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[Anonymous No.13162139]

Was he right about revolution and the social function of art?

[Anonymous No.13162147]

>>13162139

This guy is no fun incarnated. Also: he didn't produce neither great art nor great science, so he is useless.

Don't waste your time with him.

[Anonymous No.13162151]

>>13162139
Jewish people are smart

[Anonymous No.13162183]

>>13162151
Correct.

[Anonymous No.13162189]

>>13162183
Too smart for my taste

[Anonymous No.13162190]

>>13162147
>He didn't produce neither

Ah, clever dialectic reversal. So what do you think his great aesthetic contribution is? Minima Moralia? And for science? Negative dialectical spin on historical materialism?

[Anonymous No.13162233]

>>13162139
I dislike critics as they influence the masses to an extent even they don't imagine.
And they're never really subversive, as only their convenient ideas emerge to the surface and get instantly integrated into the system.

[Anonymous No.13162238]

>>13162190
>Minima Moralia

Not art.


>Negative dialectical spin on historical materialism

Not science.

[Anonymous No.13162245]

>>13162147
>he didn't produce neither
Does a double negation affirm in the english language ?

[Anonymous No.13162270]

>>13162139
as a middle class jewish male intellectual in the 20th century, Adorno could technically lay claim to being othered and discriminated, but that doesn't keep him from being a shitty person who obviously had issues with women, black people and queer people. It's so blatant. When cishet white male leftists criticise 'consumerism' most of the time it is barely disguised bigotry and resentiment at a popular culture that for the first time in history refuses to pander exclusively to people who look like them. Popular culture is far more empowering, diverse and participative than whatever goes by high culture these days. The alt right has appropriated the discourse of anti consumerism with memes like 'soiiboy' 'clownworld' so that is enough to make one question whether that discourse was originally progressive in the first place.

[Anonymous No.13162327]

>>13162270
nothing goes by "high culture" these days
also, sweetheart, it's people of color, cool it with the slurs

[Anonymous No.13162342]

>>13162327
>‘Even if it focuses on the totality of modern, urban society, Adorno’s philosophy remains limited in a bourgeois-European way, and is thus provincial. The philosopher who in his writings described the inadequacy of the thought that identifies as essentially a problem of language, and who committed critical thought to reflection, was far too insensitive and unreflective as far as his own language was concerned to notice the implicit racism it contained. Adorno’s not liking jazz and so criticising it can be shrugged off as aestheticism or a judgement of personal taste, but that he spoke without ado about the “Blacks”, whenever he meant jazz musicians, the ‘jazz subjects’, must either count as reactionary (a ban on jazz) or uncritical (stupidity). Nothing confirms so clearly how Adorno blindly took over the racist cliché, as the following sentence: “I have no prejudice against the Blacks; they distinguish themselves in no way from the Whites, other than in their skin colour.” Adorno obviously completely ignored the enormous influence of African and Afro-American culture on European modernism.’

[Anonymous No.13162360]

>>13162270
I want to shoot you in the head.

[Anonymous No.13162371]

>>13162245
Yes. That poster is an absolute fool for trying to espouse dismissive criticism of a writer he clearly can't understand. He's using grammar beyond his ability in a desperate bid to seem intelligent--and worst of all, doesn't seem to realise the fatuousness of it.

[Anonymous No.13162376]

>jewish
Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.13162389]

FUCK NON GERMANIC MUSIC
FUCK NATIONALISM
FUCK *YOU*

[Anonymous No.13162397]

>>13162270
>i saw a movie and it made me feel good
>this is revolutionary

[Anonymous No.13162417]

>>13162371

I think you defend him because you yourself read a lot of philosophy and have writing projects in philosophical areas. In a way in defending Adorno you are defending yourself.

[Anonymous No.13162418]

>>13162147
>Evolution did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of dialectical change is for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and work. A Marxist regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Marxism. There is no humor in Marxism. There is no fun in Marxism. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.

[Anonymous No.13162420]

>>13162360
Adorno’s homophobia is prototypical of a larger tendency in his work: To fear, shun, mock, and mope about the Other, whether it’s gays, non-intellectuals, jazz fans, women, etc., etc. He doesn’t look upon the Other as a possibly viable alternative, or one he might learn something from: It is simply a threat, and one that has already done enough damage to his world (which had the potential to be the best of all possible worlds, I guess!), and which needs to be neutralized.

you only ever hear white guys talking about the spectacle and the culture industry, why? because people of color and trans and queer folks have life or death issues to worry about.
>All that once was directly lived has become mere representation
you don't know what its like NOT to be represented, or actively misrepresented by popular media so stfu

[Anonymous No.13162435]

>>13162420
Homophobia is justified.

[Anonymous No.13162475]

So far no one in the thread has demonstrated an understanding of Adorno's thoughts on revolution and the social function of art

[Anonymous No.13162477]

>>13162270
You could use the structure of this inane little discourse of yours to argue that Doritos/McDonald's/Coke is likewise the most democratic, nutritious (yes you'd slip that in there or heavily imply it due to your ideological leaps), and inclusive food--due to its prevalence and wide demographic consumer base across races, economics, and global territories--and therefore the best.

But, if it were something so obvious as corporate junkfood you'd actually be advocating making better food, and better education regarding nutrition, accessible to everyone. And you'd be criticising just what economic or even political interests benefit from marketing this 'inclusive' junkfood.

Interesting how you do the exact opposite when it comes to corporate, facile culture.

[Anonymous No.13162481]

>>13162475
I'm shocked

[Anonymous No.13162487]

>>13162151
They're one type of smart at least.

[Anonymous No.13162497]

>>13162420
pop culture does not help people with life or death issues
it's shallow entertainment for the comfortable

[Anonymous No.13162508]

>>13162477
your discourse betrays this really creepy impulse to police peoples bodies and the food they put into their bodies. healthism and fatphobia are real and intersect with gender, race and class prejudices.

[Anonymous No.13162509]

>>13162497
Yeah, that applies to marxism too

[Anonymous No.13162515]

>>13162417
You're wrong. I'm a strength and conditioning coach for athletes. I guess it's time to reevaluate yourself as perhaps not as insightful as you believe yourself to be. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.13162517]

>>13162477
>Interesting
no it isn't

[Anonymous No.13162519]

>>13162475
>thoughts on revolution

He doesn’t use data to confirm his views; it's all pure opinion, thus highly suspicious.

Why he doesn’t use data? Because is far easier to sit on your office reading and come up with theories to massage your own ego and feel creative and useful. It would take much more work, effort, and time to actually go on to the field to study every aspect of your theory, to collect information, to make interviews, to risk having your opinions disproven.


>and the social function of art

He doesn’t use data to confirm his views; it's all pure opinion, thus highly suspicious.

[Anonymous No.13162528]

>>13162508
>healthism and fatphobia
please let this be bait

[Anonymous No.13162529]

>>13162519
nice spacing

[Anonymous No.13162532]

>>13162515
>I'm a strength and conditioning coach for athletes

I'm actually happy for you, not trolling.

[Anonymous No.13162534]

>>13162508
Kek

[Anonymous No.13162553]

>>13162534
>capital K Kek

[Anonymous No.13162578]

>>13162519
Which aspects of his view aren't founded on data? He's concrete in essays like "On the Fetish-Character in Music" how determinate social functions in music maintain hegemonic structures

[Anonymous No.13162600]

>>13162420
was it , dare I say, even cringier than the homocommies?

[Anonymous No.13163524]

>>13162139
When did the guy from The Hills Have Eyes talk about those? Also, when did he get glasses and fat?

[Anonymous No.13164903]

one last bump in case anyone out there has something to say

[Anonymous No.13164960]

>>13162139
He is absolutely right. Reading Adorno should feel like putting on the glasses from They Live, at least where the culture industry is concerned. Honestly it's a bit terrifying.

He is, to some extent, wrong about jazz though, probably based primarily on racist attitudes towards black people, general dislike of Americans and American culture, and having a limited understanding of jazz's philosophy. Glaring part of his views on aesthetics that has not aged very well.

[Anonymous No.13164967]

>>13162270
Wow all those words that mean absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.13165274]

>>13162270
i don't know if this is a clever psy-op to try to get alt right people to read adorno or what

[Anonymous No.13165284]

>>13162420
>because people of color and trans and queer folks have life or death issues to worry about.
try 'trans' and 'queer' people are pathological narcissists who can't get out of their own self-imposed neurotic webs of bullshit, and poc are too retarded to ever consider the problem in the first place

[Anonymous No.13165595]

>>13162420
>bahhh the spectacle doesnt include me
great bait btw
also you didnt understand the book amd youre doing the same thing as Marx
mixing future and past

[Anonymous No.13165666]

>>13164960
>He is, to some extent, wrong about jazz though, probably based primarily on racist attitudes towards black people

When he wrote that jazz was a white thing and all the major personalities were white. Adorno was a kike, which is why he held that anti-white attitude. And his whole purpose was to shift attention away from his fellow jews creating much of the low culture and direct animus toward "capitalism," which is what most plebs still believe, so mission accomplished.

To understand Adorno, one must understand the JQ first.