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13113096 No.13113096 [Reply] [Original]

why do mods delete threads about zeno's paradox? are people afraid of what it says re: the way they approach the world/their most basic metaphysic? it's clearly literature

>> No.13113127

>>13113096
it got clapped by Aristotle. I find it ironic how Aristotle destroyed these "paradoxes" but valued the argumentation Zeno brought to monism vs pluralism sadly retards only care about his paradoxes which were nothing but points to his argument

>> No.13113133

>>13113096
Because it is a retarded concept and you know it

>> No.13113140

>>13113127
>>13113133
sounds like you two are in way over your head!

>> No.13113179

>>13113140
Dude, convergence isn't a difficult idea

>> No.13113183

>>13113127
>Arthititole broo

>>13113133
>It’s freaking dumb geez

U guys are really smart

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13113186

>>13113179
Dude!

>> No.13113188

>>13113186
Learn math brainlet

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>>13113140
>>13113183

>> No.13113247

>>13113188
Masters in maths
What r your credentials bitch

>> No.13113259

>>13113096
MODS ARE HIDING THE TRUTH THAT /SCI/ WILL BE TOO RETARDED TO KNOW ABOUT IT CANNOT SOLVED BY CURRENT STANDARD DEFINITION OF LIMIT AND BASICALLY REEEEEE ABOUT IT

>> No.13113288

>>13113127
If there was an incredible Zeno fanboi in Aristotle's time, that boy will joked about aristotle's refutation because it would be some vicious Ignoratio elenchi to him.
But, well, nobody did because nobody genuinely considered motion is impossible. His conception of continuum of spacetime was just good enough to take out the paradox and blind other greeks.

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13113294

>Fermat's Last Theorem has been solved

>> No.13113320
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13113320

>time has something to do with entropy

>> No.13113326

>>13113294
... that has been solved. What is the problem?

>> No.13113334

>>13113326
The solution isn't satisfying

>> No.13113357

>>13113334
IDK man. The proof itself, proving Taniyama–Shimura conjecture will be one of the first founding stone of Langlands program. Being elementary is quite far from giving achievement in mathematical theories. Look at PNT by erdos. I would say it is tedious

>> No.13113688

>>13113096

>Suppose Homer wishes to walk to the end of a path. Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. Before traveling a quarter, he must travel one-eighth; before an eighth, one-sixteenth; and so on.

I think Zeno's argument is quite self-aware and addresses many things. A rebuke of bottom-up Materialism, a Soteriological metaphor for the triviality of detail, a condemnation of Quantity as an abomination, an affirmation of "Eternalism" and a rebuke of Mathematical Metaphysics wherein Number explodes from an eternal Now but cannot commune with Number from another Now. The latter being very important to Absolute Monism.

>> No.13113727

>>13113688
Absosolutely Capital, Fellow Traveller

>> No.13113791

>>13113688
yeah, i dont understand people arguing 'against' zeno as if he's saying "there's no movement" in a naive or traditionally understood way

>> No.13113912

>>13113688
>>13113791
How the fuck you found about this? We lost everything about the book written by Zeno and only remaining one is just concern in Plurality and 4 paradoxes, that we know about. Everything we know about is just that.
Nobody who major in Hermeneutics would say it is even partially right, at some absurd conclusions you said such as Zeno's paradox reveals "Soteriological metaphor", "affirmation of Eternalism" or some shit.
... and actually you didn't consider studies of Zeno that much. Current influential(tho not that major) consensus on Zeno is that Zeno is not even the Monist, backed by lack of last part of refutation in paradoxes. By this researchers suggested Zeno believe in not a thing, not even Parmenides "one". We can call he is world's first "nihilist".

>> No.13114003

>>13113096
Because, provided you maintain constant speed, every next distance goes by twice as fast until you reach the threshold where the next distance goes by infintely fast.
To illustrate a similar problem: divide 1 by 3, now you have 0.333..., now multiply that by 3 and you get 0.999... which is identical to 10.

>> No.13114007

>>13113334
Based

>> No.13114011
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13114011

>>13114003
>time

>> No.13114024
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13114024

>>13114011
>Actually time isn't real guys, trust me.
Read nigga, read.

>> No.13114044

>>13114003
>.999 which is identical to...
NOPE

>> No.13114065

>>13114044
How is it not?

>> No.13114067

>>13114065
You're missing an infinitesimal

>> No.13114073

>>13113096
Are there mods on /lit/?
I didn't notice any moderation between this thread and the other 75 I currently have hidden.

>> No.13114085

>>13114067
No? You have some proof 0.999...=/=1?

>> No.13114093

>>13114085
0.999.... is equal to 1 - an infinitesemal

>> No.13114094

>>13114067
Infinitesimals don't exist, brainlet

>> No.13114099

>>13114085
>>13114003
convention=/=reality

>> No.13114115

>>13114099
Yes it does.

>> No.13114123

>>13114115
not in the conventional sense

>> No.13114130

>>13114123
How?

>> No.13114145

>>13114130
the conventional meaning of 'convention' is not synonymous to with 'reality'

>> No.13114354

>>13114003
Yes. 0.999... is identical to 10.

>> No.13114375

Working hypotheses: Everything I don't understand is literally unknowable.

>> No.13114388

>>13113259
It has nothing to do with the definition of limit. Limits were constructed to deal with infinitely small things. That doesn't change the fact that this infinitely small things are still not zeroes.

Geez, sub 130 IQ people shouldn't be banned from this board.

>> No.13114397

>>13114388
I meant should.

>> No.13114474

>>13114354
you cant be serious

>> No.13114497

>>13113096
>want to go from initial position O to final position A
>according to zeno brainlet, you first have to go half of that, then half of half, etc...
>now consider going from postion O to position 2A
>since you have to go half that distance first, you land on A, which is actually where you wanted to go in the first place.

done, retarded argument.

/allzenotheads

>> No.13114503

>>13114497
Please, refrain from posting further and (possibly) hang thee self

>> No.13114507

>>13113288
the point is that there are no true things there to be moved or move

>> No.13114514

>>13114507
"this rock is moving"
There is no real "rock" there, therefore it (that isn't) can't be moving, ergo no movement.

>> No.13114553

>>13114503
>hang thee self
dont want to hang. whats the best option?

>> No.13114664

>>13114388
Yes, they are.

>> No.13114681

>>13114044
>>13114067
GODDAMN FUCKING TEENAGE BABY BRAIN RETARD

>> No.13114688

>>13114354
>0.999... is identical to 10
>1 is identical to 10
hmm

>> No.13114737

>people thinking time has nothing to do with it
You're only at a position if the time it takes you to reach that position is zero. Space in this argument is only really divisible so much as we can divide matter to measure it by, and we have not fully divided matter and maybe we cannot. The speed of light and gravity at the destination are much more useful concepts than distance alone for the discussion.

>> No.13114752

ok someone actually explain the walking one to me cause i don’t get it

>> No.13114778

>>13114752
they’re all the same paradox. if you get one you get the rest

>> No.13114791

>>13114778
none of them are resolvable

>> No.13114792

>>13114778
well in that case i don’t get any
help

>> No.13114834

>>13114792
Clap your hands. During the clap, the distance between them shrank by half, and then half again, and then half again an infinite number of times, such that the distance between them approached zero but could never reach it, given that nothing but zero itself divided by another number is zero - but eventually they met anyhow, obviously, so the distance must have been zero, meaning you somehow reached zero by dividing infinitely.

>> No.13114838

>>13113096
post a smaller pic next time fag shit crashed my browser

>> No.13114841

>>13114791
>What are planck units?
Fucking retards in this thread

>> No.13114857

>>13113096
>>13113133
>>13113140
>>13113183
>>13113186
>t. brainlets with absolutely no knowledge in maths
Stay in your lane, herd.

>> No.13114889

>>13114841
>>13113247
Threads like these are where /lit/ shows its true colours. I think it's a common phenomenon: if you're unknowledgeable in a subject area and listen to a rhetorician it's quite easy to believe him and take him seriously. But as soon as he starts talking about something you know about, in this instance mathematical concepts, you realize he is just a brainlet with no actual desire of truth, regurgitating some other rhetorician's ideas which have been disproven long time ago by people who are actually curious. /lit is that rhetorician - no substance behind the words they say, just a herd of little parrots spitting their little grains to the wall. Truly pathetic, I laugh at people like those in the threads every day. Most hilarious of all - they think anything that's going on in their small little heads matters. Truly an amazing herd of brainlets.

>> No.13114890
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>>13114857
Consider a lamp with a toggle switch. Flicking the switch once turns the lamp on. Another flick will turn the lamp off. Now suppose that there is a being who is able to perform the following task: starting a timer, he turns the lamp on. At the end of one minute, he turns it off. At the end of another half minute, he turns it on again. At the end of another quarter of a minute, he turns it off. At the next eighth of a minute, he turns it on again, and he continues thus, flicking the switch each time after waiting exactly one-half the time he waited before flicking it previously.[1] The sum of this infinite series of time intervals is exactly two minutes.

The following question is then considered: Is the lamp on or off at two minutes?

>> No.13114892

What is leading the target.

Retards

>> No.13114894

>>13114841
>planck unit
OHNONONONONONONONON

>> No.13114905

>>13114890
You are asking a question which supposedly could potentially be realized in real life, or deduced using the laws of physics and our common observations in the real world, but it's not! The question is meaningless since what you are describing is both practically and theoretically impossible, given our current understanding. We only have knowledge of time in large chunks and can reason about time when considering large intervals. Your question is retarded and so are you.

>> No.13114908

>>13114894
>Material question answerable with a material constant
kys

>> No.13114913

>>13114905
how can someone who outright doesnt understand something be so confident in responding to it? what is wrong with you people

>> No.13114917

>>13114894
Yes planck unit and quantum physics resolve the problem. It's exactly the same as hegel who said movement is being in the now and here and not being in the now and here simultaneously.

>> No.13114920

>>13114908
>epistemological hurdle
>meaning anything wrt this thread

>> No.13114927

>>13114908
>>13114917
Holy fuck you are stupid

>> No.13114928

>>13114913
I understand your question, retard, and it is precisely BECAUSE I understand you question, I also understand that it is meaningless.

>> No.13114940

>>13114927
OK then prove me wrong

>> No.13114945

>>13114927
Thanks

>> No.13115008
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13115008

>>13114945
>>13114940
>>13114928
>>13114927
>>13114920
>>13114917
>>13114913
>>13114908
>>13114905
>>13114894
>>13114890
>>13114889
READ KANT YOU STUPID APES

>> No.13115042

>>13113096
It actually does beg the question of whether time-like axes are discrete or continuous, something I don't think physicists have really answered yet.

>> No.13115043
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13115043

>>13115008
Here is my advice: make a noose and find a tree

>> No.13115044

>>13115042
axises*

>> No.13115048

>>13115042
pro-tip: they never will

>> No.13115225
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13115225

>>13114099
>reality
>math

>> No.13115301

>>13115225
youre agreeing with me, r-right?

>> No.13115430

>>13114497
based

>> No.13115444

>>13115044
Axes*

>> No.13115452

>>13114688
truly some groundbreaking theories in this thread

>> No.13115455
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13115455

One can imagine this from the point of its opposite, the indivisible now. If we have an essence then each moment of our lives is an unfolding of that essence. The moment of realisation is the perfection of our being, its eruption from the surface into a wellspring - where our being cannot be denied, and in the days following we live as if tracing our steps through a memory already laid out before us. As if spectres freed of all judgement, we become the master of our own return to the body. All that was insignificant before this moment now finds meaning, and all that comes after reveals itself in peace. Time itself bends to the completion of this essence. Becoming and Being are One. We are revealed to ourselves in finality. 'It has all led up to this moment.' Fate is bald when turned away from us, and then her beautiful head of hair twirls towards our favour.

As an event, nothing speaks to this more than the collapse of the World Trade Center, that which compelled even the most common man to consider the chasm of truth. It was not the most violent event of modern times, far from it - next to the pure material destruction of the World Wars one might even say it was insignificant. What captivated the Western World was its quality of revelation, and this is clarified in the ridiculous explanations of the destruction as a work of art - as if we were somehow torn from time and space and this 'work of art' would somehow return us to criticism, an investigation into the crime of alienation an impending certainty.

Instantiation is what makes truth impossible, the opposite of art and craft in that the form is hidden through its very exposure. The truth is extricated into a worldly monument, like an injection mould: certain, lifeless, hollow, yet mobilised. Such means ensure that even the most brutal critics are loyal to the ends. And here we see natural law repurposed as the axles and hinges of a vast machine - positive law is merely the initiation rite, the libation of melted plastic, of rose-coloured death, into the mould. Hephaestus and his creations confined within the perfect scales of realism.

>> No.13115456

>>13115042
I think they would argue that they are discrete to the level of the planck constant, which for whatever reason is anathema on this board

>> No.13115459

>>13115455
Opposite to the total art critic - who is so determined by time that he cannot even consider betraying his instrumentalising profession for a moment - we are entirely confined within the indivisible now, forever calculating its trajectory and the figure which stands before it; between clocktowers and entire mausoleums of spreadsheets. We are not at all alienated - the first men and women enslaved to farms certainly were, but not us. If anything we are too intimate with our condition, the immediacy of our survival is seen in the image of the farthest reaches of nature reformed within the rote clicks of a vast machine. Where Talos receives every sacrifice his society finds itself forever setting upon new shores. And so the cold estimations of the first responders only verify an ever-increasing distance on the part of theorists and artists, completely divided from the reality experienced by the common man, until reckoning becomes impossible. Instrument and rationalisation have turned us into Pseudo-Achilles dragging the rotting shell of a tortoise behind us, digging itself into the clay. There is no need of art when the Colossus is mobilised.

And then it all stopped. We finally saw, in its ruins, the river of constant change for what it was: a trajectory of senseless sameness, a devouring of nature by the void. All along we were living Zeno's paradoxes while trying to formally deny them in endless theories and quantified problems. We became the arrow, still before the totality of occupied space. The future and the past melt away into the death of time, the completion of purpose, like the blood which will always cascade out as worlds of devastation and beauty collide. All succeeding events are determined by that single end of time which is also an eternity, as if still caught in the resounding silence of those endless clouds of dust. Talos rises from the smouldering chasm as we stare into its wound, covered in ashes, our eyes in a golden haze.

Mythic law only finalises its judgement at that moment we thought we had escaped its grasp. The atheist and the skeptic are sacrifices to the oracle of their constructed information, and it is only in opposing movement that the Column of Heaven becomes One.

>> No.13115471

>>13115456
Dude. The planck constant isn't some ontological thing.

>> No.13115481

>>13115471
Dude, I was explaining what I think physicists would answer

>> No.13115926

>>13115481
Dude

>> No.13115965

>>13114044
.999... not .999 you absolute inbred fuck.
Your parents should've smashed you against the pavement while they could still claim it was an accident cause there's no way your kind of absolute reality-warping retardation wouldn't show in some sense during early childhood.
Holy fuck I don't even know you and I hate your underage and/or underdeveloped ass already.

>> No.13115980

>>13114889
>13114841
>>>13113247
unironically based

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>>13115965
you're retarded!

>> No.13115996

>>13114099
>Mathematics is solely based on convention and I refuse to acknowledge your argument which serves to prove it isn't because it would expose me as a brainlet.
Holy fuck if Thanos would've selected for fuckers like you I'd actually support the purple Steven Pinker-tier retarded fuck.

>> No.13116009

>>13114003
>99... which is identical to 1
nope!! !!!

>> No.13116012

>>13114890
I read that as
>Is the lamp on or off after two minutes?
(as in after 2 minutes have already passed) initially, which is a much more interesting question.

>> No.13116013

>>13115995
Mate, get your underage ass back in school if you haven't learned about Infinitesimals at this point yet.
Jezus H. Fucking Christ both you and your teachers should be shot.

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>>13116013
you are outta yer depth pal!! pull the trigger of that shotgun in your mouth and try re-rolling the dice on your life!!

>> No.13116246

>>13113127
Yes but isn't that what everyone does, really?
Aren't we all a bunch of low IQ hypocrites?

>> No.13116290

>>13116246
i have a very high iq

>> No.13116323

>>13114834
i get that you dummy what’s the solution

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13116327

Zeno is a Monist. Also, get it while it's hot.

>> No.13116328

>>13116323
the solution is that the basic metaphysic that breaks time and space into infinitely small pieces is untenable

>> No.13116372

>>13116328
the implication being...

>> No.13116389

>>13116372
time is (ontologically) an indivisible unity of duration

>> No.13116459

>>13114890
you can't cut a plank time in half, next

>> No.13116466

>>13116328
>>13116372
okay so I looked up the definition of existence and it says the state of being. But then I look up being and it says existence. What is happening here?

>> No.13116473

>>13116459
how uneducated are you people?

>> No.13116481

>>13116473
explain yourself then, educate or else you are pointless

>> No.13116545

>>13116481
planck is epistemological, not ontological

>> No.13116618

>>13113259
(1/2)^n for n approaching infinity approaches 0

>> No.13116619

>>13116327
oc?

>> No.13116676

>>13116033
Yeah, unironically this. The people he's arguing with are either baiting or underage, no reason at all to give a fuck.

>> No.13117042

>>13116481
Planck unit is a convention used by physicists, it is not some physical limit that exists in nature. The question of whether the world is continuous or discrete remains open, both in physics and philosophy.

>> No.13117445

>>13116328
>>13114834
But Zeno doesn't deny that motion actually seems to happen, he just attributes to it an illusory nature much like Parmenides does to becoming in general. That's why it's called a paradox: if the conclusion was that you actually can't walk or that your hands cannot clap, it wouldn't be a paradox and thus easily refuted by just doing what it says you can't do.

>> No.13117523

the ""paradox"" obviously wouldn't work outside of retarded mindgames if you think about it for more than 5 seconds.

>> No.13117524

>>13116327
>>>13113096 (OP)
baseddddddddddddddddddddd

>> No.13117547

these threads are tied with "what if god made a rock he couldn't lift" threads as being consistently the worst on this board

>> No.13117979

Jesus christ /lit/, never talk about math ever again. This is a /tv/ tier thread.

>> No.13118018

>>13117523
no shit retard.

>>13117979
This entire thread is completely embarrassing.

>> No.13118130

>>13116323
>>13116372
you little brat

>> No.13118299

>>13113096
1 is the sum of the infinite series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8, etc. "But that's just maths, it doesn't count!" as long as you're using mathematical values to model distances (which you are by using fractions) then a mathematical solution is totally valid. QED

>> No.13118601

>>13113096
Are you retarded, did you not see convergent series in high school?
By the second step achilles beats the turtle retard because the sum of 1 + 1/2 + 1/4.... = 2. This was troublesome for the greeks because they did not have the concept for zero or infinity. We cracked this 400 years ago.

>> No.13118672

>>13116619

yes

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>>13113096
>mfw when people think zenos paradoxes were math problems

All of u guys in here calling each other brainlets and retards, writing out mathematical equations. Not one of you know who Zeno was, or Parmenides or Empedocles. And you guys confidently posture and humiliate each other making a discussion on this absolutely impossible. Shame. Not one person started with the Greeks. All of you get an F

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13118738

>>13113179
>lists some vocabulary word with no context to gatekeep a mathematical concept
>just to win an argument
Typical STEM

>> No.13118754

>>13115996
>which serves to prove it isn't

There isn't an argument "which serves to prove it isn't", since it is wholly based on a series of conventions. We're presumably using the Real numbers in your argument, which is very much a convention, and we could instead be using an alternate number system in which 0.999... is defined and also does not equal 1, as there are no general proofs of this that apply to all number systems.

>> No.13118774

>>13113096
>One might—as Simplicius tells us Diogenes the Cynic did by silently turning three hundred and sixty degrees and walking away.

OP BTFO

>> No.13118800

>>13113096
Zenofags don't understand the relatively of motion. The situation doesn't even involve limits once you put yourself in the referential of one of the runners. Only needs an archimedian geometry, and you'd have to go full meme to deny the archimedian property in usual physical space.

>> No.13118852

>>13114890
On and off stages then correspond to the middle part of a 1/2 cantor set or pseudo cantor set, depending on whether you include or not the extremities at every dichitomy.
There are models fitting you problems with light on at two minutes and other models fitting your problem with light off at two minutes. Meaning the problem as you set it is underdetermined.

>> No.13118893

>>13116327
good shi

>> No.13119105

>>13114388
versus
>>13118601
OK. What is going on now? What is the definition of limit right now? Isn't zeno's pararox solvable by limit? Wiki says the development of calculus was "the most important step in the Standard Solution of Zeno's paradoxes", so what is going on?

>> No.13119170

>>13118852
I don't get you by two ways. Firstly, there is a concept called cantor set, but it is only on real number line, meaning it already is based on continuum on real number line.
Secondly, the existence of some models that acting out as lamp and giving out result just as same but different in last, doesn't necessarily mean problem is underdetermined. Ah... well it will be underdetermined in this particular thing but it would ended up creating another question and the major question, about zeno would still remained. For example, If someone argues with the possibility of the way of "ideal" lamp construction, a question still remained just as same.

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>>13113096
Protip: Zeno was (basically) right.
Also the arrow paradox and the stadium one are much more interesting than the one you posted.
Motion is a illusion,BUT only because time is a illusion
B theory of time motherfucking dabs on all of you. is the only correct answer, cause and effect are illusions.
>lol believing in cause and effect because you can not perceive everything at once.

>> No.13119590

>>13115301
no, retard

>> No.13119801

>>13119170
>Secondly, the existence of some models that acting out as lamp and giving out result just as same but different in last, doesn't necessarily mean problem is underdetermined. Ah... well it will be underdetermined in this part
This is exactly what underdetermined means. Of course you can argue that 'in reality' the problem will be exactly determined (not obvious at all and brings the memetic questions of perfect measurement and repeatability) but that means you need to introduce an additional (physical-empirical) hypothesis to obtain a univocal answer.
I was merely replying to your thought experiment above and not to Zeno.
As for the first part of your post, you can restrict yourself to the rational part of the relevant cantor set, and still have fitting models with two different outcome.

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>>13118716

How about this?

>>13113688

>> No.13119917

Doesn't most of the interpretations of Quantum Mechanics solve this?
Put in this perspective and what is Zeno's paradox is about is the impossibility of carrying out an infinite amount of tasks, call them "measurements" or just "matter becoming real".
QM tells us that matter is not real (doesn't have a defined state), until an "observation" is made.
So it's not that reality is continue or discrete, it's the amount of observations that are discrete and, I guess, limited by the speed of light or some shit like that.

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>>13119801
Sorry man, underdetermined must be some formal word in logic isn't it.
What I want to show is that that anon must had been thought the relation of zeno's paradox when he mentioned thomson's lamp. I mistakenly implied your opinion as all of clouds in the lamp paradox can be solved with further explained models, like Benacerraf. But not all paradoxes has fixed from it. The case can be stuck out as philosophically explained version of "that's not I meant".
There is also the thompson's lamp, but time has reversed so controversial part is the start.

>> No.13120216

Imagine being such an insufferable piece of shit faggot you care about bullshit like zeno's paradox after like middle school
>o00o0o0o0o0o0o0o U CANNOT NOT NUFFINZ
Jesus fucking christ just fucking die

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>>13120216
Seething