/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13057360]

Does anyone here like graphic novels?

[Anonymous No.13057426]

No.
Get those rats out of here.

[Anonymous No.13057446]

>>13057360
Ye
Watchmen and V for Vendetta are dope.

[Anonymous No.13057609]

Yeah, but they're not literature.

[Anonymous No.13057641]

I like quite a few of them but I'm not a fan of the conventional capeshit comics. Manu Larcenet's Blast series was really good.

[Anonymous No.13058311]

>>13057360
I like Jodorowsky's comics

[Anonymous No.13058393]

>>13057446
>Watchmen
lol
>>13057609
>gatekeeping even though literature is anything reliant on the written word and graphic novels rely on the written word
bigger lol

[Anonymous No.13058481]

>>13057360

I’m reading Berlin, by Jason Lutes, right now wholeheartedly recommend.

[Anonymous No.13058532]

>>13058393
whats your beef with watchmen

[Anonymous No.13058559]

>>13058532
His nickname was Rorschach in high school and not because of the cool stuff

[Anonymous No.13058577]

>>13058393
>gatekeeping even though literature is anything reliant on the written word and graphic novels rely on the written word
You're wrong. There are comics which do not rely on the written word like Thomas Ott's or Jason's. And the visual aspect makes them comics, not literature. It's not about muh gatekeeping (plebbit buzzword btw), it's about proper categorization, you retard. Music isn't architecture.

[Anonymous No.13058619]

>>13058532
lol
>>13058577
yes, there are comics that aren't literature, since literature relies on the written word and there do exist comics that rely more so on visual content. literary comics do exist. if you're going to say that anything with a visual aspect is disqualified from literature, then all writers who do anything other than type and hit enter periodically (i.e. Danielewski, Dorst, Steven Hall, Cummings, Pound, Apollinaire, et cetera) are not literature. also,
>everyone that disagrees with me and uses a common criticism is from reddit
>and ignore the fact that buzzword is a buzzword, my criticisms don't apply to me

[Anonymous No.13058643]

>>13058532
>>13058619
nah im curious, what makes people here not like watchmen in reference to the comic medium

[Anonymous No.13058649]

>>13058619
You're absolutely wrong and fundamentally misguided but I will let you parade around like the fool that you are because I've had this exact same argument in the past here and stubborn goats like you cannot comprehend art nor understand its categories. So carry on, mate, ridicule yourself, I won't get in the way. "Comics are literature". And crocodiles are canines. And smartphones are kitchen utensils. The shite you homosexuals say sometimes. Do me the fucking favour.

[Anonymous No.13058660]

>>13058649
>having an autistic breakdown because someone called a bundle of paper with words on it a form of literature

[Anonymous No.13058669]

manga >>> graphic novels

[Anonymous No.13058674]

>>13058660
I suppose the loo paper with brand logo letters on it that I use every day to wipe my arse is also literature. Get a load of this bastard. I call bait. Adieu.

[Anonymous No.13058680]

>>13058669
this

[Anonymous No.13058706]

>>13057360
>The work employs postmodernist techniques and represents Jews as mice, Germans as cats, and Poles as pigs.

kek

[Anonymous No.13058719]

Daniel Clowes has a pretty good art style. I like his graphic novel called Patience. Also, mister wonderful is alright. Theres a different one by a different author called asterios polyp i just read that some people might like, it was pretty dees. I think watchmen is also pretty much the gold standard.

[Anonymous No.13058749]

>>13058669

theyre two completely different things

thats like saying hiphop >> opera

[Anonymous No.13058760]

>>13058749
>book with Japanese cartoon people talking
>completely different from book with American cartoon people talking

[Anonymous No.13058769]

>>13058749
They're the exact same thing.
No English speaker calls French comics "bandes dessinées," so why should Japan get special treatment?

[Anonymous No.13058771]

>>13058760
Different formats, though. Manga even reads backwards. Fuck, you're insufferable.

[Anonymous No.13058778]

>>13058769
They're different genres. Names obviously change depending on the language. Don't go full retard.

[Anonymous No.13058782]

>>13058771
>Arabic reads right to left, so it isn't a language

[Anonymous No.13058786]

>>13058778
>manga is a genre
>graphic novel is a genre
is this the most retarded OP on /lit/ right now?

[Anonymous No.13058789]

>>13058778
>"manga" is a genre
please stop posting

[Anonymous No.13058793]

>>13058782
Arabic isn't a language because it's spoken by brown people.
Haven't you completed your /pol/brainwashing yet? Get with the times.

[Anonymous No.13058803]

>>13058619
>if you're going to say that anything with a visual aspect is disqualified from literature, then all writers who do anything other than type and hit enter periodically (i.e. Danielewski, Dorst, Steven Hall, Cummings, Pound, Apollinaire, et cetera) are not literature
Dude what are you even saying. Stop digging yourself into a hole.

[Anonymous No.13058808]

>>13058793
>Ancient Greek was written with boustrophedon, so it was written right to left half the time, so it wasn't a language half the time
>>13058803
can you refute it beyond "lol u dum XDDD"?

[Anonymous No.13058809]

>>13058619
They put pictures in to keep children and low IQ people interested.

[Anonymous No.13058813]

>>13058782
No, it's a different language, THAT'S the point. Manga is a different format/genre.

[Anonymous No.13058818]

>>13058789
>>13058786
In the same way novels and short stories are genres. Not thematic genres but presentation genres.

[Anonymous No.13058820]

>>13058808
>lol u dum XDDD
I see I’m talking with a retard. Forget it.

[Anonymous No.13058828]

I thought /lit/ was about reading w/out the perty pictures.

[Anonymous No.13058829]

>>13058809
mangafags BTFO

[Anonymous No.13058834]

>>13058769

Manga as we know it today evolved completely in its own bubble for the last 50 years.

At their core they are similar with the format, but using that argument to generalize the two mediums is like saying that all movie genres can be lumped into one category and judged on the same grounds.

[Anonymous No.13058835]

>>13058828
Anything is subjective these days. Painting is music, too. Dickless men are women.

[Anonymous No.13058836]

>>13058809
ok
>>13058813
>Arabic and Ancient Greek aren't left-to-right, so they aren't languages
>manga isn't left-to-right, so it isn't a comic
>>13058820
>quotes himself, uses that as proof I'm dumb
>uses this as an excuse to leave instead of acknowledging he has no argument
Jesus

[Anonymous No.13058846]

>>13058836
>quotes himself
Nope. I quoted you.

[Anonymous No.13058855]

>>13058836
just by the way you reply i can tell you have little to no social relationships that do not deteriorate faster than you would like

[Anonymous No.13058858]

>>13058846
>I quote you
>you quote my quote, originally yours
>"LOL I'M JUST QUOTING YOU XDDD"
I thought you were gone, but okay

[Anonymous No.13058861]

>>13058836
>ok
Glad to see common sense prevailed ;^)

[Anonymous No.13058865]

>>13058855
just by the way you suddenly bring up completely irrelevant shit that you couldn't possibly know or even safely assume, I can tell you're projecting

[Anonymous No.13058869]

>>13058858
>originally yours
I never wrote "lol u dum XDDD" except when quoting you, you dumb schizoid.
>I thought you were gone
? Are you hallucinating?

[Anonymous No.13058872]

>>13058861
ok

[Anonymous No.13058873]

>>13058836
Both Western comics and manga fall under the texto-visual umbrella. And your language comparison is retarded and so are you.

[Anonymous No.13058877]

Mangas are comics and animes are cartoons. End of story

[Anonymous No.13058887]

>>13058869
>make a fake, over the top quote
>"LOL I NEVER SAID THAT XDDD"
no shit, are you new?
>Forget it.
I kind of assumed this meant you weren't going to reply to me anymore, but I guess you couldn't resist my charm
>>13058873
explain why the comparison is retarded, please. I want at least one intelligent response today that's not just "HAHA YOU'RE RETARDED :^D"

[Anonymous No.13058888]

>>13058865
seething

[Anonymous No.13058895]

>>13058888
based digits but nah, I'm actually pretty entertained right now, threads like this are funny. I can only assume that you're still projecting, otherwise you wouldn't falsely read such an extreme emotion into text on a screen

[Anonymous No.13058908]

>>13058895
yeah this was great

[Anonymous No.13058919]

>>13058887
Because I never said manga wasn't a texto-visual genre like you're ridiculously saying here that Greek and Hebrew are not languages. I'm saying Western comics and manga are different genres but both fall under the texto-visual umbrella. You're sperging about a nonsensical comparison you created yourself. You're doing a strawman.

[Anonymous No.13058931]

>>13058919
manga belongs to the group of books called comics, just as Arabic, Ancient Greek, Hebrew, Ancient Chinese, and formal Japanese belong to the group of written grammars called languages. where, exactly, does this statement logically fail?

[Anonymous No.13058939]

>>13058887
>make a fake, over the top quote
Yeah that's exactly what you did.
>I kind of assumed this meant...
That just proves you're dumb.

[Anonymous No.13058943]

>>13058931
Comics and manga belong to a type of texto-visual printed format. "Comics" are Western. Saying manga belongs to "comics" is being Western-centric and the delusional term also implies they're all comedic in nature. Why not say comics belong to manga instead? We really haven't come up with an intelligent name for that category, like with American Indians.

[Anonymous No.13058964]

>>13058939
>concedes that I'm right and then immediately calls me dumb
ok
>>13058943
>"Comics" are Western.
why? is it some inherent quality that makes it necessarily western? is this just an arbitrary definition you or some authority has set? is it because the word is English and English is a western language?

[Anonymous No.13059033]

>>13058834
I'd have to disagree here. The stupid thing about the term "manga" is that it applies to literally every kind of comic book thats released in Japan. Unlike terms like "shonen" or "shojo" it's less defined by themes or style but by location. If a japanese dude would write/draw a superhero story it would still be called manga even though it would share more similarites with western comic books than shonen manga.

[Anonymous No.13059038]

>>13059033
case in point, Boku no Hero Academia

[Anonymous No.13059053]

>>13058964
>concedes that I'm right
I did no such thing. You're just making shit up as usual.

[Anonymous No.13059058]

I came in here for artsy recs and all I got was retarded pedantry.
There was a cool Indian/Hindu western that I saw a while ago but have lost since. Does anyone know the name?

[Anonymous No.13059062]

>>13059053
>I see I’m talking with a retard.
becomes
>Yeah that's exactly what you did.
you changed your mind, but you also want to ignore that you changed your mind? what's your game here? why are you doing this?

[Anonymous No.13059090]

>>13058834
Movies aren't movies if they are made in France, then they are something completely different called films you pretentious twat!

[Anonymous No.13059105]

Big Questions is so underrated it makes me sad.

[Anonymous No.13059140]

>>13058532
It is popular.

[Anonymous No.13059171]

Comics and graphic novels are not a form of literature. They are a different medium, as different from literature as film or music. You can make an argument that stage plays are a form of literature. You can't make the same argument for comic books. I dearly love comics, but please stop making this thread.

[Anonymous No.13059802]

>>13058769
No French speaker under the age of 60 says "bande dessinée" tho, we all say "BD"

[Anonymous No.13059874]

The cancerousness and stupidity of this thread should be criminal. If I still had a gore folder I'd dump it here.

[Anonymous No.13059881]

>>13058834
American comics were really insular for a long while too. You have your own genres like capeshit which don't exist outside of the US.

Generally there are three big comic zones/traditions: USA, Japan and the French speaking Europe. Afaik French comics had more impact than American ones on Japanese comics in the 70s or so.

[Anonymous No.13059916]

Corto Maltese. And now you can find good English editions. So please, do you self a favorite. It's crucial to go through Moebius, Jodo and all the major French, Italians and South American authors. I don't care for UK/USA stuff and to be honest overall I prefer mangas. That's it.

[Anonymous No.13059926]

>>13059916
aee kaj ima

[Anonymous No.13059928]

>reading stripboeken

[Anonymous No.13059939]

>>13059916
Can you give me an ISBN? I don't want to accidentally get one of the ones with terrible formatting

[Anonymous No.13059953]

>>13057360
They’re not graphic novels, they’re comic book collections

[Anonymous No.13061136]

>>13059171
A comic is probably closer to literature than a play, except that there is a lack of good literature in the form. In a graphic novel, everything is in the book. You don't need to worry about staging.

[Anonymous No.13062468]

This book made me appreciate graphic novels more

[Anonymous No.13062485]

>>13057360
brecchia, pero no podes leer dibujitos wn, no son novelas

[Anonymous No.13062509]

>>13057360
Yes, I read comics.

[Anonymous No.13062615]

>>13057360
that's by far the best graphic novel i ever read it really gives you the best critique ever of our society's obsession with criminals and serial killers