/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13217487]

Why are these four memes consistently pushed on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.13217499]

>>13217487
Because pseuds love memes. Not that all of them are memes, but the relation to them here certainly is.

[Anonymous No.13217521]

>>13217487
Marx is the single most important philosopher in human history, why the fuck would you list him with the other three? Like that's not even me fanboying, it's an objective fact: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/karl-marx-is-the-worlds-most-influential-scholar-180947581/

Land, on the other hand, while maybe a worthwhile thinker is still very obscure and over-represented in fame on the internet. The remaining two are pure memes, don't even really consider them philosophers.

[Anonymous No.13217523]

>>13217487

3 of them are flavor of the month, one is actually important

[Anonymous No.13217567]

>>13217521
>>13217523
Yes, the importance of a philosopher, measured by the amount of people that had to die for his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.13217571]

>>13217567
I also wholeheartedly agree that Hitler is one of the most important philosophers of our time.

[Anonymous No.13217586]

>not Deleuze

[Anonymous No.13218518]

>>13217567
Its more to do with the amount of unique and useful philosophy based on his breakthroughs. You can disagree with his conclusions but blind dismissal won't really help you if people are basing policy on his ideas.

Land read enough Marxist theory to understand it and then decided to be edgy. I think its useful to read him because his ideas are the foundation of a sort of modern anti-vanguard. He actually understands the modern left and has legitimate criticisms even if his style is a bit wacky.

The other two are spooked as fuck and only posted by people larping the crusades.

[Anonymous No.13218528]

>>13217499
>>13217487
>>13217521
>>13218518
The dumb pieces of shit who think guénon is some kind of pseud. LMAO. He's a brilliant mathematician, knows his western philosophy better than anyone on this board. He also learned arabic, chinese and sanskrit. That puts him above pretty much anyone in the western world. But that would require you braindead morons to open one of his books. The state of pseuds makes me want to vomit. I don't even larp as an orientalist or a metaphysicist or whatever.. But I actually read shit and buzzwords like "traditionalism" and other nonsensical terms don't have the slightest effect on me.

I won't even dwelve into his life as a sufi muslim.

Plebian mentality should be violently repressed. 99% of people should not get near any form of book or knowledge.

[Anonymous No.13218531]

I wish /lit/ would go make to memeing novelists and stop pretending to be twitter theorists

[Anonymous No.13218532]

>>13217487
Because its what (((they))) want.

[Anonymous No.13218558]

>>13217487

[Anonymous No.13218584]

Guenon is a legitimately important figure in the realm of comparative religion. If you don't like him as a person, that's fine, but he was incredibly influential within his particular realm. Eliade, Burkhardt, Evola, Coomaraswamy, Schuon, Nasr, and Dugin, are massively influenced by him and from them, came a whole new generation of religious theorists. Burkhardt's text on sufism is still a standard for college courses. T.S. Elliot was deeply impressed by the works of Schuon. Nasr was in key intellectual positions in Iran before the souring of western relations. Eliade is arguably the most important religious scholar to modern academia and defined the Chicago School of religion that came to define the modern field. You may not like Guenon but the people who he has influenced on a very deep level are nothing to scoff at.

[Anonymous No.13218643]

>>13218528
>99% of people should not get near any form of book or knowledge.
Definitely not anyone who takes Guenon seriously, I'll give you that much.

>He's a brilliant mathematician, knows his western philosophy better than anyone on this board.
You really think this is impressive? Look up Leibniz's biography.

[Anonymous No.13218650]

>>13218643
You are responding to an obvious bait post.

[Anonymous No.13218660]

>>13218650
XD

[Anonymous No.13218671]

>>13217487
Why would you come on 4chan and NOT expect to find memes?

[Anonymous No.13218787]

>>13218558
heh. oh, you..

[Anonymous No.13218851]

>>13217586
guenon destroys deleuze

[Anonymous No.13218865]

Because they're exotic. Novelty over substance.

[Anonymous No.13218914]

>>13217487
Because The FBI has decided that they are safest memes to have pushed. Read Klages, Strasser, Zizek, and Mencken.

[Anonymous No.13218955]

>>13217487
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.13218957]

>>13217487
Because Land, Guenon and Evola are good for memes, and we're all Marxists here (I hope) just having a bit of fun with memes.

[Anonymous No.13219064]

>>13218851
i agree but what i meant is that he is more of a meme than marx

[Anonymous No.13219071]

>>13218957
>and we're all Marxists here (I hope)
Yikes. Just kys dude

[Anonymous No.13219137]

>>13218957
lol no

[Anonymous No.13219146]

>>13217487
>Land
Idk he’s fun
>Guenon
Because evola likes him
>Evola
Edgy right wingers like edgy right wingers
>Marx
Edgy left wingers like edgy left wingers

[Anonymous No.13219161]

>>13217521
>>13218518
Pull the stick out, pseud, lmao.

[Anonymous No.13219173]

>>13217521
>Marx
>most important philosopher

[Anonymous No.13219265]

Nick Land is a pretentious troglodyte whose work comprises the greatest modern collection of bad faith argumentation in philosophy. There is absolutely nothing of value to be found in any of his supposedly valid criticisms of the modern left, and moreover I'm astounded that so many leftists are duped by his verbosity and are willing to legitimately engage with him as an intellectual.

Julius Evola is a non-philosopher whose work is depraved literary pornography for reactionary idiots. If you are reading Evola, you have resigned yourself to the fact that you are not searching for valid answers to any questions you may have pertaining society, the universe, or yourself. You're just looking to justify the basal impulses you feel by draping them in aristocratic garbs.

Guenon is similarly a non-philosopher. If you're going to care about esotericist bullshit (which you shouldn't), you might as well get into Blavatsky. At least theosophy did humanity the good of inspiring late Scriabin.

Karl Marx is, without a shadow of a doubt, the greatest mistake God has ever made. His non-contributions to economics slowed the legitimate advancement of the field for the better half of a century. But that is nothing compared to the damaging impact his lame philosophy had on subsequent thought. It's taken over 150 years for the absolute imbecility that is Marxism to finally be dismantled in academia, but not before 100 million people would die in invariably doomed attempts to realize it. >>13217521, you're a complete fucking moron if you think that Marx having a high h-metric means he's in any way relevant to modern thought or, moreover, society at large. Third on that list is Edward Witten. Guess he's a more relevant physicist than Einstein, right? Wrong, you fucking complete and total dipshit. It has infinitely more to do with the nature of the academic fields that they influenced than the actual magnitude of their influence.

The truth is, OP, those four memes are constantly pushed on /lit/ because what they peddle is pure storytelling. They are not real philosophers in any meaningful sense - Europe hasn't produced a good one since Frege, apart from Wittgenstein. Everyone here that is into philosophy is into it because they were initially into literature, which is in my opinion absolutely awful because it means they are a) probably too stupid to understand real philosophical works with a heavy logic underpinning, and b) are more inclined towards ideologues who allow them to bypass critical thinking and still have a supporting literature to fall back on.

[Anonymous No.13219282]

Because people find the topics they wrote about interesting and important

[Anonymous No.13219283]

>>13219282

People are wrong and gay

[Anonymous No.13219284]

>>13219071
He's right though. What /lit/ are you browsing?

[Anonymous No.13219294]

>>13219265
yikes

[Anonymous No.13219296]

>>13218957
>and we're all Marxists here (I hope)

[Anonymous No.13219300]

>>13219265
based
this is why I still come here, rare intellectuals like yourself, anon
is there any other place on teh internet?

[Anonymous No.13219305]

>>13218957
keep hoping, pom

[Anonymous No.13219334]

>>13219265
>muh billion jillion gorillion gommunist murders

cringe. go back to r/pinker or whatever you fucking braindead nigger anglo

[Anonymous No.13219341]

>>13219300
only a manifest idiot like this to think that one of the same ilk is intellectual

[Anonymous No.13219348]

>>13218914
>Mencken
Besides that good list.

[Anonymous No.13219351]

>>13219334
>>13219341

READ

A

FUCKING

BOOK

[Anonymous No.13219353]

>>13219351
what CIA propaganda would you have me read you fucking shill?

[Anonymous No.13219354]

>>13219341
cool words, bro.
you sound like a fucking moron trying to sound smart
try again

[Anonymous No.13219361]

>>13219354
>cool words
>you sound like a moron trying to sound smart
>try again

christ, you sound like a programmed idiot, have you ever read any nonfiction book? try thinking for yourself you fucktard

[Anonymous No.13219376]

>>13219361

Why would anyone ever read non-fiction

[Anonymous No.13219474]

>>13218851
lol

[Anonymous No.13219630]

>>13219265
>Europe hasn't produced a good one since Frege, apart from Wittgenstein.
holy cringe

[Anonymous No.13219642]

>>13219265
>Karl Marx is, without a shadow of a doubt, the greatest mistake God has ever made
what about temujin?

[Anonymous No.13219649]

>>13219265
>marx is a non-philosopher
https://plato.stanford.edu/search/searcher.py?query=marx
Even your own betray you, analytic.

[Anonymous No.13219677]

>>13219630
Arguably, Foucault and Derrida? Who else after Witty? Anscombe is ok. Idk.

[Anonymous No.13219897]

>>13218528
René Guénon was just a stinky carpet dealer.

[Anonymous No.13219900]

>>13218584
this: >>13219897

[Anonymous No.13219907]

>>13219146
>Evola
>right winger
Evola was just a stinky orientalist.

[Anonymous No.13219916]

>>13219907
Guénon was a carpet dealer, Evola bought one and bragged about it.

[Anonymous No.13219918]

>>13219907
Evola was a literal nazi moron.

[Anonymous No.13219920]

>>13217487
The fact that these memes exist is important because these types of arguments are often used in a way meant to dismiss, belittle, or marginalize specific individuals, groups, or groups of people. This type of thinking is particularly likely as it's used in a way that reinforces the idea that these people are, at the very least, less than. The idea behind these memes is that there is some sort of 'us versus them' conflict. In other words, 'we're all in this together because we're all oppressed', as opposed to 'it's us against them because we're poor and we're racist'. This argument is rarely actually used in context, and is probably best summed up through someone else using an example of race relations. I'd hate to be the person who brings it up.

[Anonymous No.13219923]

>>13217487
>land
Meme
>guenon
Meme
>Evola
Gigameme
>Marx
Most important thinker in recent history

[Anonymous No.13219932]

>>13219918
Evola was a stinky orientalist you dirty piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.13219951]

>>13217487
>land
Meme
>guenon
Meme
>Evola
Most important thinker in recent history
>Marx
Gigameme

[Anonymous No.13219959]

>>13219265
Marx revolutionised the way we think about capitalism and his critiques have not only been massively influential in geopolitics, economics, and activist movements, but also various left-wing philosophies from intersectionality to postmodernism. Even if you are the most strident capitalist you still have to contend with Marxs criticisms.
Marxism has not been dismantled in academia or politics. It is still very much alive and thriving. The most famous living philosopher is himself a Marxist. Something like 30% of humanities professors have Marxist leanings.

[Anonymous No.13219961]

>>13219951
>Guénon = meme
>Guénon fanboy = most important thinker in recent history

[Anonymous No.13219962]

>>13219959
Marxism is just a capitalist tool you retard.

[Anonymous No.13219964]

>>13218528
>dwelve

[Anonymous No.13219979]

>>13217567
The ideas of John Locke killed more people than Marxism. This bloody murderous Anglo is behind every US intervention to "spread democracy".

[Anonymous No.13219998]

>>13217487
3 of them are not really only meme desu

[Anonymous No.13220010]

>>13218957
>we're all Marxists here (I hope)
not since 2016

[Anonymous No.13220142]

>>13219897
luxurious carpets are dope as fuck my man, truly the patricians choice of household decoration

[Anonymous No.13220154]

>>13220142
Go be a carpet dealer elsewhere you stinky bum.

[Anonymous No.13220170]

>>13220142
>luxurious carpets are dope as fuck my man, truly the patricians choice of household decoration

[Anonymous No.13220192]

>>13217521
Mohammed was a greater philosopher.

[Anonymous No.13220207]

>>13220154
luxurious and beautifully patterned carpets from the orient are not the province of bums, but rather are signs of the sophistication and intelligence of the person to whom they belong

[Anonymous No.13220210]

>>13220207
>luxurious and beautifully patterned carpets from the orient are not the province of bums, but rather are signs of the sophistication and intelligence of the person to whom they belong

[Anonymous No.13220217]

>>13220207
Here is your reward.
*throws a peanut at your feet*
Keep entertaining me with your humbug, loser.
*laughs*

[Anonymous No.13220229]

>>13219951

[Anonymous No.13220232]

>>13219474
Deleuze's attempts at taking an anti-Guenon position were only part of a hopeless rearguard trying to salvage Deleuze's credibility after he was preemptively btfo for all eternity in Guenon's works

[Anonymous No.13220235]

>>13220207
Sales talk for retards, orientalism in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.13220238]

>>13220210
the people who sell rugs in some cases (which range from street bums to rich merchants in beautiful and expensive shops) have no bearing upon carpets themselves as objects you dummy

[Anonymous No.13220250]

>>13220192
Why are you insulting Mohammed, you murtad?

[Anonymous No.13220254]

>>13220238
>carpet shops
>beautiful
LOL

[Anonymous No.13220277]

>>13220217
I'm not here to keep you entertained, I'm merely poking holes in the latest ad-hominum argument you've developed against Guenon to cope for not having any serious critiques against him that don't fall apart when examined. The man is beyond serious reproach and you'll be happier when you realize this and just let it go. Having finely patterned Persian carpets is the sign of an intelligent and cultured man (not to mention wealthy) who cares about his home. When you step into a home and feel a thick carpet of kurk wool colored with indigo and carmine you immediately know that you have been admitted into the presence of a man steeped in wisdom and knowledge, someone who values the collective artistic achiever of mankind and who selects only the best of it to enrich and enliven his home like the Devas who churned the ocean to collect amrita. Keeping a collection of sublime rugs can be seen as the antithesis of and a rebllion against the degenerated values of the 'Ikeaized' modern world which promotes only functionality and practicality over soulfullness and aesthetic appreciation. A man who lacks oriental rugs in his home is a man with a hole in his heart. Truly, it's only the ignornant and hopelessly misguided who don't understand the immense value of having luxurious and colorful Persian rugs in every room. Like watches, they become objects of heritage that are passed down to children and grandchildren in turn. I pity the fool who will never know the heavenly caress of laying down on a Persian rug with a loved one while eating dates and sipping tea.

[Anonymous No.13220282]

>>13218957
>and we're all Marxists here (I hope)

Haha yeah absolutely, Evola is my favourite Marxist

Fuck off, dude

[Anonymous No.13220320]

>>13220277
>I'm not here to keep you entertained
>Writes more pathetic orientalist humbug

[Anonymous No.13220328]

>>13220320
>t. carpetlet

[Anonymous No.13220336]

>>13220328

[Anonymous No.13220356]

>>13220336
>one dirty carpet of an irresponsible carpet owner means all carpet are dirty
anti-carpet fags confirmed as sub-80 IQ morons who can't into basic logic

[Anonymous No.13220370]

>>13220356
Imagine thinking that a "clean" carpet smells better than piss.

[Anonymous No.13220377]

>>13219918
He wrote two books criticising Nazism. If anything, a right wing objection to National Socialism is far more effective and convincing to a Nazi than left wing "people" like you screeching about how it is "racist" from your bourgeoise moralistic perspective.

[Anonymous No.13220422]

>>13220336
>>13220356
>>13220370
When you step into a home and feel a thick smell of camel piss you immediately know that you have been admitted into the presence of a man steeped in wisdom and knowledge, someone who values the collective artistic achiever of mankind and who selects only the best of it to enrich and enliven his home like the Devas who churned the ocean to collect amrita. Keeping a collection of sublime camel piss jars can be seen as the antithesis of and a rebllion against the degenerated values of the 'Ikeaized' modern world which promotes only functionality and practicality over soulfullness and aesthetic appreciation. A man who lacks oriental piss jars in his home is a man with a hole in his heart. Truly, it's only the ignornant and hopelessly misguided who don't understand the immense value of having luxurious and colorful camel piss jars in every room. Like watches, they become objects of heritage that are passed down to children and grandchildren in turn. I pity the fool who will never know the heavenly caress of laying down on a Persian rug with a loved one while eating dates and sipping camel piss.

[Anonymous No.13220473]

>>13220277
>the degenerated values of the 'Ikeaized' modern world which promotes
Well, IKEA promotes "oriental rugs":
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/textiles-rugs/rugs/oriental-rugs/

[Anonymous No.13221097]

>>13217487
>Marx
>a meme
kys, for real
t. not even a Marxist/Communist/Socialist

[Anonymous No.13221118]

>>13219334
based

[Anonymous No.13221170]

>>13219959

Nah. Marxism is dead. It's been totally supplanted in sociology/philosophy by postmodernism. Postmodernism is not Marxist and though it might have semi-Marxist origins, I would argue that someone like Saussure is way more important in its development.

It's also been completely non-influential in economics or geopolitics, only someone with absolutely zero academic background in those would think that.

>30% of humanities professors

Wrong.

https://www.econlib.org/archives/2015/03/the_prevalence_1.html

A very very small % of professors overall in the humanities are Marxists. The number is high in the 'social sciences (17.6%)' which is narrowly defined to primarily mean sociologists. Even there, the vast majority of professors do not identify as Marxists anymore (this down from virtually all sociologists in the 20th century). Plus, this was 2006, it's probably even lower now.

[Anonymous No.13221376]

>reee carpets
Are the murisharts awake already?
I know you fags live wearing your cleats while laying on your couch but the rest of the world laughs at such.

[Anonymous No.13221436]

>>13221376
>*sips camel piss*

[Anonymous No.13221463]

>>13221170
So, Marxism is finally dying? Good...
That jewish pushed ideology ruined Russia and China and they tried it too in Europe and the USA.

[Anonymous No.13221491]

>>13221463

Fuck off reactionary faggot, I don't care about your Jew delusions

[Anonymous No.13221502]

>>13221491
>reactionary
>delusions
You're a meme and the only thing you do is supporting the capitalist system. How does this make you feel, retard?

[Anonymous No.13221516]

>>13218650
That's the best think one can do.

[Anonymous No.13221527]

>>13221170
A considerable part of post modernism has its roots in marxism. There is a considerable intersection between them. Satre and Deleuze were heterodox marxists with ties to maoist groups. People that reject the marxist tendencies and influences in the french post modernists are being dishonest. The academia is full of heterodox marxists. In my colege, the humanities are composed mainly by post modern left-liberals with heterodox marxist tendencies. The rest are actually orthodox marxists, which include modern marxist-leninists.
That being said, i believe the world would be a better place if we could erase their existence and works. I would save Rene Girard and Baudillard, but that would be it.

[Anonymous No.13221530]

>>13221527
Neoliberalism was a CIA project used to destroy pro-Worker Socialism and replace it with Anti-Worker, Pro-Homo SJWism of the "New Left"

>Frankfurt School
>Marcuse
>New Left
>Rockefeller
>CIA

>members of the Frankfurt School--Franz Neumann, Herbert Marcuse, and Otto Kirchheimer--worked for the CIA

>Worked on domestic and foreign propaganda agency

>received a Rockefeller Foundation grant (Rockefeller Foundation was closely tied to CIA) to deconstruct Soviet Marxism

>CIA funded french eurocoms

>CIA/Rockefeller pursue to destroy pro-Worker Socialism and replace it with anti-Worker imposter """Socialism"""
https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9955.html

https://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/marcuse-and-the-deep-state/

http://archive.oah.org/special-issues/teaching/2001_09/article.html

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/the-cia-reads-french-theory-on-the-intellectual-labor-of-dismantling-the-cultural-left/

https://www.theawl.com/2015/08/literary-magazines-for-socialists-funded-by-the-cia-ranked/

[Anonymous No.13221569]

>>13221530
Go to >>>>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.13221578]

>>13221569
Marcuse is the Father of the New Left and worked for the CIA.

The New Left was created by Rockefeller, CIA and spread around the various faggot Ivy League academic centers in Columbia, Berkeley, Yale in the 1970s

the New Left was exclusive to the elite institutions of America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse

[Anonymous No.13221602]

>>13221578
Most of the arguments made by the post modernists are sound within the heterodox marxist context. If the devil himself financed them it would still be irrelevant because they are right.
You are poisoning the well.
Go to >>/x/ pls

[Anonymous No.13221661]

>>13221602
Cultural Marxism is a fake term
USSR called it capitalist degeneracy. Cultural marxism is a term these despicable sniveling rat-faced weasels throw around to fool and hoodwink their right-winged peons to distract them from the wool that's been pulled over their eyes.

Zizek pointed out that what are commonly referred to as cultural Marxists could actually be called cultural Capitalism. I realize that this is amusingly accurate.

>>13221578
What this board calls ''cultural marxism'' the rest of the world calls ''American degeneracy''. For real. Under socialism we were socially conservative. Now everybody does recreational drugs and girls are sluts. None of this under actual marxism. Explain yourselves.

We became (((democracies))). Now we're all in the same cesspool as the burgers.

the USSR called it "Meлкoбypжyaзнaя мopaль".

>>13221530
All this new left shit is purely American.
Other countries are physically incapable of this level of cringe


>>13221527
normal people call it capitalism, bourgeiose culture or American influence since it's spread via capitalism and enforced by the geopolitic arch nemesis of Marxism.

the issue is that it is as american as apple pie, cia, and capitalism

the issue is that USSR, Stalin, Tito, Hoxho, Iron Curtain, DDR, Cuba, even Strasser wanted to kill it and you dont realize it

[Anonymous No.13221672]

>>13221661
>Zizek. lulz.
>cultural marxism is cultural capitalism. Lmao
>It's USA's fault, not russia's hurrrr durrrr.

[Anonymous No.13221690]

>>13221672
classic Socialism: Pro-Worker, Pro-Family, Pro-White, anti-fag, anti-degeneracy, anti-immigration, anti-open borders
practiced: Poland, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Iron Curtain, Czechoslovakia, Cuba, North Korea, USSR
supporters: Marx, Engels, Stalin, Tito, Castro, Hoxha, right-wing
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
western ""Socialism"": anti-Worker, anti-Family, anti-White, pro-Fag, pro-immigration, pro-shitskin, pro-open borders, pro-degeneracy
practiced: USA and globalized vassals (Europe, Canada, Straya, Brazil...)
supporters: CIA, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bush, Soros, Corporations, Wall Street, Frankfurt school, Luxemborg, Chabad, Frankists

[Anonymous No.13221696]

>>13217567
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.13221715]

>>13221690
>anti-open borders
>Marx
Marx himself was an immigrant you absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.13221725]

>>13221170
>It's also been completely non-influential in economics or geopolitics,
Marxism has influenced political science considerably. Good job on outing yourself as a pseud.

[Anonymous No.13221731]

>>13221715
Marx was anti-open borders

Capitalists want open borders for the cheap labor and high consumption rate, like you said. They are not allies of socialists.

Socialists oppose open borders because we want collective bargaining to set wage rates and we want underdeveloped countries to industrialize under direction of their own technical and skilled workers--which they cannot do if brain-drained.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/

[Anonymous No.13221751]

>>13221731
>Marx was anti-open borders
He was an IMMIGRANT you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.13221752]

>>13221731
No he wasn't. He supported free trade ffs.

[Anonymous No.13221759]

>>13221731
>like you said
Not me.
I don't care about what people say, think or do.
People ARE what they ARE.
And Marx was a fucking immigrant.

[Anonymous No.13221768]

>>13221731
You keep saying this immigrant wasn't an immigrant.
Then you are pro-migrant and pro-open-borders too, just like him.

[Anonymous No.13221771]

>>13221690
Lenin was pro-open borders you absolute retard
>There can be no doubt that dire poverty alone compels people to abandon their native land, and that the capitalists exploit the immigrant workers in the most shameless manner. But only reactionaries can shut their eyes to the progressive significance of this modern migration of nations. Emancipation from the yoke of capital is impossible without the further development of capitalism, and without the class struggle that is based on it. And it is into this struggle that capitalism is drawing the masses of the working people of the whole world, breaking down the musty, fusty habits of local life, breaking down national barriers and prejudices, uniting workers from all countries in huge factories and mines in America, Germany, and so forth.

>America heads the list of countries which import workers. ….

>The bourgeoisie incites the workers of one nation against those of another in the endeavour to keep them disunited. Class-conscious workers, realising that the break-down of all the national barriers by capitalism is inevitable and progressive, are trying to help to enlighten and organise their fellow-workers from the backward countries.”
V. I. Lenin, “Capitalism and Workers’ Immigration,” Za Pravdu No. 22, October 29, 1913.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/oct/29.htm

[Anonymous No.13221776]

>>13221751
>>13221752
>>13221759
>>13221771
SEETHING


Marxists see immigration as a threat to Workers. That's why ALL Marxist states were closed borders


100yrs ago
>Marx/Engels: Anti-homo, anti-IdPol, anti-immigration, anti-Jazz

80yrs ago
>Stalin: Anti-homo, anti-IdPol, anti-immigration, anti-Jazz

50yrs ago
>Brezhnev/Tito/Hoxha/Castro: Anti-homo, anti-IdPol, anti-immigration, anti-Jazz

30yrs ago
>USSR/Iron Curtain/Cuba: Anti-homo, anti-IdPol, anti-immigration, anti-Jazz


meanwhile US was the cesspit of Jazz, degeneracy, and immigration

the sharter alt-right is trying to ride the coattails of Socialism anti globalism and pretending you’re actually le based trad guys

[Anonymous No.13221788]

>>13221661
I never mentioned "cultural marxism". You are a dishonest idiot in profound cognitive dissonance. The postmodern french were heterodox marxists. This is a fact. They were associated with maoist and leninist groups. They openly suported it. Ponty even went as far as justifying the soviet terror through the concept of progressive terror.
Also worth noting, Zizek is a liar. He calls himself a heterodox marxist while rejecting more of the marxist orthodoxy than the french post modernists. If he is a marxists then they are also marxists.

[Anonymous No.13221805]

>>13221776
Marx was still an immigrant, and you are still a pro-open-borders.

[Anonymous No.13221811]

>>13218518
sauce on pic

[Anonymous No.13221817]

>>13221776
What exactly do you think proleterian internationalism means?

[Anonymous No.13221818]

>>13221788
Soviet Union was highly socially conservative, degenerates were hated. Funny when Soviet communists met with Western ones they felt disgusted, the French commies wouldn't shut up about faggots and women liberation.

>>13221602

LGBT movement has its intellectual foundations in Foucault who was anti-Marxist, neoliberal, and loved by the CIA.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP86S00588R000300380001-5.PDF

>>13221788
>>13221768
>>13221805
intersectionality and social justice have very little to do with either culture or marxism
"identity politics" is a more accurate term

Cultural Marxism (actually Critical Intersectionality) is a CIA creation designed to undermine traditional socialism

It's proposition of capitalistic regime how to affect culture and cultural capitalism/Intersectionality can theoritize how such measures are implemented in culture.

[Anonymous No.13221820]

>>13221715
>>13221672
>>13221751
>>13221759

Stop replying to this dishonest idiot. He is a nazbol. Meme ideology.

[Anonymous No.13221841]

>>13221817
what do you think Iron Curtain means?

Even citizens within the USSR werent allowed to move to a different city, unless they get special permission

>>13221811
I understand why marxists and socialists hate the framing of the social-justice phenomenon as "cultural marxism" because they don't want to be associated with the new-left degeneracy. And honestly I don't really disagree with their objections, it is pretty far removed from regular Marxism and doesn't seem that much more influenced by it than any other idea that developed post-marx.

>>13221820
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Left

A better name for the phenomenon which you're describing is "intersectional identity politics"
When you use the term "Marxism" there is a connotation for a positivist mindset about history and a material focus, both of which are absent from that phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.13221851]

>>13219979
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.13221868]

>>13221715
>>13221672
>>13221751
>>13221759
what shitty community college do you go to?

[Anonymous No.13221909]

>>13221818
>>13221530
CIA and COINTELPRO worked to divert left-wing activism in the US from focusing on Communism and instead towards social justice

>>13221170
Original communist don't exist anymore so never, and they were nothing like this CIA-engineered New Left we have now.

[Anonymous No.13221919]

>>13221530
The New Left gained traction in the 70s and was based on Anti-Union, Anti-Worker, Pro-Homo, Pro-White Genocide politics.

the New Left was started by Frankfurt School who moved to the US and worked with the CIA to popularize an anti-Worker """"socialist"""" movement against Marxism, Stalinism

The working class was the focus of Marxists this, but the Frankfurt School rejected the working class.

Marcuse, Kirchheimer, and the Frankfurt School, worked with CIA, to popularize anti-Worker """"socialism"""".

They subverted socialism in the West and reorientated the battle over production, to a contest of endless consumption, immigration, degeneracy, which preoccupied the New Left.
Unlike the earlier Socialists (Old Left) focus on union activism, the "New Left" in the US since 1960s, instead focused on protesting class-based oppression to include issues such as gender, race and faggotry

[Anonymous No.13221921]

>>13217523
I love this post

[Anonymous No.13221936]

>>13220232
Please links. I would love to read it.

[Anonymous No.13221947]

Isn't Guenon mega spooked on authentic genealogy. What exactly makes having a tradition more important than the syncretic concepts reflected in various religions that are common to all human experiences? It seems like he just wanted to be cool for being "really" enlightened.

[Anonymous No.13221954]

>>13221919
Where can I read more of this

[Anonymous No.13221979]

>>13221811
http://www.coppelia.io/2012/06/graphing-the-history-of-philosophy/

[Anonymous No.13221991]

>>13221841
Its called social engineering. The elites managed to distance the so called left from working class people by infusing socialist groups with demented liberal shit such as the lgbt or gender craze. Thus socialism became an ideology of the bourgeoisie, at least in the west, something working class people couldnt identify with anymore. Not to say that these liberal ideas didnt exist in marxist circles already, they did. However they were mainly fringe theorists nobody really gave a fuck about pre ww2, until 1968. This is when people who quite literally worked for the CIA during ww2 (called OSS back then), called the frankfurt school, took leadership over the 68 student protests and started influencing student leaders. The leaders of 68 would later move on to become politicians and infuse our society with the cancer called cultural marxism.

>>13221954
links already posted here >>13221530


Michael Parenti on identity politics being a CIA psyop and neoliberal con

https://youtu.be/n79kRP5RB2M

[Anonymous No.13222018]

>>13221979
Thank you so fucking much for this. I've been dying for a way to do exactly this for months now for my own projects, but had no idea how to google and research it effectively. I ended up doing pic related just for fun as a proof of concept.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.13222031]

>>13221530
Frankfurt school produced bourgeois ideology for the CIA

after reading Marcuse's "On Soviet Communism" (funded by the CIA btw), I abandoned them.

[Anonymous No.13222038]

>>13222018
yeah, well, fuck you too

[Anonymous No.13222071]

>>13217521
Marx isn't even the most important philosopher of the 19th century and his influence seems to be waning as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous No.13222088]

>>13221947
He was talking to people who were looking for a real guru. It's common sense really if you want a real spiritual teaching go to an authentic tradition rather than some random guy who claims he's enlightened with nothing to back him up.

[Anonymous No.13222143]

>>13222088
>It's common sense really if you want a real spiritual teaching go to an authentic tradition
But this assumes that spiritual teaching is "real" and depends on how you define it. If "real" is a phenomena then how do you know whether a christian or hindu tradition is more "real". Isn't Guenon just taking the oldest one? How does he know that christianity or islam as its future and zoroastrianism as its past and hindu don't cross in an older oral traditions lost to history. What if christianity had a written history that passed it that was lost with Alexandria. It seems like hes trying to find the correct spirituality but he chooses arbitrarily.

If "real" is an primordial external dimension of the physical, the infinite, absolute or noumenal, as opposed to a reality contingent on sense perception and the material order then you wouldn't seek to find it within a physical history.

Primary sources for tradition would be important for study but the individual schools as interpreted by the people in various places according to their geography and customs is I think less applicable to us today then the message contained within them that is reflected regardless of time and place.

[Anonymous No.13222205]

>>13222143
CIA/Corporate Co-opting of Socialism

the 'woke left' claim to be anti establishment when all politicians, corporations, all media, academia, and a whole class of insufferable centrist upper middle class liberal whites who look down their nose at the working class, are ALL aligned on this issue. They are ALL functionally 'socially liberal' aka cultural marxist aka New Left

When we see Colin Capernick getting nike endorsements, feminism being peddled by mainstream media outlets, etc. We can see that cultural marxism is enforced by corporate capitalism. cultural marxism does not challenge the system, cultural marxism reinforces the capitalist system. Indeed, if you look at many pride parades today its difficult to even tell that acceptance of and visibility for LGBT+ is the goal of the parade, or rather the glorification of the tech industry, as you see the marchers holding up signs that say INTEL, MICROSOFT, APPLE. You can have (and often do) major corporations endorse feminism and lgbt+ issues wheras amazon would obviously never endorse a march to increase the minimum wage or pro-union. This is the sort of "woke neoliberalism" epitomized by people such as Hillary Clinton, the New Left, Frankfurt school, CIA and the tumblr crowd - The Californian ideology. Sex, Drugs, and fiscal conservatism.

[Anonymous No.13222225]

>>13222205
what

[Anonymous No.13222276]

>>13222143
Yoga, by which i mean mediation, not the exercise shit white women do, is an authentic teaching which leads to the states he talks about. So any other teaching that leads to the same orthodox states is an authentic teaching, this can be inferred, and such paths exist in other religions too. The important thing is that you need to understand how it's done, and religions like Christianity and Islam don't give any explanation, they just say God did it, which leads to the problems you are describing.

[Anonymous No.13222383]

>>13218528
Nice pasta

[Anonymous No.13222395]

>>13217487
because they’re white men

[Anonymous No.13222448]

>>13217521
If the value of a philosopher is measured by the number of retards following his ideas, then our lord and savior, the lobster man himself, Jordan B. Peterson must be the most important philosopher of all time.

[Anonymous No.13222457]

>>13222395
Name some darkies with good ideas

[Anonymous No.13222503]

>>13222457

[Anonymous No.13222528]

>>13218518
That is all.

[Anonymous No.13222546]

>>13222528
Oh my

[Anonymous No.13223337]

>>13217521
is this bait?

[Anonymous No.13223378]

>>13221690
woke post

[Anonymous No.13223427]

>when marx-bros try to silence the lived trauma of POC female identified bodies by derailing their revolutionary discourse and mansplaining 'class' theory
sweaties...

[Anonymous No.13224218]

>>13217487
>he thinks meme is something bad
>he doesn`t understand Nick Land.

[Anonymous No.13224363]

>>13219630

Hegel came 100 years before Frege but even if he didn't he sucks anyway so youre a fag

[Anonymous No.13224378]

>>13217487
*coughs in gender accelerationism*

[Anonymous No.13224413]

>>13222205
>it is another anti cultural-marxist using its criticisms of capitalism to criticize cultural marxism episode

[Anonymous No.13224477]

>>13224413

Adorno is our guy, he just larped as a Marxist

If Adorno had his way all blacks would be gone as would degenerates

[Anonymous No.13224738]

Why do Anglos have to spaz out every single time there is mention of Marx?

[Anonymous No.13224742]

>>13221715
>being against open borders means you are against immigration
wew, brainwashed