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[Anonymous No.13250756]

Is logic and reason the same thing?

[Anonymous No.13250819]

>>13250756
No

[Anonymous No.13250832]

>>13250819
What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.13250843]

>>13250756
>Reason is an ability to think, to produce an argument that leads to a certain conclusion. Reason may or may not use (correct) logic. Logic is a method of reasoning that guarantees a correct conclusion, given the correctness of the assumptions and applying correct reasoning steps (they avoid fallacies)

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[Anonymous No.13250854]

>>13250832
Logic is an abstract set of rules that distinguish valid inferences from invalid ones and reason uses logic to make those inferences.

[Anonymous No.13250868]

>>13250756
Logic could be simply called the study of correct reasoning.

[Anonymous No.13250903]

>>13250832

If you mean how I would define them, I’d say reason is the ability to use logic and/or past experiences and knowledge, while logic is a field of thought, a framework (?, language barrier) concerned with determining what’s correct and what’s not by assigning values to e.g statements.

This is also pretty much what they taught me in “Logic and argumentation” class. Then we got into linguistic and literary theory where every 2nd theory seemed to use a different definition for both.
Thanks to littheory we got into aesthetics and that’s just gonna confuse you even more.

[Anonymous No.13250916]

>>13250832
Read Kant, then read Hegel to correct the bullshit you learned while reading Kant

[Anonymous No.13251118]

>>13250916
Then read Wittgenstein to BTFO of both of them.

[Anonymous No.13253138]

Logic is just linguistic math.
Reason, like the word's second meaning, needs reasons/values; what's reasonable is based on experience and human nature.

[Anonymous No.13253692]

logic = reason (ratio) = language = lógos

[Anonymous No.13253839]

>>13250756
Reason deals with the sense of proportion that logic by definition is numb to. One can be perfectly logical in going about the finances of a vineyard, but logic plays a negligible role in evaluating wines, or wine in general, or telling needs and wants apart on a kind of spectrum between survival and enjoyment. Reason has much more to do with connotation and inference, while logic has more to do with denotation and deduction.

[Anonymous No.13253956]

>>13250832
Reason is any process by which one makes a conclusion from information. It can be in the form of deductive reasoning, inductive reasoning, abductive reasoning, analogical reasoning, mathematical reasoning, spatial reasoning, etc and so forth. It's just any thinking you do to "figure something out." When you get down to it, it's a descriptive term rather than prescriptive. One may reason badly or well.
Logic is objective. It doesn't try to refer to a process we actually use but is based on abstract principles. Classical logic is principally concerned with seperating valid inferences from invalid inferences. There are expanded mathematically defined systems of logic, such as fuzzy logic or modal logic, which attempt to expand how arguments can be evaluated.
Logic overall is an attempt to use abstract principles to prescribe what good reasoning should be like, or at least what it should be consistent with.

[Anonymous No.13253964]

>>13253956
>Logic overall is an attempt to use abstract principles to prescribe what good reasoning should be like, or at least what it should be consistent with.
To add, this is why the phrase "bad logic" irks me. Logic is the standard of good reasoning. It thus is strange to refer to one as bad, unless perhaps when you're talking you're criticising a specific formulation of it like paraconsistent logic. People should really say "that's bad reasoning" instead, but hey, philosophical usage of words and lay use will always differ.