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Post modernists are often marxists or were very much influenced by him to say the least.
What did Peterson get wrong again ?

>> No.13132125

Nothing, just more gaslighting from the left

>> No.13132142

>>13131998
Postmodernism is a meme.
So is Peterson.

>> No.13132147

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1LhcEh8Ms

>> No.13132200

bait

>> No.13132229
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>>13131998
Is he wrong?

>> No.13132232

>>13132229
No

>> No.13132233

>>13131998
taking the Koch Brothers money and peddling their claptrap

>> No.13132238

>postmodernism has nothing to do with marxism which is unrelated to identity politics!
Today in bad faith readings

>> No.13132247

>>13131998
But post-modernists were funded by CIA capitalists?

>> No.13132292

Can you tell me how postmodernist authors like Gene Wolfe were influenced by Marx?

>> No.13132747

>>13131998
SHILL HARDER!

>> No.13132755

>>13132233
More like Soros money. He worked for three years with a Soros-affiliated NGO, helping them draft two UN reports promoting mass immigration.

>> No.13132761

>>13132247
What hasn't the CIA funded at one point or another? Back in the day they funded and promoted Jackson Pollock.

>> No.13132774

>>13132755
there is plenty of evidence of him shilling Koch proxy foundations on twitter

>> No.13132777

>>13132292
>lol i named one.
Who is deleuze?
i can do it too.

>> No.13132779

>>13132292
Wolfe was a modernist not a post modernist

>> No.13132789

>>13131998
>Post modernists are often marxists
kek
>or were very much influenced by him
Aristotle was influenced by Plato, in what possible sense does that make him a Platonist?

>> No.13132790

>>13132774
He's a whore who'll take anyone's money.

>> No.13132793

>>13132777
keep in mind i like deleuze. Just not a marxist

>> No.13132795

>>13132777
Deleuze isn't much of a postmodernist, but he certainly isn't a Marxist. He rejects the idea of dialectics outright...

>> No.13132809

>>13132789
Not if he goes against everything he said and builds a diametrically opposed philosophical system.

>> No.13132811

>>13132779
Define modernist and postmodernist. I'm tired of talking nonsense with people.

>> No.13132815

>>13132789
in the sense that they carry his traditions with them. Especially when politics are involved. The thing is what peterson did is not an argument by itself. Peterson failed in criticizing muh postmodernism and muh marxism, when he just pointed it out and said "look postmodernism bad", which is just amove for the masses, now i'm not saying they are bad but of course people who discuss these things would just call him a shallow idiot.

>> No.13132822

>>13132815
Peterson was right about postmodernism and Marxism.

>> No.13132829

>>13132811
>define, define define ...
Easy there Socrates.
Look it up.
I ain't here to school you

>> No.13132834

>>13132795
he was writing a book called the greatness of marx. Also he rejects because it because he needed a flat ontology to justify his materialism, he was a philosopher who took much from marx

>> No.13132835

>>13132829
Okay so you don't know what the hell you're talking about, yet insist on it. Fuck you.

>> No.13132838

>>13132811
>define post modern
Well that's precisely what you can't do as a post modern

>> No.13132844

>>13132838
Then it's a meaningless word.

>> No.13132845

>>13132835
you cannot define it, you need defer to something else, stop baiting

>> No.13132853

>>13132845
If they can't be defined they don't have any meaning. How can you make distinction between things that don't mean anything? It's nonsense.

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>>13132835
Literally took me 10 seconds you mongoloid.
What's so hard uh ?
Yoh into bein spoon fed ?
Back to the sandbox then you silly cunt

>> No.13132866

>>13132844
No it refers to a multitude of things, which do indeed share a historical context, however it doesn't however always refer to a single philosophical position.

>> No.13132870

>>13132853
define a bed

>> No.13132874

define deez nuuuuuuts

>> No.13132884

>>13132856
>>13132866
I can find things like Wikipedia which claim Gene writes as a postmodernist, that doesn't tell us what the hell modernist and postmodernist is or what you mean by them when you make the distinction by saying Gene is a modernist but not a postmodernist. He could be both. You don't know because you're shit.

>>13132870
It's a thing to sleep on. What are you asking for?

>> No.13132894

>>13131998
>What did Peterson get wrong again ?

So called cultural marxism isn't marxism. Orthodox marxists view the contemporary left's over-focus on race, gender, sexuality and related issues as a reactionary diversion from the true causes of oppression built into the class structure.

Upper middle class liberals deflect from their own economically advantaged position and complicity in capitalism's abuse of workers by patronizing the poor dispossessed minorities they claim to speak for. Except these poor people don't care at all about the race/gender/whatever issues they prattle on about, they care about getting out of poverty. And the left with its policies is unable to do anything about this without rattling the system too much for their comfort.

>> No.13132896

>>13132874
based, what i was trying to point out was that you always need other words and external shi create a definition in a sense, words are dependent on relations and don't hold specific meaning outside that context, definitions are dependent on that it's a continous construction of meaning.

>> No.13132903

>>13132884
but i can sleep on the ground. Also are you telling me that the meaning of the word bed is found on a justification through other word, and that all those words need same process to acquire meaning holy fuck!!

>> No.13132906

>>13132903
sorry for the typos and the bad writing i need to study so im on a hurry just can't resist this shit

>> No.13132909

>>13132884
modernist = Faulkner
postmodernist = Pynchon
postpostmodernist = Rupi Kaur

>> No.13132910

>>13132909
Rupi kaur is just gaymodernism

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>>13132884
Yeah where are the proofs ?
>bruh, just trust me

>> No.13132919

>>13132903
Then the ground is your bed. What the fuck are you even talking about? You write like ass so I don't know what point you're trying to make. When I asked the other guy to define the word postmodernism I'm asking what that word means to him. When you asked me what bed means I told you what it means to me which is all I expect from other people. If you want a more precise definition then you need to not ignore my question and explain why you're asking because I'm not going to play these stupid games.

>> No.13132925

>>13132918
What the hell are you talking about proofs for? You can't even explain what the words you're using mean to you so I guess I was wrong to expect better than what you've given me.

>> No.13132930

Watch the Cuck Philosophy video. It's extremely simple why he has no clue what he's taking about.

>> No.13132932

>>13132147
You don't need to understand postmodernism to draw the connection its vocal practitioners have with Marx(ism).

>> No.13132956

Modernist/Existentialist: "There is not truth, we are all alone, forced to create our own meaning, and that is a tragic fate we must endure as stoically as we can."

Postmodernist: "There is no truth, we are all alone, forced to create our own meaning...WHEEEE! Mom and Dad are away! Let's fucking party!"

>> No.13132972

Postmodernism is inherently conservative and draws from the criticism of liberal universalism by Counter-Enlightenment philosophers like Joseph de Maistre and Johann Georg Hamann, even if only through Carl Schmitt and Martin Heidegger.

>> No.13132978

>>13132925
>you ask for definitions
>give you definition
>give you proofs
>you now say I'm wrong
>ask you why
>"trust me I read it on wikipedia

?
You are the one who asked for a definition and I am the ignorant one ?
Just shut up you twat

>> No.13133003

>>13132809
postmodernism is diametrically opposed to marxism you smooth brain

>> No.13133007

>>13132932
>I don't have to understand what I'm talking about to polemicize it and claim it's destroying society
Fuck off.
The "cultural Marxists" explicitly railed against the type of degenerated hedonist nonsense that is modern culture.
You fucking retards fell for the con. The people who run the west aren't interested in calling for a communist revolution to kill themselves as an elaborate suicide attempt, they pay lip service to liberal causes because they found out it declaws actual leftist economic reform with stupid woke identity politics and they can also expand all their markets by creating a perfectly homogeneous mulatto managerial class at the same time.
Meanwhile, since you're too fucking dense to see identity politics as the smokescreen it is, you vote in neocons in alternating party colors and never ask what they actually fucking do every four years beyond liking or disliking tranny bathroom privileges.

>> No.13133012

>>13132978
That's an interesting narrative you've built in your head. I asked for a definition of modernism and postmodernism and all you've given me is a picture which says Gene is a modernist. I can't even be rightly annoyed with you because I'm sure you actually do think that's a definition. You're too much of an idiot to angry with so I pity you.

>> No.13133017

>>13132834
Aristotle took a lot from Plato, he's not a platonist because he rejected his system, just like Deleuze did Marx. Deleuze considered himslef closer to a Spinozan

>> No.13133024

>>13132903
>>13132906
have school

>> No.13133036

>>13133003
Nietzsche Marx and Freud inspired the post structuralist and postmodernist reflection

>> No.13133044
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>>13131998
>"postmodernism was invented to hide the objective evil of marxism in plain sight to destroy western civilization"
>well, he just meant marx was influential!
excusez-moi

>> No.13133051

>>13133044
Both of those statements are correct.

>> No.13133052

>>13133036
See you can make nice generalizations like this, but when you actually try and read and engage with the material you realize it's a retarded way to approach it. Kant was directly influenced and responding to Hume, he wasn't a Humean. This isn't how philosophy works.
>Deleuze writes a book called Anti-Oedipus explicitly rejecting Freud's Oedipal system
>b-but he must be a Freudian because Freud influenced post-structural thought

>> No.13133067

>>13133012
If you don't know it look for it pissant.
You said Gene Wolfe was a post modernist. I proved you wrong .
You said you read the opposite on Wikipedia but there's nothing there.
If you can only ask for definitions and be a little prig.
You don't know what pomo is in the first place and you call some author that.

>> No.13133087

>>13131998
>Marxists: believe in Marxist metanarratives
>Postmodernists: reject metanarratives altogether
Why is this so hard for you people to understand? Marxists have always been some of the most outspoken critics of postmodernism.

>> No.13133098

>>13133052
OP said "or were influenced by"
That's true no matter how you look at it.

Guattari ?
Debord ?
Lyotard?
Althusser ?

Btw everyone criticized Freud in some way

>> No.13133101

>>13133087
Because they don't take the time to engage in any of it on even the most superficial level and dismiss it outright as nonsense because of memes

>> No.13133112
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Nietzsche and Jung, for starters.

>> No.13133147

>>13133098
>Post modernists are often marxists
>No their not
>o-or at least influenced by!
If Peterson's take was simply "there is an intellectual continuity between these two incompatible philosophic systems", no one would bat an eye. It's his conflation with Cultural Marxism and his insistence on a subversive French plot to backdoor Marxism into philosophy under a new guise. Here, I'll link you a few of JP's takes on the subject since you seem totally uneducated on the conversation taking place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih4avuHRUUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkmXwByGmjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9zBvvLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el6TVEMnS3E

>> No.13133165

>>13132932
Retard.

>> No.13133174

>>13133147
It might seam because I am.
I haven't read a philosophy book in my life, nor an article, I literally argue with people over the internet about shit I don't know about .
I don't care about any of this, just wanted to piss off some people .
I made the thread by the way.
Ciao

>> No.13133177

>>13133112
I don't really understand why Peterson likes Nietzsche aside from his "god is dead" line. Isn't Nietzsche a proto-post-modernist? Doesn't he say A LOT of things that Peterson is explicitly opposed to?