Western Civilization Doesn't Exist

[Anonymous No.13213352]

How can we dekkkolonize the Greeks?
(45:00)
https://youtu.be/lcJZCVemn-4?t=2705

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13213391]

>>13213352
“The Greeks” were, and still are, made up of many different tribes of people. Their cultures clashed and mingled, developing into the periods we refer to now as Homeric or Athenian or Alexandrian etc.
“Western” just refers to the still distinct groups of Europeans. “Civilization” is an as yet unrealized ideal world. An ever elusive utopia. There has never been a *civilization*. A society of civil peoples

[Anonymous No.13213413]

>>13213391
Based.

[Anonymous No.13213423]

cool can we apply this critique to ashkenazis in palestine tho

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13213436]

>>13213423
Of course. They’re plainly European colonizers

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>>13213391
Kill yourself, tranny.

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>>13213391
there is an attempt to impose an ideology of managerial identitarian liberalism. It is effectively becoming a global monoculture. This just proves all politics are identity politics, conflicts about shared values and beliefs. The marxists aren't worth paying attention to,they are irrelevant and the only thing they do is carry water and apologize for the establishment. I believe in western identity politics, as a form of strategic essentialism in order to advance the things I have found value and meaning in over the course of my life.

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>>13213391

Based retard

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>>13213352
Whatever that bitch said, she was fired.

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>>13213453

Why do people write like this in the English language

move to France you pretentious faggot

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>>13213352
Academia is dead. Shut down every single university. All fucking niggers must fucking hang.

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>>13213352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5gytaWAiJs

[Anonymous No.13213516]

>>13213352
the panel lady is perfectly correct

the current classics that we inherit is a curriculum that was curated by a very specific group of people: straight, white, anglo patriarchs with a fetish for some mythological "Western" civilization proposed over and against all "non-western" civilizations i.e. indigenous groups who populated the lands that the British were conquering

the current classics curriculum reflects this and excludes many many opposing points of view in favor of a course that is sympathetic to the races and gender of those who originally imposed it

the only reason why you consider Homer, Cicero, etc important is because you have been told to. the fact that women are entirely excluded from ancient surveys of philosophy and poetry despite there being many canon-worthy women is solely due to the old, patriarchal paradigm under which the classics is currently constrained

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>>13213470
what?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13213526]

>>13213453
>a global monoculture.
This cannot be helped. Culture changes and melds. You cannot unmake a pizza, you cannot serve feces over again as food.
And anyone who talks about “cultural Marxism” ought to be ignored, yourself included.

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>>13213516
>reads Said once

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>>13213516
>YOU ONLY LISTED MALE ANCIENT GREEK AUTHORS
>WTF!

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>>13213516
>the only reason why you consider Homer, Cicero, etc important is because you have been told to
or maybe cause ancient literature has been preserved only very sparsely, so we dont have lots to choose from

also
>who is sappho

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>>13213516
>the current classics that we inherit is a curriculum that was curated by a very specific group of people
this is only true of literature up until like the 18th century ... do you think these straight white anglo patriarchs insisted that we put sylvia plath and emily dickenson in the canon?

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>>13213352
i completely agree its time we got rid of dead white men once and for all!*

*except marx,adorno,foucalt etc etc

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>>13213575
>marx,adorno,foucalt
jew, jew, gay

hence they are oppressed like we are

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>>13213526
I like the term cultural marxism because it pisses all the right people off. and it isn't like those snivelling globohomo bureaucrats who go by ''the left'' have ever cared about intellectual honesty. I think all politics is a matter of struggle. Foucault harmonises pretty well with Paul Gottfried, political correctenss has become a tool of psychopolitical control. It has less to do with marxism than with america's religious traditions. I care about cultural autonomy and I want to determine my destiny together with like minded people if the cultural marxism community stands in the way of this i think it is fair to treat them as enemies. They have made it clear they are not willing to compromise, that they regard even the most measured and conciliatory criticism as an act of war. As a downwardly mobile but independent minded white man, there is no reason, economic, political, cultural, for me to be a leftist except out of masochism.

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>>13213526
Faggot tranny.

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>>13213597
based

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>>13213516
if those other peoples wanted us to read their ancient epics, they should have written them down lol

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>>13213575
These people think Marx, Adorno and Foucault are problematic dead white males as well, that is if they know who they were at all. Kimberle Crenshaw and Peggy McIntosh are more influential amongst the modern left than foucault or adorno, 21st century leftism is a litigious managerial ideology. the playbook is always the same, claim discrimination to secure appointments for you and your allies, ensure total ideological uniformity, eliminate all dissent.

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>>13213477
what did he even mean by this?

[Anonymous No.13213702]

How is this relevant toward anything?

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>>13213436
>>13213440
Are you trully a transexual, butterfly?

[Anonymous No.13213706]

oooh, another start with the Greeks one

[Anonymous No.13213710]

>>13213423
The left are usually the biggest critics of Israel

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[Anonymous No.13213716]

Oh wow check this one out

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>>13213710
But they never do anything about it because they love Jews so much.

[Anonymous No.13213724]

oh wow suicide

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>>13213735
thanks anon, saved

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>>13213756
>hilary
>hes a man

HAHAHAHAHA

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>>13213714
>>13213706
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>>13213675
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>>13213748
>people shouldn't be allowed to criticise the cultural marxist takeover of their culture better drown them out with spam quick!

at this rate they will be raping your children in the open street!

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fb_1437753990

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>>13213770
you don't like infographics?

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>>13213575

>adorno

Adorno was based and elevated European Western civilization to the high place it rightfully deserves to be in

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>>13213701
If your going to be a wordy faggot do it and a language that sounds good I think.

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[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13213787]

>>13213704
I am nothing of the sort.

[Anonymous No.13213817]

I'm eating a really nice polish meats sandwitch right now.
its almost as good as this next infograph.

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>>13213787
you are far too autistic to be a cisgender woman

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>>13213516
>the only reason why you consider Homer, Cicero, etc important is because you have been told to.
The only reason you haven't sucked my dick is because I haven't told you to. Yet.
You've been warned.

[Anonymous No.13213932]

>>13213352
inclusiveness is about basic human decency. it is understandable why marginalised folks might not want to read plato joyce or dante and might feel deeply humilliated and even physically unsafe if someone claims the 'western canon' holds a monopoly on truth and wisdom that automatically overrides their lived experiences and their traditions of resistance. I think challenging canons is morally necessary for us in the humanities, it is meant to be transgressive, privileged people are not used to feeling uncomfortable and they have to get used to feeling uncomfortable. Remember the discomfort you feel at when your cultural hegemony is challenged is not even one millionth of the discomfort, fear and humilliation a trans person feels during every second of their waking existence.

[Anonymous No.13213933]

The lady is unironically correct. "Western Civilization" as a construct of a race, or a location, or a particularly instituted culture, does not exist, and its foundations, such as they are, are shoddy.

But "Christendom" exists. In fact, "Western Civilization" is just the PC version of "Christendom," so it's kind of sad that even the term "Western Civilization" has now become radioactive among the woke set. Western Culture, as we know it, IS Christian culture. It's mostly Catholic culture, though the Protestants have contributed here and there. It's the Christians who transferred Greek and Roman thought into the broader realm of Europe and the Americas. It's the Christians who contributed philosophy, poetry, and prose to the Western Canon. It's Christians who make up everything meaningful about The West. And without Christianity, Western Culture is not worth defending, since it's a big hollow robot without a soul.

Basically, Western Culture without Christianity is weak and feeble and deserves to die.

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>>13213932
im gonna kill you irl

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>>13213933
Jesus Christ is the God of the Weak and the original SJW. Christian slave morality is the cancer that is killing the west, SJWs are just so christian they have outgrown the need for christ.

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[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13214044]

>>13213851
I took your test. Scored very unlikely to be autistic.
Are you sure it’s not you?

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>>13214044
kys disgusting tranny

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>>13213735
the sense of an ending is unironically a good read. i find his other shit too cutesy tho.

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>>13213391
"Western Civilization" is literally a term invented to expand the American Empire

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>>13213933
>"Christendom"
You forgot to exclude Protestants

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>>13213391

This is academic playwords. The cultural cohesiveness of between western culture is given by the fact that we built a narrative were we developed in continuity with the past - and that's all it take to create cultural cohesiveness, that is, building your culture in relation to another, inspiring yourself to what has happened before and introducing your own changes to it. The Romans took after the Greeks and Christian culture took after both. You know that this cultural cohesiveness is what people refer to when they talk about "civilization". Academic acrobatics to deny the historical significance of people mingling and absorbing traditions from previous culture living in their own territory and nearby territories and their attempt to restructure cultural identities as separated dots that you can never interweave into what western culture has been is ridiculous and driven only by the (understandable) political necessities of the time. Like all bullshit academia, it will be obliterated in 20 years at best.

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>>13213941
>Christian slave morality is the cancer that is killing the west
Nah, its atheistic immorality and amorality coupled with atomization caused by the rapid reduction of shared values.
Your opportunistic 'master morality' is killing the civilization.

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>>13213526
How does it feel being an unwitting agent of liberal-capital imperium?
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>>13213593
Good posts.

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waaah waycist

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>>13213710
If the left gave a shit about Israel id give a shit about the left, but they don't and that's not the only reason to say fuck those hypocrites

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>>13213391
Greeks are similar to Sicillians, Cypriots etc.
All Europeans are a blend of European Hunter Gatherers, Early Middle East Farmers, and Yamnaya Steppe Herders (Aryans). Ancient Greeks are no different. The Myceaneans were fucked so hard by Aryan chads that they started speaking Indo European.

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>>13213710
Only in the narrow colonizer/colonized dynamic because it’s useful to them as a potent example. They keep themselves willfully ignorant of the ideological and economic preconditions that make Israel’s unchecked behavior possible in the first place, and in the process miss the chance to C R I T I Q U E real life Israeli domestic policies they’d consider hypothetical worst case scenarios in America.

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>>13213933
Yikes

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13215498]

>>13214876
>Le Aryan meme
The new meme is elevating Neanderthals as the superior Homo

Greeks and later European dominance has more to do with geography, flora and fauna and proximity to the ancient world

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>>13213352
A headline from their website ; "Dissertation Spotlight: Understanding the Roman Appropriation of Ancient Egyptian Religion"

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>>13215498
>>Le Aryan meme
pic related
>new meme is elevating Neanderthals
Nah, the new new meme is ghost lineages in African DNA
>geography, flora and fauna
Jesus fucking christ, put down the Jared Diamond.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB No.13215831]

>>13215807
>Jared Diamond
Braudel

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>>13215831
Does he also believe that Papuans are the smartest people in the world?

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>>13213572
yes, same reason MLK and Malcolm X are considered heroes in the US

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>>13214925
I don't think you've read or talked or heard any leftist critiques of Israel

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>>13213718
Jews are their biggest donors

[Anonymous No.13216847]

Imagine paying money to have these base sophists talk to you

I mean this is really low hanging fruit

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>>13214743
>Like all bullshit academia, it will be obliterated in 20 years at best.
Eschatological levels of cope

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>>13213782
if by that you mean he pointed out the ways it inexorably led to mass slaughter, then sure

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>>13213352
Can someone give me a summary? I'm not wasting two hours of my life watching this shit.

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>>13213975
Post-post-postmodern: man vs narrativist oversimplifications of the entire literary canon.

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>>13217204
You can watch the short QA at the time posted (45:00) for the main idea.
>Questioner suggests that the Classics should remain the Classics, retaining a focus on Western civ
>fem panelist says there is no such thing as Western Civilisation or culture
>also says, WTF THE GREEK AUTHORS YOU LISTED WERE ALL MALE
>some african panelist says that the Classics department either has to get BLACKED or burned down

[Anonymous No.13217993]

>niggers has to bring down everything to their IQ level
biggest tragedy in history was that Leopold II died

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>>13213352
unfortunately we don't have access to many African and Native American oral traditions

if we want to decolonize study of the classics we can include India, China, Japan, and Arabic/Persian culture

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>>13213352
>thoosididdies

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>>13214044
>Marxism
the worst of "socialism"

[Anonymous No.13218034]

>these retards are the people defending communism

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>>13213352
LOL