Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment is the best book ever written, and the reason Dostoevsky could even write it is because he was a Christian. No non-Christian could ever write something as valuble as Crime and Punishment.

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Anonymous Mon May 27 07:55:58 2019 No.13190675 [Reply] [Original]

Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment is the best book ever written, and the reason Dostoevsky could even write it is because he was a Christian. No non-Christian could ever write something as valuble as Crime and Punishment.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 07:56:57 2019 No.13190679 He was an atheist in denial.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 07:59:04 2019 No.13190683 >>13190675 You literally can't refute this

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 07:59:05 2019 No.13190684 >>13190675 I mean it sure is a candidate

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 07:59:09 2019 No.13190685 >>13190675 1) it's a shit book 2) it's dubious as to how sincere Dostoevsky's belief in cuckstianity was 3) atheists can and have written far better novels nice waste of a thread

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:00:03 2019 No.13190686 >Orthodox heretics >Christian Nice try Patriarch

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:02:40 2019 No.13190695 >>13190686 Orthodox Heretics sounds like a sick band name

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:04:44 2019 No.13190701 >>13190695 that's a pretty good description of the band Batushka

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:05:38 2019 No.13190706 >>13190685 >crime and fucking punishment is a shit book post your favorite books you arrogant pseud faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:08:52 2019 No.13190712 I think it's too melodramatic at parts, like when Raskolnikov is in the police station and passes out. Dostoevsky is the poor mans Tolstoy.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:12:29 2019 No.13190718 >>13190712 Yeah I'm reading it now and it's a bit disappointing. Unless you're an edgy loser self-inserting as Raskolnikov there's no reason to be invested in the novel.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:13:59 2019 No.13190721 >>13190675 It's okay but pretty shit at some points. Could be condensed down to a 300 pager or less

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:14:43 2019 No.13190725 >>13190685 Atheist cope

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:27:17 2019 No.13190755 >>13190675 Good book, but The Idiot was better

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:31:48 2019 No.13190775 >>13190686 But Vatican was the heretic with their off base interpretations of the scripture

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:32:33 2019 No.13190777 >>13190685 this

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:35:18 2019 No.13190783 >>13190685 Name one.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:35:58 2019 No.13190785 >>13190685 >atheists can and have written far better novels example?

Anonymous Mon May 27 08:38:13 2019 No.13190797

>>13190755
No, the ending was a lot better and it surely had a lot more things to say than c&p but the way it expressed those ideas through the prism of love for some dumb roasties was boring as fuck. really unlikable "love interests"/main female characters desu
>>13190685
A fedora too tight might suffocate the 3 remaining brain cells you got there, buddy

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:40:42 2019 No.13190802 >>13190797 Yes! the way Dostoevsky deep dives into the question of morality and God in Crime and Punishment is beyond any other novel. It's the most truth anyone has ever put into fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:42:35 2019 No.13190804 >>13190712 Have you ever murdered two people and then gone to a police station? It doesn't seem at all overdramatic to me, that someone would faint from that level of stress.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:49:11 2019 No.13190817 >>13190804 Yes I have been in that situation and I didn't pass out.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:49:32 2019 No.13190820 >>13190675 Amazing bait

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:50:34 2019 No.13190826 >murder >bad Good job, Dosto.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:50:37 2019 No.13190827 File: 254 KB, 334x506, 1558768729568.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13190675 FUCK ATHEISTS and FUCKKKKKK JANNIES! CHAINLINK 1K EOY

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 09:18:44 2019 No.13190929 >>13190817 pair of balls on ya, then.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 09:19:32 2019 No.13190932 >>13190675 these threads always amaze me in how insecure christfags are in their beliefs

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 09:22:24 2019 No.13190940 >>13190932 >how insecure christfags are in their beliefs Still, no-one has put forth a book by an atheist that can even get close to Crime and Punishment... Funny that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:07:51 2019 No.13191061 >>13190940 Not the guy you are replying to, but a good example of what you asked for is Moby Dick.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:09:08 2019 No.13191065 >>13190675 It’s not even the best book by Dostoevsky.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:12:20 2019 No.13191075 >>13191061 I think Melville was most likely an agnostic leaning Christian.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:27:34 2019 No.13191133 >>13190940 Short stories by Chekhov

Anonymous Mon May 27 10:45:47 2019 No.13191168
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>>13190675
Milton's Paradise Lost is the best poem ever written, and the reason Milton could even write it is because he was a Christian. No non-Christian could ever write something as valuable as Paradise Lost.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:47:22 2019 No.13191173 >>13191168 Great point, well made!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:38:20 2019 No.13191350 >>13190675 it was alright. Didn't need the extra thing on the end though.

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>>13190675
Makioka Sisters was honestly much more enthralling and meaningful to me than Crime and Punishment which read like a bad hallmark drama.
To find a Christian author who doesn't shoe-horn Christian parallelism into the novel in an obtuse way is like finding a black author who doesn't obtusely discuss race. A complete lack of subtly or tact.

Anonymous Mon May 27 14:28:17 2019 No.13192171

He wasn't Christian at all, and this book reflects that.
The narrative tells about a mans struggle to accept religion as an ideology. Dostoevsky wished he could be Christian, but was unable to do so. You completely missed the point.

Also, it can't be the best book, because like most of his work it was rushed out, since he was constantly in debts. It lacks basic editing in parts.
There's no denying it's a masterpiece, but certainly not the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 14:37:56 2019 No.13192228 File: 1.03 MB, 480x143, dost(2).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13192171 "If religion was the opium of the masses, then communism was the methamphetamine of the masses." -Dostoevsky's last TV interview, Jan 4, 1825

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 14:39:33 2019 No.13192235 >>13192171 What do you think about Demons?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 14:41:31 2019 No.13192244 >>13192235 Actually was planning on reading it in the next month or so. Can't say much until then.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 14:51:40 2019 No.13192301 >>13192244 just read the wiki page and the first five non-women goodreads reviews like everybody else, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 14:58:33 2019 No.13192331 >>13192301 Do people really do that here? I'm kinda new to the board.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:01:04 2019 No.13192337 You can't claim one book is superior to another retard, it's all a subjective standard. To me the best book ever written is Thus Spoke Zarathustra and that's fine. Retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:01:27 2019 No.13192339 >>13192331 yes , it's like on /fit/ where the majority aren't even lifting

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:06:44 2019 No.13192362 >>13190675 Cringe retard poster

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:06:51 2019 No.13192364 >>13192337 No retard, it's all relativistic, you retard. Some novels are better than others and you would have to be a retard to disagree and on top of that, Thus Spoke Zarathustra isn't even a novel, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:13:06 2019 No.13192717 >>13192337 I found the edgy nihilist!! Why don't sit in a dark room and smoke cigarettes, retard

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:26:10 2019 No.13192791 Crime and Punishment is pretty trash. Ghastly rigmarole.

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:34:39 2019 No.13192833

Well, I am an atheist in the generic sense (I don't believe in "god), but I do believe there's spirituality in the sense that some things about human psyche and the strength of human emotions are a bit more than just the chemicals that produce them - I acknowledge myself that I am the one who attributes this spiritual meaning to them, though.

However, I agree with you, OP, that book is a masterpiece, and his outlook on virtue and repentance was certainly influenced by Christianity.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:43:07 2019 No.13192886 >>13191075 He felt more like an attack helicopter to me

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:44:04 2019 No.13192892

>>13192833
>I don't believe in "god
>I do believe there's spirituality
God is exactly that spirituality (especially when you start to know it better and learn to approach it in a certain way), not whatever fedora-tier anti-religious propaganda claims God to be.

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:51:51 2019 No.13192936

>>13192892
For me spirituality is just the emotions that I attach to human interaction, what I perceive to be kindness and mutual understanding. I acknowledge they are a biochemical phenomenon, not something metaphysical, but I still attach """meaning"""" to them and I long for having them in my life. I meant that I reject god because I don't associate spirituality with anything metaphysical except for the mind (which is itself metaphysical).

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 19:20:27 2019 No.13194053 >>13192936 At that point why not just fully reject the label of spirituality and believe that great meaning can be derived from supposedly random/impersonal/material events?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 19:48:03 2019 No.13194196 File: 8 KB, 277x271, e8e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13192171 >Dostoevsky wished he could be Christian, but was unable to do so.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:00:16 2019 No.13194637 C&P is indeed a fine book, but The Brothers Karamazov is his finest achievement. Notes from Underground is damn good too.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:02:08 2019 No.13194640 >>13194196 Ha ha, great post! Do you mind if I save this image? :)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:05:22 2019 No.13194663 >>13194640 Yes I do mind It is my image, I found it Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:49:45 2019 No.13194911 File: 3 KB, 165x115, images (2).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13194640 Here you go fren

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:31:58 2019 No.13195113 >atheists only argument is “he was secretly atheist’” >a claim they have zero evidence for yet believe anyway huh

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:52:02 2019 No.13195670 not even his best...that would be Brother's Karamazov. sorry op

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:53:19 2019 No.13195673 >>13190675 did you read it in russian?

Anonymous Tue May 28 01:09:43 2019 No.13195731

>>13195113
The evidence is literally everywhere.

From his works to his journals to his numerous affairs with women while married. It was obvious the guy didn't actually believe in any of that shit and was just miming it to stay in good-graces with the culture and authorities of that time.

it's not surprising that christcucks can only give the most surface level readings of texts and can't see that the prevailing theme throughout all of his major works is the struggle to believe or prove something that can neither be believed or proven.

Dostoevsky invalidates christianity by showing again and again its impotence in the face of life and is shown to be something that must be relegated to a quaint little folky thing that the simplest of minds cling to in order to cope. he is laughing at the stupidity of christians the whole way through.

and like I said, its obvious from his personal life and private writings that he only ever handled christianity ironically.

Anonymous Tue May 28 02:39:35 2019 No.13195989
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>>13195731
>the struggle to believe or prove something that can neither be believed or proven.

Implying that this isn't a core part of what it is to be a Christian...

>he is laughing at the stupidity of christians the whole way through.

kek, you're so consumed by your bias that you can't even tell that the whole point is that rationality and logic is a stupid and dangerous way to look at the world. That even if it makes perfect logical sense to kill another human, you will end up in Hell if you do. If not the metaphysical hell, your life will turn into hell on earth. But sure, just tip your fedora and pretend that any struggle with faith means "muh' secret atheist"

>its [sic] obvious from his personal life and private writings that he only ever handled christianity ironically.

HAHAHAHAHAH never change atheists, never change.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 02:46:23 2019 No.13196017 >>13195989 >the whole point is that rationality and logic is a stupid and dangerous way to look at the world kek cuckstianity in a nutshell

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:04:10 2019 No.13196066 >>13196017 You should thank God that Christianity is the religion that took over most of the world. Otherwise, we'd still be stuck having tribal wars and fucking other dudes in the butt. also, cuckoldry is not allowed in Christianity...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 04:38:54 2019 No.13196258 >>13190679 Nope. That would be Tolstoy (Christian anarchism is a cope)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:05:13 2019 No.13196303 >>13196066 no? we'd be all enjoying the beauty of the ancient world with technologies beyond our imagination

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:13:31 2019 No.13196320 >>13190940 Fate/Stay Night

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:14:32 2019 No.13196323 >>13195731 this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:44:18 2019 No.13196390 >>13196303 > the beauty of the ancient world Sodomy, slavery, and genocide, beautiful.

Anonymous Tue May 28 06:07:11 2019 No.13196431

>>13196390
>Sodomy
no
>slavery
it's only bad if your owner is a retard.
>genocide
what genocide

You know what really is beautiful? The celebration of life, the acceptance of human body, the sound of nature not being swallowed by cars, the clean air, the motivation to fight for your country, and most importantly the connection with other human beings which we exchanged for technology.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:29:21 2019 No.13196487 >>13190685 based, mass cope from the religious lunatics inc

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:38:51 2019 No.13196509 >>13192171 >He wasn't Christian at all objectively false

Anonymous Tue May 28 06:40:18 2019 No.13196512
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>>13196431
>>13196303
>No sodomy
>What is Greece, Nineveh, Babylon, etc.
>Technologies beyond our imagination
>B-but no cars or any ideas that come with technogical advancement, like Nihilism!
>Christianity means no-no to the human body
Except for all of the nude art that came out of Christians, more detailed and captured than even much of the ancient world. Unless what you really want are Mesopotamian and Indus valley carvings of fucking, which is different
>Pride in your ancient country
Unless you lived in a city state, almost any "country" back then was multiculti empire with more than one language (China, Egypt, Assyria, India, Babylon, etc.) and probably tons of sodomy. Seriously, Monotheism is the only thing keeping trains of strange dick out of your ass

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:43:29 2019 No.13196524 >>13196431 >the connection with other human beings which we exchanged for technology. Wait, the post I first replied to said they would have more technology...? which is it? Did Christianity ruin technology, or did it make technology take over?

Anonymous Tue May 28 06:44:38 2019 No.13196526
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>>13196303
>If we didn't have Christianity we'd have technologies beyond our imagination!
>>13196431
>If we didn't have Christianity we wouldn't have damned cars, air pollution, and technological distractions!

?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:45:34 2019 No.13196529 >>13196431 > what genocide Pick one, I don't care which. How about the Celts? >>Sodomy >no What!?, no sodomy in ancient times... sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:51:31 2019 No.13196547 >>13195670 Confirmed for not having read any of them. Crime and Punishment is infinitely better.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:53:12 2019 No.13196550 >>13196431 >patriotism >wanting to belong to an abstract conglomerate of people to feel accepted Cringe But the rest, I do agree

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:02:57 2019 No.13196581 >>13190675 kill yourself fucking scum t. Orthodox

Anonymous Tue May 28 07:05:29 2019 No.13196588

>>13195731
Jesus Christ, you're a fucking idiot. And I'm not a Christian, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But seriously, anyone who believes that Dostoevsky is an undercover fedora tipper is a brainlet of the highest caliber who literally reads at a below high school level and has no business attempting to analyze the themes of a mature work of literature, which have clearly went right over your head. This is honestly the dumbest take I've ever read on this board. I don't even know where to begin...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:06:40 2019 No.13196592 >>13196431 > it's only bad if your owner is a retard. So about a 50-50 chance then?

Anonymous Tue May 28 07:13:47 2019 No.13196609

>>13195731
Funny that no scholar, biographer, critic, or literary authority of any kind has ever suggested this. Clearly they are wrong and an anonymous zoomer on a Chinese knitting forum who has only just dipped his toe into grownup literature has all the answers. Yes, the reason Dostoevsky has all his nihilists go mad, kill themselves, or convert to Christianity is because he is actually laughing at religion like some STEMfag redditor.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:16:20 2019 No.13196613 >>13195731 i'm embarrassed that i post on a board with people this obtuse. god i hope you're underage.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:17:56 2019 No.13196616 >>13190785 Unironically Finnegans Wake

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:18:59 2019 No.13196619 >>13190797 >muh fedora memes What is this, 2013?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:24:32 2019 No.13196633 >>13196609 >Funny that no scholar, biographer, critic, or literary authority of any kind has ever suggested this. Shklovsky has suggested this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:27:00 2019 No.13196645 >>13190685 > it's dubious as to how sincere Dostoevsky's belief in cuckstianity was where are you people getting this shit? we're talking about a guy who was torn on whether benjamin disraeli or the pope was the antichrist. lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:27:10 2019 No.13196646 >>13192228 There was tvs in 1825?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:28:33 2019 No.13196651 >>13196633 >a Jewish puppet of Soviet literary culture would specifically reframe Dostoyevsky as athiest I wonder why

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:30:54 2019 No.13196659 >>13196651 He makes a pretty compelling argument though, but I’m not sure that the essay on Dostoyevsky where he makes it has been translated

Anonymous Tue May 28 07:34:13 2019 No.13196670

>>13196633
>Shklovsky

I haven't read him, so I can't comment, but this is so obviously a crank opinion that I can't see why anyone with even a cursory familiarity with Dostoevsky's work and its themes would take it seriously. Maybe there's a more nuanced version of this take, but the idea that Dostoevsky must be an anti-Christian atheist because he had affairs (lol) or because he struggled with his faith is not a viewpoint worth engaging.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:38:17 2019 No.13196688 >>13190685 >Everyone I like is an atheist or secretly an atheist Lol atheishits laugh at this who believe in god because muh évidence but then believe shit like Dosteivesky was an atheist without any evidence

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:39:22 2019 No.13196690 >>13191168 Based

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:40:53 2019 No.13196694 >>13195731 Dostoevsky was self-aware he wasn't a role model. Did you read TBK? He reflects on that with his self-insert that literally has the same name as him.

Anonymous Tue May 28 08:07:01 2019 No.13196763

>>13196670
Shklovsky’s take is much more nuanced than that. He claims that even though Dostoyevsky was a Christian, he nonetheless didn’t believe that Christianity was factually correct. His belief was ultimately paradoxical, and perhaps not entirely sincere.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 08:07:08 2019 No.13196764 >>13196547 That’s not gonna work buddy. I’ve read his big 5 twice. Crime and Punishment is great but everything special about it is present in a greater form in TBK.

Anonymous Tue May 28 09:06:48 2019 No.13196980

>>13196764
No, I do not agree, sorry. In CnP, the psychosis the MC is suffering from is explored in a much more intimate and raw way, you can feel the insanity creeping up through his mind like an arthropod. BK is much more focused on individuals being generally dysfunctional and miserable, it doesn't feel as "fundamental" to me in the thematics explored, like power over life and death, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 09:20:34 2019 No.13197036 >>13192717 Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist but ok.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 09:33:27 2019 No.13197116 File: 130 KB, 610x390, original_big.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone else think Fyodor was super cute?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:15:47 2019 No.13197800 Atheism once again proves how cult like it is becoming. They have to convince themselves nobody intelligent could truly be religious because their entire philosophy is based around intellectualism

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:21:56 2019 No.13197839 >>13196980 TBK is a far, far better exploration of the need for faith. Besides, you can’t tell me anything in C&P is anywhere near the quality found in the Grand Inquisitor chapter + Ivan’s hallucination with the devil

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:23:50 2019 No.13197851 >>13197839 I didn't read that one, still need to, so I cannot comment on that. The need for faith is not really a theme that inspires me, so obviously for me BK is subjectively less interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:24:35 2019 No.13197857 does anyone here even finish the book? it's boring as shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:25:00 2019 No.13197860 >>13197851 Wait, scratch that, I somehow cannot for the life of me remember that passage in TBK....

Anonymous Tue May 28 12:30:58 2019 No.13197891

>>13197800
It's a quick way to satisfy your intellectual ego, without having actually achieved anything. That's the reason it's becoming so rampart with younger people. It's an easy dopamine kick of feeling superior. It's ironic with so many of them and the nihilists spamming the "cope" meme, they really don't realize they are coping more than anyone around them.

I guess this what Dostoevsky meant when he said it's easier to throw yourself in the fire to appease yourself, rather than to dedicate your life in working towards something you believe in.

Anonymous Tue May 28 12:32:15 2019 No.13197900

>>13197800
>They have to convince themselves nobody intelligent could truly be religious
>nobody intelligent today* could truly be religious
Sure in the past you have guys like Leibniz and Newton who were probably legitimately religous, but that was mainly because they didn't have any option.

but it's obvious that even as far back as Galileo that being intelligent meant being at odds to religion. In fact guys like Leibniz probably kept up their faith because they didn't want to be censored like Galileo had. they were smart enough to see the futility of it.

but all of that changed as things progressed and by the mid to late 18th century it was perfectly fine to be mainstream and nonreligious (Schopenhauer, Baudelaire, Hegel, Nietzsche etc). but theree were still some holdout countries where you had to be religious to avoid being thrown in jail or disenfranchised.

you can see the stark mockery and irony towards religion in Dostoevsky's writings if you're not blinded by the meme of "muh orthodox writer"

it's basically impossible to be intelligent and religious today though due to: 1) all of the advancements in the sciences and 2) the ability to be nonreligious if you so choose. if Descartes had been born in the 1950s, the dude wouldn't have even given religion a second thought. it's why there's no prominent christian philosophers or scientists anymore or really have been since the turn of the 20th century

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:44:17 2019 No.13197966 >>13197839 Horse dream and Plague dream are TBK tier desu senpai

Anonymous Tue May 28 12:46:37 2019 No.13197979

>>13197900
Or maybe those people could differentiate the two from one another. What motivated them to greatness was to discover how life worked, how things really are in the universe, and to do that they had to ask questions. You really think as smart people they didn't dabble in religion to find the answers of life? Newton studied Alchemy and other occult studies. Galileo was into astrology. Being smart doesn't mean you are born with a big know it all brain, it's a set of mind. Those people dedicated their life to hard work, and didn't just turn their backs to anything that seemed to disagree with them. That's how doctrines are broken.

Modern atheists are mostly retarded. They just throw their hands in the air and go "Nah, it ain't so, this doesn't fit with my viewpoint". Keep reading Dawkins, Harris, or other simplistic philosophy written for drooling retards who need their thoughts chewed, too simple to fully gasp anything that needs a bit of brain effort on their part. Do you think any of these people will brake a doctrine in a scientific field? I wouldn't count on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:50:23 2019 No.13197995 >>13190804 >"Have (You) ever sacked the city of Troy as a Myrmidon?" >"Have (You) ever loved Juliet of House Capulet? Your first sentence contradicts your second.

Anonymous Tue May 28 13:10:38 2019 No.13198087 [DELETED]

I know this is a bait thread but

notable not Christians
>Homer
>Pindar
>Aeschylus
>Herodotus
>Thucydides
>Sophocles
>Euripides
>Aristophanes
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Virgil
>Horace
>Cattulus
>Confucius
>Laozi
>Zhuangzi
>Luo Guanzhong
>Shi Nai'an
>Wu Cheng'en
>Cao Xueqin
>Vyasa
>Buddha
>Adi Shankara
>Melville
>Yeats
>Walt Whitman
>Tolstoy
>Nietzsche
>Artaud
>Beckett
>Bernhard
>Calvino
>Chekhov
>Cioran
>Camus
>Coatzee
>Conrad
>Eco
>George Eliot
>Gass
>Ibsen
>Kafka
>Leopardi
>Lovecraft
>Primo Levi
>Miller
>Musil
>Neruda
>Proust
>Rimbaud
>Saramago
>Shelley
>Wells
>Woolf
>Derrida
>Deleuze
>Foucault
>Baudrillard
>Adorno
>Benjamin
>Horkheimer
>Bataille
>Kojeve
>Barthes
>Schopenhauer
>Dewey
>Hume
>Lucretius
>Lyotard
>Stirner
>Spinoza
>Whitehead
>Shaw
>DFW
>Pynchon
>Wittgenstein
>Schrödinger
>thousands of anonymous writers

Anonymous Tue May 28 13:16:23 2019 No.13198113

>>13197900
>you can see the stark mockery and irony towards religion in Dostoevsky's writings if you're not blinded by the meme of "muh orthodox writer"

Dostoevsky was an Orthodox Christian. This isn't up for debate. The only place you encounter anything resembling "mockery" of religion in his work is in the portrayal of the character of Father Ferapont from The Brothers Karamazov whose superstition/extreme asceticism/religious fundamentalism/etc. was clearly meant to be a source of parody, and in Dostoevsky's general attitude towards Catholicism and Protestantism, both of which he regarded as destructive, and even anti-Christian, for different reasons. The problem is you don't understand the context for these things, so you absurdly confuse intra-religious disputes with your adolescent disdain for religion. You're like the conservatives who interpret Orwell as some sort of American-style free market libertarian because he opposed Stalinism.

>>13197891 nailed it. The over-the-top pettiness in your post betrays the extent to which your insecure, dopamine addled brain has been warped by watching 50 Times Richard Dawkins Went Beast Mode videos.

Anonymous Tue May 28 13:18:41 2019 No.13198121

I know this is a bait thread but

notable not Christians
>Homer
>Pindar
>Aeschylus
>Herodotus
>Thucydides
>Sophocles
>Euripides
>Aristophanes
>Plato
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>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 13:24:30 2019 No.13198139 >>13197036 kek, I know, I was calling YOU a nihilist, dummy.

Anonymous Tue May 28 13:26:41 2019 No.13198152

>>13197900
>countries where you had to be religious to avoid being thrown in jail or disenfranchised.

Lmao. You know that plenty of Russian writers during Dostoevsky's day were openly atheist and hostile towards religion, right? You weren't thrown in jail for purely for questioning religion. Irreverence towards religion was, if anything, en vogue among much of the upper class in 19th century Russia. But keep talking out of your ass I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 13:27:56 2019 No.13198163 >>13197900 You know that Descartes most famous line, is followed up by an affirmation of God being real, right?

Anonymous Tue May 28 13:31:57 2019 No.13198186

>>13197995
Het, look, it's a retard who doesn't understand the concept of genre... kys

Also, I was saying that: trying to claim it's an unrealistic or overly dramatised scene is ridiculous BECAUSE EVEN IN REAL LIFE that's something that could very plausibly happen. As in, it's not far fetched, as in it's not overly dramatic to have a character faint in that situation.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 13:34:11 2019 No.13198206 >>13197900 please leave. this is a board for melancholy nihilists, tortured agnostics, catholic/orthodox larpers, and weirdo pantheists and mystics. nuatheists who think that popular science writers have all the answers are not welcome.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 13:42:10 2019 No.13198231 >>13198139 you're giving him way too much credit. he's just some reddit atheist who thinks fuck and suck neoliberalism is the end all be all. he hates religion because of the flying spaghetti monster meme or some gay shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 13:45:00 2019 No.13198248 >>13190675 not bad, indeed, but the brothers Karamazov is superior in every way

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:00:52 2019 No.13198323 File: 647 KB, 750x812, 1542792155680.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ITT: another atheist vs christian thread Dostoievski could dig deep into human soul. He understood human behaviour. Was this guy a psychologist?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:04:20 2019 No.13198346 >>13191168 >Paradife loft

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:56:03 2019 No.13198625 >>13198323 Some authors can just sort of “tell the truth”. He’s one of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:57:05 2019 No.13198632 >>13198121 >uses christian to avoid that most of these people still believed in some form of god or higher power lmaooo

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:59:00 2019 No.13198642 >>13198206 There are loads of legit theists here, and dare I say they are the highest IQ posters

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:08:28 2019 No.13198685 >>13192228 >his eyes too close together in the last panel lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:11:04 2019 No.13198703 >>13192364 >Thus Spoke Zarathustra isn't even a novel, you retard. anon............

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:11:48 2019 No.13198706 you pig americans just don't get it do you

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