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Anonymous Fri May 24 04:50:08 2019 No.13172580 [DELETED]

>Muh morals
>Muh ethics
Fucking spooks.

People do whatever they feel like doing in the moment, and the rest of society guilt trips them if they go against the system. Not because the system is inherently good, but they live in it, are forced to abide by its rules and it would collapse if they didn't. So to preserve their own comfort and exercise their own resentment towards the perpetrator and their own cowardice, they shame them. Rape is not inherently bad, murder is not inherently bad, stealing is not inherently bad. There are no set in stone rules for life and you shouldn't care about being "good". No one is good, even people who try to be good 24/7 are never good. People are more animal like than we like to admit, we're not purely logical beings and expecting people to behave as if they are is an exercise in futility. Guilt is just the fear of punishment.

The only thing you should aspire to in life is to get away with as much as possible, anything more is vanity and delusion.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:51:23 2019 No.13172583 have sex

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:52:15 2019 No.13172584 >>13172583 bend over.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:53:48 2019 No.13172586 >>13172584 Uh bro I kinda just had tacos... glances towards a different posters Some people, am I right?

>>	Sage. Fri May 24 04:56:03 2019 No.13172589 Your opinion is a spook.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 04:59:46 2019 No.13172596 didn't read a thing

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:02:14 2019 No.13172599 >>13172580 So profound anime poster. Droppin truth bombs. The kind of stuff you believe until they mug you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:05:17 2019 No.13172603 >>13172599 >D-Do unto others! You're just as likely to get mugged as I am retard, there's no cosmic justice. And if I get mugged, I'm not going to sit there crying about how it's not fair and how it's wrong. What are you, a child?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:06:58 2019 No.13172606 >>13172603 how many hours do you spend in your room daily?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:08:06 2019 No.13172610 >>13172606 Are you going to stay on topic or insist on being a petty child who wants to call names?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:09:45 2019 No.13172613 >>13172603 What a dork. What are gonna do ? Brandish you katana and go on a killing spree ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:10:12 2019 No.13172615 WHOA BRO SUPER DEEP BRO SERIOUSLY YOU'RE LIKE A PHILOSOPHER PASS DA BLUNT DUDE SHIT IS BLOWING MY MIND

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:12:08 2019 No.13172618 >>13172613 >What are gonna do ? More than your pathetic ass who'd sit there crying until someone felt sorry for you and called the police.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:12:50 2019 No.13172623 >>13172610 Why woude he dumb faggot. Seriously if your authority is yourself who cares about discussions with you. How is it that hard to grasp.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:13:37 2019 No.13172624 >>13172618 Self defense is condoned by law you spastic

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:15:25 2019 No.13172628 >>13172624 What's your actual point your trying to make here?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:16:27 2019 No.13172632 >>13172623 >If you don't play by the rules I play by I'm taking my ball and going home Bye retard

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:18:22 2019 No.13172636 >>13172628 That you're a clueless cretin living in your lawless fantasy world

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:23:34 2019 No.13172651 >>13172632 Yea what are you gonna do about it cry ? Lol baby is mad coz people don't respect him ohhhh.

Anonymous Fri May 24 05:25:39 2019 No.13172656

>>13172651
You can act like a retard all you like but don't sulk when you're called a retard.

>>13172636
>Fantasy
It's reality. The only people who get what they want in life don't do it according to what society defines as "good" actions. Try being "good" your whole life, see where it gets you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:30:44 2019 No.13172662 >>13172656 >Babby just found out about that law doesn't apply to people the same way. Were you born yesterday ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:32:05 2019 No.13172666 >dumb animeposters

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:32:50 2019 No.13172668 Wow good postbdid you come up with that by usrself? Have sex

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 05:33:30 2019 No.13172669 >>13172662 Why are you so upset? Why can't you have a discussion like an adult?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:05:42 2019 No.13172746 >>13172668 No thanks, knowledge is all I need to ejaculate

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:11:37 2019 No.13172755 >>13172580 stop using "spooks" to explain a conclusion(a bad one)you alone came up with, it makes stirner look bad

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:13:30 2019 No.13172757 >>13172755 Morals and ethics are spooks

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:16:56 2019 No.13172766 >>13172580 Stirner never said like this

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:20:02 2019 No.13172768 >>13172766 I'm not a Stirner worshipper, he said some things I agreed with and others I didn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:21:44 2019 No.13172770 >shitting up /lit/ with the exact same trash thread as yesterday >>>/reddit/

Anonymous Fri May 24 06:23:57 2019 No.13172777

>>13172757
Yes they are by stirner but I don't like how you ramble on on your on conclusions and assumptions it makes it seem like this is how stirner came to his synthesis but its not, no where even close. By using spooks you make Stirner look bad just by association.

Also "spook" has already been discussed as a terrible translation of "spuk" making you not really at-all understandable of Stirner or his meme. You can Keep your edgy logic to yourself but don't use it along-side memes that degrade a philosopher in anyway that you have no understanding of

>muh society peer pressure
your argument assumes the same case by case scenario for each person instead of delving into how every person can possible be effected. Not "muh social pressure" not the case for everybody and maybe not anyone, you dumbed it down to much

Anonymous Fri May 24 06:27:56 2019 No.13172790

>>13172777
>makes it seem like this is how stirner came to his synthesis but its not, no where even close
I never said that, that was you assuming things.

It should be clear to anyone that the rest of that post is my own personal ideology and nothing to do with stirner outside of us both agreeing morals and ethics are spooks.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:36:51 2019 No.13172807 >>13172580 So why do you tell us about your insights?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:37:34 2019 No.13172810 >>13172807 Because I felt like doing it in the moment

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:38:38 2019 No.13172818 >>13172810 Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:39:18 2019 No.13172822 >>13172810 So what's wrong about acting morally if it makes you feel good?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:45:39 2019 No.13172830 >>13172810 >because I felt like it The state of baiting today and people falling for it.

Anonymous Fri May 24 06:50:21 2019 No.13172845

>>13172818
There's no greater meaning behind it, I did it because I felt like doing it.

>>13172822
Well for a start it's delusion. You feel good not because you're doing good but because everyone else is watching you do good or you're patting yourself on the back for doing good. But if you don't mind lying to yourself, then ok. Second, you're limiting yourself. You could reach your goals and get further in life way faster without morals slowing you down, there's some things you can only get if you abandon morals. You'll never feel fully in control of your own life if you abide by arbitrary rules. Finally, other people don't follow your code. They will take advantage of you, they will leave you in the dust and you will have nothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:52:19 2019 No.13172849 >>13172845 >There's no greater meaning behind it, I did it because I felt like doing it. I'm asking why you felt like doing it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:54:51 2019 No.13172853 >>13172845 What if I do all that but you are standing in my way and I crush your life with all of my capabilities. Would you still talk like that or would you go cry to daddy system because that one mean uncle did you wrong?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:55:40 2019 No.13172856 File: 190 KB, 750x744, 94976f3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >insecure >hates society >hates self Big oof

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:04:54 2019 No.13172890 >>13172853 >Would you still talk like that Yes, might makes right. >>13172856 >Come back tonight at 11 for more shit I pulled out of my ass

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:17:36 2019 No.13172922

>>13172845
>You feel good not because you're doing good but because everyone else is watching you do good or you're patting yourself on the back for doing good.
I'm totally aware of this but that doesn't make me feel less good if I give money to some hobo. Humans aren't rational beings. Also there is something like empathy.
>You could reach your goals and get further in life way faster without morals slowing you down
Evidence? I highly doubt that you talk out of experience.
>You'll never feel fully in control of your own life if you abide by arbitrary rules.
>They will take advantage of you, they will leave you in the dust and you will have nothing.
Where did I say that you should follow consistent moral principles? I asked what's the problem with acting morally in a situation when it makes you feel good.

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Anonymous Fri May 24 07:21:34 2019 No.13172938

>>13172922
>Also there is something like empathy.
No, there's not. It's fine to look at another and feel their pain, that's normal. But acting to help that person is pure vanity.
>Evidence?
If one person proceeds through life free of restraints and another proceeds governed by a set of rules and restrictions then who do you think will accomplish more and faster? Assume they both want the same things.
> I asked what's the problem with acting morally in a situation when it makes you feel good.
If nothing else it breeds weakness and it's a bad habit to get into.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:22:36 2019 No.13172941 >>13172932 >BTFO The thread stopped getting replies and fell off the board, so I made a new one. Why are you acting like a woman?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:25:23 2019 No.13172951 File: 169 KB, 402x420, 1555207475893.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13172941 SEETHING

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:26:02 2019 No.13172955 >>13172580 See, my issue with the egotists is that they stop just a few steps too early. They let the ego rule instead of the true self (which is awarenes). They are usually so close to making that final development

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:27:31 2019 No.13172959
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For purely philosophical reasons there might not exist objective reality and objective morality. But if you concede that humans are animals, why then do you criticize human organization? The way humans set up laws and norms, from an evolutionary perspective, is used as a survival strategy. Why then would it matter if morality is a spook? Will you criticize wolves for not entering other wolves territory, or that they have an alpha-beta organization?
>but thats genetics
And so are humans by your own definition of humans being animals. What you are doing is not neglecting some morality, you are asserting your own, just like Nietzsche did with his overman and master morality

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:27:35 2019 No.13172961 >>13172955 Please expand on this

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:28:35 2019 No.13172965

>>13172938
>No, there's not. It's fine to look at another and feel their pain, that's normal. But acting to help that person is pure vanity.
What's wrong about vanity?
>Assume they both want the same things.
But if they have different axioms they obviously don't want to have the same things. Your whole premise is flawed.
>If nothing else it breeds weakness and it's a bad habit to get into.
No it isn't, I talk from experience.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:29:57 2019 No.13172967 >>13172959 this.

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:31:26 2019 No.13172972

>>13172961
Well, generally egotism is about justifying "my" desires but never explain what constitutes the "my." The true self, which is hidden inside the ego, is awarenes. If they applied their method of finding and destroying external spooks to the very spooks that constitute their ego (internal ones), they would find a much more stable and pleasing existence

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:33:22 2019 No.13172974 >>13172972 OP should read Schopenhauer

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:34:14 2019 No.13172977 >>13172974 I was going to say Plato and then Plotinus, but anything could help him

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:35:56 2019 No.13172983

>>13172959
>why then do you criticize human organization?
Because you can organise into groups and still ultimately be entirely self centered. Yes, we organised for survival because bigger numbers of people meant a greater chance of survival. But I don't see how this contradicts what I'm saying. Stirner's union of egoists proves as much.

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:38:01 2019 No.13172987

>>13172965
>What's wrong about vanity?
It's counterproductive at worst and completely worthless at best to any goal.
>But if they have different axioms they obviously don't want to have the same things.
Not true. They could both want a wife and children for example.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:39:03 2019 No.13172995 >>13172972 >The true self, which is hidden inside the ego, is awarenes And what is awareness? What;s the difference between awareness and ego?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:40:05 2019 No.13173000 >>13172974 I already did

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:42:21 2019 No.13173008

>>13172987
>It's counterproductive at worst and completely worthless at best to any goal.
This whole thread just exists because of your vanity.
>Not true. They could both want a wife and children for example.
Yeah, they also both need to eat. Simple biological imperatives. Why does morality prevent you from having a wife?

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:42:33 2019 No.13173009

>>13172995
Explaiing *what* it is, is probably better left to actual philosopher's who tackle the issue. You might imagine it as the sense that allows "you" to experience existence, although it is "you" that is doing the experiencing. The biggest difference is that distilled awareness has no desires whereas the ego is full to the brim with them

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:43:37 2019 No.13173013 >>13173000 >And what is awareness? What;s the difference between awareness and ego? Nah

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:44:24 2019 No.13173015 File: 542 KB, 412x481, 1554873994197.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13172580 Which anime did you base your philosophy on?

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:44:41 2019 No.13173018

>>13172983
My point is that all organisms are self-centered ultimately, and thus any sort of organization vis-a-vis the will to survive and spread genes comes naturally. I am saying, from an evolutionary perspective, communal organization is a result of egoism, and not like what Egoists try to portray it as. I get the impression from them that morality is a virus that spreads and disturbs the egos, when in fact it was manifested by the egos.

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:45:35 2019 No.13173020

>>13172972
The ego (what Stirner calls the Unique) is not and can not be a spook because it is not an ideal nor is it a category which has any descriptive power. The homosexual and heterosexual man are both egoists, yet their egoism leads them to act in completely antithetical ways. That is why it is not a spook. Read stirners critics.

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:46:10 2019 No.13173022

>>13173008
>This whole thread just exists because of your vanity.
In what way? No one yet has agreed with me.
>Why does morality prevent you from having a wife?
In order to attract a wife you need to be an appealing mate, and you can do this with money, power and social standing. And it's far easier to get all of those when you have nothing holding you back.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:47:12 2019 No.13173027 >>13173013 What do you mean "Nah"? >>13173015 None of them were edgy enough for me

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:47:45 2019 No.13173028 >>13173020 Ah, but acting on sexual impulses is a very spooked thing to do. These biological and other internalized and unquestioned beliefs are spooks in my opinion

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:48:56 2019 No.13173033 >>13173028 >Anything I don't like is a spook

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:49:36 2019 No.13173035 >>13172580 > People do whatever they feel like doing in the moment And what they feel like doing is partly determined by morals and ethics.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:50:15 2019 No.13173039 >>13173035 But morals and ethics are spooks so checkmate

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:50:31 2019 No.13173040 >>13173027 "Nah" means I don't believe you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:50:47 2019 No.13173041 >>13173033 With regards to awareness, anything but awareness is a spook, so you may twist that however you like. I'd criticize the heterosexual as much as the homo

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:51:35 2019 No.13173043 >>13173015 Rick and Morty

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:52:38 2019 No.13173044 >People still replying to bait thread Stop

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:52:56 2019 No.13173045 >>13173041 >With regards to awareness, anything but awareness is a spook This

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:54:27 2019 No.13173051 >>13172580 you are living in the context of society, that social is your universal, looking at the stars and widening the context to infinity doesn't justify killing off someone

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:55:24 2019 No.13173057 >>13173051 The mere presence of a "society" also doesn't warrant someone's continued existence

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:56:51 2019 No.13173066

>>13173018
>I am saying, from an evolutionary perspective, communal organization is a result of egoism
Up to a certain point, and then it becomes corrupted. What we have today is not what you're describing.

>I get the impression from them that morality is a virus that spreads and disturbs the egos, when in fact it was manifested by the egos
I believe that current, modern day morality is a virus. It serves nothing but society, at the expense of the individual. What you gain in safety and security (which is more often than not not even true), you lose in freedom and individuality. Don't rape, don't steal, don't kill I will agree was beneficial to survival pre-agriculture, that doesn't mean I'd follow it but I'll accept it as legitimate to enhancing survival. But it's been hijacked and corrupted since then and holds no value in the modern era.

I don't care for my neighbour, my postman, my colleague, these people aren't my tribe and I don't need them for survival so why would I still follow the basic group survival morality of no killing, raping or stealing? And yes, if everyone believed as I did society would collapse. Well then good. Good riddance.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 07:57:31 2019 No.13173071 >>13173015 BOTTOM TEXT

Anonymous Fri May 24 07:59:03 2019 No.13173076

>>13173028
Certainly there are some aspects of sex that are spooks, but sex in itself is not a spook. for example a traditionalist might say you should not be gay because of manliness and biological duty. Here manliness and biological duty become spooks because they are set as ideals and imperatives that are above the individual to which the individual must submit. However being manly is not itself a spook as long as it is not allowed to become a despot over you.
For stirner true egoism is achieved when everything is "brought down" into the individual's possession, and is able to be disposed of whenever he likes.
Stirner's Critics probably sums this up better than I could, and it's a short read.

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:03:54 2019 No.13173089

>>13173076
Yes, sure. I agree that having sex because it is available is permissible as unspooked but one must question the motivation for having sex at all. I suppose if the desire is entirely under the control of the self then it can't be called "spooked" but if something possesses someone to have sex then that is spooked. I'd never call the act of sex a spook, but more so whatever the motivation for it is

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:04:06 2019 No.13173091 >>13173057 shall I bring you the noose then?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:05:53 2019 No.13173100 >>13173091 Well, societies kill individuals all the time with no repercussions, so sure

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:08:44 2019 No.13173110

>>13173089
The motivation is the satisfaction of a bodily need.

Eating food is not a spook, neither is having sex. As long as you're not controlled by the need for sex, it's not a spook. Someone who orients their life around getting the most sex possible would be spooked, but someone who just fucks when the opportunity arises isn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:09:05 2019 No.13173112 >>13173089 I think it's possible to have sexual desire that is healthy and egoistic. Really only sex addicts are spooked in this regard.

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:11:46 2019 No.13173119

>>13173110
Bodily needs are spooks. Furthermore, sex isn't a "need" so much as a "desire." I've lived without sex for 22 years and am still alive. I couldn't do that without food or water, though.
See my post here
>>13173041
I already agreed with your last point though, so we're just going in needless circles

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:15:32 2019 No.13173133

>>13173119
>Bodily needs are spooks.
No they're not. You need food or you die, there's nothing spooky about it.
>Furthermore, sex isn't a "need" so much as a "desire."
Masturbation counts as sex, and regular release is a "need" because if you don't do it yourself, your body does it for you.
>I've lived without sex for 22 years and am still alive.
You didn't abstain from ejaculation for 22 years though, did you?

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:15:44 2019 No.13173134

>>13173112
I think this quote by Stirner is pertinent. It's about love but it applies equally to sex.
>Am I perchance to have no lively interest in the person of another, are his joy and his weal not to lie at my heart, is the enjoyment that I furnish him not to be more to me than other enjoyments of my own? On the contrary, I can with joy sacrifice to him numberless enjoyments, I can deny myself numberless things for the enhancement of his pleasure, and I can hazard for him what without him was the dearest to me, my life, my welfare, my freedom. Why, it constitutes my pleasure and my happiness to “refresh myself with his happiness and his pleasure. But myself, my own self, I do not sacrifice to him, but remain an egoist and — enjoy him. If I sacrifice to him everything that but for my love to him I should keep, that is very simple, and even more usual in life than it seems to be; but it proves nothing further than that this one passion is more powerful in me than all the rest. Christianity too teaches us to sacrifice all other passions to this. But, if to one passion I sacrifice others, I do not on that account go so far as to sacrifice myself, nor sacrifice anything of that whereby I truly am myself; I do not sacrifice my peculiar value, my ownness. Where this bad case occurs, love cuts no better figure than any other passion that I obey blindly. The ambitious man, who is carried away by ambition and remains deaf to every warning that a calm moment begets in him, has let this passion grow up into a despot against whom he abandons all power of dissolution: he has given up himself, because he cannot dissolve himself, and consequently cannot absolve himself from the passion: he is possessed.

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:27:06 2019 No.13173174

>>13173133
Ok, since we're still going for some reason
>with regard to awareness, anything but awareness is a spook
You don't need to eat, drink, or ejaculate to be aware. In fact, you are aware of your lack of these, but the only time you're not aware (theoretically) is when you're dead.
I guess what I'm getting at is that the body is a spook. You don't *have* to do any of these things. A basic attachment to life OR simple automated bodily functions compels these things to happen.
I didn't know we were conflating masturbation with sex. Glad to know I'm not a virgin then.
But, night emissions can hardly be considered a choice. You don't consciously choose to pump blood through your body. I wouldn't call either of these two spooks. But masturbation is a spooked activity because there is some drive other than awareness that is the motivation. Pretty much every activity is a spook. But if you can realize and accept that, and be able to curtail them at any point, I'd say that's true freedom and egoism if you want

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:29:51 2019 No.13173181 >>13173174 >Glad to know I'm not a virgin then. Men can't be virgins, only women.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:31:08 2019 No.13173188 File: 160 KB, 693x296, 1554495796228.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13173181 Oh. That makes sense

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:31:29 2019 No.13173189 >>13173174 >You don't need to eat, drink, or ejaculate to be aware. I still don't get what you mean by "aware". People are never free from desires.

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:36:16 2019 No.13173203

>>13173189
I disagree. How do you explain extreme ascetics? I mean, I suppose the desires may still exist, but they can be controlled with enough willpower and reflection to the point where the exert little-to-no influence on the mind.
And again, I should not formulate it this way, but again, I will call awareness the sense of experiencing existencence.

Anonymous Fri May 24 08:42:56 2019 No.13173230

You are an ugly person. You have absolutely no sense of the aesthetic. I bet you have no artistic capabilities, if you do I bet they’re shit. Recap, your a no good person. Morals aren’t calculated, being good isn’t about the reason, it’s a reason in itself. You are so desperate to validate yourself because you doubt yourself, and you always will. Because you are wrong. Because you are ugly. You are restricted from the greatest things in life.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 08:51:55 2019 No.13173264 >>13173230 >You have absolutely no sense of the aesthetic I do. You just confuse moral good as being part of it.

Anonymous Fri May 24 09:02:36 2019 No.13173291

>>13173264
Morals=Customs change but we develop in time, but if you had any proper knowledge of history and philosophy you would know that there are certain customs we can’t do without, and their static role in society has become the bedrock of social stability and for the possibility of freedom in general. You would call the rights of man a spook, because you’re an ugly person. We call them a dream, a dream worth striving for. In this sense the moral good, the good of custom, is absolutely part of an aesthetically pleasing life. You are so wrong, and ugly.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:05:57 2019 No.13173301 >>13173291 see >>13173066 Stop being so emotional

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:06:13 2019 No.13173303 Why is >someone posts anime >their opinion is that of a teenager in highschool So common?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:09:20 2019 No.13173313 >>13173301 That’s not an argument. Your regurgitation of Stirner does not qualify as a work of art. I read through all your replies, just to make sure you weren’t baiting. You are an ugly person.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:13:33 2019 No.13173323 >>13173303 Because people with beliefs that repulse the masses aren't afraid of appearing "immature" or "weird" for watching anime as an adult.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:14:35 2019 No.13173327 >>13173313 Your only argument is "reee this thing exists therefore it's good".

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:14:57 2019 No.13173328 Wow, man, that's like really deep. You want to skip recess tomorrow and go smoke a joint behind the playground?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:15:16 2019 No.13173329 >>13173323 They should have enough sense to feel repulsion for themselves. We’re not just repulsed by your habits, but by your senseless approval of them

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:19:42 2019 No.13173345 >>13173327 You are wrong, and ugly. I know you can’t deal with it, that’s why your here. You want some sort of validation. >>13173022 >No one yet has agreed with me. You are wrong, ugly. and pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:20:05 2019 No.13173346 >>13172580 I see you have misinterpreted Egoism. I would recommend you try Ergotism instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:26:25 2019 No.13173370 >>13173346 >I see you have misinterpreted Egoism Nothing I said contradicts egoism

Anonymous Fri May 24 09:32:11 2019 No.13173397

>>13173346
Not just that this idiot misinterpreted Stirner. He wasn’t not an Egoist at all.

>”for everyone is an ego; and if only this ego has rights, then it is “the ego” (das ich), and not I. But I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego (das alleinige Ich): I am unique (Ich bin einzig). Hence my wants and my needs are also unique; in short, everything about me is unique. And it is only as this unique being that I take everything as my own, as I set myself to work, and develop myself, only as this unique being. I do not develop mankind or man, but as I, I develop- myself (als Ich entwickle Ich-Mich). This is the meaning of the Unique One (Dies ist der sinn des- Einzigen).”

op
>Rape is not inherently bad, murder is not inherently bad, stealing is not inherently bad.

OP is a fucking moron

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:34:42 2019 No.13173408 Wrong, ugly, pathetic and stupid.

Anonymous Fri May 24 09:35:15 2019 No.13173413

>>13173397
>Not just that this idiot misinterpreted Stirner. He wasn’t not an Egoist at all.
I never said he was.

People are free to agree with some of what a person says and disagree with the rest. I can agree with Stirner on some things without believing everything he ever wrote. Why is this so hard for you people to grasp?

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>>13172580
This sounds like one of the villain in Atlas Shrugged. With the collaps of Venezuela, the poverty of Cuba, the nightmarish chinese and the soon collapsing sweden, it seems as if she is being vindicated.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:41:07 2019 No.13173459 >>13173437 In my view you can only reach the peak of what you're capable of if you abandon morality.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:42:25 2019 No.13173462 >>13173413 You should shut the fuck up because you don’t know what you are talking about. Why is this so hard for (You) to grasp?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:43:26 2019 No.13173468 >>13173459 No one cares about your view you ugly wretched miserable piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:43:36 2019 No.13173472 >>13173459 Quite the opposite you irrational mystic. Morality is rationality applied to action. To not hold a moral philosophy is to degrade yourself to a mere infant.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:47:46 2019 No.13173496 File: 251 KB, 750x633, ok retard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >morals and ethics are bad yeah ok go let your child do whatever they want and see how that pans out

Anonymous Fri May 24 09:49:27 2019 No.13173503

>>13173462
>>13173468
I don't understand why you're upset. You're letting emotions control you.

>>13173472
The only mystic here is you, morality is a completely fabricated concept with no basis in reality. You haven't given me a single reason why I should burden myself with restrictions and rules.

Anonymous Fri May 24 09:49:49 2019 No.13173505
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Empathy is a core mechanism for human survival. Without it we would fall together as a society and behave like rabid dogs fighting over scraps of meat. Without empathy, teamwork becomes a lot harder. Compassion is a way to build relationship which means building teamwork. Humans have evolved themselves to the point where they own the whole planet mainly due to teamwork.

So fuck off nihilist zoomer.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:50:29 2019 No.13173507 >>13173496 Why would I ever have children? It's cruel and I don't want to sacrifice all that time for nothing in return.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:51:35 2019 No.13173510 >>13172580 I remember my first hit of weed. Come back when you are older and have read more.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:51:54 2019 No.13173512 >>13173505 >Empathy is a core mechanism for human survival. Wrong. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:52:19 2019 No.13173514 File: 2.58 MB, 267x200, 14E0ACEE-197C-4C27-BAD5-75158A06E408.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13173346 >Ergotism

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:52:55 2019 No.13173517 >>13173510 Don't talk to me, I don't want to converse with pea brains concerned about appearing "mature" or "grown up".

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:52:57 2019 No.13173518 >>13173507 thanks for improving the genepool, friend

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:53:26 2019 No.13173522 >>13173507 Wish ur parents would have felt the same way OP would have saved all of us a lot of time

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:55:02 2019 No.13173528 >>13173522 I wish they had too, but here I am so the best I can do is not repeat their mistake.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:55:45 2019 No.13173531 >>13173503 No bitch this if me FUCK YOU >Rape is not inherently bad, murder is not inherently bad, stealing is not inherently bad. I would drop kick your goofy ass if you ever said this to me in real life

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>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:57:42 2019 No.13173538 what a thread

>>	emotions Fri May 24 09:57:53 2019 No.13173539 >>13173528 RIGHT. YOUR A MISTAKE. SO WHY ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE US OF YOUR BELIEFS? SURELY YOU DONT THINK WE THINK OF OURSELVES LIKE THAT? LET ME BE FRANK. WE DONT. NOW GTFO MY BOARD

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:58:45 2019 No.13173543 >>13173538 oof

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:59:02 2019 No.13173545 >>13173539 I consider you all mistakes too, so we're on equal footing >>13173535 I'll fuck your ass if you keep whining like a woman

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:00:04 2019 No.13173550 >>13173531 >I would drop kick your goofy ass if you ever said this to me in real life Responding to an opinion with violence, you're so intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:01:43 2019 No.13173555 >>13173545 >we should all drink the kool aid YOU FIRST

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:01:49 2019 No.13173556 >>13173503 >You haven't given me a single reason why I should burden myself with restrictions and rules do you need one?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:02:24 2019 No.13173558 >>13173556 >do you need one? Do you not? Why would you do anything if there's no good reason?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:02:58 2019 No.13173561 >>13173550 It’s called emotional intelligence. I got it from belonging to a community who lay out suckers for sucker shit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:04:01 2019 No.13173566 >>13173558 The highest form of intelligence is moral intelligence you mistake

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:04:27 2019 No.13173569 >>13173558 >Why would you do anything if there's no good reason? have you ever done anything on a whim in your entire life? or are you just one of those boring pencil pushers that is ignored by everybody

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:05:02 2019 No.13173573 WRONG. UGLY. PATHETIC. STUPID. and a MISTAKE.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:08:53 2019 No.13173584 >>13173503 What would a valid reason to convince you be? Can you give an example of a line of reasoning that you consider valid?

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:10:14 2019 No.13173593

>>13173566
Please explain in detail because that sounds fucking loony.

>>13173569
>have you ever done anything on a whim in your entire life?
Yes, but I've never submitted myself to a bunch of restrictive rules for my whole life on a whim, retard.

You're seriously doing all this moralfag shit "just cause". Fuck me lol.

>>13173573
kek

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:11:16 2019 No.13173599 >>13173561 >It’s called emotional intelligence Yes and you clearly have none.

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:14:00 2019 No.13173610

>>13173584
>What would a valid reason to convince you be?
If I knew that I wouldn't be against it, now would I?

I've honestly given morality its fair day in court multiple times in my life and I've failed to come up with any good reasons why I should live according to it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:14:46 2019 No.13173614 >>13173593 >Yes what did you do?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:14:57 2019 No.13173615 >>13173593 If you are a critic of morality, and I admire your intelligence, could you o wise OP give me a definition of morality?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:15:12 2019 No.13173617 >>13173593 >Please explain in detail Ok. Your a fucking retard. I’m shitting on your face. Something inherently right about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:15:59 2019 No.13173621 >>13173610 I'm sorry o wise op. Can you give me a line of reasoning that you consider valid?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:16:33 2019 No.13173625 >>13173015 Sadly anime is full of moralfaggotry and collectivism. Truly amoral fiction is not easy to come by.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:18:08 2019 No.13173631 >>13173517 It's just your ideas aren't very sophisticated or original m8

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:20:26 2019 No.13173641 OP BTFO

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:22:25 2019 No.13173651 oof

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:23:46 2019 No.13173653

>>13173614
>what did you do?
I left my house, went to the community college I was enrolled in at the time, felt a strong urge to hop the fence, climb onto the first floor roof and then climb my way up as high as I could. Then security appeared, I hopped down to the ground floor again, they chased me, caught me and I waited with them for the police. Police checked me out, asked me some questions and let me go with a warning.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:25:19 2019 No.13173659 >>13173653 CAAAALLL THHHHEE POOOLIIIICCCEEE Dam OP, how does it feel to live like such a lawless badass

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:28:56 2019 No.13173667

>>13173615
Morality is a set of rules, agreed upon by and taught to the population, that are supposed to benefit social cohesion and society at large in the pursuit of a peaceful civilisation. There are some set in stone rules that everyone has to follow and personal rules people have for themselves and people they interact with. It's agreed that anyone who breaks these rules should be punished.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:29:58 2019 No.13173670 >>13173659 I was 16 at the time and I don't know why I did it, in retrospect it was a stupid decision and I wouldn't do it again.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:30:58 2019 No.13173674 >>13173631 >It's just your ideas aren't very sophisticated or original m8 So what.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:31:57 2019 No.13173676 >>13173667 Very good! Now you said that you aren't convinced by the arguments given to be moral, could you explain what makes an argument valid and unvalid?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:32:04 2019 No.13173677 >>13172580 Yea nobody cares nigger

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:33:55 2019 No.13173681 >>13173677 You cared enough to post in my thread you cumdump

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:34:25 2019 No.13173683 >>13172580 Oh look, it's the brilliant "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY" anime poster back at it again with his lofty opinions. Might as well put on a trip so we can filter you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:35:16 2019 No.13173686 >>13172580 What book is this?

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:38:25 2019 No.13173698

>>13173676
>could you explain what makes an argument valid and unvalid?
To me a valid argument is one that makes logical sense. I reject any form of spirituality, leap of faith or mysticism as proof of anything. An invalid argument would be one that doesn't make logical sense, for example:

>Men should not kill other people
>"Why?"
>Because it's bad
>"Who decides the definition of bad?"
>It's just bad shutup

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:39:07 2019 No.13173700
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>>13172580
OP being a massive faggot again. If we didnt have rules and standards then we would be nothing but animals submitting to our every desire and whim. Going to assume you are a ‘dude weeed lmao’ and a devout athiest. People like you are beyond naive while larping as some pseudo-intellectual hyper rationalist. Enjoy your meaningless, materialistic life faggot OP

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:39:29 2019 No.13173702 >>13173686 The story of how I triggered the entire /lit/ board by being honest about my beliefs

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:41:40 2019 No.13173708 >>13173702 In a society you describe you would be the first to go, maybe that’s why you want it, because you wanna die. I feel for you OP, I want you to die too <3

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:42:19 2019 No.13173714 >>13173702 We all know how this is going to end. And if you don't stop, you'll see the results. Nothing more to say. oof

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:45:46 2019 No.13173736

>>13173700
>If we didnt have rules and standards then we would be nothing but animals submitting to our every desire and whim.
There's nothing wrong with this. If you're of reasonable intelligence, you don't need a set of rules to tell you why raping women is probably a bad idea. Or why you shouldn't be an alcoholic. Any reasonable man will exercise moderation and care for his own wellbeing. I repeat, you don't need rules to stop your life falling into chaos.

>Going to assume you are a ‘dude weeed lmao’ and a devout athiest.
I've never smoked weed and I'm not religious but I don't care about convincing religious people they're stupid.

>People like you are beyond naive while larping as some pseudo-intellectual hyper rationalist.
It's not a larp.

>Enjoy your meaningless, materialistic life faggot OP
That's all that awaits you if you follow the rules society has laid out for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:50:42 2019 No.13173760 >>13172580 Your totally right OP. (Arm around shoulder) lets go back to /b/ and leave these larpers to their books kek

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:52:23 2019 No.13173767

>>13173708
>In a society you describe you would be the first to go
Go where?

Society without morals wouldn't devolve into a chaotic free for all. People with a modicum of intelligence know that large scale killing, raping and stealing is counterproductive to survival. I believe people would by and large get along in their own little groups, and only act out violently if their survival was threatened.

You have the freedom to kick your dog to death without anybody finding out. You could easily do it and dispose of the body without anyone catching you. But you don't. Why? Because you gain nothing from mindless cruelty and murder, you know instinctually it's a pointless act.

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Anonymous Fri May 24 10:53:42 2019 No.13173775
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>>13173736
>you don't need a set of rules to tell you why raping women is probably a bad idea
No. You don’t NEED rules but we have them to hold those accountable who do not abide by societal norms. It’s a deterrent.
>convincing religious people they're stupid
I’m not necessarily religious either. Anyone who takes religion at a kindergarten level of understanding (man in the sky) is a brainlet. So is anyone that dismisses it at that same level. Religion/philosophy is just a means of how to Be, a guide to Being. Not understanding this is your fault due to you sucking your own dick at the fact you think you ‘checkmate’ religious people.
>That's all that awaits you if you follow the rules society has laid out for you
Imagine being this weak-willed and submissive. Stand up for what you believe in. Not giving in to your material desires just because they are presented to you overwhelmingly.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:54:37 2019 No.13173778 >>13173771 Cruel Japanese cartoons I honestly can’t think of a more beta thing

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:56:43 2019 No.13173790
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I always thought it was obvious, OP. Only later in life did I realize that the majority of people are a) internalized these made up rules to the point of having negative physiological reaction at the mere thought of breaking the rule (having sex with a child for instance); b) are incapable of independent or unconventional thinking, they can only be taught and led;

tl;dr it's like arguing with believers

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:57:26 2019 No.13173792 >>13173698 Indeed dear wise anon. Do you think reasoning is an act?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:58:33 2019 No.13173796 >>13173767 So basically do what thou wilt with regards to policeman around the corner?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 10:59:07 2019 No.13173801 >>13173778 Otome media is made for women, not betas.

Anonymous Fri May 24 10:59:25 2019 No.13173802

>>13173775
>Anyone who takes religion at a kindergarten level
I don't respect anything who's followers think "faith" and "But logic isn't the only form of proof" as evidence
>Stand up for what you believe in.
I am
>No. You don’t NEED rules
I'm glad we agree

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:00:44 2019 No.13173808 >>13173790 Do you think that it's better to believe things that can be rationally proven then things that can't?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:00:53 2019 No.13173809 >>13173796 Pretty much. If you want to do it because you'll gain something you care about and there's very little or no chance of you getting caught, then do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:01:53 2019 No.13173811 >>13173771 Based

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:03:21 2019 No.13173818

>>13173790
>having sex with a child for instance
It's impossible to discuss this or even play devils advocate because most people have this gag reflex whenever you bring it up. The mere discussion is physically repulsive to them because it's been so ingrained in them that it's the worst thing anyone can do.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:03:55 2019 No.13173823 >>13173818 For good reason cocksucker

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:05:24 2019 No.13173828 >>13173792 >Do you think reasoning is an act? Yes, you have to make a conscious effort to reason anything.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:06:28 2019 No.13173833 >>13173823 Case in point.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:07:01 2019 No.13173835 >>13173828 And do you think that there are rules for how to reason or is it arbitrary?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:07:47 2019 No.13173838 >>13173303 Presumably because this imageboard was created by an anime-watching teenager. You'll have to find the cool kids club somewhere else.

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:08:37 2019 No.13173843
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>>13173802
You are not getting my point and are incapable of standing your ground in this. I was some materialistic/nihilist faggot once but realized there’s more to life and meaning than what I perceive or think to be true. It’s fine to think this way but look outside yourself for once. I can’t imagine living life impulsively and solely based on a material outlook. One day you may grow up but until then you’re at the fedora-tipping stage. Maybe when you’re an adult you’ll understand something

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:10:20 2019 No.13173849 >>13173835 I don't understand what you mean. When I reason, I consider a proposition, any evidence and logic provided and think through it logically myself to see if it all adds up to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:12:03 2019 No.13173859 >>13173843 >I was some materialistic/nihilist faggot I'm neither

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:12:11 2019 No.13173861

The fact is that there is no such thing as a moral "ought." There is no way to legitimately confer upon an "ought" upon a person. No one is actually bound in any moral capacity and no one ever can be, unless they choose to do it to themselves. As such, there is no external morality that people must abide by. If you're willing to admit that morality is only subjective, then you must also admit that anyone may do anything that they choose for any reason that they choose, including having no reason at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:12:46 2019 No.13173864 >>13173849 But in logic, surely there are rules that you need to follow, like not having contradictions, that the conclusion should follow from the premises and things like that?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:15:43 2019 No.13173874 >>13173859 You are materialistic, no doubt. Continue not standing your ground and getting BTFO

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:16:59 2019 No.13173878 >>13173864 Oh, then yes. If you're going to say "AHA" next, I never said rules were universally unnecessary, I said they were unnecessary in regards to morality.

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:18:09 2019 No.13173883

>>13173874
>You are materialistic, no doubt.
And you're basing this on?

>then you must also admit that anyone may do anything that they choose for any reason that they choose, including having no reason at all.
Of course, and I'm free to call that person a fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:19:10 2019 No.13173887 >>13173861 meant to quote you in >>13173883

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:20:26 2019 No.13173896

>>13173808
To be honest the concept of belief is alien to me. I just don't get it. I could say I believed in science but then I realized how complex unfathomable the universe is and how simple and limited human mind in comparison so I don't know anymore. Maybe there is only belief because we're incapable of truly knowing something.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:21:25 2019 No.13173901 >>13173878 Does a moral system tell you how you should act?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:22:01 2019 No.13173903 >>13173901 Yes. Are you going to get to the point any time soon?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:22:32 2019 No.13173908 >>13173883 >Of course, and I'm free to call that person a fucking retard. It's not morally wrong to be retarded (or anything else for that matter) so it doesn't matter whether you call them that or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:23:26 2019 No.13173915 >>13173896 If we are incapable of knowing anything, do you know that or believe that?

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:24:28 2019 No.13173921

>>13173887
What you’ve said so far in original post and responses clearly signals your materialism. You dismiss laws because your naive objectivism as well as ethics and morals. You say we should get away with what we can. That mindset is textbook materialism. That fact you cannot read yourself is proof enough of your naivety

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:25:09 2019 No.13173925 >>13173908 I don't care if someone considers something morally wrong, I don't live by a moral code.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:26:20 2019 No.13173935 >>13173921 I can show you a picture of my room. It has a bed, a desk and a chair. And that's it. No trinkets or posters or possessions.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:27:12 2019 No.13173945 >>13173903 And did you say that reasoning is an act? And didn't you say that there are rules for how to reason, which is an act? And didn't you say that a moral system tells you how to act? Isn't then the rules of reason a moral system?

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:28:52 2019 No.13173954

>>13173790
I get it. You think you are special because you can think these thoughts and not necessarily act on them, whereas others are so brainwashed they can’t even think about it. You actually think moral people don’t have immoral thoughts, or they do but feel bad, where’s you don’t and therefore your superior. But what you don’t understand is that moral people train in moral thinking because thoughts are to actions what causes are to effects. You think your fooling us by making this all about a subjective experience, you have a free imagination, but see how your ideas translate into not only bashing the good but validating the bad. Look at our world and see that it’s thinking like yours is the impetus to heinous crimes. Your not part of a shitty world, you embody what’s shitty about the world. Which is why justifying your thoughts is akin to justifying your existence, both, you admitted were a mistake. You’re a fucking retard anon

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:28:59 2019 No.13173955 >>13173915 As I said, without knowing there is only believing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:29:44 2019 No.13173956 >>13173955 So belif is the only thing we can go by?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:29:57 2019 No.13173959 >>13173925 Good (not really) for you. Neither do I.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:31:08 2019 No.13173962 >>13173790 Imagine your whole philosophy being built around being an incel who wants to fuck kids and is seething that he can’t lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:31:51 2019 No.13173963 >>13173945 >And didn't you say that a moral system tells you how to act? You just made a leap in logic. There are rules for reasoning, which is an act. But morality is not an act, it's telling you HOW NOT to act.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:32:49 2019 No.13173969 >>13173921 You are materialistic in thought. Physical and thoughtful materialism in not mutually exclusive

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:33:23 2019 No.13173971 >>13173962 You're just proving his point. And you're either too stupid to see that or shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:38:13 2019 No.13173986 >>13173963 Sorry for the blunder wise anon Does there exist moral systems that tell you how to act? Also, are the rules of reason an act?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:39:27 2019 No.13173992 >>13173971 No he’s pointing out the obvious moron, op is a pedo and trying to intellectualize it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:40:37 2019 No.13173995 >>13173956 Seems like it. It's just some people are predisposed to "rational" and others to "irrational" believes.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:41:08 2019 No.13173999 >>13173992 t. brainlet >>13173986 Yes No, reasoning is the act. The rules themselves are not an act.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:48:33 2019 No.13174023 >>13173969 For >>13173935

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:48:34 2019 No.13174024 WRONG, UGLY, PATHETIC, STUPID, A MISTAKE & A PEDOPHILE /thread

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:49:37 2019 No.13174028 >>13174024 >/threading your own post back to r*eddit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:51:27 2019 No.13174039 >>13174028 STOP THINKING ABOUT FUCKING KIDS YOU DEGENERATE PIECE OF SHIT

Anonymous Fri May 24 11:54:57 2019 No.13174049

>>13173999
Sorry for my smol brain, but it seems as if you have conceded that
1: Moral systems tells you how to act
2: Reasoning is an act
3: The rules of reason tells you how to reason.
4(2,3): The rules of reason tells you how to act.
5(1,4): The rules of reason contains the element the makes something a moral system, so it can function as one, and arguably is one.
Seems as if you kinda follow a moral system but is to shy to tell anyone about it, it's okay to be a moral realist anon : )

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:56:19 2019 No.13174057 >>13174049 >The rules of reason tells you how to act No. >The rules of reason contains the element the makes something a moral system No.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:57:20 2019 No.13174062 >>13174057 PE DO PHILE

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 11:59:51 2019 No.13174071 >>13172580 >Rape is not inherently bad RAPIST >>13173790 >having sex with a child PEDOPHILE STOP TALKING PHILOSOPHY OP WANTS TO FUCK CHILDREN

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:00:07 2019 No.13174074 >>13174057 Didn't you admit that reason is an act? And didn't you say that there are rules for how to reason?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:10:31 2019 No.13174119 >>13174074 Yes Yes But rules are not an act. Rules tell you how to reason. That's all.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:10:43 2019 No.13174124 File: 108 KB, 589x589, zarathustra.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13172580 Edgelord cunt.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:12:16 2019 No.13174133 >>13174119 THE RULES OF REASON TELL YOU HOW TO VALIDATE YOURSELF ANON UR A FUCKING RETARD YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOLLOWER/BELIEVER BECAUSE YOUR BELIEFS FUNCTION ON YOU WITHOUT U EVEN KNEW WING IT AND YOUR A PEDO FUCKKKK YOUUUUU

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:14:48 2019 No.13174143 >>13174119 Doesn't the rules of reason tell you how to act given the facts that: 1: Reason is an act 2: The rules of reasoning tells you how to reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:24:14 2019 No.13174196 OP BTFO AGAIN

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:34:49 2019 No.13174257 File: 497 KB, 245x245, F57C3404-3B09-4589-A5BE-F66A6FC061E0.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don’t think he’s coming back

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 12:52:36 2019 No.13174327 >>13172599 >changing beliefs about the nature of reality because your feelings are hurt >actually suggesting this is correct reasoning and not just admitting you're a pussy

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 13:00:33 2019 No.13174356 >>13173091 I dunno, shall you?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 13:05:25 2019 No.13174380 >>13173505 Humans evolved lying right after cooperation.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 13:09:46 2019 No.13174402 >>13172580 dudee! u almost me cut me there

Anonymous Fri May 24 13:10:23 2019 No.13174405

>>13172580
It's true that humans aren't purely logical beings but that doesn't imply that we don't feel sincere guilt and that we have a natural tendency towards rape, muder, stealing. In fact, with that argument, you are trying to say that human mind is reductible to some simply material needs, you are the one taking humans as purely logical beings.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 13:12:50 2019 No.13174421 Oh god kill yourself you fucking weeb

Anonymous Fri May 24 13:45:58 2019 No.13174589
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>>13173790
I think there are multiple factors. Most people being dumb is one factor. Just look how many people are making non-arguments like "well if we all thought like you did you'd be less happy. checkmate!". They don't worry about logical implication, they just vaguely feel there's a contradiction in there somewhere. This is the best they can come up with to support their beliefs.

A second is that an average person is much more socially motivated than I am. Maybe they just care about social cohesion more than they do about truth. And they care about stopping other people from disrupting social cohesion more than admitting the truth behind their motivations. (Think about how smart people react to arguments about genetic racial differences. They may not even argue because they know they can't prove what they want to be true, but they'll still condemn bringing up the topic in the first place because objectively hammering out the truth is probably going to be harmful to the collective.)

But there's one last thing I didn't consider until recently. Maybe they legitimately believe their feelings are objective truth because they feel them much more strongly or in a different way than I do. When you see things light isn't occurring in your brain as an abstract concept, it's just something implanted in your brain that your thoughts can't affect. Sensory input seems like objective truth. Maybe to them morality is the same way, implanted in their brain as if they sensed it, like animal instinct. After all animal societies have rules and I question whether they're expressed abstractly through animal language. Maybe their anger and disgust at people disagreeing with the objectivity of their moral feelings is as if someone walked up and started questioning whether light was really informing you of objective truth. Abstractly you might think they technically have a point but in practice it's just so obvious light is a reflection of reality that you'll eventually tell them to fuck off and let you keep using vision to live your life. It could be something similar happening here.

>>13174405
>we have a natural tendency towards rape, murder, stealing
We blatantly do. There have to be rules with threat of retaliatory violence and indoctrination of children that our ethical system is an objective part of reality so those things don't happen as much.

Anonymous Fri May 24 13:56:27 2019 No.13174633

>>13172580
We are a species that only survives and thrives as a group where murder and deceit among the group hurts chances for survival. Natural selection chose for traits that resist those things. If murder and deceit (within the tribe, local group) was somehow beneficial to survival, we would not have any issue with those things.
Morals are just our instict to resist acts that undermine social cohesion, and thus increase our chance for survival. Theyre not spooks, but theyre not anything that transcends our physical being or exists outside humanity's perception.

Anonymous Fri May 24 13:58:21 2019 No.13174643

>>13174633
>If murder and deceit (within the tribe, local group) was somehow beneficial to survival, we would not have any issue with those things.
They are. Getting beaten to death by another chimp just isn't beneficial to survival either. So we strike a balance (which changes depending on how much we need the other chimp's food and whether he's looking).

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:08:35 2019 No.13174690

>>13174643
>they are
No theyre not. If you live in a hunter gatherer tribe, murdering other members is likely to doom your whole group to starvation.

Just because you don't feel morality doesnt mean other don't as well. Its a force that allowed groups to grow past a few individuals.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:18:02 2019 No.13174733 >>13172938 >Acting morally good breeds weakness You might be the dumbest individual on God's green earth

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:20:52 2019 No.13174744

>>13174690
>no see murdering the rest of your hunter gatherer tribe is disadvantageous therefore everyone inherently feels absolute modern morality with no situational variation
Bullshit you intellectually dishonest faggot. It's completely plausible for theft and lying to be advantageous. Modern people lie fucking constantly despite being told not to and you're going to pretend it's absolute inviolable instinct to not deceive each other's in-group? Fuck off.

Most people don't want to randomly murder each other. If you keep catching some other guy raping your wife and killing your children you're probably going to start wanting some murder, though. Even here it's all situational, like I said.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:26:28 2019 No.13174786 >>13173066 You're such a fucking baby. Get help.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:27:53 2019 No.13174794

>>13172580
>hating and suppressing your own moral intuitions this much
What a shame. In regards to the good, you aren't wrong about "good people". Such people are not perfectly good and that should be pretty apparent. Still though, they at least somewhat instantiate goodness; hopefully more than badness, to be considered a good person.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:28:39 2019 No.13174802

>>13174633
>If murder and deceit (within the tribe, local group)
We don't have tribes anymore, people don't even regard their own close family as part of their tribe. You can't keep using the social cohesion argument when there are no more true social groups.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:29:43 2019 No.13174810 >>13174733 It's true though. Taking pity on others leads to weakness. When an Eskimo elder gets too old they abandon them because they're dead weight.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:29:56 2019 No.13174811
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Daily reminder that I debunked you op. You have zero arguments against me, and any argumrnt against me would debunk itself as you assume reason. Also read Kant and clean your room

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:30:57 2019 No.13174816 >>13174786 I'm the baby? You're the one who needs a fucking babysitter just to get through life.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:30:57 2019 No.13174817

>>13174744
I never said everyone feels absolute modern morality. I said sabotaging the group you rely on to survive was selected against, so as a group we resist it. Individually we hope to get ahead and spread our genes, but never at the cost of destroying the group we rely on for us and our offspring to survive.
My initial argument was that we are products of natural selection.
And nobody would ever call the killing of someone who is trying to hurt/kill your family as "murder"

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:32:23 2019 No.13174829

>>13174811
>Daily reminder that I debunked you op
No you didn't.

If you're that guy who spent an hour asking me questions, you wasted your time. You just gave up at the end when you realised I wasn't going to say what you wanted me to say and made leaps of logic and just invented random shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:32:51 2019 No.13174833 >>13174802 We are products of natural selection faggot and we evolved as tribal creatures

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:33:03 2019 No.13174837 >>13174810 A truly good man has no weaknesses. >a good man cannot be harmed either in life or in death

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:37:06 2019 No.13174863

>>13174829
Lol u mad bro. Try to argue against my position and I'll show why you are wrong.
1: Reason is an act.
2: There are rules for reason.
3(2,1): There are rules for acting.
4: Moral systems are rules acting.
5(2,3,4): Any epistomological claim assumes normative rules if said claim is based on reason.
You literaly kant and gave up like a little baby.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:38:10 2019 No.13174872 >>13174794 >hating and suppressing your own moral intuitions this much There's no hate or supression, babies aren't born morally minded. I was never moral, not as a child and not as an adult. It's an indoctrination tactic and it didn't work on me.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:38:37 2019 No.13174876 >>13174863 *moral systems are rules for acting.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:39:24 2019 No.13174883

>>13174817
>I said sabotaging the group you rely on to survive was selected against, so as a group we resist it
And I said that is not absolutely true hurting your group is disadvantageous so it is not true those rules are psychologically inviolable, they are just situational tendencies. You took issue with this for some reason, despite modern society empirically disagreeing with you.

>And nobody would ever call the killing of someone who is trying to hurt/kill your family as "murder"
Many people would still want to hunt them down after they were done raping and killing your family.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:41:40 2019 No.13174891

>>13174833
And when there's no actual tribes left people have no reason to stick to tribal morality. You don't owe it to your neighbour not to steal his cow. If he dies your survival chances are not affected in the slightest. Tribal morality existed because if one member died, that was an honest fucking hit to your survival chances. In the 21st century it has no purpose.

Any retard still living by a moral code is going to get taken advantage of by someone like me sooner or later.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:43:30 2019 No.13174909

>>13174872
>babies aren't born morally minded
I agree. That is because moral intuitions are intuitions of the intellect, which is developed later in life. The implication of this is that you, whether by accident or bad teaching or whatever reason, have not properly grown into your own intellect and thus said intuitions are suppressed. I assumed you hate such intuitions seen in others considering your original post.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:43:55 2019 No.13174910

>>13174837
Those are nice platitudes but they're not of any use.

If one tribe looks after its elderly, cares for its sick and raises poor quality children to adulthood they're going to get their asses blown out by the spartan like dickheads who chew nails for breakfast. In the modern world this equates to you and any poor retard under your supervision being prey for people with no moral code.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:48:07 2019 No.13174937

>>13174863
>1: Reason is an act.
True
>2: There are rules for reason.
True
>3(2,1): There are rules for acting.
False
>4: Moral systems are rules acting.
False

There are no rules for acting. Moral systems are not rules "acting", moral systems are a set of rules. That's all. You choose to act based on those rules, I don't. That's not the rules acting, that's you and me.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:51:57 2019 No.13174953 >>13174863 >X is a Y >X has property P >therefore Y has property P

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:53:02 2019 No.13174960

>>13174909
>That is because moral intuitions are intuitions of the intellect
False. If you dump a child in the woods and let it mature to adulthood, it doesn't suddenly develop morals. Morals are taught, not inherited or "awoken" by intellect. Morality is not a logical conclusion of how to live.
>have not properly grown into your own intellect and thus said intuitions are suppressed
No retard, like I just said morality is learned, not inherited.
>I assumed you hate such intuitions seen in others
I don't hate the concept of morality, I just think in modern times especially it's handicapping yourself for no benefit.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:53:35 2019 No.13174964

>>13174937
Premise 3 follows from 1 and 2, so you ar e retarded and irrational. You actually offer zero arguments.
Moral systems are rules for acting, and as I have shown you assume morality everytime you reason.
God, I thought that you were an intelligent person but you're just a retarded bad faith actor. I can now safely disregard you and your worldview.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:53:38 2019 No.13174965 >>13172583 >>13172584 >>13172586 hahaha very funny, i love memes right. Imagine being 15 and wasting your time on 4chan lmao.

Anonymous Fri May 24 14:53:46 2019 No.13174966

>>13174910
>Those are nice platitudes but they're not of any use.
Out of context I suppose you'd be right.
You claim being good leads to weakness. What is weakness, besides being vulnerable to bad things? If what is good is most ultimately valuable as an end, and one is already a good person, then the only bad thing which could be afflicted upon them would be the theft of such goodness. Since goodness is something that cannot be taken away from a truly good person, a good person necessarily is not vulnerable to any bad things and thus has no weaknesses. I hope you understand what I am saying.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:54:14 2019 No.13174969 >>13172580 thanks, OP! just raped your mom, bro! couldn't have summoned up the courage to do it without your sage advice ;)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 14:59:10 2019 No.13174992 >>13174969 Cool, didn't like her anyway. Terrible person, I've got 0 respect for her.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:00:12 2019 No.13174996 >>13174964 >Premise 3 follows from 1 and 2 Saying things doesn't make them true. Especially when you keep mixing what you believe with what I said.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:00:37 2019 No.13175002 >>13174953 Actually X is Y X has property Z then Y has property Z if Z then part of set M X is part of set M

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:01:15 2019 No.13175007 >>13174964 >and as I have shown you assume morality everytime you reason No retard, just no. All rules are not morality. Where are you getting this shit?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:02:19 2019 No.13175014 >>13175002 You did not say X is Y. You said X is a Y. "An act" is not equivalent to "reason".

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:02:57 2019 No.13175021 >>13174992 how the fuck do people become this edgy?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:03:58 2019 No.13175027 >>13174966 >I hope you understand what I am saying. Yes, and I hope you understand "good" people do not exist. No matter how hard you try to be good, it will never reach a point where if someone rapes you and your child, you'll just shrug it off.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:04:22 2019 No.13175028 >>13175007 Moraliry is the regulation of behavior according to abstract rules. >>13174996 They actually do, but you can't understand it.

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:05:54 2019 No.13175041

>>13175021
It's not edginess.

Do you associate with people you don't like? No. So why is your mother special? Why are blood relatives given special treatment? That's just being a doormat. I don't like my mother as a person, as a human being. I just don't and never have. So I don't associate myself with her, and I don't care about her or what happens to her.

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:06:58 2019 No.13175051

>>13174891
>>13174891
Obviously morals aren't necessary anymore but they are ingrained in our society since we evolved under different circumstances. We dont just get rid of everything that we developed for survival since its not necessary anymore.
With so much food abundance we dont need to store excess fat anymore but since thats how we evolved, it still happens today.
Our biology doesnt give a shit what our society is today, only the conditions we evolved under.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:07:33 2019 No.13175055 >>13175028 >Moraliry is the regulation of behavior according to abstract rules. Yes, this does not mean all sets of rules, in this case the rules of reasoning, are morality. How does that make any sense to you?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:08:28 2019 No.13175060 >>13175041 >why are blood relatives given special treatment Because we pass on our genes through blood relatives?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:09:44 2019 No.13175066 >>13175055 All regulations of behavior according to abstract principles are morality. Fine?

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:10:00 2019 No.13175067

>>13175051
>but they are ingrained in our society
Solely because we still beat them into the heads of children from as soon as they can talk.
>We dont just get rid of everything that we developed for survival since its not necessary anymore.
Why not?
>With so much food abundance we dont need to store excess fat anymore but since thats how we evolved, it still happens today.
That's biology, morality is an abstract idea.

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:10:37 2019 No.13175070

>>13174960
>If you dump a child in the woods and let it mature to adulthood, it doesn't suddenly develop morals
Right, and neither does it develop an intellect, so the pieces all fit together. A small child dumped in the woods until adulthood would be akin to an animal insofar as it ruled by its body's survival instincts and appetites, not the intellect. The intellect of such a person would very apparently be undeveloped; meaning their moral intuitions would also be very apparently undeveloped and thus miss the good.
I'll clarify a little more since I've been pretty vague. True moral intuitions come form the intellect. An undeveloped intellect still has moral intuitions, it is just that such intuitions are very often not truly good (though still possibly good by accident). In the case of the forest child they would still desire mere survival no matter the cost as to him this is a good thing, but under the scrutiny of the intellect they would realize that they are mistaken about what is really good. Throughout all of this moral intuitions are present, all of which being in reference to the Good, for without such our moral intuitions would never exist in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:11:18 2019 No.13175077 >>13175060 You fuck your relatives? On a serious note, so what? I don't care about my ancestry, my legacy or my genes. None of that shit helps me here and now and it wouldn't gain me anything in the future either.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:13:07 2019 No.13175089 >>13175027 >"good" people do not exist Do you also think "red" firetrucks do not exist? Goodness is a property like any other property, and nothing you've said makes me think it is impossible for a person to have this property.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:13:30 2019 No.13175093 >>13175066 >All regulations of behavior according to abstract principles are morality. Nope. Not true. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:14:24 2019 No.13175099 >>13175060 This leads to very big next question. Why are genes good and thus worth preserving?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:14:41 2019 No.13175101 >>13175070 >Right, and neither does it develop an intellect, so the pieces all fit together. Not really. It didn't learn morality because no one taught it morality.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:16:15 2019 No.13175114 >>13175101 You can respond to the content of my previous post if you want to continue.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:17:03 2019 No.13175122 >>13175077 My relatives have many of the same genes. My parents having another kid creates another entity with the same expected fraction of my genetics as if I have one with a stranger.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:18:01 2019 No.13175132 >>13175122 >My parents having another kid creates another entity with the same expected fraction of my genetics as if I have one with a stranger. And you've still yet to explain why this is matters.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:19:34 2019 No.13175144 >>13175132 I'm not him. You did not understand why assisting with the reproductive success of relatives would be evolutionary selected for so I explained it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:21:30 2019 No.13175160 >>13175021 bad anime, ugly facial features

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:21:50 2019 No.13175163 >>13175144 No, I understood that. What I don't understand is why you place any value at all in reproduction?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:23:37 2019 No.13175172 >>13175093 Just becuase you say things doesn't make it so lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:24:16 2019 No.13175177 >>13175144 his parents are the reason for him being born ugly, thus defining his entire personality that you see here. you'll never convince a person like him to love them

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:26:57 2019 No.13175192 >>13175163 I didn't realize you were entirely joking. I guess I could have inferred from the 'on a serious note' >>13175177 I'm just in this conversation because I think evolutionary biology is cool, desu.

Anonymous Fri May 24 15:41:14 2019 No.13175257

>>13175163
It doesnt have any objective value, but everyone who thought it wasnt important didn't have kids, and those who thought it was important had kids. So the next generation of people was made of offspring of people who valued reproduction. There's obviously a genetic component.
Have you ever learned about natural selection?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:47:57 2019 No.13175295 >>13175257 I know why it happens, but do you have any reason for wanting to do it that isn't "it's in my genes to do it"?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:01:48 2019 No.13175365 >>13172580 Based Max Stirner poster

Anonymous Fri May 24 16:04:45 2019 No.13175378

>>13175295
Our genes pushing us to do something is obviously powerful enough that it likely doesnt need any justification.
(Why do you eat? If not because our genes make it pleasurable to do so and make avoiding it displeasureable? Its possible to have a genetic abnormality where you dont feel hungry even after days)
But to give you a better answer, it's because our generic code has programes the production of a protein that produces seratonin when we achieve things, such as secure a mate, or produce offspring. Seratonin makes you feel good, and therefore people do those things.
Ultimately every act is hedonistic (avoiding pain and pursuing pleasure)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:04:47 2019 No.13175379 >>13172849 hurr durr why does anyone feel like doing anything in 4chan... take your fucking meds you depressed faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:16:21 2019 No.13175428 >>13172586 haha great post my reddit friend! You just got upvote! Fucking kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 16:18:40 2019 No.13175438 >>13175379 >missing the point this much

Anonymous Fri May 24 16:35:05 2019 No.13175521

>>13173066
What the fuck are you going to do about it idiot? The fact of the matter is that you present no threat to society because society has tools to deal with any violence you're capable of committing. Go shoot up a school. Go rape someone. If it even makes it to the news all it will amount to is a sliver of discomfort in someone's twitter feed. Society will never collectively believe what you believe because it has specific mechanisms for installing belief that aren't altered or affected by your resentment of them. Now do something impressive or fuck off forever

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