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What does /lit/ think of this book?

>> No.13229573

normalizes adultery, 0/10

>> No.13229582

top 10 incel literature

>> No.13229597

>>13229573
>normalizes adultery

Not quite, friend. If anything, it casts a dim light on adulterers, showing how far one falls pursuing a life of depravity.

>> No.13229598

>>13229558
Sad. The innocent man is a dunce and simpleton. The whore is pushed to cuck by decadence. The man who ought to pussy foots, and the son of a bitch who could care less is given every pass to as he pleases. Absolutely worthless existences, the book is great because Flaubert is a genius writer and does things with language that are mesmerizing. He’s like the gaspar noe of the 18th century novella. It’s a very bleak story, everybody loses.

>> No.13229603

>>13229558
Its techniques and ideas are objectively excellently made. However, I cannot honestly enjoy its drab and nihilistic world.

>> No.13229740

>>13229573
Adultery has invariably occurred throughout history.

>> No.13230195

>>13229558
My friend is coming back to Wisconsin from Australia, he's halfway through it and loves it. Said he'll loan it to me when he's done. I'm looking forward to it.

>> No.13230381

>>13229558
Expose the true nature of the woman

>> No.13230573

>>13230381

Incel please go

>> No.13230613

>>13230573
He said nothing wrong

>> No.13230660

>>13229558
Don't care about its plot that much but the style alone makes it a 10/10. Probably one of my favourite books ever desu

>> No.13230695

Ridiculously good, although exceeded by Anna Karenina

>> No.13230731

>>13230695
What way AK is superior?

>> No.13230973

Are women really this desperate for romanticized love?

>> No.13231117

>>13230573
Have kids.

>> No.13231222

>>13229582
Is there an incel chart anyone can post?

>> No.13231468

Realistically it's an all time top 5 novel. But, alas, it involves a woman and her emotions, so I can't bring myself to enjoy or recommend it

>> No.13231483

>>13231468
Be glad it was written, anon. Gustave wrote it as a warning to all men. Beware the female, for she cannot be trusted.

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>>13231483
Think the book is also saying men can't be trusted either.

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>>13231500
Depending on the guy, I suppose. If anything, women can’t trust chads like Rodolphe Boulanger

>> No.13231700

>>13231530
I fuckin love Arthur so much

>> No.13231703

>>13231530
Nobody is a Chad in that book

>> No.13231709

>>13231703
>who is Rodolphe

He literally slays pussy without remorse.

>> No.13231722

>>13229573
After its publication, the christcuck French government flipped its shit and put Flaubert on trial for obscenity, using literally the same rationale 'muh normalization of adultery'

>> No.13231728

>>13231530
She can't trust her husband either. He marries her, then neglects her

>> No.13231733

>>13230660
There is no style.

>> No.13231748

>>13231728
>neglects her

Want to know how I can tell you’re a woman? Bovary literally provides as much as he can for his family. He even uplifts his established career to move to a bigger town because his wife grew bored living in a small village. Not only that, Bovary puts up with all his wife’s bullshit and materialism. He unconditionally loves his wife and daughter. More, Madame Bovary was a terrible wife, but, most importantly, a terrible, abusive mother.

>> No.13231754

>>13231709
>without remorse

Did u finish the book?

>> No.13231759

>>13231733
>The book was discussed on 4channel. There was no style.
This is lit style at its best.

>> No.13231762

>>13231748
This. Abusive, spoiled, and cringey

>> No.13231768

>>13231754
Rodolphe didn’t give two fucks for Madame Bovary. The only reason that might appear to be so is because Madame Bovary intrudes on his life again toward the end of the novel. It is even written that Rodolphe was put off when Madame Bovary asked him for money. More, Rodolphe may have—I emphasize may have—felt bad only because he was found out by Bovary, who ultimately didn’t reprimand him, cuck that he is.

>> No.13231789

>>13229558
On a technical level it's very good, but I think Zola's tactic of making the sin more appealing at the beginning is the better decision.

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>>13231722
pretty based, adultery should carry the death sentence, and throughout much of history did. one has to ask why people thought it necessary, and when I ask, I like the answer. maybe you're just a faggot and/or adulterer who should be stoned to death. who knows, that's the fun.

>> No.13231818

>>13231748
She did beat her daughter once for no reason, didn't see? I also loved how in her deathbed she asked to have her child put in front of her and demanded instead a mirror to look herself at; what a narcissistic piece of shit Emma was.

>> No.13231824

>>13231748
None of that means her husband didn't neglect her, which he did. It's in the book

>> No.13231828

>>13229558
Read it last year.
Fuck the cunt, she got a poetic end and flaubert deserves praise only for that.
Apparently, it was very influential to faulkner and woolf, two of my favourites, thus even more praise to flaubert.
Also, it is great how he makes such an intense story seem so dull, and de-romanticizes romance and its repercussions.

>> No.13231839

>>13231824
Emma had unrealistic expectations, though. Bovary neglected his wife only in the eyes of Emma—and yours, evidently. It is even written in the book that Emma grew bored with her adulterous pursuits.

>> No.13231840

>>13231824
What else did she fucking want?
i'm not an incel but some people, in this case a woman, have this unreal expectations of life that they read or see in television that make no fucking sense.
Do you think 5,000 years ago women have these problems of neglect?
To them it was actual real neglect like the nigga not bringing food or providing shelter, which bovary did and pretty well.

>> No.13231864

>>13231768
That’s a sad reading. Read the book again and realize that Bovary is the real Chad of the story. It begins with him and ends with him. Along the way he has to put up with these so called “humans” as they wreck they’re own life and everyone else’s. But not Bovary. He was true to himself through and through. Loyal, providing and merciful. Out of everyone he comes out strongest. Bovary is a God and Flaubert knew this. Focusing on Madame Bovary was Flaubert's way of saying to his readers- I know the sort you lot are, so here’s your cake, only I’m not gonna sugar coat it for you. Flaubert is a genius and it’s obvious from the very beginning that he was very sympathetic to Bovary.

>> No.13231868

>>13231839
>>13231840
He completely disregards her emotional needs, and treats her like a child. Merely having a bourgeois profession is not sufficient, that's the minimum she should expect from marrying a doctor. To actually qualify as a good man, and a good husband, you have to do more than just turn up at the job you already had and expect her to be happy.
If you think Bovary is a good husband you have misread the book, and God help anyone who gets into a relationship with you

>> No.13231871

>>13231818
This

>> No.13231888

>>13231868
He did everything, everything he could to satisfy her. He even tried to execute a new medical procedure just because he knew that if he succeeded she'd be happy.

>> No.13231892

>>13231818
*have her child pulled away from her
Sorry.

>> No.13231897

>>13231864
>Bovary
>Chad

Bovary’s a literal cuck. He’s oblivious to his wife interactions with other men that take place right under his nose. More, he dies of a broken heart. Chads do not let their women cheat on them, nor do they allow women to make them suffer. Try again.

>> No.13231903

>>13231733
style=/=number of metaphors per page

>> No.13231905

>>13231868
Bitch, please, what the fuck should he have done to please her more?
I mean the nigga was a loser from the beginning, so he was kind of fighting above his weight, but that is the only thing that a man owes a woman in a relationship. Everything else is a spook, and as >>13231864 said, bovary is chad that has no time for that shit.

>> No.13231908

>>13231897
Right and Leopoldo Bloom is an idiot too because he lets his wife get bucked by that singer. Grow the fuck the up

>> No.13231913

>>13231905
>>13231888
>when r9k gets into classics
yikes

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>>13231913
>when a woman gets into the classics

>> No.13231934

>>13231888
>>13231905
What did he do to satisfy her other than 'not quit his job'? As stated, he already had that job, it's a bare minimum he agreed to when he married her.
He makes no attempt to deal with her emotional needs. He seems to have thought he could just get married and have her there without having to do any of the emotional labor a marriage requires.
He's objectively a bad, lazy, partner

>> No.13231935

>>13231922
Kek

>> No.13231943

>>13231934
>emotional needs

this is a spook that serves no benefit to the survival/adaptation/progress of the human race, thus invalid and pointless. Try again.

>> No.13231945

>>13231934
>>13231897
>>13231868
>>13231824

What’s crazy is that Flaubert knew people would read it like this. Guy is fucking brilliant. You idiots need to read the book again and pick up the NUANCE and SUBTLETIES of the way in which he writes around the characters. It’s so fucking obvious that none of you know how to read outside of picking up the plot

>> No.13231965

>>13231945
>muh nuances

Nice cope, retard. There is no underlying meaning to Bovary’s cuckoldry. This novel serves as a warning to all men on how fickle and childish women’s romantic whims are. Fuck off.

>> No.13231975

>>13231965
>>13231943
t. has never had a gf
>>13231945
Nigga are you suggesting I should give a fuck about Flaubert's intentions?

>> No.13231991

>>13231975
Lol I’m just sayin that the authors intention should be obvious to those who know how to read

>> No.13232024

>>13231975
A woman will never respect you until you assume the compromise as your forefathers did to your foremothers.
Flaubert uses the plot to show the consequences of decadence/hedonism in a nuclear family, but it can be translated to society as a whole.
What makes the novel so witty is his use of language to write such descriptive settings, and make the romantic converstions so dull/boring/short. Maybe he was trying to express his thought that romanticism is a spook, thus it is non-existing, and not worthwhile to be pursued.

>> No.13232041

>>13231945
Even though he's doing that indirect Austen trick, it's still clear Bovary is a neglectful husband

>> No.13232081

>>13232024
I once read that Flaubert was to romantic novels what Cervantes was to cavalry novels; I am inclined to agree with you to a certain degree based on that.

>> No.13232099

>>13231975
>t. has never had a gf

Nice cope. I literally dated my oneitis for seven months before breaking up with her. Women are fickle and emotionally irrational, even unstable. All the stress and bullshit wasn’t worth it. Reading Madame Bovary has only reinforced my views.

>> No.13232498

>>13230573
Have emotions

>> No.13232983

>>13232041
>indirect Austen trick
?

>> No.13233097

>>13232983
Where the voice of the narrator and the character are blended, while keeping in the third person. Used to great effect in Emma, where everything is filtered through Emma's consciousness and what is actually happening is often not what we are being told by Emma/the narrator
Flaubert uses the same trick in Madame Bovary for his own self deluding heroine called Emma

>> No.13233115

>>13231722
they can only be blamed for not succeeding

>> No.13233193

>>13230973
yes

>> No.13233275

Life itself is too small for Emma, a condition that modern media has only exacerbated for not just women. Some strategies of Cope remain more socially acceptable than others, however.

>> No.13233327

>>13233275
How should’ve Emma coped?

>> No.13233345

>>13233275
>why would any woman be dissatisfied with life in 19th century rural France
Read the Feminine Mystique anon

>> No.13233350

>>13232024
>Maybe he was trying to express his thought that romanticism is a spook
Possible, considering his biography.

>> No.13233363

>>13233327
Probably turned into a writer of romantic novels and made some money while living off her fantasies. Once he had enough cash she could have properly divorced and fuck off to the Parisian life she always craved for.

>> No.13233385

>>13231722
Flaubert himself saw it. He wasn't even condemned for anything.
Honestly the book is more misogynistic than normalizing adultery.

>> No.13233434

>>13231868
Both characters are meant to be sympathetic and unsympathetic at different parts of the novel. It’s possible to feel bad for Emma and also to think she is selfish and a terrible mother.

>> No.13233447

>>13231868
Why is it even his duty to serve her emotional needs. Why doesn't she serve his emotional needs

>> No.13233454

>>13233350
The man was a grade A manslut that fucked everything that moved and openly mocked the concept of romance.
Used his comparatively high earnings as a Frenchman to tour the wrong side of the Mediterranean and pay to sleep with every girl and cute boy he could find. He cucked so many North Africans he got in trouble for it.

>> No.13233488

>>13233454
I don't usually say this, but: based.

>> No.13233508

>>13233327
Good question. How does anyone? Become an incel? a devotee to cuckoldery? an artist? buy a gun? ...

>> No.13233514

>>13233193
How do women nowadays expect men to satisfy their yearning for courtship or chivalry or whatever the fuck you want to call it when there’s the whole #metoo and feminism movement going on?

>> No.13233534

>>13233514
By being able to pick up basic social cues and take charge when they see the right ones in their directions.

Also is Flaubert worth reading in English?

>> No.13233537

>>13233097
Thanks.

>> No.13233539

>>13233345
Haven't read BF, but I feel Flaubert makes this pretty clear through Emma's dissatisfaction with absolutely EVERYTHING. An interesting comparable modern instance is Eugenides' Virgin Suicides- precocious, media saturated girls who with after even the smallest taste of 'real life' quickly realize that it will never measure up to their expectations. Pretty sad (if youre of a certain mind; but if not, get to work).

>> No.13233542

>>13233534
What's the point though? Women don't act feminine anymore, you can have sex with them without any courtship at all, why would men pretend it's the 19th century

>> No.13233585

>>13233542
Don't forget to always carry a recorder with you, take pictures regularly and keep evidence fresh and constant so that they cannot charge you for any "crimes".

>> No.13233595

>>13233514
That too is a good question, I really don't know. #metoo in particular doesn't bother me all that much however. I think I'm generally speaking 'polite' --not that this makes things any easier. I'm basically a homebody but consistently find myself in relationships with women who constantly want to spend money, travel, and do shit. When I begin to flag in this respect troubles start, etc.

>> No.13233609

>>13233585
I really dont care if a woman ever accuses me of whatever, a couple have already halfheartedly tried. They have nothing to threaten me with, and I can threaten them with extreme physical harm

>> No.13233617

>>13233609
>They have nothing to threaten me with, and I can threaten them with extreme physical harm
That statement seems kind of contradictory.

>> No.13233621

>>13233617
That's called b8, anon..

>> No.13233679

>>13233621
You never know these days. That doesn't necessarily excuse my nativity, but still.

>> No.13233695

>>13233679
>my nativity
Ah. A Sagittarius most like..
t. knows the intended word fwiw

>> No.13233721

>>13233434
this is how we deal with the women in our lives, mothers, sisters, wives. you need to be able to understand the faults while understanding that the suffering they feel is real to them. pity them for it and even respect them for it in a way.

>> No.13233735

>>13233695
Fucking hell. That's a combination of being ESL and trusting the Chrome's grammar corrector without much question.

>> No.13233844

>>13233735
that's a rough square, anon
cynicism with naivety..
but whatever

>> No.13234601

>>13233735
Behold another plausible here:
>>13232081
Jesus or Pickett? Similar ends....