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thoughts on Pinker?

>> No.13213384

i hate this gay earth and capitalism so much

>> No.13213435
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>>13213366
p/acc is top-tier.

>> No.13213443

>>13213366
typical technocratic classical liberal with no skin in the game. Life expectancy in the United States went down for the first time in decades last year, but everything's fine, right?

>> No.13213451

>>13213384

Capitalism is good

>> No.13213458

>>13213366
He's a jew gatekeeping for his tribe and trying to convince the goyim that the current jew-run paradigm is the best of all possible worlds.

>> No.13213464

Don't Call It Hell This Is The Eden You Chose

>> No.13213466
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>>13213366
I don’t think he understands THX 1138

>> No.13213476

Eat your calming robots, goy.

>> No.13213480

>>13213366
I know the pic is a fake but the idea behind it is perfectly fine.

you reactionary /pol/tards would probably have burnt the guy who invented penicillin for being a witch

>> No.13213487

>>13213458
Is this >>13213451 a Jew too, anon?

>> No.13213490

>he asked for a raise?
>up his dosage so he feels more content

>> No.13213493

>>13213480
found the pill junkie
dont go shooting up any schools or concerts or anything my man

>> No.13213499

Pinker is alright when he's actually being an intellectual that's sticking to his field of study. The problem is that he'll talk about politics and other subjects he hasn't dedicated his academic life to studying and his entire persona is based on name-dropping terms like "anarcho-capitalism" that sound really smart to politically illiterate people and then jerking himself off by coming off as the wise old analyst who has perfected the arts of logic and reason when he's really not.

>> No.13213502

>>13213487

I am actually Jewish, lol, but that is besides the point

Capitalism has done more to improve living standards and ensure human rights globally than any other idea

>> No.13213532

>rethuglicans
oh come the fuck on, THAT was the best he could do? it's so easy to make fun of Republicans since their platform is so fundamentally broken, so why resort to such a low quality, eyeroll inducing, and smug pun?

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>>13213451
>Capitalism is the best.
FTFY

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>>13213502
>Capitalism has done more to improve living standards and ensure human rights globally than any other idea


The Gulf of Tonkin incident 60 trillion dollars in private and public debt Trying to steal venezuelan oil Supporting Franco and Salazar Financing Bin Laden and Taliban Brazil 1964 Argentina 1976 Greece 1967 Haiti 1915 Stolen mexican lands Supporting pedophile paraguayan dictator Paying corrupt jurists and politicians in Latin America War on Terror Patriot Act PRISM Edward Snowden Guantanamo Bay CIA black sites Human Rights NSA mass surveillance Warrantless Wiretapping 4th Amendment violations Julian Assange whistle-blower manhunt Ecuadorian embassy refuge Corporate interests worker's rights healthcare rights free education Police militarization incarceration rate fake weapons of mass destruction Petrodollar warfare Israel "special" relationship ban on boycott Free Palestine USS Liberty attack Mossad cover up false anti-semitism accusations depleted uranium mutinions war crime ignoring the Geneva Convention Agent Orange My Lai Massacre Contras 1973 Chile coup CIA backing puppet dictators Illegal Occupation 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état United Fruit Company Cuban Missile Crisis Bay of Pigs Operation Northwoods Area51 Saudi lobby American Cover-Up of Trials of Unit 731 Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse MKUltra Tuskegee syphilis experiment Suspension of Habeas Corpus Sedition Acts civil rights Martin Luther King murder Cointelpro Bombing of Libya Bombing of Yemen Bombing of Syria Intervention in Yugoslavia Philippine Genocide of 1900 Choctaw Trail of Tears Andrew Jackson illegal Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii haole invasion Okinawa rapes Jarhead rapists migrant caravan ICE children in cages

>> No.13213557

>>13213502
Stupid liberal take.

>> No.13213571

>>13213502
See, jews pushed communism when they weren't in control of the state and the capitalist system. Now that they are they've done a 180 and support it, because first and foremost they are tribal and working to increase their tribal power. It's not, never was, and never will be about ideology in and of itself with the jew.

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>>13213557

Prove it wrong, dumbass.

Protip: you can't

>> No.13213586

>>13213577
This.

Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is close.

And far superior to anything else that has ever been tried or even theorised.

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>>13213549

Literally all of that was justified in order to promote American (read: just and democratic) interests

>> No.13213602

>>13213443
Isn't it going down because people are eating too much?

>> No.13213612

>>13213502
Irrelevant because there is nothing to compare it to

>> No.13213619

>>13213480
Sure, but it's mostly about the way he phrased it.
Instead of people just receiving their dosage of medicine at an optimal time, it's about delivering mind altering chemicals that are currently overprescribed to "workers" whenever they get "stress[ed]."
It's not a far stretch to go from what he wrote to "Eventually we will complete control over human cattle and they will work until their bones turn to dust because of how hopped up on various chemicals they are."

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>>13213612

Maybe true, but the central tenets of what a socialist economic system would be composed of have been shown empirically and theoretically (using a microfoundations underpinning, mind you) to be allocatively inefficient

>> No.13213631

>>13213586
>Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is close.
>And far superior to anything else that has ever been tried or even theorised.
[citation needed]

>> No.13213711

>>13213366
Jesus Christ.... So much wrong with this

Depression...pills...stress...robots...schedules

Ingenious??

Honestly human beings are so desperate. Like there are whole sections of the library dedicated to ethics of a.i. systems. We haven't even designed autonomous machines. Yet already having serious debates about how to treat them???

Also psychiatry is getting out of hand....

>> No.13213715

>>13213711
those types of discussions aren't actually about robots
they're about people and what makes us human beings

>> No.13213734

Zamyatin was right

>> No.13213743

>>13213590
cia forced him to write americuck apologetics so he wouldnt get deported

>> No.13213757

>>13213366
>helping workers
ah noble lord from on high, feigning interest in the lower classes. i wonder if the article is to do specifically with workers, or rather that he considers the typical person unable to properly dose themselves at proper times as a worker, some drone in a cavern somewhere. or maybe he's playing a subtle huxleyan farce, relating the medicine distributing systems to a set of controlled slaves. maybe it was just a slip of the tongue.

>> No.13213761

>>13213602
it's going down because people are dying of chinese fentanyl imported under the nose of our lax border policies

>> No.13213772

Pinker is a great instantiation of our western ruling elite, a pragmatic rationalist with a true faith in progression. He's detestable.

>> No.13213790

>>13213772

>pragmatic rationalist

Stop abusing terms you don't understand, he is neither of those things

>> No.13213791

>>13213790
>pragmatic
he is arguablyt that

>> No.13213801

>>13213631
It’s either a Hillary voter or NSA

>> No.13213808

>>13213801

There is literally nothing wrong with Hillary Rodham Clinton, and she would've been one of the greatest presidents in American history

>> No.13213823

>>13213790
He's exactly that. True faith in enlightenment values and scientific progress. His personal axiology is rationalistic and pragmatic from his pov. It's the western elites ruling ideology with some exceptions.

>> No.13213847

>>13213823

Go back to France, cunt

>> No.13214150

>>13213366
Sounds a lot like the Futurological Congress by Lem

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>>13213772

>> No.13214249

>>13213772
>mommy!, mommy!, the smart man is saying things that I can only half-grasp but I don't like them!
>make the bad man go away, call him a new world order shill, mommy!

hmm, let's just take a look at the credentials of the man you're so hastily strawmaning, shall we...

>Research Interests: Language; communication and common knowledge; history and psychology of violence

>Steven Pinker is an experimental cognitive psychologist and a popular writer on language, mind, and human nature. A native of Montreal, he earned his Bachelor’s degree at McGill University in 1976, his PhD from Harvard in 1979, and taught at Harvard, Stanford, and MIT before returning to Harvard in 2003. Pinker’s research on vision, language, and social relations has won prizes from the National Academy of Sciences, the Royal Institution of Great Britain, the Cognitive Neuroscience Society, the American Psychological Association, and the Association for Psychological Science. He has also received eight honorary doctorates, several teaching awards at MIT and Harvard, and numerous prizes for his books The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, The Blank Slate, The Better Angels of Our Nature, and The Sense of Style. He is Chair of the Usage Panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and often writes for The New York Times, Time, and other publications. He has been named Humanist of the Year, Foreign Policy’s “100 Global Thinkers,” and Time magazine’s “100 Most Influential People in the World Today.”

>Prof. Pinker is currently doing research on a diverse array of topics in psychology, including the role of common knowledge (where two or more people know that the others know what they know) in language and other social phenomena; historical and recent trends in violence and their explanation; the psycholinguistics of good writing; the nature of the critical period for acquiring language; the neurobiology and genetics of language; and the nature of regular and irregular phenomena in grammar.

but yeah, he's "detestable" so he must be wrong. despite literal mountains of accolades from the highest institutions of education.

>> No.13214267

>>13214249
Blow it outta your bologna wreathed fetal ghost cannon, you servile upright pastrami!

>> No.13214279

>>13214238
jesus christ

>> No.13214287

>>13214249
he is literally saying is amazing and a prove of human inventiveness swallow pills to workers who feel stressed at work. this is villain cartoon reasoning at day light. you dont have to be too smart to see the shit in his thinking.

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I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD HAPPY THIS DEPRESSION I FEEL MUST NOT BE A SIGN THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG IT JUST NEEDS TO GO AWAYYYYYYYY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY NO NO NO NO BAD BAD BAD BAD THOUGHTS THOUGHTS I AM HAPPY I AM LOVED I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY GO AWAY GO AWAY GO AWAY GO AWAY GO AWAY NO BAD THOUGHTS GO AWAY GO AWAY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HEALTHY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM GOOD HAPPY I AM PRETY I AM HAPPY NO BAD THOUGHTS I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM ENOUGH I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY PRODUCTS PRODUCTS I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY

>> No.13214289

>>13213480
this guy's right, here's the real tweet, it's about insulin: https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/1095698051870666752

>but the idea behind it is perfectly fine
not so fast bucko. stop being fine with taking unconscious shortcuts to the transformation of your mind

>> No.13214295

Disgusting. You must attack the material conditions in capitalism that cause depression, not try to put bandaids over it.

>> No.13214298

>>13214289
>stop being fine with taking unconscious shortcuts to the transformation of your mind
your mind is literally your brain (as neuroscience and the thousands of actual medicines that are capable of healing have proven)

there is no "shortcut", just treatments that work and those that don't.

that "depression" that you've been wearing like some kind of badge to define your personality? turns out it's just an imbalance of chemicals. *zap* and it's gone. that was it's substantial reality.

people don't like this idea because they want to be special. turns out if a handful of pills in your stomach are capable of making sure you never dip below a certain level of emotional distress, then the emotional distress was only chemical in the first place.

stop treating the future like it's some horrible thing. it's not. every day we learn more and more and things get better and better.

>> No.13214303

>>13213711

That's something we should be doing, more than literally all other activities combined.

You want to be making AI ethical BEFORE or AFTER we hand supreme power over humanity to a machine?

Gee, I sure wish someone bothered to make an AI that did what we wanted it to do before it started tiling the universe into smiley faces, drugging the population into oblivion or whatever inane shit an autistic god could do.

The lives of untold trillions depend on the choices we make today regarding AI safety and ethics. Fuck climate change, fuck malaria, fuck inequality. There is only one issue of any importance and it's AI.

>> No.13214320

>>13214298
>a handful of pills in your stomach are capable of making sure you never dip below a certain level of emotional distress
that's the PROBLEM you fucking imbecile donkey. it doesn't matter what you call it, "mind" or "brain". do you think augmenting the consciousness so that it never suffers is a positive thing? what is the point of human life without suffering?

>every day things get better and better
if we never experience emotional distress, why should we care at all that things have gotten better?

>> No.13214321

>>13214298
medication isn't a reliable treatment for depression
suicide rates and antidepressant use correlate positively
obliviously correlation does not equal causation, but it was enough for the FDA add warnings to the medication1

1https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1403224/

>> No.13214331

Legalize, tax and regulate psilocybin.

>> No.13214332

>>13214320
Now just take the next logical step forward and realize the people trying to pacify and demographically replace you are jews like Pinker who hate you and view a proud and confident white you as a threat to them.

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>>13213451
There is nothing redeemable about it. No matter what angle you take, all you can find is degeneration, destruction, and simplification for its own meaningless growth. A blight on humanity and culture.

>> No.13214480

>>13213366
i think they need to focus on creating a medication that ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS before they dick around with incredibly retarded "luxury pill" money-milkers like this.

>> No.13214495

>>13214321
>suicide rates and anti depressant use correlate positively
Yeah cause the people who are likely to need anti depressants are the ones who are likely to kill themselves

>> No.13214498

>>13214332
There is a broader ruling class with an interest in my submission and replacement than jews alone. it is a coalition of interests that intersects broadly with the universalist ambitions of the jews, but the I don't think the jews are the root. your perspective is overly simplistic and you probably spend too much time on /pol//

but you retards need to stop taking anti-depressants

>> No.13214508

>>13213487
NO HE ISN'T, BUTTERFLY. :3

>> No.13214525

>>13214288
based

>> No.13214529

>>13213366
PISS EARTH

>> No.13214537

>>13213761
80 percent of the fentenyl in the US is from Mexico. Look it up. Why do you think they are so averse to the wall?

>> No.13214552

>>13214279
it's fake

>> No.13214650

>>13214498
Nature's struggle is about groups competing for resources. Pretending the people at the root of the current decay is some abstract coalition is nonsensical. At the root of it are jews. Behind them are shabbos goyim who do the bidding of jews and get attacked by jews when they fall out of line. Jews are the primary problem that needs to be removed from western society.

>> No.13214662

>>13213602
That problem would have been worst in the 90s

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>>13213590
>just and democratic
Lol, okay, you almost got me. Nice one.

>> No.13214741

Anyone else developing a homeostatic philosophy? Stressors should be eliminated by effective response

>> No.13214808

>>13213366
ASS

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>>13214288
>boss says I can listen to music at work
>use earbuds to listen to books instead

>Hey Anon! You rockin' out!? Watcha listenin' to?
>...

>> No.13214910

His book on Human Nature will be a milestone in the history of works. But otherwise he's an absolute ass, just got lucky writing a book on the edge of political incorrectness (and thus moving the edge). So I guess we should be thankful for that.

>> No.13214922

>>13214909
at least you can. my job disallows any sort of headphone usage.

>> No.13214942

>>13214552
>13214552
so were the protocols of zion. Evola showed the authenticity doesn't matter.

>> No.13214943
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The future is bright.

>> No.13214955

Is it true the natural slave caste gets depressed when they aren't forced to wageslave all day? Is having agency over their own time really so crippling for them?

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>>13214943

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>>13214943
So it would seem.

>> No.13215259

>it's a (((social science))) brainlet tweeting about things he has no idea about episode

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ASS

>> No.13215310

>>13213502
Yeah totally besided the point LOL. Not like it's your tribalistic bias influencing your kike opinion again.

>> No.13215345

>>13213366
Is it true there's a requisite amount of swinging required of married academics, the more generously swapped Misses favoring for full professor any adjunct or associate or visiting fellow who so open-mindedly and tenderly nods to the florid and flappy trustees surrounding her. A confidently delivered "Let her have it, fellas," being as essential a stepping stone and social grace serving the advancement of an academic career as tweed, zero-emission commuting and micro-dosed chastity, you're forced into their enlightened utopian polygamy out of your own interests.

>> No.13215349

>>13215310
>Self loathing Juden detected
Please report to your local Church, you have already been saved

>> No.13215359

>>13213366
Why do the Physical Chemists tease Stephen as "Stink bomb?"

>> No.13215661

openly racist jew

>> No.13215664

>>13215275
the most authentic of all memes

>> No.13215690

>>13214471
What isnt? I bet youre going to say something retarded

>> No.13215703

>>13213384
fp motherfucking bp

>> No.13215721

>>13213549
Based zoomer Antifa

>> No.13215783

>>13213443
>ife expectancy in the United States went down for the first time in decades last year
It's been on the decline for the past few years

>> No.13216505

>>13214289
but those pills are being made, from what I've read.

>> No.13216537

>>13213480

It isn’t right by the least bit. Condoning this type of experimentation is approving of what are, easily, the more dangerous aspects of capitalism.

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>>13213464
Thanks anon. You are truly an inspiration.

>> No.13217379

>>13213571
>jews werent in control of capitalism back then
banks were mostly Jewish owned going into capitalism due to laws front he previous centuries.

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>>13214943
I study nuclear science
I love my classes
I got a crazy teacher, he wears dark glasses
Things are going great, and they're only getting better
I'm doing all right, getting good grades
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades
I gotta wear shades
https://youtu.be/8qrriKcwvlY

>> No.13217441

>>13214295
>material conditions
Yikes

>> No.13218666

>>13213366
Only a jewish faggot could supress his natural instincts and not imagine the obvious dystopian abuse of these pills.
To not picture a scene with chinese slaves forced to work 24 hours a day while robots in their blood stream moderate they fucking mental state. What a fucken horror show.
I think this jews jovial denial is more disturbing than the end result of the roboslavemasters.

>> No.13218684

>>13218666
I know this is out of place in this day and age but I'd still like to denote the honor of these received numbers and that our Frog God blessed your post so. We are all so fortunate to read these hallowed words that I give the utmost praise to Kek and commence a new NoFap this instant, my last tug having been an especially embarrassing one after an afternoon spent with VR Goggles and Mistress T.

>> No.13218900

>>13218666
>Satan trips
Fuck off.

>> No.13218933

>>13213480
Antidepressants are a crunch, not a cure

>> No.13218942

>>13214238
Lol

>> No.13218948

>>13218933
depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain. why wouldn't medication cure it?

>> No.13218954

>>13218948
Depression is a symptom not a specific disease.

>> No.13218999

>>13218954
>Depression (major depressive disorder or clinical depression) is a common but serious mood disorder. It causes severe symptoms that affect how you feel, think, and handle daily activities, such as sleeping, eating, or working. To be diagnosed with depression, the symptoms must be present for at least two weeks.

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>>13218933
>a crunch
mmmm

>> No.13219023

>>13218948
This has to be bait

>> No.13219029

ass pills

>> No.13219038

>>13213451
Read >>13213366 two more times, look at me in the eyes, and tell me that capitalism is good.

>> No.13219045

>>13219038
I have a scrum meeting with my development pod, can we look eye to eye over Skype? I’ll try to pencil you in between my Onions lunch and afternoon meetings

>> No.13219090

>>13214238
And then for no reason at all, people decided to vote for h-

>> No.13219122

>>13213464
>>13216560
Source?

>> No.13219126

>>13219122
Ron Paul

>> No.13219168

>>13218999
Don't quote psychiactric pseudoscience at me

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>>13219168