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Best philosophical texts regarding determinism

>> No.13253872

>>13253854
nietzsche if you specifically want something against religious determinism. sartre if you want a more general view that is often expressed rather eloquently and somewhat complicated (depending on what you choose read from him)

>> No.13253889

>>13253872
>nietzsche
http://nietzsche.holtof.com/reader/friedrich-nietzsche/the-gay-science/aphorism-127-quote_eb336e200.html

>> No.13253917

>>13253872
I'm looking for something about one's environment and the idea that input determines output.

>> No.13253928

>>13253917
Then you should read the sociologists

>> No.13253948

Just read physics textbooks.

>> No.13253954

>>13253854
Sam Harris

>> No.13253958

>>13253854
the prolegomena to my diary desu

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>>13253917
>In the social production of their existence, men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01.htm

>> No.13254041

The Quran
t. sandnigger

>> No.13254076

The universe isn't deterministic. See Bell's theorem and the experiments related to it.

>> No.13254548

It depends whether you want to explore determinism as a historical notion in philosophy or contemporary discussions on it. If the former, then read Aristotle's De Interpretatione.

When it comes to determinism as it stands now, there is a mistaken idea that Newtonian physics is deterministic and quantum mechanics is not, and so the universe is not, since QM is right and NP is wrong. This is a bad picture in two aspects - 1) determinism is a feature of the theory, not universe, so if you were to defend that our best theory really shows how the things are, so to speak, you would have to defend scientific realism. 2) Newtonian physics is not doubtlessly deterministic. QM is not doubtlessly indeterministic - there are consistent deterministic interpetations of it. Check out J. Butterfield, "Determinism" in REP.

>> No.13254554

>>13253854
Tolstoy has an essay on it in the end of War and Peace

>> No.13254569

>>13253854

Unironically Boethius. His treatment of God's foreknowledge is the definitive classical resolution to the problems this apparently entails.

All later philosophers inherit the Platonic distinction between eternity (timelessness) and sempiternity (everlastingness (in time)) which Boethius uses in his Consolation.

>> No.13254579

http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/menu/library/bycsp/necessity/Necessity.htm