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[Anonymous No.13276798]

China is literally has re education camps to teach people to be better citizens and is putting plans in motion to censor people who do or say things against the government.

Have people just grown apathetic and numb? How is a 1984-esque society even becoming a thing.

[Anonymous No.13276807]

>>13276798
>and is putting plans in motion to censor people who do or say things against the government.
The social credit system is NOT censorship, it is just a system which is a bandaid for a non existent societal framework.

In any decent culture criticising the Government comes at some social cost, but since both the west and China have long lost any "decent culture", the government needs to step in to reassert normality.
It's about as "Orwellian" as the pre WW1 west.

[Anonymous No.13276891]

>>13276807

Youd have to be uninformed not to know that China is already actively censoring any anti government speech actively

>the government needs to step in to reassert normality.It's about as "Orwellian" as the pre WW1 west.

I was unaware the pre ww1 west had reduction camps for "unbehaving" citizens. Beside that your comment is too broad, in what way is an empirically counted set, set of points based on obedience to authoritarian system similar to a pre ww1 west? Give exact examples.

[Anonymous No.13276894]

>>13276798
because they don't want to degenerate into a society like ours. they will conquer us through the most basic way ever to conquer other civilizations, monogamy.

[Anonymous No.13276898]

>>13276798
>re education camps to teach people to be better citizens and is putting plans in motion to censor people who do or say things against the government
Based Platonists

[Anonymous No.13276919]

>>13276894

So you would personally want to be under a system which closely monitors everything you do and say?

[Anonymous No.13276973]

>>13276919
no, i just acknowledge that it's better than what we have, assuming it's put to the right uses, family and national values, which it is.

[Anonymous No.13277089]

>>13276891
>China is already actively censoring any anti government speech actively
Like what? Worse then what is happening in the west?

>reduction camps for "unbehaving" citizens.
I thought the camps were for the Muslims?

>Beside that your comment is too broad, in what way is an empirically counted set, set of points based on obedience to authoritarian system similar to a pre ww1 west?
I don't get what you are trying to say, but it seems pretty self evident that if you went around in 1900 shitting on your government there would be social consequences.

[Anonymous No.13277094]

>>13276919
I think the Chinese system is great. Not as great as having a decent culture to regulate these things by itself, but you can't have everything.

[Anonymous No.13277279]

>>13276919
>So you would personally want to be under a system which closely monitors everything you do and say?

My desires clearly don't matter, because I'm already under it. Except the rules of behavior for violating which my life can be ruined are ever-mutable and people running the system are actively, openly hostile.

[Anonymous No.13277286]

>>13276798
Hail China, freedom is a myth

[Anonymous No.13277289]

Where have you been for the past 70 years, OP?

[Anonymous No.13277293]

>>13276798
>China is literally has re education camps to teach people to be better citizens and is putting plans in motion to censor people who do or say things against the government.
So does the EU?

[Anonymous No.13277564]

>>13276798
Necessary trade-off to avoid the state of total social anarchy that capitalism inevitably brings about. Now we just need Western governments to realize this is how people actually want modern technology to be utilized, instead of using it to monitor whether or not you're angry about your child taking state-mandated sex hormone treatments.

[Anonymous No.13277589]

>>13277289

Youre just making me feel old now

[Anonymous No.13277614]

>>13277286
based. Everyone i talk with just argues with muh freedom, yet they never understand its only worth something if it exists in a valueable infrastructure where it can express itself. If you tolerate too much bullshit under the invisibility cloak of freedom, you will destroy anything wortwhile therefore your freedom of choice is worthless.

[Anonymous No.13277626]

I've grown sympathetic with Chinese methods because most people are stupid and need to be shaped. The west stopped doing it and look what happened, we have adults cutting the balls off children because they accidentally picked up a Barbie. If the state doesn't indoctrinate people, somebody else will. The left in America has filled that void and results are disastrous.

[Anonymous No.13277687]

>>13276798
The difference is China has a government of Chinese, for a Chinese future. The West has a ruling class alien and alienated from itself that is committed to its own decline and erasure. To be Chinese and be against the former is immoral.

[Anonymous No.13277697]

>>13277279
Truthpilled.

[Anonymous No.13277721]

When did the west stop seeing politics as public morality and statecraft as the guidance of the peoples morals and social attitudes? China is doing what a government should do in its own way. Europeans are the fucking weirdos here.

[Anonymous No.13277810]

>>13276798
>China is literally has re education camps to teach people to be better citizens and is putting plans in motion to censor people who do or say things against the government.
China is a Marxist-Leninist state, even the worse of what's going on there today is better than during the cultural revolution 50 years ago.

>Have people just grown apathetic and numb? How is a 1984-esque society even becoming a thing.
What do you mean by a "1984-esque society"? Orwell was essentially writing about Stalin's Russia. It actually existed. China is surly extremely disturbing to anyone adhering to ostensibly "liberal" Western values but the prison population is actually BIGGER in America, it's weird to think but more people are totally deprived of even the right to free movement and such on very questionable charges there. Also it's not like the idea of taking "bad people" and putting them in hermetically sealed chambers and pumping in gas isn't a potentially very popular idea to protect the children and property of a precarious middle class.

[Anonymous No.13277857]

>>13276798
you're preaching to a board of degenerates who think they're not, authoritarians who chose that ideology specifically because it goes against the status quo, needy men who want their desires met but want someone else to manage their lives for them. China is struggling with this issue right now because the young people want to liberalise but the older generations want a strong national identity. They may seem apathetic now and the government may seem to be tightening its grip but those are just growing pains. Once a nation's people get a taste of freedom, it becomes very difficult to take it away. The American government struggled for hundreds of years of wars, Supreme court decisions, and propaganda campaigns to become as authoritarian as it is today.

[Anonymous No.13277965]

>>13276807
>In any decent culture criticising the Government comes at some social cost
Only if the government is infallible. Constructive criticism of the government can lead to positive change.

[Anonymous No.13278000]

The main problem is that most of the west (including burgers) are now anti-imperialist and take such a stance against America that they praise their enemies/rivals. My guess would be that this is an innate tribal reflex that makes normies think you it's either one side or the other.

[Anonymous No.13278008]

>>13278000
Winrar

[Anonymous No.13278015]

>>13277687
Commies try to erase traditions that have been in China for millennia.
>it's immoral to disagree

[Anonymous No.13278035]

>>13277965
>Constructive criticism of the government can lead to positive change.
Provide an actual example. Do you mean its officers or its actual structure? When it comes to China the basis of the state itself (free Tibet dude and balkanize it) and the communist party itself is viewed as categorically illegitimate by the public and Western policy elite. The only correct institutional framework is "liberal democracy" as the end of history.
The only valid consequences of criticism of government can amount to replacing "bad men" with "good men" who will "obey the law" e.g. it's practically impossible to criticize the constitutional foundations of the state, anyone questioning the nearly impossible procedurally correct method of reform would be dismissed as a kook or an actual criminal who needs to be put down.

>>13278000
>most of the west (including burgers) are now anti-imperialist
No they're not. No one is revolting against their state nor questioning the foundational legitimacy of it or even demanding any drastic policy changes which would result in a real transformation of the basis of international relations.

[Anonymous No.13278040]

>>13278015
Liberalism and Humanism are not Chinese traditions and the PRC and old-ROC were right to squelch it before it destroyed the republican project as it has in the West.

[Anonymous No.13278109]

>>13276798
Because they literally have nuclear weapons and produce pretty much all the products we crave.

>>13276807
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[Anonymous No.13278112]

>>13278035
The majority of the policy comes from politicians trying to appeal to the voters criticisms of the current government (wanting tax breaks, increasing funding in healthcare, social reforms, etc). This is not about left and right because changes are constantly made in favour of every spectrum which is largely the result of the opinion of the electorate outside countries that only have 1 party.

>revolting against their state nor questioning the foundational legitimacy
Is this the only thing you consider a change? In the UK, there constant protests/criticism on Brexit, supplying arms to countries like Saudi Arbai, environmental controls (to the point of limiting individuals air travel), fairness in the current voting system. I would consider all of these drastic and would change things for the better or worse.

[Anonymous No.13278139]

>>13278112
Mobs can pressure politicians to make positive or negative policy changes but politicians have to obey rules which prevent any real substantial redirections from ever occurring. The whole system is set up structurally to make them incapable of achieving goals. It's mostly theatrics.

[Anonymous No.13278153]

>>13276798
Truly saddening to see everything implemented by the Chinese government is instantly viewed through western cynical lens as dystopic and evil, yet you guys somehow claim to be the more imaginative and creative race. How about gain some open mindedness and read through some Chinese history, you will then understand they’re not interested in world domination, they have never waged a war of conquest and simply want to live. Western imperialism is all you know and why you view things from such ideological lens.

[Anonymous No.13278156]

>>13276798
North Korea has been an Orwellian society since its founding and people have criticized it for years. I've heard people both IRL and on the Internet (including this site) criticizing China's new policies. If anything, China is getting talked about far more now than in the last 2 decades.

[Anonymous No.13278164]

>>13278139
What rules prevent them from implenting basic policy?

I'm literally saying
>goverment do bad thing
>people voice concern
>opposition says they will fix it if they vote for them
>enough people care to get them elected
>new government implements it under threat of not being elected next time
Most political decisions are made to keep themselves in power so they tend to bend to the will of the masses.

[Anonymous No.13278171]

>>13278153
>because the government doesn't want to hurt me I shouldn't care about the welfare of countries people

[Anonymous No.13278177]

>>13277857
>China is struggling with this issue right now because the young people want to liberalise but the older generations want a strong national identity

You’re either trolling or completely ignorant. The Chinese youths are nationalist as fuck, the government feeds them propaganda from a young age through formal education and selective showing of tv programs (unlike the Jewish media in america which is all about antagonisation see white supremacy and pol). They instil into them how great the Chinese civilisation once was and how great they can become, also throw in some anti jap hate, basically a big patriotic circlejerk to fuel their nationalism.

Just in Australia, there’s been news on international students trying to get professors fired because they (accidentally or otherwise) declared Taiwan was not a part of China.

Trust me when I say this, all this anti China propaganda is only fuelling the younger Chinese generation towards nationalism.

[Anonymous No.13278193]

>>13278000
Or maybe after witnessing brexit, the election of trump and liberals willingly welcoming hordes of immigrants who only looted and raped their country, they began to open their eyes to the facts that maybe just maybe a western style democracy, handing power to the common masses, might not be the most effective way to govern a country.

[Anonymous No.13278202]

>>13278177
>anti-China propaganda
There are legit criticisms of China's policies but they are co-opted by western governments in order to further their own agendas. this has made me realize that the more well-read and informed one becomes, the tinier the pool you respect and admire shrinks while the pool of people you hate grows.

[Anonymous No.13278205]

A reminder that up until recently Britain executed 1% of its population ever year for Wrongthink.

[Anonymous No.13278227]

>>13277286
>>13277614
Gtfo commie faggots. Freedom is the ideal and when people dont keep those in check who try to abuse it (politicians, businesses) then it shows its flaws. Stop hiding under the curtain of absolute authority due to you being weak faggots unable to do anything about anything

[Anonymous No.13278243]

>>13278202
>hurr durr I shitpost on pol therefore I’m well read and better knowledged than you actual chinks who have lived in the country

Shut up

[Anonymous No.13278259]

>>13278243
I haven't posted on /pol/ since it got invaded by r/thedonald in 2016. You're not Chinese nigga, 4chan is banned there, and if you are you're paid by the government to shill for China.

[Anonymous No.13278285]

>>13278259
I’m Chinese, but you can keep trying to deny whatever facts presented in front of you so don’t have to confront the fact that you’re a pseud and that you’re actually not that knowledgeable nor smart.

[Anonymous No.13278299]

>>13278227
We will see how it works out in europe, people will run away from their freedom straight into the fangs of islam.
How is usury not abusing freedom?

[Anonymous No.13278313]

>>13278285
You're the one who deflecting. Your country's policies not only affect your countrymen but they affect people all over the world too. The social credit score system is ripe for abuse, your government liberally censors dissidents, you have taken land that doesn't belong to you on shaky justifications, you have annihilated your own culture, you produce a fuckton of pollution and take no steps to reduce the harm you do to the environment. And like it or not, this is the Internet. Everyone gets shit and criticized. If you don't like it you can stop posting anytime

[Anonymous No.13278420]

>>13278313
Just going to post this here. You’re free to criticize at least back it up with facts yeah?
>you produce a fuckton of pullution and take no steps to reduce the harm

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-going-green-here-s-how/

I won’t be addressing all those issues since Im not here to educate you, if you were genuinely interested in China and her policies you wouldn’t be here yapping, pretending to know everything.

[Anonymous No.13278483]

>>13276798

>muh 1984

Rambling Descarted

[Anonymous No.13278509]

>>13278202

>the American government would never react violently against student proteste-

[Anonymous No.13278542]

It's a leapfrog effect. What they do is, they pioneer "bottom-up" soft control in the West, where you have to be subtle about these things. Then they take the data they've gathered from the soft control methods and apply it "top-down" in China, where you can be ridiculously brutal about reeducating people, while still claiming to be a modern society and economy.

In the West you have people being on Facebook and other social media 24/7, carrying around listening devices and GPS trackers everywhere they go, being always in range of microphones, simply thinking of life itself in terms of "being online." Everything people do is now digitally "footprinted," exists in a digital matrix, so that even your mistypes and misclicks and abortive half-interests that don't go anywhere can still be fed into algorithms and monitored. In the East you have "social credit," the state digitally footprinting people and making Stalinist/Orwellian/North Korean totalitarianism modern.

Doesn't take a genius to see what the next step is. Just click the two together like a puzzle piece, China's top-down management and the West's bottom-up self-management, and you have the end of the species, already successfully protoyped and field-tested for decades now. All the repression of China with none of the backlash; all the soft control of the West's "consumer-citizens" with none of the slight possibility that they will rebel.

The only way to stop this is to rebel against computers in general. We can still use computers and machines, but we need to take a dramatic step back and reconsider their total infiltration of our lives, purge them from our systems a bit, stop this process of becoming cyborgs before we even asked to be cyborgs. China is a way of preventing this step back. In the West, there's still room for an unpredictable mass movement of reaction to cybernetic control. But with China, it will become a fait accompli, a billion people will be effectively cybernetic, and you will suddenly have to "compete" with China. The farther along the Chinese get, the harder it will be to convince Western leaders that it isn't the right path. Selective genetic engineering is next.

[Anonymous No.13278545]

>>13278509
I hate both the American government and disapprove the policies of the PRC's leadership. Christ, get out of that us vs them, black and white mentality, the world is more complex than "side A good, side B bad"

[Anonymous No.13278566]

>>13278545
you're dealing with an indoctrinated chinaman. you're lucky he can say something other than CHINA STRONG YOU NOT CRITICIZE CHINA.

[Anonymous No.13278576]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV1EY6wZHo

[Anonymous No.13278584]

>>13278566

I never said any of that. I am just saying that it's not only BAD COUNTRY THEM GOOD COUNTRY US NEVER DO.

[Anonymous No.13278792]

>>13278576
The "poor people collecting recyclable garbage and selling it" happens too in cities in South America. I actually saw a family collecting cardboard and lugging it away in a horse-drawn carriage in Salta, Argentina.

[Anonymous No.13278809]

>>13278792
Yes and it happens in North America but it doesn't fit the narrative

[Anonymous No.13278842]

>>13278809
But the Brit does have a point thought. The concept of "face" is not present in Western societies, or at least not to the same extent as in China. This concept of "face" is also present in Japan and South Korea afaik.

[Anonymous No.13278851]

>>13276798
I might be one of the few who watched the collectivization scenes in The Killing Fields and thought "god, I wish that was me." Being so run down that you're willing to trade your freedom for obedience is a weird place to be.

[Anonymous No.13278945]

>>13278313
>you have taken land that doesn't belong to you on shaky justifications
>you have annihilated your own culture
>you produce a fuckton of pollution and take no steps to reduce the harm you do to the environment
>t. westerner
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

[Anonymous No.13278986]

>>13278792
Is this really something people aren't aware of? There's recycling rebates all over the place and the poor are always taking advantage of it, even in america. That's what's so infuriating about the ocean being full of trash, if a government paid even less than a cent per pound of trash poor ass fucking people would go get it all.

[Anonymous No.13278995]

>>13278986
the media leads the public to believe that garbage collecting only happens in places like India, where some people LITERALLY live on garbage piles.

[Anonymous No.13279012]

>>13276798
at least china has a proffesional thought police working 24/7 to enforce a coherent set of prosocial, proven to work confucian-leninist virtues. The west, meanwhile, is an atomizing panopticon hell ruled by the arbitrary whims of discord trannies and prog virtue signal arms races, were the acceptance or rejection of a moral precept depends solely on how much it ''triggers'' the outgroup.

[Anonymous No.13279049]

>>13276798
the sudden redditor moral panic about those devious red Chinese, just seems so... coordinated.First the Trump Russia Gay Putler affair, now this. Doesn't it remind one of the cold war? or 2003 Saddam WMD? How to tell when one is falling for a CIA disinfo op?

[Anonymous No.13279104]

>>13278153
>not interested in world domination, they have never waged a war of conquest
>>>>>

[Anonymous No.13279161]

>>13279104
>implying the feudal boy fucking theocrats of tibet didn't have it coming.

>implying the dalai lama is not a known CIA asset

Can the Chinese yoke really be THAT bad? I don't get Canadians or Australians who complain about muh Chinese invasion. The Anglos had their chance and their golden days, but they failed to keep their dominion over the lesser races. Stern confucian morality is just what Trudeauland needs in order to keep from degenerating into full sharia transgender dystopia.

[Anonymous No.13279171]

>>13279161
>order stern confucian morality
>receive take away restaurants and chinese nouveau riche kids in bmw's

[Anonymous No.13279748]

>>13279012
ORANGE
MAN
GOOD

[Anonymous No.13279786]

>>13279161
Everything is transgender with you people, even islam for some reason.

[Anonymous No.13279952]

>>13279748
I'm not a fan of the Blumpf, he does not display confucian virtue, he is fact the opposite of a virtuous ruler and has achieved nothing except further deranging his subjects through his bad example. A virtuous ruler would be someone more on the lines of Xi Jinping or Lee Kwan Yew.

>>13279786
shitlibs have made clear what are their plans for islam, from the BBC. This made me unironically sympathise with Jihadis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yowuo4pH8Lc

[Anonymous No.13280048]

How does one start with Confucius?

[Anonymous No.13280059]

>>13279161
china is far superior in their set up, their niggers are at least racially homogenous and don't sow racial tension.

[Anonymous No.13280075]

>>13279786
Trannyism is the perfect representative of what's wrong with the west. That is our collective morality now. It is what's being taught in the libraries, schools, and the media.

[Anonymous No.13280152]

>>13278420
And this will somehow bring China's emissions to less than 20% of the world's total?

[Anonymous No.13280173]

>>13278584
China is far worse than the US, there is no equivalence.

[Anonymous No.13280202]

>>13280173
the living standards of the average chinese have improved dramatically over the last 50 years, while for american's they have stagnated if not actually gone backwards. but we are at least free to make jokes about the drumpf and be trannies you are into that sort of thing

[Anonymous No.13280235]

>>13280202
>the living standards of the average chinese have improved dramatically over the last 50 years, while for american's they have stagnated if not actually gone backwards.
...the chinese living standards are still worse

[Anonymous No.13280274]

>>13280235
For one the, chinese are not made to feel guilty for being chinese. Their traditional culture is revered, their music their history, religion and philosophy, meanwhile western culture is forgotten by the masses and on the academy hijacked by shitlib ideologues who hate their own discipline and field of study, only want to talk about queers and white privilege and get anyone who is really interested in the greeks or dante or beethoven fired for being probably a closet white supremacist

[Anonymous No.13280676]

>>13276807
>The social credit system is NOT censorship, it is just a system which is a bandaid for a non existent societal framework.
>Do and act as we say or accrue cost.
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.13280685]

>>13277687
China is are Asiatic mutts. The wealthy hide all their wealth outside of China when it all goes tits up.

[Anonymous No.13280747]

>>13277810
People are not going to prison for wrong think.

[Anonymous No.13280765]

>>13280235
>chinas living quality: rising
>western living quality: dropping
do the math

[Anonymous No.13280798]

>>13276798
>China is literally has re education camps to teach people to be better citizens and is putting plans in motion to censor people who do or say things against the government.
and America has public schools, Hollywood, HR departments, Twitter, Facebook, the ADL and the SPLC, etc. etc. Turns out it's a lot easier to control people if you just give them iPhones and capeshit. The television, film, and the internet at the most dangerous weapons ever created.

[Anonymous No.13280841]

>>13278243
>>13278259
>>13278285
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.13280844]

>>13278202
Did you know that famous photograph was taken a day after the alleged incident? The photographer himself, Jay Widener, said so. This is really a fascinating article from Unz about it. The CIA had a huge part in making the June 4th incident international news. In fact, without the CIA I doubt anything would have happened there. http://www.unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/

[Anonymous No.13280858]

>>13280274
What a load of bullshit

I went to a poetry reading by some black poet from Princeton who couldn't stop talking about how great Bach/Glenn Gould was

You don't know wtf you're talking about its all paranoia

[Anonymous No.13281984]

>>13277089

^Reductionism