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13124724 No.13124724 [Reply] [Original]

If you disagree with him, you're a slave. Plain and simple.

>> No.13124727

>>13124724
who could disagree with that mustache?

>> No.13124728

I've never read him because he's too popular. You can't be that ubiquitous without being shit

>> No.13124731

>>13124728
this desu

>> No.13124734

>>13124728
>You can't be that ubiquitous without being shit

That's a pretty Nietzschean view.

>> No.13124741

To follow any prophet instead of creating your own values is the mark of a lower kind. Nietzsche regularly invites the reader to challenge and outsmart him. Remember Zarathustra's Shadow? Did you learn nothing? You are the slave OP, taking another man's values like a pack mule and trying in your ressentiment to bring down the others who fly free. Pitiful.

>> No.13124745

>he thought islam was good
he was retarded in that regard

>> No.13124752

>>13124741
>Remember Zarathustra's Shadow? Did you learn nothing?
Seems to me you are also referring back to Nietzsche to make your point. This would make you a slave as well, by your own reasoning.

One needs to agree with Nietzsche's basic Existentialist thesis in order to not be a slave. I did not suggest you must endorse his normative or positive claims in full.

>> No.13124760

>>13124745
Everyone in the 19th and early 20th century did. Islam became bad after communism collapsed and America needed a new boogeyman.

Islam will always be the redpilled religion

>> No.13124763
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>>13124760
the only reason people liked it is because it was mysterious and exotic
now it's buddhism

>> No.13124779

If you disagree with him, you're a kafir. Plain and simple.

>Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (I do not say by what sort of feet) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life! The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very "senile." What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won . The German noble, always the "Swiss guard" of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church but well paid . Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious. Christianity, alcohol the two great means of corruption. Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew.

>> No.13124781

>>13124763
You are wrong, both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche read the Qur'an. The former was revolted, the latter was delighted.

>> No.13124787

>>13124781
if nietzsche loved islam so much, why didn't he move to a muslim country?

>> No.13124789

Earnestly Ersatz: Irony and Sardonic Paryonym In The Writings Of Friedrich Nietzsche

>> No.13124800

>>13124781

Nietzsche was a slut for Dionysian cock and I refuse to believe, after having read The Birth of Tragedy, that he would think very highly of a religion requiring abstinence from alcohol.

>> No.13124806

>>13124779
which book is this from?

>> No.13125269

>>13124787
He actually considered it

>>13124800
Nietzsche didn't drink and always speaks negatively of alcohol. He loved the Dionysian as an artistic antithesis to the Appolonian, not as in drunkenness.

>> No.13125308

>>13124724
IT'S A ME, LUIGI!

>"God is dead."
And God said: Nietzsche is dead. And it was very good.

>> No.13126073

>>13124724
He should have been influenced by Kierkegaard instead of Sch*penhauer, and not have embraced a historicism that reeks so badly of H*gel no matter how much he distanced himself from him.

>> No.13126113

>>13125269
so what did he liked about islam?
Maybe that there in some islamic country he could finally get some pussy ?

>> No.13126138

>>13126113
He was coping.
I love Nietzsche, but many things he thought, except his insights on the will to power are copes

>> No.13126143

>>13124728
Fucking hipsters...

>> No.13126170

>>13126113
He thought the Moors were extravagant sensualists just because some Europeans painted them that way. He had no clue.

>> No.13126187

>>13126170
Just like some western incels that think that by going to any third world country there will be women willing to take their virginity as soon they get out of the plane.

The more I think about it Nietzche was the lastman.

>> No.13126200

>>13124781
You're exaggerating and need to fuck off. We only have mere paragraphs of Nietzsche praising the warrior culture aspect of the religion.

>> No.13126297

>>13126200
so.. it just was another of his homo-erotic fantasies.

>> No.13126306

>>13126297
He passed judgment on more or less everything he ever encountered. Islam was never anything that special to him.

>> No.13126417

>>13124724
That horse deserved its suffering on the hands of the greater will.

>> No.13126429

>>13124741
If you disagree with him, you are a slave because you follow someone else's ideology, or, if you agree with him, you are a slave for following his ideology and making your own path.

>> No.13126565

>>13126417
The horse felt no resentment towards the owner, so no, it didn't.

>> No.13126568 [DELETED] 

>>13126113
Islam subscribes to extreme master morality, despite also being so square it makes Mormonism look like a rave

>>13124806
The Antichrist

>>13126170
Muslims are extravagent sensualists but in a way very different from westerners. Read T.E. Lawrence on them some time.

>>>13126113
Islam subscribes to extreme master morality, despite also being so square it makes Mormonism look like a rave

>>13124806
The Antichrist

>>13126170
Muslims are extravagent sensualists but in a way very different from westerners. Read T.E. Lawrence on them some time.

>But at last Dahoum drew me: ‘Come and smell the very sweetest scent of all’, and we went into the main lodging, to the gaping window sockets of its eastern face, and there drank with open mouths of the effortless, empty, eddyless wind of the desert, throbbing past. That slow breath had been born somewhere beyond the distant Euphrates and had dragged its way across many days and nights of dead grass, to its first obstacle, the man-made walls of our broken palace. About them it seemed to fret and linger, murmuring in baby-speech. ‘This,’ they told me, ‘is the best: it has no taste.’ My Arabs were turning their backs on perfumes and luxuries to choose the things in which mankind had had no share or part.

>The Beduin of the desert, born and grown up in it, had embraced with all his soul this nakedness too harsh for volunteers, for the reason, felt but inarticulate, that there he found himself indubitably free. He lost material ties, comforts, all superfluities and other complications to achieve a personal liberty which haunted starvation and death. He saw no virtue in poverty herself: he enjoyed the little vices and luxuries — coffee, fresh water, women — which he could still preserve. In his life he had air and winds, sun and light, open spaces and a great emptiness. There was no human effort, no fecundity in Nature: just the heaven above and the unspotted earth beneath. There unconsciously he came near God. God was to him not anthropomorphic, not tangible, not moral nor ethical, not concerned with the world or with him, not natural: but the being αχρωματος, ασχηματιστος, αναφης thus qualified not by divestiture but by investiture, a comprehending Being, the egg of all activity, with nature and matter just a glass reflecting Him.

>> No.13126573

>>13126113
Islam subscribes to extreme master morality, despite also being so square it makes Mormonism look like a rave

>>13124806
The Antichrist

>>13126170
Muslims are extravagent sensualists but in a way very different from westerners. Read T.E. Lawrence on them some time.

>But at last Dahoum drew me: ‘Come and smell the very sweetest scent of all’, and we went into the main lodging, to the gaping window sockets of its eastern face, and there drank with open mouths of the effortless, empty, eddyless wind of the desert, throbbing past. That slow breath had been born somewhere beyond the distant Euphrates and had dragged its way across many days and nights of dead grass, to its first obstacle, the man-made walls of our broken palace. About them it seemed to fret and linger, murmuring in baby-speech. ‘This,’ they told me, ‘is the best: it has no taste.’ My Arabs were turning their backs on perfumes and luxuries to choose the things in which mankind had had no share or part.

>The Beduin of the desert, born and grown up in it, had embraced with all his soul this nakedness too harsh for volunteers, for the reason, felt but inarticulate, that there he found himself indubitably free. He lost material ties, comforts, all superfluities and other complications to achieve a personal liberty which haunted starvation and death. He saw no virtue in poverty herself: he enjoyed the little vices and luxuries — coffee, fresh water, women — which he could still preserve. In his life he had air and winds, sun and light, open spaces and a great emptiness. There was no human effort, no fecundity in Nature: just the heaven above and the unspotted earth beneath. There unconsciously he came near God. God was to him not anthropomorphic, not tangible, not moral nor ethical, not concerned with the world or with him, not natural: but the being αχρωματος, ασχηματιστος, αναφης thus qualified not by divestiture but by investiture, a comprehending Being, the egg of all activity, with nature and matter just a glass reflecting Him.

>> No.13126666

>agreeing or disagreeing with philosophers rather than seeing them as quixotic oddities which only exist to ward off your intellectual boredoms
Yikes, letting other men dictate principles of your existence...sounds like cuckoldry to me

>> No.13126687

>posting in this thread
A slave to your propensity for conflict

>> No.13126690

>>13124781
making historic claims like this makes me think that philosophy is for pseuds

>> No.13126766

>>13124728
Your contrarian anti-popular tastes are actually pretty popular in another subgroup and by choosing what you read by how elusive it is to the average reader you are reading ubiquitous books in your own contrarian sphere.

>> No.13126903

>>13126073
This. If not anything else, Nietzsche would have benefited greatly from Kierkegaard's descriptions and explanations of Daemonic.

>> No.13127025

>>13124752
Look on one of the philosophical encyclopedia's if you can't read Nietzsche, but this is not the definition of slave morality. Slave morality is the product of resentment

>> No.13127029

>>13124724
Ah, a dogmatic nietzschean. How sweet.

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>>13124724
If you agree with him, you're a Übermensch. Plain and simple.

>> No.13127837

>>13127025
Only someone filled with ressentiment would reject Nietzsche.

>> No.13127874 [DELETED] 

>>13124728
an actual based take
>>13126766
pseud take. there is no such thing as "contrarianism"

>> No.13127921

>>13124724
>projection: the philosopher

>> No.13129077

>>13124724
I used to be a commited Nietzschean very much opposed to Christianity and even flirted with Satanism but I had a psychotic episode and became a Christian. There's always the temptation to go back to old beliefs but I'm afraid if I do I will lose my divine protection and again be assailed by demons and go crazy. My family also expects me to go to church with them and stuff.

>> No.13129162

To be a slave is to be deprived of freedom. If you're not free to disagree with him you're his slave.

>> No.13129205

>>13124724
can one of you guys direct me to that thing N. said about how it is impossible to know the justice of actions by its effects because you could easily see the primary effects of it but that effect also has effects &etc and it is impossible beyond a certain point? I can't quite place the passage.

>> No.13129346

>>13124724
A slave to what?

>> No.13129366

>>13124724
A slave, huh? I suppose I have no choice.

>> No.13129368

>>13129346
jesus

>> No.13129385 [DELETED] 

>>13127874
>« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE
Why did you steal my soul?

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>>13129205
It's not Zarathustra, not Anti Christ and probably not Birth of Tragedy, that leaves only a few more works, if you can't pin it down, just enter the bits you remember clearly into Google search and add Nietzsche, it should give you the text passages.
>>13129077
>mentally ill people become Christian
Why does this not surprise me?

>> No.13131474

>>13124724
Is there a philosophy more useless than nietzsche?
It is entirely pseudo-descriptive and there is never an ounce of possibility for discriminating between the 'slave' and the 'master'. It's all conjectured projection from a very opiniated man.

>> No.13131876

>>13124724
Did he fug his sister?

>> No.13133797

>>13124724
what should I start with?

>> No.13134048

>>13133797
Descartes.

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>>13124724
Why are shietzsche fags so pathetic?

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>>13124724
Reminder that Nietzsche plagiarized Stirner.

>> No.13134343

>>13124724
Nietzsche wouldn't feel so tough if a 6'5 Aryan warrior told him that jews were bad

>> No.13134360

Nietzsche was a bastard anti-Semite.
Sage and cringe.

>> No.13134368

>>13127837
>Implying there is one Nietzsche
>Implying his philosophy isn't a performative deliberation of multiple voices that constantly offer contradictions and juxtapositions
>Implying his philosophy is to be accepted or rejected rather than reformulated and interpreted
Must suck being a slave tier intellect.

>> No.13134373

>>13126573
Where is the T.E. Lawrence quote from?