>hodor means hold the door >naming a dragon drogon >raider man mance rayder >the snowy land is called winterfell >the western land is called Westeros >the eastern land is called essos >the southern land is called sothoryos >the northern land is simply called "The North"

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Anonymous Fri May 24 15:20:40 2019 No.13175152 [Reply] [Original]

>hodor means hold the door
>naming a dragon drogon
>raider man mance rayder
>the snowy land is called winterfell
>the western land is called Westeros
>the eastern land is called essos
>the southern land is called sothoryos
>the northern land is simply called "The North"

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:25:18 2019 No.13175184 I noticed this too. Geographical and place names are forgivable but 'hold the door', 'drogon' and 'mance rayder' cannot be pardoned.

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:28:45 2019 No.13175199

>place where the king lives is called King's Landing
>wall that holds back the zombies is simply called The Wall
>big mountain of man is called The Mountain
>house that resembles the Lancasters is called the Lannisters
>house that resembles the Yorks is called the Starks
>city that resembles Qart Hadasht is simply called Qarth

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:32:12 2019 No.13175209 Is hold the door book canon?

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:48:47 2019 No.13175302

I have not read the books but isn't that a bit nit picky? Yeah usually when you create something new you also want it to resemble something that people know already so that it doesn't become so confusing with all the hundereds of different characters that you have in your epic fantasy.
It seems like and obvious "lol what a shit writer with no creativity!!" but it would be pretty amateur move to name every place, character and creature in a way that would not be recognizable for a fresh reader. You don't want to make epic fantasy more complicated than it has to be.
Again I have never read the books but I just hate retarded takes like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:55:01 2019 No.13175332 >>13175302 You're the retard, buddy.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:58:28 2019 No.13175348 >>13175152 What are we, some kind of... suicide squad? or better: Who are you, some kind of Han... Solo?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:02:29 2019 No.13175368 >>13175332 >the state of /lit/ threads

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:02:57 2019 No.13175371 That's how countries and places are named irl though. What do you think the names Austria, Iceland and Norway mean?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:11:46 2019 No.13175406 File: 19 KB, 550x343, 1488910467945.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the lands where it's always winter is called The Lands of Always Winter based american tolkien

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:13:14 2019 No.13175416 >>13175371 >Iceland >look it up >it's real holy fuck who came up with this awful name

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:17:58 2019 No.13175437 >>13175209 >lol Scarlett had kids or what? That is going to be GRRM reply.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:20:38 2019 No.13175447 >>13175199 I thought it was Qarthadastim

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:24:18 2019 No.13175460 >>13175371 But Iceland is green and Greenland is icy...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:28:47 2019 No.13175480 >>13175460 >unironically believing your common core indoctrination have you ever seen Greenland or Iceland?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:34:42 2019 No.13175517 >>13175480 >>13175460 Greenland is indeed 75% ice, and it was named so by Erik the Red because he believed it would attract more settlers.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:39:14 2019 No.13175548 >>13175517 wrong actually go to Greenland brainlet you will see it is the breadbasket of the North Pole stop believing Danish propaganda

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:40:44 2019 No.13175558 >>13175152 https://youtu.be/Cv6tgnx6jTQ

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:43:06 2019 No.13175575 >>13175548 That makes sense, seeing as nobody within the Arctic Circle is eating bread. It's seal blubber and fermented fish for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Anonymous Fri May 24 16:54:03 2019 No.13175640

>>13175152
>a dragon named Xyxarstryx
>a raider named Quarquoth the Omnirus
>snowy land is called Uumuuturuumuu
>the western land is called Grazxgruw
>the eastern land is called The Altar of the Flames of Gobo Rah
Honestly I really appreciated him not abusing us with a million confusing proper nouns like most of fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 17:45:52 2019 No.13175918 >>13175152 Drogon was named more after Kal Drogo than because he’s a dragon

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 17:50:27 2019 No.13175953 >>13175406 >implying this isn’t how euros used to name their countries anyway, just in a language that pushes it all into one extremely hard to say word like Túytraðljóst that simply means “land that has snow” or some garbage like that

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 17:53:38 2019 No.13175968 >>13175371 What DOES Norway mean?

Anonymous Fri May 24 17:56:02 2019 No.13175992

>>13175640
Playing Crusader Kings 2 outside of Europe is like this

>You are Chalkidut ut-Gypmogh, the Beylerdyrib of Sadnysysupahkrut

>>13175953
>land of scots
>call it scotland

>country is a bunch of states
>call it united states

>country is on an island
>call it ireland

Who comes up with this shit?

>>13175968
North way

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 17:57:19 2019 No.13176000 >>13175992 >North way I don't know what I expected but I'm disappointed

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:09:31 2019 No.13176078 File: 7 KB, 300x300, uhhh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >joaquin stick

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:11:40 2019 No.13176088 File: 60 KB, 444x499, George RR Brainlet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HOLD THE DOOR. BEND THE KNEE. BURN THEM ALL.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:15:11 2019 No.13176109 >>13175640 t. brainlet

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 18:27:46 2019 No.13176188 >>13175992 >Krungthepmahanakhon Amonrattanakosin Mahintharayutthaya Mahadilokphop Noppharatratchathaniburirom Udomratchaniwetmahasathan Amonphimanawatansathit Sakkathattiyawitsanukamprasit why are asians so autistic bros?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 21:01:13 2019 No.13176984 >>13175199 >Others >Zombies

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 21:09:04 2019 No.13177023 >insecure fat guy is a self-insert for the insecure fat author

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 21:15:32 2019 No.13177042 >>13177023 It honestly wouldn't be much worse if he himself played Sam Tarly. At least it would be honest, instead of making some random actor look like a complete schmuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:30:54 2019 No.13177620 >>13175199 >>place where the king lives is called King's Landing This is actually nice. That peninsula is where Aegon landed with his dragon. Kinda kino.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:48:30 2019 No.13177683 >>13175152 It kills me that this fat piece of shit is considered our top current fantasy writer.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:22:20 2019 No.13178019 File: 124 KB, 900x450, 1368292874843.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13176188 based

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:28:20 2019 No.13178042 >>13175152 He's just a boomer version of Paolini.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:36:06 2019 No.13178058 >>13177683 Who deserves the spot?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:55:11 2019 No.13178120 >>13178058 Me

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:02:27 2019 No.13178145 >>13178120 I second this, anon deserves it

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:06:40 2019 No.13178161 >>13175199 >house that resembles the Lancasters is called the Lannisters >house that resembles the Yorks is called the Starks How do they resemble them?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:07:57 2019 No.13178166 >>13178161 The first book is based on the War of the Roses

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:16:25 2019 No.13178181 >>13175152 >Brainlet normies love brainlet normie shit. Revelatory. Simply astute. Truly my cortex has been engaged down to my amygdala.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:26:13 2019 No.13178203 >>13175152 very based

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:27:23 2019 No.13178208 >>13175371 Iceland and Greenland were definitely named by trolls, who'd have post on 4channel in 21th century.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:29:24 2019 No.13178214 >>13175640 This

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:32:14 2019 No.13178225 >>13178019 that dude's hair looks dumb as fuck that would wear out your neck in a fucking hour

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:39:39 2019 No.13178248 >>13178166 How? it fucking isn't, other than the names vaguely resembling Lancaster and York

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:41:55 2019 No.13178255 >>13178248 http://screenprism.com/insights/article/how-did-the-wars-of-the-roses-inspire-game-of-thrones

Anonymous Sat May 25 03:03:54 2019 No.13178308
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>>13178255
>cersei is Margaret, which would somehow make based Bobby B Henry vi
>House of York is stark, despite the fact that yorks actually take the throne, which (until bran in the show) they don't
>oh and stannis is Richard III?
>dany is Henry tudor?
>doesn't even mention John of gaunt, or the kingmaker
>that complete bullshit

At best the fatman took the vague concept of families fighting for a crown, which is hardly unique to the wars of the roses

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 03:13:17 2019 No.13178325 >>13175152 Martin has never been known for imagination. But, lowest common denominator? He's all over that. And lard.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 03:19:57 2019 No.13178341 >>13178308 It's not historical fiction you autist

Anonymous Sat May 25 05:22:02 2019 No.13178606
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>>13178341
You were the retard saying it was based on the Wars of the Roses, an me a few vague amalgams of historical figures from that period was the best you could come up with

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:57:33 2019 No.13178834 >>13175152 I hate GRRM as much as the next guy but that is a perfectly sensible way to name places, that mimics how we name them irl.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:07:32 2019 No.13178863 File: 45 KB, 653x655, 1558328363020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13175152 >ay yo man's raider now

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:13:13 2019 No.13178871 >>13175371 What does Finland mean

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:14:42 2019 No.13178876 >>13178871 Land of the Finns

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:18:35 2019 No.13178884 >>13178834 In his "World of Ice and Fire" Silmarillion rip-off companion book he names the horses from the far East of Essos "zorses"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:24:17 2019 No.13178899 >>13178884 when will peeple accept that tolking and shmartin only do what humins did for centuries? to invent traditional lore about ancient times with fantasy elements

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:39:10 2019 No.13178938 >>13178606 >the war of the roses inspired got >HURR ITS NOT THE EXACT SAME YOU RETARD >well that's not what I said >REEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAARRRRRDDDD Awesome reading comprehension from a /lit/eral retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:42:04 2019 No.13178941 T H E M O R E H E M O R E S H E D R A N K H E S H A T

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:42:44 2019 No.13178944 >>13175152 >names white zombies that walk "White Walkers"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:54:59 2019 No.13178963 >>13178899 Martin doesn't do it as well. Changing "Sir" to "Ser" for knights is a desperate attempt at originality.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 07:59:18 2019 No.13178973 >>13175152 This post was probably written by a burger, whose country is literally named "a bunch of states together" and half the towns are "new X". I mean you cunt literally have a town named "Red Stick".

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:00:10 2019 No.13178975 >>13178963 true. should have gone for "Sire"

Anonymous Sat May 25 08:09:54 2019 No.13178999

>>13178938
You said based on. Not inspired by. They're different things. Saying it was inspired by medieval European history, like the wars of roses, would be accurate, saying its based on the Wars of the Roses absolutely isn't, as it only has broad thematic similarities.

Shit, you could argue it was inspired by the illiad because the war that brought Bobby B the crown was triggered by Rhaegar "kidnapping" Lyanna Stark/them running off together. You wouldn't say it was based on the illiad because of that though.

Anonymous Sat May 25 08:17:20 2019 No.13179013

The names for places make sense though.
Besides countries and regions like >>13175371 named, many cities in Europe have names with a suffix like fort/furt or lo/bos (forrest) and stuff. Holland literally has a city which translated into English means: 'The dukes forrest'.

But simply changing 'khan' into 'khal' is stupid, desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:18:07 2019 No.13179018 >>13175152 you know most names have banal origins like that right? oh wait you probably dont since youre a faggot that rarely reads

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:21:09 2019 No.13179021 >>13175152 >lives on a continent named after an italian faggot who didn't even discover it. mutt.

Anonymous Sat May 25 08:41:02 2019 No.13179064

>>13175152
But anon... our world is also like that. Supposing that asoiaf takes place in a "medieval" world, it makes sense that some names didn't evolved as much to have difficult origins and everything looks obvious, just like the our current country's names were in medieval ages. Also remember that most names translated to english comes from their "common language", so a lot of places actually have exonyms instead of the locals endonyms, which we usually don't understand the obvious meaning unless we speak the language of the natives.
About the specific regions inside Westeros, is damn common that the regions receive names based on something silly in their geography. The regions in my country are named after cardinal points.

Look this wikipage:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country-name_etymologies

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:46:09 2019 No.13179077 >>13179013 so much this kek i live in a town that transaltes East dune church guess where it lays east from and has alot of.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 08:55:25 2019 No.13179099 >>13179077 Hello, fellow Flemish anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:10:56 2019 No.13179136 >>13179099 Dag gebaseerde Vlaming.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:19:48 2019 No.13179155 >>13175152 You're a literal moron, with zero idea of how naming works.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:23:31 2019 No.13179167 >be reading book >north america is named "North Armorica" >

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:32:11 2019 No.13179193 >>13175416 >have to look up Iceland You should probably do something about your education.

Anonymous Sat May 25 09:34:21 2019 No.13179198

>>13175152
>>the snowy land is called Iceland
>>the western land is called Midwest
>>the eastern land is called Far East
>>the southern land is called South Africa
>>the northern land is simply called "Nor(th)way"
>>place where the king lives is called King's City (Vasilevousa, Tsargrad, Cirgrad aka Constantinople)
>>wall that holds back the Mongols is simply called The Great Wall

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:36:23 2019 No.13179202 File: 33 KB, 237x366, angloland.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13175152 >the western land is called Wessex >the eastern land is called Essex >the southern land is called Sussex >the northern land is called Northumbria

Anonymous Sat May 25 09:37:37 2019 No.13179208

>>13178208
Greenland was literally a scam by the Dannish king to trick people to go there
Same with the Cape of Good Hope, Dias called it Cabo das Tormentas (Cape of Storms) because of the constant shitty weather but the king of Portugal thought this was a bad name for marketing the new route to India

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:52:37 2019 No.13179238 >>13178999 >trips of truth witnessed >shit, you could argue... I love how "shit" is used as a rhethoric device that enables the speaker to start a consequence with which they do not really agree, but which follows the given prepositions

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:53:43 2019 No.13179243 >>13179202 Northex remembers

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>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 10:21:21 2019 No.13179312 File: 706 KB, 768x576, freshenyerdrink.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13179202 Fresh from the streets of Sussex, they are! >" 'freshin' yer drink, guvnah?"

Anonymous Sat May 25 10:30:53 2019 No.13179333

>>13179208
>Cabo das Tormentas
This name have a double meaning, "tormentas" can mean storms, bad weather, tempest, but just changing A for O you have "tormentos" that means misery, torments, tortures. The word tormenta already has this deep conection with tormento, bad things, a weather that is so bad that it's a torture. I might say this is a pretty literary name, very well thought. We don't use tormenta for any shit tempest that we have, or any bad weather, it's deep.
It's also very common to change aggressive names for cute ones, they do this since Ancient Greece: Axine "unfriendly sea" to euxine "friendly sea", which can sugest us two things "The Greeks calles this first the Axine, which means the Unfriendly Sea, and thenz perharps as people became familiar with it, the Euxine, the Friendly Sea. It is sometimes suggested that they gave it this pleasant name to make it feel pleasantly disposed toward them." - Edith Hamilton, MYTHOLOGY page 84

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 10:38:21 2019 No.13179362 File: 13 KB, 366x321, cockatiel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13175152 >the east land is called essex >the west land is called wessex >the south land is called sussex >the north land is simply called "scotland"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 10:39:54 2019 No.13179369 >>13179362 north land is called northumbria, faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 10:43:24 2019 No.13179387 >>13179362 what did you expect? scotsex?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:30:18 2019 No.13179610 >>13179202 >west sex >est sex >sud sex Brits are dirty

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:23:48 2019 No.13179860 >>13178606 GRRM explicitly said he based the story off the War of the Roses, this isn't a fan theory. If you want to complain that this work of fantasy isn't close enough to real life events, write him a letter.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:26:48 2019 No.13179879 >>13175152 reminder that his name is walder in the books, he just says hodor.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:29:22 2019 No.13179884 >>13179202 Faggot OP BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:31:38 2019 No.13179894 >>13175152 Literally nothing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:34:09 2019 No.13179906 >>13175992 >country is on an island >call it ireland Wrong. It means land of the Irish, not island.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:34:45 2019 No.13179913 >>13179362 The 'sex' comes from saxon. Scotland was never saxon ruled

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:35:10 2019 No.13179917 >>13176088 Nothing wrong with bend the knee

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:36:12 2019 No.13179921 >>13176188 >burgerfag can't pronounce words >lol asians are autistic kys

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:37:14 2019 No.13179926 >>13178058 Gene Wolfe or Ursula K LeGuin.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:39:57 2019 No.13179941 >>13179926 he said "current". That disqualifies dead people.

Anonymous Sat May 25 12:44:40 2019 No.13179967 [DELETED]

>>13175199
>new version of York is called New York
>find virgin land, call it Virginia
>place is reddish, call it Colorado ("red" in colloquial Spanish)
>place is snowy, call it Nevada ("snowy' in Spanish)
>place is an arid zone call it Arizona
Not so far-fetched compared to reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:46:18 2019 No.13179977 >>13178884 Fire & Blood is his Silmarillion ripoff. World of I & F is simply an encyclopedia.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:47:20 2019 No.13179987 >>13178963 He came up with the regional bastard-naming thing, though. I don't think that happened in reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:50:13 2019 No.13180000 >>13179987 That's a pretty ingenious thing imo. I mean in real life we literally named abandonned children after the saint of the day.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 12:52:22 2019 No.13180012 File: 26 KB, 619x453, images - 2019-05-22T195240.937.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13179941 >tfw you remember Gene Wolfe is dead too soon

Anonymous Sat May 25 13:02:14 2019 No.13180066

>>13179913
Scotland was literally an Anglo-Saxon kingdom, hence the Scots language being so close ot English, it's just generations of shitty Hollywood movies that have convinced everyone including the Scots themsleves that they're Irish descended highland born sons of Dal Riata.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 13:20:12 2019 No.13180182 >>13175371 >>13179967 >>13179198 >>13179202 This.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 13:22:56 2019 No.13180201 >>13178225 Unless it's hollow!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 13:48:37 2019 No.13180351 >>13180201 That still gotta put unnecessary strain on the neck, especially balance-wise.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 13:53:49 2019 No.13180371 >>13178941 Thank you for this post

Anonymous Sat May 25 13:56:29 2019 No.13180384
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>Language is hard. This was maybe my answer to Martin, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. A Song of Ice and Fire had a very modern philosophy: that if the king was a good man, he would get his dick chopped off. We look at history and it’s not that simple. Martin can say that Bran became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Martin doesn’t ask the question: How was high Valyrian conjugated? Does the pluperfect tense of bravosi derive from the suffix? How did dragons understand the verb, “dracarys”? And what about all those lost westerosi languages? By the end of the war, the night king is gone but all of the autists aren’t gone – they’re in the Godswood, watching beautiful sisters be beautifully raped. Did Bran pursue a policy of monolingualism and kill all other languages? Even the little baby dialects in their little dialect regions?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 15:54:20 2019 No.13181095 >>13180384 based

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:21:30 2019 No.13181268 >>13175152 >hodor means hold the door i don't understand what's the problem with that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:22:41 2019 No.13181277 >>13175184 Hold the door makes sense, it's a plot point. I concede the two others.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:23:49 2019 No.13181282 >>13175184 drogon is named after khal drogo tho

Anonymous Sat May 25 16:30:43 2019 No.13181307

>>13179013
France has a city named "Choisy-le-Roi", which almost exactly means "chosen by the King" ("Choisi par le Roi"). There are hundreds of kekworthy examples like this.

I lived most of my childhood in a city named Asnières from the latin Asinaria, "the donkey place". It was accurate enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:32:54 2019 No.13181315 >>13181268 It only makes sense in English, and they're not meant to be speaking English

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Anonymous Sat May 25 16:33:35 2019 No.13181319

>>13179333
>It is sometimes suggested that they gave it this pleasant name to make it feel pleasantly disposed toward them." - Edith Hamilton, MYTHOLOGY page 84

This is similar to how the Erynies were nicknamed the Kindly Ones in order not to piss them off.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:34:05 2019 No.13181325 >>13175184 Mance was the son of free folk and a Nights Watchman, so he probably wouldn't have had a last name. Rayder was probably taken when he became King Beyond the Wall

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:35:11 2019 No.13181328 >>13181315 hmm haven't thought about it that way.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:39:15 2019 No.13181358 >>13181315 >>13181328 for all intents and purposes, the Common Tounge is basically English.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:47:35 2019 No.13181407 >>13179362 the land is the middle is called middlesex

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:58:04 2019 No.13181459 >>13181358 it doesn't work like that. They are speaking in their language but it's english for us. That's how it works in the movies.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 16:58:05 2019 No.13181460 >>13175371 What really bothers me is that it's not plain English. In that case I'd be willing to think that we're just getting the translation of some fantasy language, but instead there're weird implications about the language in use on Westeros.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 17:01:31 2019 No.13181476 >>13181307 Doesn't beat Villejuif tho. I really wonder what kind of people used to live there.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 17:11:44 2019 No.13181519 >>13180000 Its dumb when you consider those people will later have children and pass down the bastard name to them and everyone will think they're bastards when theyre not

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 17:19:58 2019 No.13181552 >>13175152 >>hodor means hold the door that was pretty powerful after you know the story, fag.

Anonymous Sat May 25 17:41:26 2019 No.13181633

>>13181459
In the TV show they had people create a rough linguistics frame for Valaryian and Dothraki, so if those are accurate I have no idea why the Common Tounge isn't. Most people in Westeros have milquetoast English names like Ned or Jon or Robert.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 17:43:02 2019 No.13181638 >>13181519 Just like in real life abandonned children pass their saint name to their offspring.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 22:11:10 2019 No.13182796 >>13180384 based

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 23:21:27 2019 No.13183115 >>13181318 Based

Anonymous Sat May 25 23:25:23 2019 No.13183134

>>13175152
I said the words, Sam thought again, but one of her nipples found its way between his lips. It was pink and hard and when he sucked on it her milk filled his mouth, mingling with the taste of rum, and he had never tasted anything so fine and sweet and good. If I do this I am no better than Dareon, Sam thought, but it felt too good to stop. And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast. It looked so silly standing there that he might have laughed, but Gilly pushed him back onto her pallet, hiked her skirts up around her thighs, and lowered herself onto him with a little whimpery sound. That was even better than her nipples.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 00:16:19 2019 No.13183321 >>13183134 Is this an actual quote? Christ

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 00:27:13 2019 No.13183355 >>13175152 my cats named kitty, whats your point?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 00:29:02 2019 No.13183359 >>13181307 Lel, never heard of a city names after donkeys before. This reminds me of Charleroi in Belgium, which is name after 'Charles-le-roi', the inbred last Habsburg king of Spain.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 00:30:31 2019 No.13183364 >>13180384 this is worthy pasta

Anonymous Sun May 26 00:49:03 2019 No.13183441

>>13181476
Ah yeah, Villejuif. That name would always bug me as a kid, like "did they seriously name a city like that ?". I bet it's not even the city with the most proeminent Jewish population in the area.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villejuif#Toponymie

TL;DR: It's a name that goes back to the 12th century, even appears in papal declarations. Most likely it means either that the place was associated with Jews for some reason, or that it's a deformation of the latin name Gedesis.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 01:08:29 2019 No.13183532 >land of engles is called england BRAVO ALFRED THE GREAT

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 01:52:14 2019 No.13183720 >>13175406 >Iceland and Greenland I know they weren't meant to describe them exactly, but they were meant to evoke an image of what erikson wanted people to think they were like.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 02:08:29 2019 No.13183791 >>13178941 baste + red pilled

Anonymous Sun May 26 02:18:39 2019 No.13183830

>all these people saying "that's how things are actually named"
>not realizing that irl there's variance in place names due to variance and evolution in the root languages places are named in, and the real problem is that GRRM tries to mimic medieval europe but wasn't willing to open the wikipedia pages necessary to make it convincing

Anonymous Sun May 26 02:33:46 2019 No.13183884

>>13183830
In medieval times, languages probably hadn't changed that much since these cities were founded (compared to these languages now).
A lot of these cities were only founded after the year 1000 by removing forrests and draining land and stuff.
That's why so many of those names end in suffixes which refer to forrests or swamps.

Anonymous Sun May 26 02:39:08 2019 No.13183901

>>13183884
if the intention is to get across the fact that a town was constructed recently in an expansion effort, there are clearer ways to do that, especially for an American author whose cultural background includes effectively a cascade of frontier rushes and expansions. Using modern language as if it was early-modern english without altering much of anything just saps the language of any gravitas it might have enjoyed, and it ends up sounding like you're writing with a historical influence but lack any knowledge of, or respect for, history itself

Anonymous Sun May 26 03:58:25 2019 No.13184123

>>13183901
>Using modern language as if it was early-modern english without altering much of anything just saps the language of any gravitas it might have enjoyed, and it ends up sounding like you're writing with a historical influence but lack any knowledge of, or respect for, history itself

Why? If his point was to make the names of these places sound to the modern viewer like many medieval places probably sounded to the average medieval person, it makes sense to name them this way.
If he gave them a name in say, medieval or Early-Modern English, the subjective effect these names would have on us would be different from how it would have been on people living at the time.

It's like how the use of Latin in the early medieval church had the side-effect of seeming like a kind of magical language with magical formulas to the recently converted Germanic peoples. The impression created would have been totally different if they had used the common Germanic speech.
Likewise, the names of old cities have only vague meanings and maybe something mysterious for us, whereas for the contemporary they may have sounded far more banal.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 04:14:29 2019 No.13184164 >>13183134 Makes me kek everytime.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 04:55:06 2019 No.13184244 >>13178225 i would wear out your throat for an hour

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 04:56:31 2019 No.13184254 >>13178871 land of the slanty eyes

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 04:59:33 2019 No.13184264 >>13179021 he was the main cartographer, but he was pretty shitty. he called north america "north america or japan"

Anonymous Sun May 26 07:18:40 2019 No.13184598

>>13178871
Nobody remembers what "Finn" originally meant. This is how kewl names are born. It might be related to Proto-Germanic fanþian, which means "wanderer", i.e. hunter-gatherer nomad. Originally "Fenni" of Greek sources seems to have been Baltic tribes named so by Germanic/Venedic more settled neigbours, and the same name stuck onto Finns later when Swedes started moving there.
Finns call their land Suomi, which is a loanword of Baltic "žeme" and Slavic "zemlia" and means "Land". So they live in The Land, and Finns themselves are "The Land's Folk".
Note Suffolk and Norfolk, "the South Tribe-Folk" and "the North Tribe-Folk". Or how Cambrians-Cymry (the Welsh) comes from "com-brogos" that is "com-patriot", or more precisely "our people".

This is how names really come around, nobody invents "kewl" names for nothing. "We, the people" against "them, the aliens" and that's enough 90% of the time. You may find the Wypipo of AD 3000 wondering how they ended up with that stupid sounding name on the mysterious land of Moorika, once the empire of Yoosey.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 08:27:12 2019 No.13184835 File: 31 KB, 678x452, 1558701853604.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13184598 Very interesting anon, what books should I read on this subject, and in what field are you studying ?

Anonymous Sun May 26 09:31:29 2019 No.13185027
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>>13184598
That's nice, it happens in most disconnected cultures. For indigenous people in Brazil, the place didn't had a specific name, the closest that you get from them naming their own land is Pindorama, which isn't exactly naming the place that we call today "Brasil" (in portuguese), but calls back to the history of when the tupi-guarani moved to east searching new places, searching the Pindorama (mythical place), which ends up with them "discovering" Brazil's Coast where then they settled.
They call the "Brazil's discover" (Brazil's coast) as "The Invasion to Pindorama"
This all happened way before european navigations of course (Brazil's coast was already populated around 1500)

It's nice to see the difference between exonyms and endonyms and how they change during history based on war/fights/genocide.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:29:55 2019 No.13185304 File: 71 KB, 515x336, leningrad cowboys.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13178225 he does look fucking stupid. unlike these guys who are kino incarnate

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:36:57 2019 No.13185352 >>13178884 >zorses zorses are real. they're just what you get when you breed a horse with a zebra

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:45:17 2019 No.13185408 >>13175152 >big world >many characters >make names easy to remember >somehow a bad thing

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 10:57:31 2019 No.13185465 File: 482 KB, 479x270, moethumbsup.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13178941 best post, and all anyone needs to know about ASOIAF.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:00:53 2019 No.13185478 >>13184598 >This is how names really come around, nobody invents "kewl" names for nothing. idaho

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:06:02 2019 No.13185496 >>13181307 More like the ass' place ;)

Anonymous Sun May 26 11:06:23 2019 No.13185500
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>>13175152

> Western Australia
> Northern Territory
> South Australia
> New South Wales
> Capital Territory (capital is here)

Call a thing a thing, so people don't get confused. Just hope the aboriginals don't try and rename all the states. Already have to deal with these suburbs:
> Indaroopilly
> Parramatta
> Woolloongabba
> Woolloomooloo
> Goondowindi
> Jimboomba

> How many vowels do you want in your word?
> yes

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:18:21 2019 No.13185545 >>13185478 >how should we name this land ? >horrendous american accent oh I danno >Idaho it is

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 11:20:43 2019 No.13185553 >>13185500 >these are real why haven't you finished genociding them exactly?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:08:16 2019 No.13185770 >>13185500 Don't forget >Wagga Wagga >Tamarama >Wollongong

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:23:40 2019 No.13185841 >>13185553 We took a stab at it, but didn't finish the job. Hopefully the culture goes extinct in the next century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2nvaI5fhMs

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 12:36:05 2019 No.13185914 >>13185841 i wonder what sin means to her and how the priest discribed it. she say "no more sin" with the reverance of an ex-alcoholic prostitute when she lived as innocently and animal like a human can her entire life

Anonymous Sun May 26 13:06:41 2019 No.13186094

>>13184835
Random etymological dictionaries. Just pick one and surf major words, even if Wiktionary, they just paste etymologies from dictionaries anyway.

>>13185027
>Pindorama, which isn't exactly naming the place that we call today "Brasil" (in portuguese)
>Sounds vaguely like "Pidorama", which would mean roughly "Gay faggot TV show/exhibition" in Russian
Believe me, Brasil is so much better. Especially as we have Hy-Brasyl, cf. Old Irish: Í: island; bres: beauty, worth, great, mighty.
My favourites would be the major rivers Volga, Slavutich (Slavic name for Dniepr) and Vistula. That are the river Moist, the river Flowing (fast), and the river Flowing (leisurly). Best of all is the Danube, that is the River.
Same as Moscow, that is Moskva, that was Mozg-va, that is "a really wet (swamy) river". So you have a Really Swampy river flowing into the river Water (Oka, probably butchered PIE aqua/akwa), which flows into the river Moist.
Slavs themselves are the Speakers ("Us") opposed to Nemtsy, the Mutes ("Them"). It is the same everywhere with anyone.

As for the topic, JRRM *might* be following Tolkien's example. His names are pretty simple, as should be. Gondor is Stone-Land (mountains everywhere), Arnor is King-Land (the Main-Land, perhaps, opposed to subservient-smaller Stone-Land), Rohan is Horse-...something, all in Sindarin. Sometimes Tolkien would twist things with Edoras, the capitol of Rohan, being "the enclosures" in Old English, as a "translation" from Rohirric Tolkien didn't care to invent.
He just ditched the language-invention phase (it takes skills, ya know) and didn't bother to ape Sindarin/Quenya like fantasy writers usually did. So West-errr-os, and Ess-os, and So(u)th-errr-is. And the North, because fuck the readers lol.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 13:30:13 2019 No.13186232 >>13178308 >>13178255 It's only very loosely based on War of the Roses. "Inspired" is the probably the right word. The initial plan GRRM had for 3 books would've been much closer to it than it is now.

Anonymous Sun May 26 13:55:47 2019 No.13186409
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Dude just wanted to write a fantasy story where the good guy main character shockingly dies and dragons kill ice zombies and now after like 20 years he's still stuck on the Act 1 of his initial outline and autists on the internet are mad that he didn't invent literal languages with different dialects to fill the background with. I feel bad for him, even if I do quibble with him.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 14:27:37 2019 No.13186555 >>13186232 To be fair I said only the first book was based on it because it goes off the rails from there

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 18:11:24 2019 No.13187969 >>13178871 old german for "land of the mongolians"

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 18:14:21 2019 No.13187983 >>13179202 more like Nossex amirite lads

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 18:18:08 2019 No.13188000 File: 7 KB, 225x225, 1532312194140.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] there's literally a town in Austria called "Judenberg" aka "Jew Castle"

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 20:07:12 2019 No.13188518 >>13175152 when theres a hundred fucking characters you have to make their names easy to remember

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 01:40:37 2019 No.13189670 File: 117 KB, 1582x1526, 1538003556558.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13175152

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 01:44:00 2019 No.13189688 >>13188000 There's a town in Spain called Castrillo Matajudíos ("Castrillo the Jew-killer") and is twinned with an Israeli city lmao I'm not kidding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrillo_Mota_de_Jud%C3%ADos

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 02:55:22 2019 No.13189879 >>13185500 >tfw there would have been a thousand non-retarded ways to transliterate these words but australians have the spelling ability of a four year old in a civilized nation so this is how it turned out

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 03:54:58 2019 No.13190024 >>13185500 >South Australia >South Southia This escalated quickly

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 04:01:14 2019 No.13190040 Can someone recommend me a book/series with similar lore and attention to detail as ASOIAF but is actually well-written? Besides LotR, of course

Anonymous Mon May 27 04:24:01 2019 No.13190099

>original people
>first men

>strange trees
>weirdwood

>old city
>oldtown

>place where slaves are sold
>slavers bay

>white guy
>Jon “snow”

>brown chick
>Obara “sand”

>people who keep guard in the dark
>nights watch

>giant ice wall
>the wall

>road used to get to kings landing
>kings road

What a hack

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 04:52:32 2019 No.13190191 >>13175152 >>13175199 >>13178308 >>13178941 >>13190099 It's even on the maps too. Westeros is Britain smashed on top of Ireland. Essos is Turkey.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 06:17:15 2019 No.13190425 >>13179167 underrated post

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 06:34:12 2019 No.13190465 >>13183134 F A T P I N K M A S T

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 06:57:24 2019 No.13190523 >>13187983 lel

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:48:30 2019 No.13190815 >>13175199 The LANnisters of CASTERly Rock

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 08:51:47 2019 No.13190832 >>13175460 Iceland is more a mossy brown

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