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Anonymous Fri May 24 18:17:19 2019 No.13176119 [Reply] [Original]

*is right about literally everything he predicted*
How did he do it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:25:27 2019 No.13176170 Used vague wording and borrowed ideas

Anonymous Fri May 24 18:36:15 2019 No.13176247
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Only thing I kind of disagree with him on is art. Western art has definitely been degenerating since 1800 but atleast somewhat meaningful art has been created up to around the year 2000. Now we are really seeing the stale repetition in art he predicted.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:37:31 2019 No.13176259 >>13176119 jesus christ marie

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:39:26 2019 No.13176269 >>13176247 >somewhat meaningful art all humans produce 'somewhat meaningful art' but the art that Cultures produce is a distinct thing and infused with metaphysical significance related to that Culture's prime symbol(according to Spengler)

Anonymous Fri May 24 18:49:55 2019 No.13176326

>>13176269
It's true that art between 1900-2000 has lost the metaphysical epochal style of classical music and painting but it still appeals to the Western idea of art and there was quite a bit of creativity left in it. I think the period 1800-2000 corresponds to the Hellenistic period of art in ancient Greece. In 2019 art is definitely finished, though there are individual musicians and directors who still have the creative flair, the age of Roman copies of Greek sculpture is here. All popular music sounds the same and Hollywood is obsessed with remakes and reimaginings. No more great art is possible from the 21st century on.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:54:50 2019 No.13176351 He didn't predict that the West would go down the drain as quickly as it did as he didn't predict the US ruling the world.

Anonymous Fri May 24 19:09:04 2019 No.13176431

>>13176351
In Spengler's philosophy the USA becoming the most powerful Western state is Incident, not Destiny. It's Destiny that one state would rise above all the rest in its Warring States period, but which state is Incident. What Spengler cautioned against was the English idea of liberal politics, basically pussyfooting around and only caring about money as the deciding factor of politics, which by extension is also the US idea of politics. That's why he called for authoritarian Prussian politics to create a strong Roman or Qin style state. His fear was that foreigners would use Western technology against it and liberal English style politics would be thoroughly unable to prevent that from happening, or put up a fight if it did. And then the fucking retard Adolf Hitler doomed the West when he declared war on the entire world and allowed liberal English politics to infect every Western state when he was defeated.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:51:09 2019 No.13176638 >>13176170 >borrowed ideas This doesn't make any sense once you understand that ideas control and have people, rather than it being the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:52:14 2019 No.13176644 >>13176431 >And then the fucking retard Adolf Hitler doomed the West when he declared war on the entire world >declared war on the entire world I don't remember this.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 22:26:57 2019 No.13177307 File: 40 KB, 500x636, Bl+Karl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13176431 The wrong side won the weltkrieg

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:07:32 2019 No.13177960 >>13176431 he predicted China stealing the west's technology? how the fuck did he figure these things out?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:13:58 2019 No.13177983 >>13176644 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdtafGdIVM a refresher for you

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:18:51 2019 No.13178005 does anyone have more based quotes than him? https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/88483.Oswald_Spengler

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:19:27 2019 No.13178008 File: 142 KB, 728x1059, OA2Tmki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] re-reading this now. Spengler is the coolest

Anonymous Sat May 25 01:24:50 2019 No.13178027

>>13178005
>For the Age has itself become vulgar, and most people have no idea to what extent they are themselves tainted. The bad manners of all parliaments, the general tendency to connive at a rather shady business transaction if it promises to bring in money without work, jazz and Negro dances as the spiritual outlet in all circles of society, women painted like prostitutes, the efforts of writers to win popularity by ridiculing in their novels and plays the correctness of well-bred people, and the bad taste shown even by the nobility and old princely families in throwing off every kind of social restraint and time-honoured custom: all of these go to prove that it is now the vulgar mob that gives the tone.

he wrote this 100 years ago
that's how bad things were back then
imagine how he'd feel seeing things today

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 05:03:47 2019 No.13178574 I just wanted to thank the legendary Anon that got Kissinger's thesis on him uploaded.

Anonymous Sat May 25 05:05:52 2019 No.13178578

>>13177960
>I see further than others because I can look beyond the veil of ideologies and political desires
Don't remember the exact quote but he said something to that effect in Prussian Socialism
Reading his stuff nowadays it's easy to see why he might have been disregarded as just another doom mongerer in his time but pretty much every thing he said would happen has happened, it's honestly mind blowing that he was writing before world war 2 even happened

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:06:02 2019 No.13178700 >>13178574 hey thanks, I'm pretty much always lurking in every Spengler thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:11:11 2019 No.13178709 >>13178574 >>13178700 What is this Link

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:17:46 2019 No.13178726 >>13178027 Sounds like something an incel would write. >Be too incelious to have fun like other people >Complain

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:19:45 2019 No.13178732 >>13178726 Post body

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:32:27 2019 No.13178760 >>13178574 I spend too much time here cause I remember that thread

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:58:13 2019 No.13178835 bunch o’ schizo itt desu

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:04:31 2019 No.13178854 He's wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:36:00 2019 No.13178925 >>13178854 how? west is pretty much exactly as he predicted culture has degenerated to repetition and profanity people's main concerns are material comforts and amusing distractions third world has utilised our technology against us

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:45:05 2019 No.13178950 >>13178925 He can't argue it, he just leaves oneliners with lol you wrong lol you schizo, its what butthurt leftists do

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:59:25 2019 No.13178974 >>13178925 How has the third world used our tech against us?

Anonymous Sat May 25 08:17:54 2019 No.13179016

>>13178974
India and specifically China are now challenging the West for global hegemony using the West's own technics against it. A state must always be ready for war, the very existence of the state itself is a sign of the people's readiness for war, and by allowing the coloured nations to be able to challenge the West in any way is the absolute failure of modern Western states

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:21:49 2019 No.13179024 >>13179016 >using the West's own technics against it. How? What are they doing exactly? China building a bunch of skyscrapers and India finally figuring out the toilet is not threatening in any way.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:26:59 2019 No.13179033 >>13179024 China and India both have nukes

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:29:21 2019 No.13179037 >>13179033 and they haven't used them against the west

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:30:07 2019 No.13179038 >>13178700 >>13178574 i was looking for this the other day and couldn't find it. show me the light.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:30:26 2019 No.13179040 File: 23 KB, 645x773, 1558741174190.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13179037 North Korea has threatened the US who knows how many times now. Just having nukes gives you relevance.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:31:48 2019 No.13179042 >>13179040 >being afraid of best korea are you, dare i say it, retarded perhaps?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:32:50 2019 No.13179044 >>13179042 Guam took North Korea's threats seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:34:40 2019 No.13179049 File: 92 KB, 740x663, 1555385528884.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13179033 >>13179037 >>13179040 >>13179042 >>13179044 nukes aren't real

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:36:57 2019 No.13179052 >>13179044 >a bunch of polynesians equals the west so is this what spengler predicted? that some gook dictator in the far future was going to make vague threats to keep the still imperialistic west from invading his personal kingdom?

Anonymous Sat May 25 08:40:07 2019 No.13179062

>>13179052
he meant that the west was going to have to respect the increased political leverage of then-destitute countries (i.e. wouldn't be able to continue simply marching in and claiming things are theirs, violently putting down uprisings, etc) as their access to technique and technology increased, sorry you can't into geopolitics

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:44:47 2019 No.13179071 >>13176259 laughed out loud

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:55:49 2019 No.13179102 >>13179062 >in the future things will be different quite the nostradamus this spengler guy. the brown hoard is still our bitch, and they won't conquer us anytime soon

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:58:10 2019 No.13179108 File: 815 KB, 1164x546, ymzeipty47e21.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13179102 here's to hoping

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:00:52 2019 No.13179111 >>13179108 did spengler, as early as 1920, predict the people would emigrate to the us?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:25:05 2019 No.13179172 >>13178709 >>13179038 https://archive.org/details/HenryAKissingerTheMeaningOfHistoryReflectionsOnSpenglerToynbeeAndKant/page/n8

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:26:24 2019 No.13179176 File: 61 KB, 1000x800, 1524019796886.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13179172 based

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:32:04 2019 No.13179192 >>13176259 Holy crap!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 10:14:56 2019 No.13179294 >>13176638 Kys pseud

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