Go faster.

[Anonymous No.13109820]

[Anonymous No.13109830]

>>13109820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY8P--R9L4Y

[Anonymous No.13109850]

>>13109820
Have you even read Land? It's not about going faster, it's about being taken for a ride.

[Anonymous No.13109906]

>>13109820
What exactly does he mean by "Neo-China arrives from the future" anyway? Does he think China currently is an Accelerationist state?

[Anonymous No.13109907]

based sinophile-boomer Uncle Nick

it turned me into a Buddhist with Taoist Characteristics tho, i think i fucked up

[Anonymous No.13109940]

>>13109906
It's really the world that is in an accelerationist state. What he means is that China is being shaped by forces beyond human control. This could be thought of as accelerationism acting as a sentience in the future, shaping itself into what it will become. None of this should be taken literally however, as a lot of his writing is blended with occultism and fiction, but serves merely as an example

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>>13109820
>go faster
poseur alert
get faster at getting faster at going faster

[Anonymous No.13109955]

>>13109940
Ohh, I thought maybe it was his explanation for the seeming "paradox" of modern China being run at every level by the Communist Party, but practicing some of the most brutal and exploitative forms of sweatshop capitalism - the latter as an accelerationist praxis by the former, trying to heighten the contradictions of Capitalism to a breaking point. Or something.

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>>13109906
He has described Deng Xiaoping as the greatest accelerationist ever iirc
I think to arrive from the future implies inevitability mainly.

[Anonymous No.13109972]

>>13109967
>He has described Deng Xiaoping as the greatest accelerationist ever
Oh shit, where? All I can find is this:
https://oldnicksite.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/a-time-travelers-guide-to-shanghai-part-1/

[Anonymous No.13109977]

>>13109955
Like I said, his writing incorporates many surreal aspects, so it can be taken in different ways I suppose. Either way, China is definitely an example of a future world dominated by tyrannical accelerationism. Arguably, even the most elite of said society are under its control as well, even if they are better off than the average debt slave.

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>>13109906
>>13109967
Theoretically, how easy/hard would it be to bring China down to its knees?

[Anonymous No.13110027]

>>13110006
different anon, Trumps stance on tariffs had a noticeable effect, so it shouldn't be impossible.

[Anonymous No.13110039]

>>13110006
The only way to stop China is by stopping consumerism. China may have a less free market, but its society is much more consumerist due to the hand of government. Their system collapses when the rest of the consumerist world collapses. So to stop China, leave society and consume as little as possible.

[Anonymous No.13110049]

>>13110027
>different anon, Trumps stance on tariffs had a noticeable effect, so it shouldn't be impossible.
How about the EU?

[Anonymous No.13110050]

>>13110039
>>13110006
But Land's point is that no one can control accelerationism. Accelerationism uses you, not the other way around, so from Land's point of view any attempt to thwart China would be meaningless and doomed to fail. I don't share that view, but that's his thinking.

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>>13109972
He gushes over LKY here and mentions his connection to deng
http://www.xenosystems.net/greatness/
He's mentioned him a bunch on twitter two, very approvingly
he says: (replying to someone)
"You don't really get the whole Deng Xiaoping thing, do you? That's unfortunate, because it was the biggest thing in last half-millennium."
Also listening to LKY practically sounds like a moldbug blogpost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rPofi-AUw

[Anonymous No.13110133]

an accelerationist would defend capitalism or communism for faster decline?

[Anonymous No.13110156]

>>13110133
There are different kinds of accelerationism:

l/acc: Typical left wing marxist accelerationism that identifies the innate problems of capitalism as its inevitable downfall, so capitalist systems should be accelerated to bring about marxism
r/acc: Right wing version of accelerationism
g/acc: gender accelerationism
and many others.
Landian accelerationism or u/acc (unconditional accelerationism) view accelerationism as a thing unto itself

[Anonymous No.13110191]

>>13110133
what do you mean for faster decline?
>>13110156
I thought Land would be described as r/acc?

[Anonymous No.13110192]

>>13110156
So l/acc and r/acc are basically engaged in a gamble, where L thinks capitalism is flawed/contradictory and will fall if pushed, while R thinks it's a viable system and will just evolve into new (presumably better) forms? But both effectively pushing for the same "acceleration", just thinking it'll have different results?

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>>13110191
>>13110192
Old school Land is u/acc. New school Land is r/acc and is part of the dark enlightenment.

See video for info described better than I could ever muster. It's a pretty decent introduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVKHg_PJQ

[Anonymous No.13110216]

>>13110049
I don't know but i suspect they'd cave even easier than China. The politicians in EU parliament are mobilising to take America on but i don't think they'll ever have the strength.

[Anonymous No.13110221]

>>13110192
I wouldn't necessarily say r/acc thinks capitalism is a viable system.
See:
https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

[Anonymous No.13110232]

>>13110156
Landian accelerationism is literally marxist accelerationism but negating the end result and claiming it's a good thing

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>>13110232
I wouldn't say that. u/acc just states how accelerationism cannot be prevented, and that it is what it is. It doesn't want to accelerate anything actually, as it views accelerationism as a thing beyond control. Neither does it view capitalism as good or bad. The u/acc doesn't care about capitalism collapsing, and I imagine most u/acc probably think capitalism isn't going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.13110258]

Accelerate

[Anonymous No.13110268]

>>13110232
>>13110253
In other words, u/acc doesn't argue that anything will collapse, whereas l/acc does

[Anonymous No.13110277]

Is r/acc the hope that it will turn into literal cyberpunk with corporations n shiiieett running everything?

[Anonymous No.13110327]

>>13110277
Just read up on Moldbug and the dark enlightenment. They aren't the same thing as r/acc, but they certainly do take accelerationist ideas in order to for a political view opposed to leftism and l/acc

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>>13109820
post the /lit/ acceleration discord link please.

[Anonymous No.13110494]

>>13110006
This is the important question I think. What China represents is the vanguard of the accelerationst hyper capitalist inevitability we are staring down the barrel of. I think we would be best served if a different regime was the herald of the new age, but what's coming is coming whether China takes the helm or falls by the wayside.

[Anonymous No.13110539]

>>13110216
Yeah, I think the German plan is going to fail. They are already seeing significant backlash against the most important aspects involving identity unification. My own national pride aside, the EU has seen remarkable prosperity under American hegemony. The idea that they would turn towards China or Russia over the US seems ludicrous. Then again these are Europeans we are talking about, the autism runs deep.

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>>13109820
Is Sonic the Hedgehog accelerationist?

[Anonymous No.13110578]

>>13110568
Sonic the Hedgehog memes are accelerationist

[Anonymous No.13110650]

>>13110539
Europeans have to completely cut ties with America and ban any and all things American if they want to survive. Probably not going to happen though.

[Anonymous No.13110677]

>>13110650
That's the only way Europe will survive, but I don't think that will turn out very well for Europeans.

[Anonymous No.13110683]

>>13110677
In the long run it will, but what's needed is a coalition of nations to band together and destroy America. Sadly unlikely!

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>>13110650
What does 'europeans' even mean? Are you talking about the ethnic europeans, or just anybody who is there, anybody who comes there?

[Anonymous No.13110703]

>>13110697
I mean ethnic Europeans who live in Europe, the continent. A total break from the Anglosphere must be made before we drag everyone down with us.

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>>13109906
China is easy 20 years ahead of the US in terms of lands idea if progress

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>>13110727
>>13109906
>>13109940
>>13109967
>>13109972
>I share nothing of their mournful affection for the medieval period, but I think they’re totally right to say that there was a catastrophic failure that unleashed this explosive process, and that is what modernity is from the perspective of the Ancien Régime. What any social system is for is to stop this nuclear pile going off. You look at Chinese civilization and you say, well, what is it really doing? What’s it for? From a certain perspective, it’s a capitalism containment structure that obviously worked better in this traditionalist sense than the European one. The European one was too fractured, it was subject to a whole bunch of wild, uncontrollable influences, and unprecedented feedback structures kicked off that no one was in a position to master in Europe.

[Anonymous No.13110882]

>>13110683
Why do they need to destroy America? Even if they were able to win the conflict (doubtful), why not play ball? Is this just a European attitude I can't wrap my head around? America has been much more of a friend than a foe to the nation's of Europe as far as I can see. Especially compared to the European hegemons that preceded them. I feel like this approach has been tried over and over again by the people of Europe and it usually just leads to a lot of dead Germans and Russians.

[Anonymous No.13110912]

>>13110882
It's about rejecting globalism, of which America is the biggest player. Every country should reject globalism ideally

[Anonymous No.13110921]

>>13110912
But they can't

[Anonymous No.13110931]

kik.me/g/iP_oY2-kxs0iB0XJA9OccuuJsTE

[Anonymous No.13110936]

>>13110912
The globalists will inevitably win, cooperative strategies dominate. Do you think the globalists won both world wars by chance?

[Anonymous No.13110945]

>>13110936
That's why I said ideally. Only a global revolution which unites people across country lines could do the trick.

[Anonymous No.13110961]

>>13110945
That's either super globalism or a temporary regression to slow the emergence of the global state. The tape will play forward the same way again. Annihilation is the only semi-permanent obsticle, but humanity 2 in a few billion years will try again.

[Anonymous No.13110964]

>>13110936
Globalists were on both sides

[Anonymous No.13110978]

>>13110882
America bad

>America has been much more of a friend than a foe to the nation's of Europe as far as I can see.
This is wrong but it's not so easy to see.

[Anonymous No.13110983]

>>13110961
It seems that the tendency for centralization or decentralization is down to weapons technology. Everyone loves the example of the decentralized castle system in Europe which was blown apart by gunpowder. Quigley's book on the subject also mentions the libertarian structure of the early US having been contingent on rifle warfare.

Nukes are probably a decentralizing force to some degree, more like a creation of a multipolar geopolitics. Im sure someone has written on this topic in the past couple decades, but it must be enormously complex given how interwoven the global economy has become, how superfluous many nation state boundaries are, the different kinds of weapons technologies, etc. Maybe the Game Theory guys have relevant contributions

[Anonymous No.13111000]

>>13110983
Another example of a de-centralizing technology might be anti-ship missiles.

[Anonymous No.13111016]

>>13110983
>>13111000
Still, while there may be some decentralization, technology tends to centralize power over time.

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>>13110964
>Central powers were the globalist side
>Facists were the globalist side
Trump-wrong.jpg

[Anonymous No.13111046]

>>13110978
>you are wrong, but I won't say why
Fuck off with that shit

[Anonymous No.13111047]

anons ITT can boost their /acc cred by reading Mrs. Nick

[Anonymous No.13111056]

>>13110983
Nukes are old news. Information and economic warfare are it. Traditional militaries are there to deal with non-nuclear nations (non entities) if need be. It's starcraft irl

[Anonymous No.13111130]

>>13111047
Did she not take his surname or is that old?
>>13110983
So would NRx and r/Accel intersect or merge with the assumption that capitalism as it accelerates is a decentralizing force? It does seem the number of sovereigns is increasing in the world...

[Anonymous No.13111165]

>>13111130
guess she liked her name the way it was

[Anonymous No.13111353]

>>13109820

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>>13111353
the negative proclitivities i thought i'd have on reading this,
the mechanospheric lit-crit modulations required of postmodernists
this time will seem to obey reflexive wishes to desist
i find i am in agreement with this Cavetwitter apologist

[Anonymous No.13111450]

>>13110539
am*rica is genuinely the worst thing in existence and the world will collectively celebrate once you burgers are gone for good

[Anonymous No.13111750]

Accelerationism is idealism and reformism's evil twin brother.

[Anonymous No.13111834]

Accelerationism is just the rationalism that was already btfo by Kant dressed up in a new costume. Yuk Hui is the only writer in the whole milleu with anything remotely interesting to say. You guys just like it because of blade runner/lovecraft aesthetics and memes

[Anonymous No.13111864]

>>13109906
He means that the Chinese are inhuman, likely insects

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[Anonymous No.13111872]

>>13109907
Yep

Taoism > Buddhism

[Anonymous No.13111876]

>>13109948
Ok, now you're starting to talk like Heidegger. Not very deterritorializing, now is it?

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[Anonymous No.13111951]

>>13111450
No, you'll scream as your countries burn and your human rights cease to be respected at the hands of China and Russia if the giant stick of America stops projecting power keeping the real baddies in their holes.

[Anonymous No.13111955]

>>13110277
one of Land's basic formulations for cyberpunk is pretty simple: No Socialism. everything else goes. but presumably the corporations that remain are going to be interested in fidelity to the process, whatever that is.

this is also the reason why Land isn't a fascist either, because NatSoc is still Soc. so co-opting his stuff for traditionally fascist ends doesn't work either, and whatever the fuck the media is going to think acceleration means in a few years from now is going to be borrowed from them, which will make it doubly wrong. Land dreams of glittering financial districts and BTC mines a-humming, 24/7, all the way to singularity. the farther things veer from r/acc ('Cthulhu Swims Left') the more religious they become, and he doesn't like that. conversely, there is also a tipping point at which they go the other way, and everything /acc just becomes an excuse for racial holy war, and he won't co-sign this either.

i would say Gothic Marxism (or, more accurately, Cyber-Gothic Marxism) best fits what he's all about, or at least that is the kind of place where he formulated his DE essays during the great NRx wave of a few years back. now he kind of roots on-off for China but only because there's nowhere else to go, really, and because authoritarian state capitalism is also hardly a loser bet for how the future is likely to be. the most tragicomic aspect of his legacy is that after destroying his brain thinking through everything there was to think about the future history of capital, big business clearly prefers shiny all-inclusive Applied Postmodernity these days in the form of the woke-progressive billionaire, who is purest anathema to all those glittering cyberpunk neon fantasies he's been so good at theorizing. ya gotta love Planet Meme.

[Anonymous No.13112005]

>>13111955
basically, his Kantian-Marxian logic (and the link between being Deleuze) is a hard stopper on the endgames at the political extremes, whether they mean blood and soil or anything remotely described as 'emancipation' or 'liberation.' only brains really matter, and the only kind of emancipation he's interested in is the teleoplectic, time-bending kind, which arrives through automation. everything else is so much religious signification, overtly or covertly.

this is the part any future coverage of him is going to miss. i have already seen the earliest pieces coming out that conflate acceleration with the crudest and simplest possible meaning, that somehow it just means 'accelerating' world war three to appease the lunatics on the extremes. Land is an extremist no doubt, and has his moments of lunacy, but it absolutely wasn't what he had in mind. for all the coldness, he would still just call himself the world's most unorthodox liberal economist, provided that the definition of the word liberal is taken in a much more rigorous 18C meaning, rather than the one it has today. with a heavy dose of Malthus on the side.

another way you might look at his work is this way: if the mass market is what truly reflects the unconscious of modern man, Landian stuff is like the Freudian uncanny in the cozy mirage. the Outside haunts the edges of the thing, like a thing that cannot be rationally processed except by the deeper dive. it connotes the sublime and the terrible, the unassimilable part. but this is a Freud uncoupled from Marxism, and a Freud who - like Kant - arrives at the mysterious point beyond which rational inquiry fails, and what lies ahead is a complete void, and bracing cold, and terrifying visions. that's a good thing, by the way, because everything else leads to repression, neurosis, and much else. in its political form, it leads to hysterical reactions.

hence the need for sobriety, no doubt an ironic thing to hear from a guy whose own habits would have impressed Hunter Thompson. but ultimately that was where he got to, i think. certainly changes the way you look at the news, at any rate.

[Anonymous No.13112533]

where do i start with nick? serious question

[Anonymous No.13112600]

https://youtu.be/plAr3adKbyc
is this nick land ost?

[Anonymous No.13112602]

>>13112533
Fanged Noumena

[Anonymous No.13112643]

The Wagelord Chinese Emperor will take over the East, including the Middle East, Eastern Russia, and the northern parts of Africa. However, an Esoteric Moslem Sikh ideology will dominate mixed with Chinese and Japanese folk religions. The anomied Americas and Euros will ally against this blob in the name of the one Lord Mankind with His democracy.

[Anonymous No.13112647]

>>13109906
one of the core ideas in accelerationism is that the future is in a sense already here and we are just seeing it construct itself

[Anonymous No.13112686]

>>13109820
no, make it stop, I do not like this
I want to get off mr bones wild ride
I want to get off mr bones wild ride
I want to get off mr bones wild ride
I want to get off mr bones wild ride

[Anonymous No.13112740]

>>13110050
Exactly, if you thwart China than whatever means you have used to do so are necessarily accelerationist. Capitalism mutates when necessary for survival, that's the whole point.

[Anonymous No.13112747]

>>13111951
Lmao the absolute state of yanks. Some of us want 'the baddies' in charge.

[Anonymous No.13112752]

>>13109907
very disturbing image

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>>13112816

[Anonymous No.13113060]

guys, is he just a meme or should i embrace him

[Anonymous No.13113068]

>>13109906
the "working its way back from the future" somehow ties to Heidegger's views on time (and being)

[Anonymous No.13113070]

>>13113060
both

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