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TAVERNS EDITION
>What are you currently reading?
>Post books with comfy taverns.

Monthly Reading for June: Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

Science Fiction:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/def184ad8f/124507.jpg
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General:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php


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>>13250604
>>13236170
>>13218759
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>>13196539

>> No.13265696

Why are there so many fucking taverns in fantasy books
They're full of loud drunk working class types, why would nerds like them
Just have your characters meet at a town square or something

>> No.13265710

>>13265696
Because a Tavern is an extremely easy way to establish the general character of a town.
It shows how respectable or dissolute the average citizen is, you will usually have a small aside describing merchants haggling over something which tells you what the town trades in, which by extension can tell you how the surrounding landscape is. For example merchants haggling over sheep would indicate that the surroundings are pasture land, whereas merchants haggling over furs would indicate woods. It can be used to establish whether locals are friendly or unfriendly, and it can also offer an easy justification for the primary characters to interact with people from a different social class.

>> No.13265712

>>13265696
Because Frodo et al go to that tavern near the beginning of LotR, therefore all fantasy books have to include a tavern.

>> No.13265715

FUCK ELVES

>> No.13265732

>>13265710
They should just have the characters congregate at their local high school like in my chinese cartoons.

>> No.13265781

6th for Allah

>> No.13265820

>>13265696
Because if you actually knew your history you'd know there used to be a lot of fucking taverns.

>> No.13265831

>>13265696
because reading shit fantasy inevitably leads to alcoholism

>> No.13265897

Is it worth reading the Prince of Nothing and Aspect Emperor? I saw some discussion in the last thread about how the final ending of it was bad or something. I'm always wary of investing so much time into these long series.

>> No.13265927

Gimme some sci fi with lightspeed kill vehicles.

>> No.13265959

>>13265897
I read the first three books, it's just maximum nihilism with some weird lore. Few characters are not hateable.

It's basically how I imagine Berserk's Golden Age with Griffith's perspective.

>> No.13265968

>>13265959
I'm aware of the type of story it is. I guess I'm asking if, provided I like this sort of thing, is it ultimately going to have no payoff in the end and make me regret it, if that makes sense.

>> No.13266005

So does anything actually happen in "The Way of Kings" or is it really just 1200 pages of
>Kaladin feels sorry for himself
>Dalimar has magic alzheimers
>Shallan feels bad about something in her past, how did her dad die btw?

>> No.13266015

>>13266005
all stormlight archive books are 95% boring filler and 5% le epic sanderson payoff except book 3 is so fucking long and boring that by the time you get to the payoff you don't fucking care anymore
also the spoiler is the main flashback theme of book 2

>> No.13266029

>>13266015
I mean they are written "in the style of Wheel of Time"

>> No.13266032
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Download can be found in the OP!

>May 30th
I know I know, I will fix it before next thread.

>> No.13266219

>>13266032
I thought you were done with those numerical errors, monthly reading anon. You promised.

>> No.13266225

>>13262987
If you're not a fan why do you care?
You do care. Do you think it's brainlets that lurk here? We see through your subterfuge.

>> No.13266228

>>13265632 #
Like how cuckoldry triggers you?
What makes it more funny was that Jesus was born of cuckoldry and infidelity. Mary was married to Joseph but god cucked him before he would enjoy his virgin wife and jesus was born.

>> No.13266307

>>13265897
Yes. The ending was only bad if you had to wait a year in between the 3rd and 4th book. Just read them together like they're the same book and it'll be fine. Its a great series.

>> No.13266331

>>13266307
Thanks. Were they originally supposed to be one very long book that got split, or did the last one have to be bloated out or something?

>> No.13266377

just want to die lads

>> No.13266388

>>13266331
Yes, it was supposed to be one very long book, but the publisher bitched about the book biding and made him split it. Since it was gonna be like 1200-1400 pages.

>> No.13266393

https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg
Whoever put Malazan behind not liking swords and sorcery and not liking quests to stop a greater evil is a nonce. If anything it should be under the roleplayer path.

>> No.13266399

>>13266388
All right. I'll try giving it a read then, thanks.

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>>13265696
Taverns are fun and a great backdrop for writing scenes where everyone is just having a good time. Stop projecting your bitterness anon, it's not healthy.

>> No.13266432

>>13266393
It's not our chart you twat, it's made by sfsignal.
And if we're being completely fair Malazan belongs in the stinking dogshit section right beside WoT and Stormlight.

https://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2011/09/flowchart_for_navigating_nprs_top_100_sff_books/

You can write them a strongly worded email with your issues.

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>modern fantasy

>> No.13266438

Are there any other fantasy novels that are linguistically complex in a similar manner to BotNS?

>> No.13266448

>>13265696
Why would they meet at the town square when taverns are natural meeting-places?

>> No.13266531

>>13266219
>>13266219
Well, technically this is not a numerical error so I wouldn’t say I’ve broken that promise.

>> No.13266567

>>13266428
Do all 4 of those guys take turns stuffing her vag?

>> No.13266584

>>13266437
cringed a little

>> No.13266638

>>13266437
Rothfuss is a spineless faggot who genuinely thinks being a woman being a literal whore means that she's a good and "powerful" female character and that true love is being freindzoned while watching the girl you love get railed by a different guy every week. I'll never understand how this series got popular.

>> No.13266640

>>13266437
>I almost felt sorry for them. Almost.
Just like one of my Japanese animes

>> No.13266650

>>13266640
Even those shitty Light Novels have better writing then whatever the fuck Kvothe and Denna's relationship is supposed to be.

>> No.13267129

>>13266640
But all the whores in animu are pure. Even when they're boys.

>> No.13267132

>>13265696
It's because it's a good (if unoriginal) way of introducing new characters, and it's in a setting that doesn't require anything other than your full attention to the characters presented.
In a tavern characters can just sit and talk, and time doesn't seem to flow except when needed. The characters just talk and watch for strangers and eat and drink. No important battle ever happens in a tavern, it's mostly just brawls added for the fun of it and to prove points (for example, character X is badass, how do we establish that? Have him one-punch some fucker in a tavern)

Besides, taverns are comfy. Are you american? Have you ever been to a real tavern with 2-3 friends? It's been some of the best times of my life, just fucking around with my bros a few years ago because life caught up. Fantasy is just escapism, and taverns are great for just that.

>> No.13267510

>>13265696
Believe it or not taverns actually existed irl.

>> No.13267539

>>13265897
Hell yeah, we love Bakker. Read the books and enjoy the ride. It's a great mixture of dark fantasy and philosophy.

>> No.13267605

Today might be the day for self pub chart bros.

>> No.13267624
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How are the Thomas Covenant books?

>> No.13267644

>>13265712
>that tavern near the beginning of LotR
It is The Prancing Pony you Philistine.

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>>13267605
Been hearing that for weeks now, are you perhaps writing the books and then putting them on the chart?

>> No.13267750

>>13267129
Boys are always pure. It's only girls who can be disgusting sluts.

>> No.13267805

>>13266437
This is like a horrible alternate reality look at Littlefinger. Where Baelish had no charm.

>> No.13267908

>>13267624
You either love them or hate them, and it must be said that most new readers hate them. I did like the first trilogy but had to force myself through most of the first book (it gets better), the second trilogy was meh.

>> No.13267952

Why does /lit/ hate us?

>> No.13268001

>>13267952
Because we read books.

>> No.13268009

>>13267707
I'm just lazy as fug.
You have some of the books I would be putting on too.
And Yes, there will be smut books intermixed. Seeing as a lot of smut books have great stories if you ignore the smut.

>> No.13268019

>>13267952
Because we do what they don't. Actually read. We also aren't pretentious and can back up arguments with things that aren't found in sparknotes.

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>>13268019
>We also aren't pretentious

>> No.13268137

you retards only hate the kingkiller chronicles because you're assblasted contrarians who can't stand that rothfuss disagrees with your ridiculous inbred dogma that's responsible for murdering millions of innocents to make some caeser wannabe's babydick feel bigger

>> No.13268139

I like I know why people like birdboi. It's the idea of extremes as curiosities. It's not like birdboi's brand of autism is uncommon, there are plenty of writers who boast about deep worldbuilding. From what I have gathers and from what has been said birdboi takes this to a far extreme to the point of nearly being a caricature.

That's why people like him.

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>>13268137
Go to bed pat.

>> No.13268157

>>13268137
I hate kingkiller chronicles because it's f*ntasy

>> No.13268170

>>13266437
How much of a shit Kvothe has to go to a literal whore instead of best girl Auri.

>> No.13268268
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The only value of cyberpunk is the aesthetics. You can't do anything with the genre that can't be done in a myriad of better ways in other genres.

plebs will disagree.

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>>13265641
>What are you currently reading?
Pic related. I need to write a short review of the most recent Amazon-thing I read but I'll sift the archives, find the one I did before that, then post it close to the top of a new thread. Crota is mediocre so far, full of stat infodumps but maybe the plot can go down a fun path if its down right.

>people thought Queen would beat Big Mom

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What am i in for, lads?
Heard good things about it and it looks absolutely gorgeous, so i grabbed it.

>> No.13268308

>>13265641
>What are you currently reading?
I'm finishing The Doomed City. In spite of the somewhat excessive use of baboons in the story I turned out enjoying it very much. Next I will read some non-fiction and after that I will tackle Lord of Light.

>> No.13268325

>>13268280
>Desolate Era
based

>> No.13268334

>>13268268
what other aestetic does corporate dystopia better?

>> No.13268370

>>13265641
fucking love taverns.
Cant wait for singularity to happen so i can upload myself to a giant fantasy world and live there

>> No.13268418

>>13266437
holy fuck

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>>13265641
Does this get better or is it all as bad as the first book?

>> No.13268473

>>13268458
Do not read WoT

>> No.13268501

>>13266228
lol I think you're projecting, Mohammed. Still; I'm extremely happy you are THIS triggered.

>> No.13268510

>>13268458
>>13268473
It gets better, read WoT

>> No.13268562

>>13268334
Modern nonfiction MBA reading ljsts

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>>13268562

>> No.13268701

>>13268458
Why did you even start reading this. you probably fell for the meme of people who claim stuff like Asoiaf or Kingkiller are trash but they recommend this nonsense.
I can only think they're boomers in their 50s, clinging to nostalgia

>> No.13268941

>>13266437
And this is the main character right? No wonder more women and less men read are reading fantasy when you have literal cuck protagonists like this.

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How was your weekend /sffg/? I did a lot of cooking related stuff and compiled some improvements for my writing

>after consulting a chocolatier, ive determined that giving my characters access to cocoa nibs is a bad idea because they're edible on their own
>when I get back into writing, im going to split the characters into two teams: the larger hunter team responsible for hunting, gathering and exploration, and the homestead team who are responsible for domestic and crafting tasks. MC should be domestic because of his skills and disability, but because of his insecurity he demands to be a hunter. whether or not his demand is permitted I still need to decide, as do I whether the homestead team is mockingly called the homestuck team since the homesteaders arent allowed outside a three block/one avenue radius without a chaperone

>> No.13269378

>>13268501
Not Muslim. The closest belief I have is Christianity. I believe something made us, and every action has an effect and nothing happens without reason. But the bible is built on contradictions.

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>>13268291

>> No.13269404

Time to ingest sulfur, lead, and mercury to temper my bones

>> No.13269432

>>13269404
swap out the lead with table salt and your kidney stones will be capable of human transmutation

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What are some stories where a character, or a group of characters (obligatory ragtag group of niggas) climb a Tower?

>> No.13269570

>>13269432
Ah yes from salt to stone to temper the mind with pain

>> No.13269611

>>13269348
Oh, that was you that was mining /ck/ for ideas.

>> No.13269651

/sffg/, I have a character who I'm feeling uncertain whether to include in my story. My cast are mostly teens and tweens who are trying to survive in a post-apocalyptic setting, but I want one of them to be the "adult" of the group without them feeling like a parental surrogate. Which one sounds better

>college-aged southern girl who comes off as older because of her mannerisms and very clearly has a ladyboner for buff jesus statues
>a college-aged cowpoke loosely inspired by the Naked Cowboy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Cowboy)

I'd prefer the former but she seems too much like a parental surrogate or schoolteacher.

>>13269479
code alera has a few heists, but admittedly the ones with towers aren't as interesting

>> No.13269654

>>13269611
i wasnt mining for ideas anon, all I did was ask if an idea I already had was feasible

>> No.13270142

>>13266032
>May

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>>13265696
Because unlike reality, Stacy might be doing something more interesting than Instawhoring.

>> No.13270251

Apologize if this has been asked before:

I've only finished reading Tolkien's works and A Song of Fire and Ice... I'm. Re to fantasy and now I want to get in deeper, high fantasy or not. I found myself wasting time starring at fantasy art.

Can some anons recommend some sagas that are good to start getting into? Hopefully not too exceedingly long but exceedingly long is good too

>> No.13270291

>>13270251
read the op newfriend

>> No.13270392

>>13265641
I am reading through snow crash, pretty good desu, its kind of funny how ready player one copied everything from this book and missed entirely what made it special.

>> No.13270412

>>13270251
Broken empire. 3 books and each is very short, like 200-300 pages.

>> No.13270502

>>13266377
don't do it bro

>> No.13270505

>>13266438
>Are there any other fantasy novels that are linguistically complex in a similar manner to BotNS?
Slog through the Long Sun so that you can read Short Sun.

>> No.13270533

>>13270251
If you want to go more into Grimdark, I would definitely suggest The Prince of Nothing. If you want to go more bright, I would warn you to stay away from The Wheel of Time.

>> No.13270555

>>13268458
In my experience it started off mediocre, the next several books became pretty good, then after that it became worse than I could ever possibly imagine and I dropped the books. Literally entire 1000 page books with fucking nothing of note happening. Supposedly Sanderson pulled it back together at the end, but I wouldn't know. I'd never recommend anyone to read this series. What you might get out of it is simply not worth the massive 12,000 page time investment.

>> No.13270573

>>13269379
I've considered reading this but I've been put off by what I've heard about the newer books. Is it preferable to just read the original trilogy instead?

>> No.13270896

>>13269379
Earthsea is boring and has no plot, debate.

>> No.13270901

Memes I fell for and didn't like

>The way of kings
>Malazan
>Earthsea
>the wheel of time

Memes I fell for and absolutely thought they were amazing

>Asoiaf
>Kingkiller
>Hyperion
>Dune

>> No.13271006

Malazan is good faggot

>> No.13271058

>>13271006
I read alot of those books as a tween. I forgot about them for years. Took me awhile to identify the memories for my records. I got up to the part where the dude with the fiddle was given wine with honey and bees in it by some demigod, and there was that other demigod with amnesia who had his heterosexual caretaker guy looking after him.

There was also the monster that turned into a billion rats.

I dropped it because I realized the story was just plodding on to plod on, with no purpose or meaning

>> No.13271070

>>13269379
Am I a bad person for being dubious about any fantasy series written by a woman? Although Robin Hobb wasn't terrible. Not great, but readable

>> No.13271080

>>13271070
Any book by a woman has a 98% chance of being feminist political slop.

>> No.13271113

>>13271058
>I dropped it because I realized the story was just plodding on to plod on, with no purpose or meaning
guess you dont think about what you read. its okay, you can just read some more hunger games and twilight

>> No.13271116

>>13271080
>>13271070
t. incel

>> No.13271128

>>13271116
See, even this is a politicized insult. Proof of my point.

>> No.13271180

>>13268458
The first 4 or so books are the best desu

>> No.13271206

>>13271128
based

>> No.13271302

>>13270901
>kingkiller
way to invalidate your whole opinion

>> No.13271406

>>13270200
It's been a few years since I saw that pic. No one makes original content macros for the new thread that matches the question.

>> No.13271411

>>13270392
>and missed entirely what made it special.
The underage hoe, being a hoe?

>> No.13271416

>>13270901
>books are now EPIC MAYMAYS
Lurk more and kill yourself, newfag filth

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>>13270901
Those aren't memes faggot.

>> No.13271476

>>13268701
>Why did you even start reading this. you probably fell for the meme of people who claim stuff like Asoiaf or Kingkiller are trash but they recommend this nonsense.

Basically this. Even back in the day WoT was nothing special.

>> No.13271478

>>13271434
>implying Borges is not fantasy

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>>13271434
newfags don't know who spoony is

>> No.13271638

>>13270573
Yes, the first three books were written close to each other and wrap up nicely, the fourth was written about 2 decades later after Guin had discovered radical feminism.

>> No.13271739

>>13270555
Are you me

>> No.13271782

hello ive jjust started readign boks
can you help me to find boks that is like manga name Berzerk
that is comic by japanse author kintaro motoro
domo angatou and suck my dick

>> No.13271790

>>13271782
I know this is a joke post, but unironically Prince of Nothing.

If you mean the earlier stuff not the forever boat journey.

>> No.13271823

>>13271782
Try wuxia

>> No.13271979

>>13270251
malazan, if you are high iq

>> No.13272080

Usually I read classics and occasionally sci-if, but a friend recommended The Way of Kings by Sanderson to me, is it any good? Haven’t read much fantasy besides LOTR, is this a good place to start?

>> No.13272092

>>13272080
sanderfag a hack and the start is kinda long-winded but there are worse places to start I guess

>> No.13272094

>>13272080
I wouldn't start it because it isn't finished.

>> No.13272100

>>13272080
>Usually I read classics and occasionally sci-if
>The Way of Kings by Sanderson
Good or not you would most likely not enjoy it.

>> No.13272106

>>13272080
>>13272100
And regarding where you should rather start, pick a book at random from the two upper rows of the selected fantasy chart in the OP.

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>>13272080

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>>13271406
Correct: 2017, according to the metadata.

OP, I'm drawing a blank as far as comfy taverns go. The inn at Bree? The Inn of Blue Lamps has its advocates. Possibly I could do better if the subject were restaurants. For a fact, I have had an idea for one stuck in my mind for years now that resulted from a visit to the Doutonbori Osho.

>> No.13272207

Just a friendly reminder to filter all tripcunts.

>> No.13272704

What are you cunts reading?
I just finished red sister loli(not anymore) 3 and am picking up the proclaimed GRI APPROVED fest that is the barrow.

>> No.13272705

>>13272092

Why is Sanderson hated so much in /sffg/? What don't you like about him? I haven't read anything by him so far, but all his novels seem to be rated pretty high on Goodreads. I know that the ratings on there are sometimes worthless, but is he really that unenjoyable?

>> No.13272745

>>13272705
he's not hated THAT much. he just churns out the same shit at an incredible pace and all of it has really boring prose and flat characters and his world building isn't really good either, even though that's what people praise him for. and hard magic systems are boring, too.

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>>13272705
Just a heads up newfriend. People that actually read don't have time to naysay the memers. People you see posting the same shit thread after thread without changing or adding to it are memers. They don't read, if they do, they read less than 50 books voluntarily throughout their entire literate lives. They just come here to shitpost.

Just ignore them like the rest of us do. A few shitposters does not equate qn entire general.

>> No.13272771

>>13272705
Just read Sanderson and you'll understand why it's treated like garbage. It's like the bible, reading it is the best way to realise what garbage it is.

>> No.13272806

>>13266638
>Rothfuss is a spineless faggot who genuinely thinks being a woman being a literal whore means that she's a good and "powerful" female character and that true love is being freindzoned while watching the girl you love get railed by a different guy every week. I'll never understand how this series got popular.

The same way your typical dogshit teen fantasy with a main character you want to fucking slap gets popular. He found target audience who self-inserts as his MC.

Besides, the line of thought is not exactly unique, even if most writers do not express it to this extent. See, for example, The Dresden Files, where MC thinks that if a female character friendzones him while fucking badboys (in case you may think I'm using buzzwords, no, I'm literal) that actually means she cares and does not want to hurt him through relationship which may gone wrong.

>> No.13272833

>>13272705
>all his novels seem to be rated pretty high on Goodreads
Which indicate that they are popular, not that they are good. This thread is actually quite diverse, with people that like Sanderson and those who dislike him. I personally dislike Sanderson because he's not actually a good writer, his claim to fame is his worldbuilding (you'll notice that most reviews praise his magic systems and intricate worlds, not his stories and ideas). I also don't think his rigid magic systems have any place in books, they would fit way better in vidya or board games.

>> No.13272840
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Why is the Malazan Series so rarely discussed here?

It's not as bad as I thought it would be.

>> No.13272844

>>13272704
> GRI APPROVED
are you 12?

>> No.13272847

>>13268458
It will be about as bad as the first book (mediocre, IMO) for two more books, and then will turn to absolute shit.

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>>13272840
I don't want to discuss it because I've "only" read 4 of them. They're alright.

>> No.13272887

>>13272705
Sanderson has a lot of good ideas. Sadly he writes in an insufferable and immature way.

His magic Systems are OK too, but not to the point that it looks like he's writing a PhD thesis about them.

>> No.13272925

>>13270251
Basically avoid everything notable which was written or started to be written in the last 20 years, except maybe Abercrombie's books (and then only if you like grimdark and nihilism and endless self-reflection of XXI century hipsters who pretend to be quasi-medieval characters).

Read Moorcock. While most people seem to prefer the Elric saga, I'd recommend Hawkmoon and Corum cycles more. Do note that while each cycle is 6 books, they are very concise and may take less pages togehter than an average fantasy doorstopper of nowadays.

IF you like dark and gritty books, read the first three volules of Glen Cook's Black Company cycle. Read the rest at your own peril, quality nosedives after that point just as page count skyrockets.

Read Poul Anderson's Broken Sword for a literal saga, or at least the closest equivalent in fantasy.

If you want less grimdark and more wacky bu epic high fantasy adventures, Weiss&Hickman "Dragons of..." trilogy is pretty fine. It is another story with awful sequels, though.

Le Guin's "Wizard of Earthsea" may be worth your attention. Only the first book is great, IMO, but many like the entire first trilogy. The newest sequel is trash.

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>>13272925
>except maybe Abercrombie's books
That's right, suggest the guy who hasn't figured out how to move a plot. A lot of gum-sucking and not much else.

>> No.13272947

>>13272840
That depends on how bad you thought it would be, because it is still pretty damn bad. Maybe had it been written at the time when publishers usually told you to fuck off if you could not produce a reasonably self-contained story within 300 pages, it would have been good enough to discuss. But it hadn't and it isn't.

>> No.13272957

>>13272943
>That's right, suggest the guy who hasn't figured out how to move a plot.

Actually the greatest difference between Abercrombie and your typical modern fantasy writer is that Abercrombie does move a plot at a reasonable pace.

>> No.13273037

>>13272704
The Dark Avenger's Sidekick by John C. Wright. It's books 4-6 of his YA series, Moth and Cobweb. Books 1-3 were about a paladin, these are about a thief/rogue.

It's far better than it has any right to be. I'm enjoying it a lot, although the main character is an attractive young Japanese girl and it's honestly kind of impressive how much prose cheesecake JCW manages to wedge into the story without being too lewd.

>> No.13273074

>>13272957
Ok m8. What happened in book 2 then?

>> No.13273138

>>13273074
In book 2 Bayaz took his dupes, one of whom, as he knew (and said as much later) was a shapeshifting spy on the wild ride which purpose was to convince Khalul through said spy that he does not know the location of the demon nuke and therefore Khalul's army of magic cannibals can be unleashed with impunity. Particulary as at the same time the army of his puppet polity got dragged into a war in the north, leaving the road mostly open for mundane legions of Khalul's puppet policy. On the road the dupes try to deal with their various personal shortcomings and fail because muh nihilism. Meanwhile Glockta is trying to fight off Khalul's preparatory moves without much success and gets Bayaz' strings attached to him, while also getting into confrontational position with the head of the Inquisition.

>> No.13273234

>>13272844
>12 year olds started the gri meme in 2014
Okay.

>> No.13273277

Looking for books in the tone of Ghibli. No series, just single novels.
Means: bitter-sweet themes, happy endings, nothing too dark

>> No.13273281
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Kino.

>> No.13273294

>>13273281
Grow up

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>>13273281
Not Kino.

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>>13273307

>> No.13273369

>>13273307
>>13273314
What the fuck

>> No.13273430

>>13273307
>>13273314
Is that bleeding edge armor? Not that stupid movie shit they passed off as bleeding edge.

>> No.13273452

>>13273277
I cant think of anything that fits perfectly, but The Golem And The Jinni and A Green And Ancient Light fit

or, you could just read the originals of such Ghibli movies as Howl's Moving Castle or A Wizard Of Earthsea

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>>13273314
>>13273307
What the fuck

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>>13273314

>> No.13273522
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>>13273307
>>13273314
>try reading this:
https://eruthros.dreamwidth.org/333317.html
>to figure out what this faggot shit is
>the explanation is faggotier than the original fag shit

So I'm not saying that anybody should, like, go and read the current run of the Invincible Iron Man (written by Matt Fraction, art by Salvador Larroca) or anything, especially since most of it makes me eyeroll all over the place. I'm just saying: wow, Matt Fraction/Marvel, your kinks are showing.

Panels from #503 and #520 and #521; includes noncon-begging-a-bad-guy tropes and tentacles and mind control and torture and being a prisoner and omg how is marvel so racist villains and ableist terms and large images and spoilers. Because I find it really difficult to parse comics dialogue with every other word bolded like it is in the original, I've left that out.

So, first there was this, from #503, in which - for Reasons - Tony Stark is trying to disarm a nuclear bomb that Doc Ock has planted, but Doc Ock keeps distracting him:

And then this month there is this, in which - for Reasons - okay, you know what, the plot doesn't make any sense and it's so woobie Tony Stark that I can't deal, plus the choice of villains makes me cranky (why do they keep bringing back the Mandarin why oh wait it's because they're racist assholes).

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What does /sffg/ think of The Dagger and the Coin?
>ywn devirginize a shy, delicate Cinnae gf

>> No.13273686

>>13272840
I'm sorry anon but I find the characters very uninteresting and drab, and the plot plodding. The mythology and worldbuilding is adequate, but it's just not a good serie.

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>>13273680
I don't know what that is but I really REALLY don't enjoy sff with lots of races. I only like humans to be honest, and if there is another race, they should be derivatives of humans.
Aside from tolkien, nobody has done races well. Debate me on this.

>> No.13273720

>>13273699
Races are actually all derivatives of human here. Think evolution over a long period of time to adapt to different sorts of settings. Artist is a furfag who couldn't control himself.
Malazan kind of did an alright job with the races, despite its other flaws.

>> No.13273750
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Holy shit. Matheson is one of the most amazing storytellers i've never heard about. If not THE best.

>> No.13273804

>>13273750
Sell me on him.

>> No.13273940

>>13271080
The only good female authored fantasy is cs friedmans coldfire series. Gerald Tarrant is based af

>> No.13274092

>>13273804
Twilight zone, but literature.
Hugely influencial guy, you probably already know a few of his stories without knowing it was him, and the writing is simply splendid.
Impeccable.

>> No.13274103

>>13274092
ok Richard

>> No.13274125

>>13274103
I cant describe what it is, but he is amazing. Im going to be gushing about him for a while.

>> No.13274181

>>13274103
Call me dick

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Do you guys like The Talisman? It's underrated in my opinion.

>> No.13274306

>>13274259
The name of the book is clearly peter straub

>> No.13274360

I'm looking for Science Fiction adventure stories. It doesn't have to be a grand adventure where the whole galaxy is on the line.

>> No.13274538

I have just started reading the First Law trilogy.

This might be the first fantasy book I have read where I feel I could write better than this.

I might start writing now. Thanks /lit/!

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>>13274360
Terminal World - Reynolds

>> No.13274809

>>13274360
Undying Mercenaries
The Sword of Rhiannon

>> No.13274836

I've read Roadside Picnic, Hard to Be a God and just finished The Doomed City (fucking baboons man). Where do I go next with the Strugatskys? Have anyone read any of their earlier works? After The Doomed City I feel like it would be interesting to read something that was written during a time when they were less disillusioned about the Soviet Union.

>> No.13275182

I just got done with Oathbringer and hated each book of Stormlight Archive more than the last. I am done with Sanderson. His dialogue and forced romances are so irritating in otherwise good world building and stories. Can anyone recommend some good high fantasy? Something long that will make a good audiobook to listen to while at work.

>> No.13275188

>>13274538
Reddit loves this trilogy. Is it really that poorly written?

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Well, it's been out a while now so i'm assuming some people here have read it, how is it?

>> No.13275211

I'm halfway through Dune and I have a question about lasguns and shields. Am I correct in assuming that if a lasgun is fired at a shield, it causes a nuclear explosion? If that's the case, and the Atreides house is surrounded by shields, why wouldn't a single Harkonnen agent (or anyone really) fire a lasgun at the house and reduce it all to rubble?

>> No.13275213

>>13275195
I don't read books written by women.

>> No.13275289

what book like dark souls

>> No.13275309

Warhammer

>> No.13275321

>>13275309
more like borehammer

>> No.13275323

Die heretic

>> No.13275332

>>13275213
Don`t worry, someone will date you one day.

>> No.13275419

>>13275332
not with an attitude like his. on the bright side he is taking his genes out of the pool for the good of humanity.

>> No.13275453

>>13275289
In terms of piecing together the more yourself? At the risk sounding like a meme, I genuinely recommend Book of the New Sun. I found that book (series) by googling your same question and it's one of the best things I've ever read.

>> No.13275458

>>13275453
*lore

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Is this book as bad as they say?

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This is Reddit's top 20 fantasy novels/series when they did a poll last year. How good is this list?

>> No.13275606

>>13275211
You're correct, and it's a pretty dumb concept desu. Was the Atreides house shielded? I thought maybe it wasn't for that exact reason -- either way, you need to understand that the point isn't to make any sense but just to make sure that combat required the use of the noble blade.

>> No.13275615

>>13275565
no

>> No.13275623

>>13275211
Yep this is indeed an unresolved plot hole or at least setting inconsistency

I'm autistic so I used to try to strain to find reasons why it makes sense that nobody is using miniaturized laser/shield bombs to have infinite nukes on demand.

>> No.13275631

Can anyone suggest a post-apocalyptic fantasy? I just got through the Misborn trilogy and I enjoyed the concept but disliked the Sanderson faggotry.

>> No.13275654

>>13275565
I wonder how much of the ASOIAF votes were just joke votes.

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>>13275565
The fact that Wolfe is missing from the list is telling in and of itself. Absolute garbage list.

>> No.13275662

Is the Xeelee Sequence any good?

>> No.13275679

>>13275656
Book of the New Sun is ranked 65 on that list.

>> No.13275683

>>13275662
Read Vacuum Diagrams and see if you like it.

>> No.13275708

can someone recommend me a good military scifi book?

>> No.13275716

>>13273750
Got nothing on Charles Beaumont.

>> No.13275719

>>13275631
Library at mount char.

>> No.13275721

>>13275708
Heroic or cynical? Entry-level or more obscure?

>> No.13275774

>>13275565
>Dresden Files

It's literally the same story written 20 times over again and again. How anyone let Jim Butcher get away with it is beyond me

>> No.13275842

>>13275615
>>13275654
>>13275656
>>13275774
well seeing as how its a list on popularity and not quality...

>> No.13275843

>>13275631
I just finished the first Mistborn book and it's my first time reading anything from Sanderson. I really liked it. Is the Sanderson faggotry I see mentioned now and then about his sort of anime-ish (sorry, can't think of a better word) tendencies? I can understand that. Like Kelsier smiling during fights. The Allomancy fights reminded me of video games too, though that didn't bother me. Actually, it made me want to replay Dishonored. I'm also kind of endeared with how much Sanderson seems to enjoy writing it. Apparently he put out the first trilogy between 2006 and 2008. That's pretty cool. Is he like this with his other series?

>> No.13275895

>>13275631
Prince of nothing.

>> No.13275911

>>13275895
Hi, Scott

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>>13275565
>Kingkiller Chronicle on the list, let alone that high up

>> No.13275914

>>13275843
I just hate his character dialogue and their lame quips. Also he has to force shitty romance into all of his series.

>> No.13276117

>>13275843
I finished mistborn last month and about to finish the 6th book. so far they have all had that anime-ness. his characters are pretty weak, and the plots arnt that unique, but the world building in the first three were great and okay in the second three. but somehow they are still enjoyable to read. im not sure what it is since none of the individual parts seem to be that great.

>> No.13276191

Can you write something cliche and already done, that isn't original at all, and have it still be good?

>> No.13276200

>>13276191
yes

>> No.13276209

>>13276191
yes

>> No.13276226

>>13276191
There was a dude with a light sword, who was destined to be the next space wizard.

So he and his talking trashcan met an older dude who knew his dad, who was a super awesome space wizard. Turns out the trashcan was owned by a princess and was looking for the old dude because he also used to be a pretty good space wizard.

>> No.13276235

>>13276191
I have read the worst shit from people trying to be original.

>> No.13276238

>>13275662
no

>> No.13276241

>>13275708
star force

>> No.13276249

>>13276226
Thank you

>> No.13276374

>>13276191
Yes; so long as it isn't epic fantasy because we've had enough of that bullshit.

>> No.13276382

>>13276374
>epic fantasy because we've had enough of that bullshi
please get an education

>> No.13276417

>>13276382
See >>13275332

>> No.13276436

>>13276417
see >>13273294

>> No.13276455

>>13276436
See >>13274181

>> No.13276459

>>13275419
We should all take our genes out of the pool
No more people

>> No.13276496

>>13276459
yikes

>> No.13276499

>>13276459
Nah, my wife wants to have a kid(s).

>> No.13276520

/sffg/, I want to be a writer but I never learned how to force myself how to write. Sometimes, it's just impossible for me to type anything without deleting it midway through. I just run out of will mid-sentence

>> No.13276521

>>13276499
yikes

>> No.13276526

>>13276520
dont delete it and just keep going to an end. then go back and edit

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>not one person has posted Callahan's Cross Time Saloon
fucking amateurs

>> No.13276538

>>13276526
honestly, on these days (most days) I don't even get near a text editor. 4chan alone is hard enough

>> No.13276542

>>13276538
youre doing pretty good right now anon.

>> No.13276551

>>13276542
short posts are easy. a greentext where I described my dnd game today was impossible. I gave up twice

>> No.13276590

>>13275565
>Kingcuck Chronicle in the third fucking place
>Sanderson the mediocre taking two fucking places, while not only, say, Poul Anderson and Glen Cook, but even titanically popular and influential authors like and Howard and Moorcock are absent from the list
>Wheel of Boredom and Malazan Book of Boredom anywhere in the ranking
>Six literally whos above Dune

It is like they wanted to prove they have shit tasted.

>> No.13276595

Getting started with Jemisin's Dreamblood series and holy fuck is this women some kind of crypto-hotep or am I reading too much into things?

>> No.13276612

>>13276595
Ok maybe I was a little hasty. Disregard that, I'm gay and dumb.

>> No.13276616

>>13276595
She’s really into that shit, not even subtle about it. That said, please look forward to her new series about woke young Brooklynites dabbing all over racist evil H.P. Lovecraft and all his works!

>> No.13276630

>>13275774
>It's literally the same story written 20 times over again and again.

Of all the possible critiques this is the dumbest. When you set to read a series of detective novels, what are you supposed to expect but 20 books of solving cases?

>> No.13276635

>>13273037
>John C. Wright

For an obsure author he is incredibly good, one of the few writers with real imagination nowadays.

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>>13276635
>>13273037
Hi John

>> No.13276672

>>13271113
Please. As if being dragged out isn't an endemic problem in fantasy franchises

>> No.13276679

>>13271113
>guess you dont think about what you read.

I'm aftaid this is the case of the author not thingking about what he writes, instead.

>> No.13276719

>>13272080
Read the first couple books. It was okay. Easy reading. Story and character development are passable but not great. Where Sanderson shines are his unique and creative worldbuilding concepts. Nobody can say he's not exceptional in that way. There's a too much mary sue reddity pandering in there for my taste (women shmart!), but there's worse.

>> No.13276725

>>13273281
>Sarah
Idk man... I mean it's not impossible

>> No.13276742

>>13275565
>Martin above Tolkien
It surprises me they respect Tolkien at all, let alone primarily.

>Dresden Files
Uninspired rubbish. For fuck's sake

>> No.13276749

>>13275656
BotNS was interesting scifi, and very unique, but I felt it was overhyped as a story. The essential character arc ran out of juice when MC let the waifu die and left the guild

>> No.13276756

>>13276630
I'd be interested to hear a better one. I made it through a few of those McNovels before I got sick of the cringey, falsely humble moral grandstanding surrounding Dresden. When I saw Butcher was going to try and drag out the formula with a >muh dark power >muh pain arc, I decided I'd had enough

>> No.13276773

>>13275213
>>13275213
>>13275332
It's not unreasonable to be at least a little dubious of women in general taking up the mantle of a genre that has, since its inception, been an essentially male form of entertainment. Would you reflexively attack a woman's personal value for her being skeptical of a man taking on the mantle of a leading, representative role in advocating feminist thought?

It's not impossible, either way, but the simple fact is that men and women are fundamentally distinct creatures. Different doesn't mean unequal. We don't all have to be identical- "exactly equal in every way"

>> No.13276823

>>13276756
>I'd be interested to hear a better one.

As you wish.

The series only makes any sort of narrative sense as a Chronicle of Dark Lord Dresden's Early Years. Basically as soon as he is offered evil powers in a convenient package Harry goes full drug addict, with the same "I'm still in control" mantra. Sometimes he/the text phrase it as "I will be okay as long as I follow my heart". Even though anyone who is not interested in a permanent stay in the lake of fire (or even a temporary stay in jailhouse) knows that following one's heart is the worst possible thing to do when facing a temptation.

But Harry gets away scott free with everything, because he's the MC, mafia bosses, ancient vampires and literal demons from hell are apparently unfamiliar with the concepts of lying and double dealing, and the whole deal with the muh dark power, muh threat of corruption only exists in the series so that the readers will have easier time swallowing the fact that the whole series is just a string of ass-pulled triumphs over foes half of whom should have been way beyond the MC's league and the MC getting power-ups. The author threatens bad consequences to conceal that, but never delivers said consequences (take note, I haven't read all of the series).

>> No.13276844

>>13276773
Or there is a simple fact, that the vast majority of women can't think of anything but who fucks whom, and therefore no matter the nominal genre, they write only romance novels, where relationships are the meat of the plot. There are a few exceptions, cases of genuine talent. But talent is rare. With a male hack writer I can at least expect some sort of the story in the same genre is advertized, a female hack writers will write romance/softcore porn and put "fantasy" label on it.

>> No.13276858

>>13276823
To its credit, that kind of archetype inversion does sound more interesting than what I'd been expecting based on the 5 or 6 books I'd read so far. Probably not going to pick it up again though. The characterization in those first numerous books were just so insufferably self righteous. It wouldn't surprise me if Butcher's sudden addition of new depth to the character didn't reach deep enough to scoop up that subject

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>>13276844
>the vast majority of women can't think of anything but who fucks whom
That probably applies to men, as well. You're probably projecting here. Which is why the anti virgin narrative has stuck in popular culture like it has. You're a vulnerable, predictable, easily provoked demographic that serves as a convenient villain for the current globalist narrative development. You and your peers are the boogeyman that will be used to distract the population from realizing the banks and corporations are replacing and impoverishing them with 3rd world immigration. Amazing, how that works. And how well it has. Goyim never learn

>> No.13276949

>>13276865
>accuses others of projecting when xe xerself is projecting like a motherfucker

>> No.13276959

>>13276949
Meme politics have melted your fucking brain

>> No.13276965

>>13276616
Is this real?

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>>13275565
>you share God's good Earth with people like this

>> No.13277000

>>13275565
You know, at least the litrpg fags know what they're reading is shit and aknowledge that.
The retards over at r/fantasy seem to be on that next level of stupid. The special kind that you only achieve by disassociating with reality.

>> No.13277010

>>13276959
Your ugly face melted my brain.

>> No.13277095

>>13275195
I'll probably read it before the end of summer, will return with an opinion.

>> No.13277106

>>13275565
It's not really surprising as that is basically a list of the most popular contemporary fantasy writers/series, with some classics among them. As you can probably guess a list based only on popularity is not a really good list when it comes to quality.

>> No.13277221

>>13277010
Your ugly trench coat and brown rucksack

>> No.13277295

>>13276949
God help your soul lad

>> No.13277315

>>13277295
I don't know what a 'soul lad' is.

>> No.13277327

>>13277000
The r#bbit community somehow always manages to be a kind of uniquely grotesque contortion of the human condition. This website is filled with the ugly scum of humanity, but delusional is a great way to begin to describe whatever the FUCK is wrong with those people. "Next level" is exactly the phrase. It's an utter zoo over there, an exhibit of alien insanity.

>> No.13277331
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>>13277315

>> No.13277399

I always thought the tavern from the opening pages of Dragonlance was the coziest

>> No.13277454

>>13276590
I wish I could extinct you dinofags. Moorecock and Howard are shit. Dune is dated as fuck.
Please tell us what you read this year that isn't your 6th reread of conan, elric, dune, legend, and dune?

>> No.13277458

>>13276616
Can't wait!

>> No.13277459

Shadow of the Torturer was severely overrated. Prose is impressive, but there is basically no plot. Characters are kind of boring too.

>> No.13277468

>>13276756
So you read a few books and spoke for an entire series?

>> No.13277510

>>13276742
>Dresden Files Uninspired rubbish
After Anita Blake, Dresden Files helped spawn a new genre. Do you know how many Dresden clones there are? How many people to this day, still copy Jim Butcher?
Do us a favor and take your Tolkien loving shit tastes and do the mid air jig from a tree.

>> No.13277525

>>13276865
>pol can't contain themselves and are finding parallels with fantasy and world government
Rent free space

>> No.13277532

>>13277454
If people got paid for having shit taste, you would be a billionaire.

>Please tell us what you read this year

- Heroes of the Valley, Jonathan Stroud
- Consider Phlebias, Iain Banks
- Blood Song, Anthony Ryan
- both Throne of the Caears books by Harry Sidebottom
- The Fellowship of the Talisman, Clifford Simak
- Bunch of chinkshit fantasy mostly to see for myself whether all of it is unreadable in the book form. It was. Then again, every single fantasy books among the list above also sucked.

>> No.13277536

>>13277510
>After Anita Blake, Dresden Files helped spawn a new genre.

Softcore porn mixed with cuck fantasies?

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>>13277454
>I wish I could extinct you dinofags. Moorecock and Howard are shit. Dune is dated as fuck.
>Please tell us what you read this year that isn't your 6th reread of conan, elric, dune, legend, and dune?

>> No.13277574

>>13277454
Dune is awesome. Perhaps you’re overfagging from lack of balls in your face. Go read harry potter

>> No.13277585

>>13277545
Nice rebuttal!

>> No.13277587

>>13277574
>i reread all dune books every year then come in sffg like my opinion means shit
Kys

>> No.13277590

>>13277454
I don't understand how people enjoy pulp trash like that.

>> No.13277592

>>13277536
Early Anita Blake was good. It's the books after 7 that's trash.

>> No.13277606

>>13277590
Me neither. What these old books lovers fail to realize is that conan, grey fagger and other pulp trash were looked down upon back in the day, like how they look down on books people love today.

>> No.13277617

>>13277606
I actually tried reading some Conan stories once, and it was insufferable. What it reminded me of was old comic books, if you've ever read any from the "Golden Age," where it's just some banal story with no depth or meaning to it. Title character + random cardboard side character + adventure plot. Cheat crap some hack shat out for a magazine that retards in the 1930s would buy.

>> No.13277634

>2019
>being on an anime imageboard where books are judged based on whether they have gay rape or incest and pretending you have objectively good taste
>accusing anyone who disagrees with you of having basic human decency

whew lads

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>>13277585
>>13277590
>>13277606
>>13277617

>> No.13277662

>>13277587
See that? Overfagging.

>> No.13277663

>>13277652
I hate women more than I hate Conan, if that makes you feel better.

>> No.13277690

>>13277617
>I actually tried reading some Conan stories once, and it was insufferable. What it reminded me of was old comic books, if you've ever read any from the "Golden Age," where it's just some banal story with no depth or meaning to it.

So, exact same as a typical modern fantasy saga (feel free to try and fail to disprove me by posting examples). Except on 30 pages instead of 3000 and generally with so much better mastery of the medium it is insane.

>> No.13277714

>>13277690
>Implying that I don't also dislike the "typical modern fantasy saga"
That being said, at least those books are capable of having legitimate characters that the reader can invest in.

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Lads, has anyone read this? I know it's probably shit and reading it would be a mistake but the cover is just soooo COZY.
I think I'm going to try it out just on the off chance that the book really does have that feel and report back.

>> No.13277725

>>13277714
>That being said, at least those books are capable of having legitimate characters that the reader can invest in.

Such as?

>> No.13277731

>>13277725
I don't care to try giving you examples of characters in books I don't like to begin with.

>> No.13277733

>>13277662
Have sex.

>> No.13277737

>>13277617
>depth
>meaning
>>>/lit/

>> No.13277746

>>13277737
Sorry, I forgot that the fantasy genre cannot be used for anything other than silly trash. What a foolish mistake.

>> No.13277748

>>13277731
Okay.

What fantasy books you do like and why?

>> No.13277749

>>13276635
I wish he'd stop spending all his time on podcasting and writing that stupid dinosaur serial. He last released a Moth & Cobweb book in 2017.

>> No.13277751

Daily reminder that Kane is a cuck.

>> No.13277759

>>13277737
You use that Sanderson and others has the depth of a piss puddle on a toilet seat, and now you are playing holier than thou when the same is said of something you like?
I am not joking, kys. It's shits like you that shit up the general.

>> No.13277771

>>13277746
The problem isn't the books, it's you. If you want to read for enlightenment, fuck off and do it elsewhere so we can actually enjoy fiction.
>>13277759
You illiterate moron. I'm not upset that some faggot thinks some book I might like lacks depth. I'm telling him to fuck off if he thinks depth is a sensible measure of the value of a book.
Fiction is entertainment.

>> No.13277781

Are there any good super hero novels? Something like Miracleman or Alan Moore in general (my understanding is his novels aren't superhero themed)

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What advice does /sffg/ have for fledgling/wannabe-writers of SFF?

>> No.13277792

>>13277771
>The problem isn't the books, it's you. If you want to read for enlightenment, fuck off and do it elsewhere so we can actually enjoy fiction.
It's unfortunate that you think those things are mutually exclusive.

>> No.13277801

>>13277532
I'm reading Consider Phlebas now and so far I'm digging it. Why are people so split about it? It's my first Banks.

>> No.13277803

>>13277771
I learnt so much from the thousands of fantasy and scifi books I read. They are not only for entertainment. They are also used to tell of current conditions like Russian scifi of old.
Or Chinese fixation on sex, because they one child per family backfired when people aborted girls in hopes of getting a boy, now China is a sausage fest, and foreigners are taking their women too.

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>>13277790

>> No.13277815

>>13277790
Lern how to do structure, characters, plot BEFORE you start writing your novel. Also Fantasy and SciFi are just settings NOT genre. Learn the difference.

>> No.13277854

>>13277792
You still miss the point that the problem is you, not books.
I hope you're embarrassed that despite your focus on textual meaning you can't even understand straightforward English.
>>13277803
Good for you.

>> No.13277861

>>13277715
I read it last autumn and while I doubt it will join the western canon it's not shit. It handled the whole girl coming of age story thing fine, there was a brief pseudo romance with a dark and mysterious frost demon that was somewhat tacky but it was over quite fast. There is a heavy focus on slavic folklore (the book include a several pages long afterword explaining why the author used certain words and translations) and the story reads like a fairy tale.

>>13277737
>retard posters
Begone

>> No.13277888

>>13277854
>I hope you're embarrassed
I feel embarrassed for you, yes.

>> No.13277890

>>13277733
Tell me what corner your mom works and I’ll get a shiny nickel from the dresser.

>> No.13277904

OP's image just made me realize I've never read any fantasy (outside LOTR) with all the classic tropes of people hanging out in a tavern, there being an elf in the main group of protagonists, and an elderly wizard, etc.

Is there any fantasy that's actually done this kind of thing well, or does it all fall into the trap of literally trying to be Tolkien?

>> No.13277913

>>13277790
Only write if you can't do otherwise, don't entertain any hope of earning your living with it. Supply exceeds demand massively in this market.

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>>13277790
You need to have everything ironed out before you start. You need to have a decisive roadmap so you know where your going and how you’re going to get there. Believe me, I hear too many people at conventions and writers groups who talk about how they “don’t know how to end it”. It’s a finish line not a treasure hunt. Add all the dragons and androids you like but that stuff is just window dressing

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Wandering Inn

Girls get ported into another world, shacks up in an abandoned inn and eventually starts running the place.

It turns into a hangout frequented by various non human races, including lizard/dragon people, ant people, dog people, elves, dwarves, goblins and at one point even a minotaur. There's also an undead skeleton barmaid.

>> No.13277944

fug, forgot to quote.
>>13277904
see >>13277939

>> No.13277948

>>13277939
does the Minotaur fuck the girl, this is VERY important

>> No.13277954

Is there any other sci-fi as simultaneously grimy, sex-drugs-rock-and-roll, depraved and violent, and simultaneously heartfelt as Vurt?

>> No.13277962

>>13277948
Even better. The MC is a virgin and stays pure.

The minotaur does go mad at one point and almost rapes the elf but she guilts him into not doing it and he just ends up fucking a slave dog girl.

>> No.13277966

>>13277962
as long as SOMEONE is getting fucked by the Minotaur I'm in

>> No.13277970

>>13277939
>the first volume alone is 1158 pages long
Jesus fuck, what is this bullshit?

>> No.13277988

>>13277970
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that it's also retardedly long; ~4 million words and still going with no end in sight.
That's a good and a bad thing imo, on one hand if you like it; it's a fantastic never ending world to get lost in, on the other hand you're likely never getting a conclusion, in fact there is no one story to get a conclusion to, it's a fragmented compilation of the adventures of a bunch of people who get ported into a fantasy world and most of them never meet each other.

>>13277966
There's little to no smut if that's your thing.

>> No.13278134

UP, UP, UP!

>>13278088
>>13278088
>>13278088
>>13278088
>>13278088

>> No.13278233

>>13277663
>Hates women
>Hates alpha males
>Loves gay rape
Read Prince of Nothing, anon

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>>13272947
>>13273686
>tfw Malazan is my favorite series

>> No.13278795

>>13277459
>Prose is impressive, but there is basically no plot. Characters are kind of boring too.
Welcome to the Gene Wolfe experience.

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