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Is this good? Are his ideas still properly Marxist in the last instance.

Who are the other most important Marxist writers working today?

>> No.13184955
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Marxism is dead (for good reason). Xi Jingping isn't even communist anymore. The Communist Party has been described as pragmatist. They're only communist in name.

>> No.13184982

>>13184955
Lol talk about talking through your ass. Xi has talked about the plan to reach the socialist state of development.

>> No.13184985
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Singapore is more impressive, desu senpai

>> No.13184999

>>13184955
Why did you post this picture? Why? I could have gone my ENTIRE LIFE without seeing this picture. You have just robbed me of a blissfully ignorant elysium of the eldrich horrors within humanity. Now I can never forget this image. Curse your great grandchildren.

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>>13184999
checked

>> No.13185030

>>13184926
Not OP but bumping, has anyone read the book and can comment on it?

>> No.13185052

>>13184955
He said last year Marxism was more important than ever and needs to be followed by the party though.

>> No.13185073

>>13185052
And I'm sure Marxism to him is some shit about how the CPC is the vanguard of the perpetual revolution and so needs to centralize even more authority.

>> No.13185251

>>13185052
Marxist dialectics are irrelevant in modern China. Xi said not too long ago that socialism and nationalism are inseparable. So much for your international proletarian dictatorship.

>> No.13185270

>>13185251
That is not only based, but not new to Marxist though.
An example from my own country is the socialist revolutionary James Connolly who said exactly this. Lenin himself, while not exactly on board with the idea for its own sake, saw utility in nationalism for socialist revolution.
Marxism is supposed to evolve, not stick rigidly to the personal opinions of Marx on things like Nationalism.

>> No.13185278

>>13184955
China is 100% command economy outside of urban areas. They're more communists than the past few years of the USSR.
Also, China would institutionalize mentally ill people like the thing in your picture.

They're based and you are just upset that you're not as based as they are.

>> No.13185283

>>13184955
>I just can't into Dengism

>> No.13185296

>>13185251
Communist China grows out of antiimperialism, Vietnam/Vietcong as well, and both had to pragmatically ally with a nationalism to understand oppressor/oppressed along national lines. I do agree communism cannot be built in one nation in theory, but you have to play the field

>> No.13185303

>>13185251
Internationalism to the point where you no longer have a state defeats the point of it. The only real way to accomplish internationalism is global domination through war. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking, counterproductive even if you consider people act primarily out of self interest and will oppose foolhardy attempts at international cooperation.

>> No.13185316

>>13185052
and donald trump keeps saying he wants to do infrastructure

>> No.13185350

>>13185052
And?
China has basically become the factory of the world and how many workers there are owning the means of production and what exactly is the CPC doing to increase that number?

>>13185278
>China is 100% command economy outside of urban areas
But "China outside of urban areas" is basically meaningless, its whole global relevancy is purely based on its enormous amounts of manufacturing infrastructure.

China is nationalist-pragmatist, its as capitalist as capitalism is beneficial to China and as communist as communism is beneficial to China, all that under a very thin red veil, because change (especially the most meaningless, like flags and names) is frightening.
(And that's a good thing (at least for the Chinese))

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>>13184985
>Singapore is poised to become the new world superpower

>>13185316
And the western oligarchs who run things don’t. Too expensive.

>other Marxist writers working today?
I like Wolff and Cockshott

>> No.13185365

>>13185350
They don't need global relevancy now.

>> No.13185369

>>13185350
>nationalist-pragmatist
I think you just pulled this term out of your ass.

>> No.13185373

>>13185369
Yeah, I thought that much was obvious.

>> No.13185379

>>13185369
same place I pulled out your faggot brother's cock out of

>> No.13185391

>>13185365
Why not?
They control a very large part of manufacturing on this world which puts them, globally in a very great position, why would they let that go?

>> No.13185459

>>13185355
>cockbutt
he's a joke

>> No.13185594

>>13185030

It's a meme-and I figured this was the case when I got my copies. I own both volumes, have actually paged through it, and have actually read the very first piece where he thanks the party for installing him as president.

It's an extremely dry collection of speeches and well-coiffed, official writings/pronouncements on the various aspects of Chinese society. As such, the prose itself is very dull. It's also in a Chinese tradition of speeches/writings of politicians being collected together in a volume. The most obvious precursor is Mao's little red book, but there's also the Book of Documents, one of the Chinese Classics that collects speechifying and sayings from various prominent ancients.

The purpose of the book is roughly the same as any book put out by a presidential candidate-not to serve as great literature or to contain interesting ideas, but to announce to the world "see, I did a a book".

One interesting passage: Xi very precisely namedrops like 20+ western philosophers/writers that he's read, enough to make /lit/ blush:

"I have read many classics of philosophy and social sciences. Among them are Politica by Plato, Politics by Aristotle, Utopia by Thomas More, City of the Sun by Tommaso Campanella, Two Treatises of Government by John Locke, The Spirit of Laws by Montesquieu, The Social Contract by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Federalist Papers by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay, Elements of the Philosophy of Right by George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, On War by Clausewitz, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, An Essay on the Principle of Population by Malthus, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by Keynes, Theory of Economic Development by Joseph Schumpeter, Economics by Paul Samuelson, Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, and Economic Growth of Nations by Simon Kuznets. My impression is that they are unexceptionally the product of their times and the result of pondering over and delving into prominent conflicts of a given society at a given time." -Xi

>> No.13185635

>>13185350
It is the factory of the world as this is the first step towards socialism - > first the nation must industrialize. The next stage will see the shift to collective and state ownership of the MoP, and changes to the DoL

>> No.13185642

>>13185594
>Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
Hmmmmmm

>> No.13185648

>>13185594
Is Marxist democratic centralism Philosopher kings?

>> No.13185650

>>13185251
based nazi chinaman, now i want one for Europe =)

>> No.13185672

>>13185635
Okay, so when will we see the first western (or Chinese) companies being disowned and their factory workers being given the Means of Production.
Are you holding your breath for next week? Because China has been industrialized for quite some time...

>> No.13185677

>>13185459
Your momma makes you suck horses off. Why should we trust your word?

>> No.13185678

>>13185672
This is the scariest part. It may never happen. My guess is 50 years from now, you must admit they could not do it today without destroying the nation. The BRI I think extends so much power that it will be easier.

To me at least it is much more hopeful than american grocery store co-ops and community gardens lmao

>> No.13185682

>>13185678
laughing my ass off

>> No.13185701

>>13185678
So your entire hope rests upon a currently enormously successful upcoming superpower suddenly radically realigning its entire economic system into a, at least on this scale, completely untried (I am trying to be generous here) system?

>> No.13185708

>>13185682
The trade infrastructure will be sufficiently controlled by the Chinese that the state can legislate workers ownership for factory corps like Foxconn while preventing competition in non-worker states that have slave labor from undercutting their manufacturing.

>> No.13185722

>>13185701
Yes pretty much but I think it will be 50-100 year transition guided by Marx

>> No.13185857

>>13185278
>China is 100% command economy outside of urban areas
You're literally going on the internet and making things up

>> No.13185888

>>13185369
Combining two different words is a lot better than making up new ones or changing old definitions.

>> No.13186782

>>13185278
China sucks though, bootlicker

>> No.13186790

>>13185391
They only need to expand their population and focus on military conquest at this point.

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>>13184926
It's simple

>> No.13186823

>>13186819
Translate it.

>> No.13186835
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以热爱祖国为荣 以危害祖国为耻
Honor to those who love the motherland, and shame on those who harm the motherland.
以服务人民为荣 以背离人民为耻
Honor to those who serve the people, and shame on those who betray the people.
以崇尚科学为荣 以愚昧无知为耻
Honor to those who quest for science, and shame on those who refuse to be educated.
以辛勤劳动为荣 以好逸恶劳为耻
Honor to those who are hardworking, and shame on those who indulge in comfort and hate work.
以团结互助为荣 以损人利己为耻
Honor to those who help each other, and shame on those who seek gains at the expense of others.
以诚实守信为荣 以见利忘义为耻
Honor to those who are trustworthy, and shame on those who trade integrity for profits.
以遵纪守法为荣 以违法乱纪为耻
Honor to those who abide by law and discipline, and shame on those who break laws and discipline.
以艰苦奋斗为荣 以骄奢淫逸为耻
Honor to those who uphold plain living and hard struggle, and shame on those who wallow in extravagance and pleasures.

>> No.13186870

>>13186835
Is he Christian or something?

>> No.13186883

>>13186835
>Honor to those who help each other
He hasn't been in certain /gif/ threads I assume...

>> No.13187404

>>13186883
It's prescriptive not descriptive.

>> No.13188746

>>13186835
I doubt he and his friends follow that last one

>> No.13188796

>>13184999
It's communism in person form

>> No.13188832

>>13186870
He could be a secret Christian, there are at least a few converts in the CCP that are hiding their power level. Within a century at least 40% of China will probably be Christian.

>> No.13188864

>>13185350
>China is nationalist-pragmatist, its as capitalist as capitalism is beneficial to China and as communist as communism is beneficial to China,
Fucking based.
t. Oswald Mosley

>> No.13189766

>>13185459
Cockshott is the smartest man living.