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[Anonymous No.13168901]

This was a good book. I highly recommend it. There is a copy on libgen.

[Anonymous No.13168963]

>>13168901

Author has already came out and publically denounced white nationalism after the book was released. What he really means is The Virtue of Zionism.

[R Æ V S S Q A N D V S !KNDYYIIins No.13169115]

>>13168963

1. «WHITE NATIONALISM» IS A MISNOMER; THE ACCURATE TERM IS: «WHITE ETHNOTRIBALISM», OR: «WHITE SUPREMACISM», OR: «WHITE ETHNOSUPREMACISM»; ETHNOTRIBALISM IS ANTITHETICAL TO NATIONALISM.

2. «WHITE ETHNOTRIBALISM» IS HOMOLOGOUS TO, AND FACILITATING OF, ZIONISM; «WHITE ETHNOTRIBALISTS» ARE ZIONIST «USEFUL IDIOTS», THEREFORE, TO CLAIM THAT BEING AGAINST «WHITE ETHNOTRIBALISM» IS TANTAMOUNT TO BEING PROZIONISTIC CONSTITUTES AN ABSURDITY INDICATIVE OF IGNORANCE, IDIOCY, OR BOTH.

[Anonymous No.13169155]

>>13168963
>Author has already came out and publically denounced white nationalism
source?

[Anonymous No.13169360]

>>13168963
>>13169155
Never mind, I found it.
http://time.com/5431089/trump-white-nationalism-bible/

I'm officially done with this guy. This is some sloppy boomer shit.

Liberal Jews like Eric Kaufmann can at least give white nationalism a fair treatment. Conservatives/zionists are just playing their retarded boomer-nationalist tune, which fails to really understand the current problems.

[Anonymous No.13169405]

>>13169360
The more I read about Hazony's book the more it sounds like some pure neocon/zionist propaganda. It was even endorsed by Ben Shapiro and NYTimes.

[Anonymous No.13169428]

>>13169405
Maybe you should read the book and desire for yourself

[Anonymous No.13169434]

>>13168901
FUCK NATIONALISM
FUCK PATRIOTISM

WE ARE ALL ONE! THE HUMAN RACE YOU FUCKING NAZIS!

[Anonymous No.13169449]

>>13169434
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.13169454]

>>13169434
>>13169449
this but ironically

[Anonymous No.13169479]

>>13169434
>>13169449
>>13169454
this but im also trans

[Anonymous No.13169487]

>>13169434
Hell yeah brother Im a citizen of the world (ofc ill never actually go to the icky parts tho lmao)

[Anonymous No.13169497]

>>13168901
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/05/israel-virture-of-nationalism-book/
From the review it sounds like this book is just a butthurt zionist’s overly long rant.

[Anonymous No.13169501]

>>13169428
No, I've read enough and I'm not wasting time with anything endorsed by fucking Ben Shapiro.

>>13169434
Actually the author of the book would agree unironically. He's a civnat neocon zionist.

[Anonymous No.13169520]

>>13168901
Anti semites can FUCK OFF. -OP

[Anonymous No.13169531]

>>13168901
>It is necessary to distinguish between nationality and nationalism. The Middle Ages knew nationalities but not nationalisms. Nationality is a natural factor that encompasses a certain group of common elementary characteristics that are retained both in the hierarchical differentiation and in the hierarchical participation, which they do not oppose. Therefore, during the Middle Ages, castes, social bodies, and orders were articulated within various nationalities, and while the types of the warrior, noble, merchant, and artisan conformed to the characteristics of this or of that nation, these articulations represented at the same time wider, international units. Hence, the possibility for the members of the same caste who came from different nations to understand each other better than the members of different castes within the same nation.

>Modern nationalism represents, with regard to this, a movement in the opposite direction. Modern nationalism is not based on a natural unity, but on an artificial and centralizing one. The need for this type of unity was increasingly felt at the same time as the natural and healthy sense of nationality was lost and as individuals approached the state of pure quantity, of being merely the masses, after every authentic tradition and qualitative articulation was destroyed. Nationalism acts upon these masses through myths and suggestions that are likely to galvanize them, awaken elementary instincts in them, flatter them with the perspectives and fancies of supremacy, exclusivism, and power. Regardless of its myths, the substance of modern nationalism is not anethnos buta demos, and its prototype always remains the plebeian one produced by the French Revolution.

>This is why nationalism has a double face. It accentuates and elevates to the state of absolute value a particularistic principle; therefore, the possibilities of mutual understanding and cooperation between nations are reduced to a bare minimum, without even considering the forms of leveling guaranteed by modem civilization. What seems to continue here is the same tendency through which the arising of national states corresponded to the disintegration of the European ecumene.

>Even when nationalism speaks of "tradition," it has nothing to do with what used to go by that name in ancient civilizations; it is rather a myth or fictitious continuity based on a minimum common denominator that consists in the mere belonging to a given group. Through the concept of "tradition," nationalism aims at consolidating a collective dimension by placing behind the individual the mythical, deified, and collectivized unity of all those who preceded him. In this sense, Chesterton was right to call this type of tradition "the democracy of the dead." Here the dimension of transcendence, or of what is superior to history, is totally lacking.

- from the so called "super-nazi" that nobody actually reads on this board

[Anonymous No.13169558]

>>13169531
Why would anyone here care about some trashy neocon shitter?

[Anonymous No.13169568]

>>13169558
>neocon

[Anonymous No.13169569]

>>13169558
Shut da FUCK up.

[Anonymous No.13169686]

>>13169531
>>13169558
"To have gathered from the air a live tradition
or from a fine old eye the unconquered flame
This is not vanity.
Here error is all in the not done,
all in the diffidence that faltered."

Evola and Pound are here quite right. The spirit and essence is not held within the particular forms and traditions (in the exoteric, jurisprudential and aesthetic sense) of a nation.

Each generation will rekindle Il Fuoco in its own form, manner and movement.

[Anonymous No.13169699]

>>13169497
He even supports the invasion of Iraq, what a joke. I hope he realizes that once white boomers are dead and US becomes majority brown Israel won't have as much support anymore.

(It's not all retarded, though, but it's pretty retarded and out of touch with current metapolitics/trends.)

[Anonymous No.13171131]

I too have read it OP, let's talk about it.
It made some points here and there but it left a bitter taste in my mouth. All in all, I would say that I ended up disappointed

[Anonymous No.13171593]

>>13169360
I think this is a cheap dismissal. He’s pointing out (correctly) that there is no white nation. He doesn’t have a problem with German, Irish, or Polish Nationalisms. He has even voiced support, to the shock of the neocons with whom many in this thread lump him, for Christian Nationalism.
I’m no fan of nation states. They’re yet another disastrous prot invention (I like nations, though). Hazony deserves two cheers though, for his criticism of liberal universalism and the enlightenment.
I don’t really care if he’s a Zionist, that’s at least a position that has some roots to it.

[Anonymous No.13171610]

>>13168901

Nationalism is a spook. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.13171842]

>>13171593
Well, his criticism of universalist and enlightenment is certainly valid, however his support for Christian Nationalism is aimed towards prot/evangelical/prot-leaning Christianity, or at least anything but Catholicism , which is universal by principle.
Also, his comment on white nationalism, while correct, will never be met with any endearment by "white nationalists" (and many others) because of the identity issue surrounding "jewishness". He can exhort Israeli and Jewish nationalism at the same time but he cannot condone simultaneously "white nationalism" and specific nation-state nationalism (i.e. french, german, hungarian, etc).
Furthermore, in the book it's ridiculous just how much he avoids even addressing the Palestine in any way, shape or form, resorting to some "jabs" here and there

[Anonymous No.13172299]

>>13171593
>He’s pointing out (correctly) that there is no white nation.
White people in the US perceive themselves and are perceived as a distinct group. Whether that's enough for it to be a 'nation' or not is a matter of debate.
The US was also de facto a somewhat white (nationalist) country until the 1960s.

Either way, he has an agenda with it (you can tell the way he links it with Nazism) and can't treat it fairly.