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Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 14:19:25 No.13103505 [Reply] [Original]

Guys I think the Twilight fad might be dead.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 14:20:49 No.13103513 Oh sorry guys I meant to post this in 2014

>>	OP Sun, May 12, 2019 14:22:58 No.13103523 I'm gay btw

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 14:24:01 No.13103529 Is the YA Mary Sue genre dead? I haven't heard of any big movie options since capeshit came into its own.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 15:01:10 No.13103744 What about Hunger Games?

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 15:32:39 No.13103940

>>13103529
Turns out post modern society could get even worse, I can only imagine what the next step is.
I'm thinking the 'ironic' Che shirts made through sweatshop slave laborers comes back with a vengeance personally, only this time it's a white washed Lenin.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 15:34:28 No.13103954

>>13103940
It's already visible in the whole democratic socialist thing, it's literally only a matter of time considering the trend of modern socialists distancing themselves from the USSR instead of critically analysing its faults and addressing how to fix them.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 15:50:14 No.13104037 File: 31 KB, 357x278, Throne_of_Glass_series.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13103529 >Is the YA Mary Sue genre dead? In literature? No, it's still strong. In cinema? Capeshit killed everything that isn't capeshit, it's like eucalyptus.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 15:54:03 No.13104058 >>13104037 I would say that the twilight-esque Mary Sue shit has been killed by capeshit in literature as well, except the superheroes can also be medieval superheroes now.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:05:50 No.13104121

>>13104058
Well, we can analyze all the female protagonists of the YA book genre and see how many are passive (almost a MacGuffin in their own stories) and how many are gurlpower Mary Sue (like Captain Marvel), but it's still there in a good number. We can't say the same about cinema because Disney is almost a monopoly at this point and capeshit is their main product.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:07:38 No.13104137 >>13103505 >Twilight >horror It belongs in the YA section or the romance section. Hell, even the fantasy section would be more fitting. There's nothing spooky in Twilight.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:10:07 No.13104155

>>13104121
Yeah, I'd admit that saying the wet rag protagonist was completely dead was overselling my position a bit. Still, I think the evolution towards protagonists with at least some personality, however basic, at least accounts for something of a positive evolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:14:57 No.13104180 Damn, I didn't expect twilight books to be that long/thick

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:29:26 No.13104255 >>13104180 As someone who went through one once to see if it was actually bad or if that was just a meme: It has literally no actual content.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:30:18 No.13104259 >>13104155 I see a point with Bella's absence of personality because she was a teenager, in a new town and surrounded by monsters, one that was basically a drug in human form that could, and wanted, to kill her. Suddenly, she was in this new world.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:30:32 No.13104264 >>13104180 >>13104255 She could've cut the books in half easily if she wasn't such an inept writer.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:32:26 No.13104273

>>13104259
Even if that were a legit reason for her to be a flat character that would still just be an excuse to write a flat character for young girls to project themselves on.
Hell, Harry Potter managed to have characters that evolved and had some degree of complexity to their personality.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:38:16 No.13104313 >>13103954 >Their critique of critical critique was not critical enough If irony had a physical weight...

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:40:59 No.13104332 >>13104137 >he doesnt know the genreization of books is the biggest joke in the world

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:41:01 No.13104333 >>13104137 Idk...it's a horror that it was ever published

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:41:41 No.13104339

>>13104273
I agree with you.
I liked the first two books (the first more than the second) because of the reasons on my previously post. But the story went downhill because it wasn't a protagonist suffering with confusion and adaptation after the initial shock, this was Bella in all the books.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:48:21 No.13104386

>>13104339
I forgot to say that this series has a big impact on me because I had my first gf, first broke up and everything involved with first love, first kiss (and my second kiss with a different girl), etc while reading it during the Twilight mania.
So, I'm not a good judge.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 16:59:36 No.13104444

>>13104313
I'm not talking about socialists who have read theory, I'm talking about internet socialists who think Bernie Sanders will forge the path towards socialism and who distance themselves from every social movement ever.
And those that will give the basic 'not real socialism' reply when pushed on the whole 'But commulism bad cus Stalin bad' take instead of giving an actual explanation of where the USSR and Maoist China failed and where they didn't.
Do not ever believe the meme that electoralism is a reliable means of achieving a socialist system, if you subscribe to that bs you might as well go to /r/chapotraphouse or /r/lateStageCapitalism.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:31:32 No.13104619

>>13103505
Why is this so often categorized as horror? There was a course in horror lit I was looking at taking this year, and half the curriculum was stuff like Lovecraft (i.e. actual horror), while the other half was just a bunch of shit like (and including) Twilight. What gives?

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:36:33 No.13104647 >>13104619 Because there's a metrosexual vampire and a cuck werewolf in it. Sorry to dissapoint you, that's literally all there's to it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:40:43 No.13104665 >>13104444 Sure, but insisting that it wouldn't be this way if not for a lack of Marxist Orthodoxy is equally lazy.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:42:35 No.13104677 >>13104665 Literally not what I was arguing for you absolute moron.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:45:05 No.13104689 >>13104677 >>13104665 You do realise that orthodox marxism isn't the only strain of socialist theory that advocates the need for an out-of-system solution to capitalism?

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:47:01 No.13104699 >>13103505 have you tried Having sex?

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 17:57:03 No.13104756 >>13104037 >it's like eucalyptus. Hopefully it will burn California too.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:10:15 No.13104834 >>13104699 No, who wrote it? Any good?

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:16:55 No.13104873

>>13104677
>>13104689
I'm used to appeals for "critique" of previous attempts at reaching total socialism actually being lazy equivocation for holding fast to a particular reading of Marx, rather than any substantive identification of fundamental issues with the socialist program as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:34:59 No.13104977 >>13104873 So basically you're saying you're arguing against some opponent you've created in your own head? Based schizoposter, I'll give you that.

Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 18:54:32 No.13105099

twilight is massively miscast in the cultural mind because people in 2008 were psycho. imagine the same kind of vitriol and constant mockery that twilight received pouring on to any current media directed at teen girls. maybe it's just because i was in middle school when twilight happened but it's just wild to think back on all of the hate that it even still gets because of its reputation as garbage literature.

i actually read twilight, when it was coming out and i was in middle school. i liked it a ton up until the final book which made me mad because it felt like fanfic. but the last book isn't the most important in the series, from a thematic perspective the first and second are all you need.

twilight is the suburban tween girl's revolt against the lack of dignity that her world allows her. it's not romance at all edward and bella don't do anything romantic together. twilight is about becoming immortal and living in the night and no longer needing to eat

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 19:49:31 No.13105402 Twilight is garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 20:59:43 No.13105716 >>13104444 >internet socialists who think Bernie Sanders will forge the path towards socialism Good lord, really? That guy's socialism is so watered-down it's practically homeopathic.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 21:32:32 No.13105846 >>13103940 Oh Lib Lenin is definitely on the docket. Also a trend of people thinking the Republicans (Trump specifically) are Communists because of the supposed Russia connection.

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 21:34:03 No.13105849 >>13103523 underrated

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 21:35:42 No.13105856 >>13105099 are you woman? Because you sound like a stupid bitch

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 21:37:31 No.13105866 >>13104037 what the fuck is up with those names

>>	Anonymous Sun, May 12, 2019 21:56:25 No.13105926 File: 186 KB, 432x415, vom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13103505 My mom loves these books and thinks it's unironically the greatest story ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 00:10:36 No.13106388 Saver's is a great place to get used books, ngl

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 04:19:53 No.13107028 File: 69 KB, 960x540, 1449665877238.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13105926 Well that is what happens when she as no access to good porn or education.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 05:13:24 No.13107120 >>13104037 Those are the most generic YA fantasy book names I've ever seen. Really gives a good hint as to how original the book's content is going to be

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 07:25:19 No.13107472 >>13105926 Your mom is sad.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 07:55:05 No.13107565 >>13103505 Hipsters gave Twilight a lot more shit than it deserved. There's worse YA trash out there, far worse. And it's not like it had any demeaning content in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 08:38:27 No.13107675 >>13105099 >twilight is about becoming immortal and living in the night and no longer needing to eat It does sound like my teenage fantasy desu

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 08:56:23 No.13107733 James Patterson gets """""work"""" still so that can't be right I read all of his Maximum Ride YA stuff and I've never been more baffled. He has to be on drugs

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 13, 2019 09:10:28 No.13107773 >>13103505 Yeah my library bookstore looks like this too.

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