys think of the Garrett Files series by Glen Cook?

>> No.13297929

Gosh, right-wingers sure will use every venue imaginable—even semi-competently written quasi-medieval fantasy—to pity themselves in public.

>> No.13298077

Hey faggots
I need some recommendations along the lines of A Fire Upon The Deep

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What do you guys think of Viriconium?


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>Garrett Files series by Glen Cook
Enjoyable stories if you're a fan of fantasy and noir mysteries. Like Dresden Files the first book in the series is just okay, the writing improves in books 2 and 3.

>> No.13298331

His novels tend to shit themselves once he gets to into his obsession of the week.
Necronomicon was really great though. Very well written and comes together amazingly in the end. I remeber being very satisfied with it when i was done..
Seveneves was okay. Really didn't like the diamond age, it started out ok but really went off the rails hard.

>> No.13298336

Sorry, i obviously mean Cryptonomicon

>> No.13298509

Holy shit, The Dispossessed was incredible. I thought Lathe of Heaven was just a conventional classic PKD rip-off but my god, I’m speechless.

It’s been too long since I read something actually GOOD goddam.

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>> No.13298710

Senlin Ascends

>> No.13298750

What's a good fantasy with epic scope and adventure through unknown lands?

>> No.13298819

The Golden Age

>> No.13298826

Decent but was relegated to obscurity by BotNS coming out at about the same time and completely blowing it out of the water.

>> No.13298840

sounds good, thanks.

>> No.13299057

I just finished Assassin's Quest. Mostly I liked it, though it was the weakest in the trilogy, but I have some final thoughts and nowhere else to put them:

1. Regal isn't a great character, but it's been a long time since I've disliked a villain in a story so strongly. He walks an effective line where he manages to be completely hateable without quite extending to cartoonish supervillainy; I think it's the self-driven pettiness that sells him to me. One of my complaints is that, while he gets his comeuppance, the book covers it way too briefly to be satisfying.
2. The end of the book feels too brief in general, especially for a book that's already hideously long. It was especially lame that they just lay out a one-page explanation for why the raiders have been attacking after teasing it for three books. It would have been more satisfying to leave it as a mystery than to just plop it out like that.
3. I still don't really know whether the Fool was actually a woman or, if not, why that was brought up in the first place. He or she is my favorite character either way.
4. Nighteyes is my second favorite character because he's the only one who ever seems happy for any decent length of time.
5. I probably would have felt worse about Fitz not ending up with Molly if I had actually given a shit about Molly. She was probably the weakest thing in the whole trilogy; I find it hard to care about their relationship when their time together is just a coin-toss between "stupid arguments" and "arbitrarily in love", and they only spend like 1% of the story actually together. I spent most most of the latter half of the book hoping Fitz would wind up with the Fool instead.

Really, what's with these coming-of-age fantasy stories giving the hero a love interest and then keeping them apart for almost the entire story? It's not just the Farseer trilogy's obsession with shitting on Fitz, I've read like three stories in a row that did that. I feel like something that's a driving motivation should be given a bit more time and attention, maybe integrated into the actual character arc. Is there some principle of storytelling I'm missing? Are there any of these books where the love interest actually sticks around for most of the plot?

>> No.13299084

>I read a book and here is my blog about it, remember to follow like and subscribe

>> No.13299092

What the hell are we supposed to talk about then?

>> No.13299120

Please do not discourage those willing to contribute content actually related to the topic

>> No.13299122

I'd rather read blogs/reviews from anons about the books they've read than the endless stream of faggots coming in here asking about Sanderson and Malazan.

>> No.13299148

Baited for exactly that response

>> No.13299162

Got 'em.

>> No.13299254

You put your reviews on goodreads and come here for recommendations.

>> No.13299346

Make me, queer.

>> No.13299349

I need a good collection of fantasy short stories to imitate for writing practice pls

>> No.13299502

Library of heavens path

>> No.13299515

Writing an actual relationship is hard, making a connection and then setting up a barrier for them to whine about is easy. That’s why few authors write relationships.

>> No.13299533

>And as the boundless destructive energy in this pillar of light was unleashed, all the trees in a radius of ten-some li were instantly rendered into ash…

How can trees even still exist

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It kinds of decline in quality at the end, which felt sudden and rushed to me, and it's frustrating that the baited sequel will never happen, but this is still one of the best fantasy books I've read lately.

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>> No.13300352

>Writing an actual relationship is hard
It really isn't. It's just that so many retards these days think writing a relationship is the equivalent of writing The Odyssey.

>> No.13300359

>It kinds of decline in quality at the end, which felt sudden and rushed to me
How so? And which version did you read?

>> No.13300371

Give me two examples of a good relationship in any fantasy where they arent separated more than they stay together.

>> No.13300372

Most fantasy writers are boomers,most boomers don't know how relationships work

>> No.13300409

Codex Alera comes to mind. I know it gets mentioned a lot but after the second book they're basically together 24/7. Its also a great love story where there is no drama or betrayals. The other book that kinda comes to mind is old mans war. Specifically the third book. Then again only the first and the third are the ones you should be reading. Don't touch the others.
Waldo Rabbit also comes to mind. Its more focused on the story rather than waldos relationship with alice but it comes up often enough to make it relevant in my opinion. Especially since their relationship starts of one-sided until waldo realizes he actually cares for alice. they meet like in the third or so chapter on of the first book and are basically always together.

>> No.13300433

I wasn't talking about them being separated or together; I meant the relationship ITSELF. A lot of writers think it has to be this ridiculously complex and emotional ordeal before characters officially agree to be in a relationship together.

>> No.13300447

Guy Gavriel Kay has been able to avoid those trapping with some exceptions.

>> No.13300459

He only gets cucked by depression

>> No.13300465

What’s the best cybergerpunk?

>> No.13300476

real life

>> No.13300508

Worms of the Earth, hands down. Creepy as fuck.

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>> No.13300558

>Credit systems build trust between all citizens, Wen Quan says.
>"Without a system, a conman can commit a crime in one place and then do the same thing again in another place. But a credit system puts people's past history on the record.
>"It'll build a better and fairer society," she promises.

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>> No.13300724

Stop reading smut.

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>> No.13300734
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good news /sffg/! Since this job search has been taking up too much of my time that I could be spending on my writing, I've come up with a solution that solves both problems at once. From here on out, I'm going to actively seek jobs in the publishing industry and exclude all others.

Hopefully I can land something in Scholastic, so I can get my foot in the door. If I'm lucky, I could end up with my book in scholastic book fairs across the country

fun food fact: the meth in Breaking Bad was actually made from blue raspberry flavored candy (also known as blue or cotton candy flavored). Aaron Paul, who played Jessie Pinkman on the show was rather enthusiastic about it and quickly began using and dealing it both on and off set

The Paper Menagerie was one I rather liked

>> No.13300763

>tfw I live in Albuquerque
>breaking bad simultaneously helped and ruined ABQ

>> No.13300769

your city should change its tourism slogan to "It's the right turn after all"

>> No.13300879

Black Canaan

>> No.13300900

That's not bad, anon

>> No.13300910

A Witch Shall be Born or People of the Black Circle.

>the one where he goes into a desert town of degenerate lotus eaters.
I love how the woman Conan is with in that story is naked for almost its entirety. You can tell he wrote it that way just to get on the cover of whatever pulp magazines would publish it.

>> No.13300940

Has any new cyberpunk actually been written that's reflective of what's actually going on in the real world? Shit like what China is doing along with the EU and online companies like Twitter and Google working in tandem with banks and shit to de-personize people and take away their livelihoods?

>> No.13300946

>Has any new cyberpunk actually been written that's reflective of what's actually going on in the real world?
Of course not. It would be shut down faster than rumors about a bank mishandling customers money.

>> No.13300974

William Gibson of all people tried, with the Blue Ant trilogy. It was all right but only a shade above a generic thriller.

>> No.13301031

>Writing an actual relationship is hard

No, it absolutely isn't. Here how it goes realistically:

"I like you, let's fuck before this insanely dangerous quest we're on kills us all."
"You're physically attractive, so why not?"
"Wow, we somehow survived, and rewards from our quest make you a king or some shit, lets marry!"

The problem lies in the fact that modern literature is heavily conditioned to treat romatic relationship as something super-special and the holiest thing there is, which cannot possibly be reduced to base desires, and a writer will get endless amounts of shit for portraying a romance in any way which can be interpreted negatively.

>> No.13301048

You are both right and wrong. Sure there are relationships based on pure physical desire or convenience. But blanketing them like that is really a disservice and shallow. I personally think the problem with relationships isn't the physical aspect or the idea that it has to be "true love", its the fact that many of them boil down to having a relationship for the sake of having one. Its actually very hard to write a relationship that progresses naturally without seeming forced, abrupt or purely physical.

>> No.13301217

>Waldo Rabbit

>> No.13301264

What? How is it a webnovel?

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>In honor of Pride month, be open and tell us all about your favorite LGBTQ characters.
>As always, tell us about what you're currently reading.
I am currently reading the non-SF, and very non-PC, This Storm by James Ellroy.
I recently learnt about this book so I will try to track it down
I've seen the illustration before but never knew what it was for
Apparently it has lesbian cyberpunks, so there we go for this threads theme

>> No.13301370

How does it feel to have gotten tricked into reading it hahahaha loser

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>> No.13301935

It's published and has audiobooks.

>> No.13301952

Not an Americlap, but that city was a punch line for many a jokes in bugs bunny cartoons when I was a kid.

>> No.13301999

Scene like this show that Chinese care nothing for the environment, other than a resource to strip mine. It's why they are importing lumber from other countries. They strip so much of their flora that they get smog. It's built into the Chinese to destroy and strip everything, and it comes out uncensored in their fantasy. They can and will kill and poison as many ecosystems as possible.
The Chinese (Asians) are the locusts of the human species. While Caucasians are the red army ants who roam about looking to attack people for no reason.

>> No.13302023

I can tell from your post that you don't read at all. You just come here to meme and try to trick people into reading what you hear others say, are bad books.

>> No.13302026 [DELETED] 

Go back to red.dit

>> No.13302049

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth."

>> No.13302070

When does the way of kings get good?

I'm over 500 pages in and literally nothing has happened.

>> No.13302073 [DELETED] 

Fuck off

>> No.13302076

in the last 5% but not really
enjoy sanderson

>> No.13302089

Have I made a mistake

>> No.13302321

>When does the way of kings get good?
it doesn't

>Have I made a mistake
Only if you keep reading his books.

>> No.13302417

Is that what the Buddhist bible says?

>> No.13302503

Never read Ursula Le Guin before. Where should I start?

>> No.13302566

Wizard of Earthsea. Short, simple, good.

>> No.13302578

Fuck off you obnoxious tranny.

>> No.13302652

No,because writers like John Brunner already wrote about that 60 years ago

>> No.13302674

Is there any point to reading SF authors other than Gene Wolfe?

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Anyone read this? I've heard some good things.

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>> No.13302804

Would you mind explaining what that point is?

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Got these for my birthday, rate them from best to worst

>> No.13302862

I can't believe people still think Cyberpunk is anything but a empty but cool aesthetic, have they checked on the authors recently?

>> No.13302907

If you only read Wolfe, you would have nothing to compare it to. Oh it might be the best thing you've read but... Can you really be sure of that?

>> No.13303010

Lyonesse sucks horse dick. The brave free men starts exceptionally well, but the next two books devolve into pointless, rushed romps riddled with plot holes. Don't know about the rest.

>> No.13303049

I am currently reading Dune, was it ever explained why there is so much muslim terms and culture on Arrakis (whether it's lore wise, or why the author suddenly became islamist tier)?

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Latest haul

>> No.13303133

Does that Star Diaries have every Ijon Tichy story?

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I'm not sure..

Here's what it has

>> No.13303199

Thanks. It doesn't.

I'm trying to figure out which books to get to have them all but it's confusing because some of the releases have different titles but the same stories.

>> No.13303213

Oh I see, have you read some of them before or why are you so desperate to get them all?

I got that book for 30p so a total bargain

>> No.13303235

Aye, amazing price.

I'm not really desperate, I just like Lem and I want to get paperbacks of his work. I don't want to buy duplicates since i'm probably going to have to buy some new and it's a bit of pain to catalogue some of it because of all the different types of releases over the years.

>> No.13303278

Its online retard sci-fi, but has anybody read deathworlders?
Does it ever get back to more humanity fuck yeah shit or is it going to talk about trannies, abortion, gay sex, sex with raccoons, and how stupid religion is forever

>> No.13303287

Ah fair enough

Just checked out the new Penguin version - nice cover art but has the same stories as my version

>> No.13303291

Not according to OP, but according to GRRM these pose a problem. learn to read mate.

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Has anyone else here read this?

>> No.13303429

Dany and Jon have never spoken in the books, they have technically never even resided on the same continent together. You sound like you just watched the show and assumed that's how the books end.

>> No.13303559

Lyonesse is boring, don't know about the rest.

>> No.13303588

I don't know, I like chivalric romances.

>> No.13303602


It'll be pure and total bullshit if Jon is brought back in the middle of Winds and meets and falls in love with Daenerys at the end and realizes he has to kill her for reasons in Winds. It would just be a lot better if all of Jon's scenes with Daenerys are actually of Aegon and Daenerys. Jon stays dead and isn't resurrected.

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>In honor of Pride month, be open and tell us all about your favorite LGBTQ characters.
How about EMPIRE by Samuel Delaney. I started reading "Dhalgren" but quit because I'm somewhat homophobic and was grossed out by the explicit gay sex. EMPIRE leaves it ambiguous so I got to enjoy the whole thing.

Also the illustrations are by Howard Chaykin who did the original Star Wars comic book adaptations.

>> No.13303704

What are some fantasy books where Elves (or a race similar to elves) are the antagonists? i want to see elves getting BTFO

>> No.13303721

>favorite LGBTQ character

Baron Harkonnen

>> No.13303794

The Elf Nigger Chronicles by NRRRS

>> No.13303801

No but this is on my list. I love me some philosophy + fiction (e.g. Anathem, Darkness that Comes Before).

>> No.13303830

Markus Heitz – Die Zwerge (German, 5 books)

Translated into English as The Dwarves. The Albae are an antogonistic elvish race, and the proper elves themselves aren't all that nice either. Scores of both get maimed and killed; often by dwarfish axes and hammers.

>> No.13303846

Lords and Ladies, one of the Discworld books. It's comedy like the rest of the series but they're played completely straight as antagonists.

>> No.13303860

A Witch Shall Be Born. Hour of the Dragon is great too but I'm a sucker for the Bible symbolism of the former.

>I love how the woman Conan is with in that story is naked for almost its entirety.
Every Conan love interest is absolute top tier GF material LOL. My favorite is the chick from "Red Nails".

The funny thing is that almost no sex takes place in the novels Howard wrote himself. I always wondered if that was against the rules of the pulps, or maybe Howard really was in the closet after all.

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In the original 6 books, it's only sorta kinda not really alluded that the fremen are descendants of some people from a long ass time ago that kinda sorta were kinda sorta Muslim sand negroes, or something like that. The fremen themselves (along with MANY other things) become irrelevant beyond the first 2 books. Even in Children (3rd book) you can argue that they aren't important in the slightest.
I love Dune to death, it's my favorite series by a long mile (only because I consider Book of the New Sun just that... a (1) book) but the one thing I hate about the series overall is how some things are brought up once or twice and then NEVER AGAIN, and how some things are presented as, like, 'mega super important guys' and then there's never any payback and are never mentioned again, ever. Makes me think how the series would have ended if Frank lived. Never did read his son's books, but I might.

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I've been thinking about getting The Illustrated Good Omens as a gift, is the quality of the book good with well done illustrations or should I just buy the normal edition?

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Just got done with the Wheel of Time and have already read LOTR, so could anyone reccomend a good generic epic fantasy series ?
Nothing trying to break the mold or do anything new, just a great buncha books ?
So much stuff now seems like its "Traditiional fantasy, but with giant hamsters"!

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I've never read that edition myself but I'm familiar with Paul Kidby and I know his art is a bit polarizing; some people like it and others really don't, mainly because of the way he draws people. He did a bunch of the Discworld covers, so check those out if you want to see what his style is like.

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More Kidby, since somebody mentioned Lords and Ladies earlier.

>> No.13304161

Ports of Call
Planet of Adventure
To live forever
The brave free men

>> No.13304275

>Arthur C. The Sands
>Clarke of Mars
What did they mean by this?

>> No.13304389

It means yer a blind cunt.

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>Being a retard
What did he mean by this?

>> No.13304474

Conan has sex with a pirate captain in front of her crew in Queen of the Black Coast. A few stories have the female protagonist getting (implicitly) raped by the villain at the beginning.

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It's a meme you dips

>> No.13304503

Books where someone from roughly now gets sent 50-100 years into the future?

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oooh le funny meme

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Apologies for linking to Tumblr but they have some good examples of the illustrations:

Here are some more examples from Paul Kidby's website:

>> No.13304622

is there a list anywhere of fantasy with good prose?

I only read fantasy very occasionally, and it's such a disappointment when you have something recommended to you only for it to end up reading like a children's book, except 1000 pages long.

>> No.13304651

Obligatory wolfe recommendation. Now fuck back off to outer /lit/

>> No.13304669

nice cory meme

>> No.13304694

I just picked up The Buried Giant, gonna start reading today

>> No.13304696

maybe since you are so disappointed in fantasy, you can do some research for your self and find something you like instead of coming here with only the vaguest of criteria and begging for recs.

>> No.13304742

fantasyfags are so defensive, jesus

>> No.13304863

Moth & Cobweb

>> No.13305234

The Last Ringbearer.

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gonna write tonight /sffg/. I swear to fucking god.

I wish I had an answer anon, but I feel you. Elves have all the traits of a great antagonist. They're ancient race of magically potent immortals who are profoundly racist, enslave weaker species. They're faster than humans, have better aim and eyesight than humans, and are more beautiful to boot. And on top of all of that, the oldest traditions hold that their view of the world was so alien that the word "eldritch" arose from the word "elven"

Frankly, elves could eat humans daintily and it wouldn't seem out of character. They just don't consider humans that different from the other things that *evolved* like animals

>> No.13305485

really like the paul kidby illustrations. theyre fucking great.

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>8 tabs open on laptop
>4 books open nearby
>3 phones all running towards the same goal
>glasses off because I can't read / write with them on
>3:58 AM as I'm typing this, on a relaxing summer Saturday night
>drinking tree sap
What are your rituals for writing? I'm notoriously slow in the entire process, I do like to consult dictionaries and translators (some words work better in other languages, but I need an equivalent of them in my own language) as well as re-reading several books at once.
What are the phones for? Well I store everything I write in a cloud storage. One phone is for writing, the two other phones are for editing different sections simultaneously.
And what is that tree sap I'm drinking? It's actually birch sap. Look it up.

>> No.13305524

Will check them out,Thanks!

>> No.13305655

Any authors similar to Patrick Ness or Nancy Farmer?

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>40+ tabs open
>sitting on my bed with my laptop open
>starting any time between midnight and 1am
>writing in open office even though it sucks out of habit and storing on dropbox
>set a 500 word limit and either fail to meet it or write 1000 words
>perodically saying "oh god this is so shitty"

Interesting about the birch sap. Where do you live planeboi? I knew about birch syrup, but I never heard about drinking the sap. Granted, I should have known since I've seen maple sap sold in groceries before (I regret not getting it at the time because I never saw it again) and one of the things I researched for this story was the edibility of birch bark

What does it taste like? Is it like maple syrup (the real stuff, not pancake syrup) where it tastes sort of like brown sugar, or is it something else. For some reason I imagine it having a more herbacious flavor

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Post xianxia.

>> No.13306058

Is there any optimistic hard science fiction left? It seems a lot of modern day hard realistic Sci-Fi is just overwhelmingly depressing.

>> No.13306174

Then why is it leftists that are always shrieking about oppression?

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God, I fucking hate Raven. Such a stupid edgelord character (which I guess was kind of the point). Cringed hard at that entire sex scene.

>> No.13306412

If you like Patrick Ness' Chaos Walking scifi worldbuilding, you might like the Coldfire Trilogy. I have no match on Nancy Farmer.

>> No.13306462

That wasn't the fault of Raven. It's because Stephenson can only ever write bad sex scenes.

>> No.13306715

Which SFF author should I read if I want to learn more about Mormon theology?

>> No.13306752

James S.A. Corey

>> No.13306778

brandon sanderson

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>> No.13306820

what the fuck is this gay shit? why are you tying Conan in with your faggot shit and your psychosis riddled trans freaks. you disgust me

>> No.13306924

good . we dont take to your kind around here

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I'm from Eastern Europe and there's a long tradition of gathering birch sap right where I live. A lot of other folk traditions and many legenda are still standing which might have been influencing my love for fantasy and mythology.
As for the sap, it tastes, to my opinion, like a more diluted coconut water. It has that specific plant-y taste, but it's good. I like it. And birch trees are some of my favorite trees ever. Very aesthetic.

>> No.13307441

Rainbows End is kinda maybe like that a little bit.

>> No.13307446

I don't think you (and the literal faggots that use it) know what that means.
Are you afraid to the point of irrationality because some guy you never met is being stuffed like a sausage machine? Then you have no phobia of men on men.

>> No.13307487

Anyone that likes conan is a closet faggot.
You want to read a book about a half naked, glistening with sweat, muscly man crushing and slamming everything into submission. You gay.

>> No.13307504

anyone post this yet?

>> No.13307554

Please go project somewhere else, queer.

>> No.13307572

It's almost like that's a propagandistic term that is used to project weaknesses such as fear onto anyone who expresses moral opposition to homosexuality.

>> No.13307597

Which SFF authors should I read if I want to learn why Mormonism is wrong?

>> No.13307662

begone lover of the same gender.

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>> No.13307719

How could you live today and be optimistic about the future

>> No.13307757

This was my favorite book from childhood, I've read that shit too many times. I feel like if it wasn't attached to the series it would've been bigger.

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to be fair, it seems like the most exciting possibility in the future for our everyday lives is also one of our best chances for survival

Right now, meat production is one of the biggest contributors to global warming because of how much pollution is produced growing food for livestock, shipping it to farms, cleaning up waste, and shipping meat to grocers and butchers. On top of that our diets are limited by what can be commercially farmed, and as delicious as meat is there's no denying it's unethical

the advent of lab grown meat could solve all these problems, greatly reducing the resources and pollution needed to produce and ship meat, increasing the availability of exotic meats like giraffe or peacock, and alleviating any and all ethical concerns. Arguably, it could even result in ethically sourced human meat being sold in groceries though that last part is probably a bad idea.

On top of that, if we get to the point where we can grow fat as well as meat, it's possible that every steak could be A5 Kobe beef.

You've got to admit that's something to be hopeful about.

>> No.13307915

Uh mate a little global warming never hurt anyone

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>> No.13307945

>How could you live today and be optimistic about the future

By not reading retards and scaremongers.

>Right now, meat production is one of the biggest contributors to global warming

That would have been a great reason to ramp up cattle farming, assuming a substantial global warming that has anything to do with us. Global warming would have been really awesome and beneficial for humanity. Alas, it is almost certainly bullshit.

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>> No.13308107

>tfw in the future you will only be able to buy authentic, animal-grown meat on the black market

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>fiction and fantasy general
>global warming talk

>> No.13308128

real meat isn't going to go away anon. There are far, far, far too many science-hating health nuts out there for everyone to switch to lab grown meat, but the industry reduced enough to make a major environmental difference, and what real meat is available will likely be higher quality or more ethically produced. The only downside is its going to get more expensive due to the relative expense of production and low demand

>> No.13308146

We need to have a round earth discussion next.

>> No.13308159

>literally made up of inbred, bigoted, flat-earthers and has the gall to insult reddit and tumblr

this is so sad

>> No.13308176

If you want to talk to flat-earth denying faggot lovers then why don't you go back there.

>> No.13308273

>global warming would be awesome for humanity
Ok retard
God right wing takes are incredible

>> No.13308342

yeah. its a little hilarious what kind of ideas they come up with in between naming their sister-daughter Lurleen and clapping her cheeks while high on meth

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>> No.13308656

Thanks for the reminder that leftists hate poor and rural white people.

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