ALT-RIGHT POLITICAL ART

[Anonymous No.13017516]

Hyde's MDE and that book he put out, but what else. It's a content wasteland and some lolkek limpdick gestures towards "fashwave." Any of you guys aware of visual art or literature coming from this direction? All mainstream academia can point to is PEPE and what, greentext

[Anonymous No.13017528]

Whatever it is im sure it would self-consciously negate its own quote unquote artfulness

[Anonymous No.13017584]

>>13017516
This guy's a faggot but he has that alt-rightish artsy schizo sensibility and clearly has some MDE influence. Think it has a lot of potential and the more I watch him the more I think he's actually a nut job which may work in favour of some interesting creative output

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kuf6TQy_Vs

[Anonymous No.13017618]

What makes any of this alt-right? Is it just that they say words like "faggot" or is there more going on there?
I've seen a few episodes of MDE and it was offensive and mean but it didn't really seem politically motivated.

[Anonymous No.13017624]

>>13017618
old mde is mostly apolitical edginess, but Sam started browsing /pol/ and attending trump rallies and took the project in a different direction in its late years

[Anonymous No.13017634]

>>13017624
Was this before or after that buzzfeed hit piece took them down?

[Anonymous No.13017660]

>>13017634
before and contributed directly to

[Anonymous No.13017674]

Also I should clarify: I wonder about specifically net based, art im already aware of LD50 gallery and all that edgy cluster f

[Anonymous No.13017684]

>>13017618
>it was offensive and mean
That's them in a nutshell; the cruelty is the point.

[Anonymous No.13017696]

>>13017660
It was after dude

[Anonymous No.13017787]

>>13017696
sams pilled twitter posts as night_0f_Fire, especially that ultra edgy one after Charlottesville (in august, before the big shutdown in november) seem pretty proof positive

[Anonymous No.13017798]

>>13017624
Old MDE was more left-libertarian.

[Anonymous No.13017871]

>>13017516
In personality terms right-wingers tend to be close minded and uncreative, and the alt-right is the extreme right. The stuff that exists is quite primitive. Say Murdoch Murdoch for example. Mostly high quality memes really. But the movement is growing so I suppose we'll see some cultural production in the near future. They're still in the process of finding themselves.

[Anonymous No.13017876]

>>13017871
>In personality terms right-wingers tend to be close minded and uncreative
Where did you pull this memery from, there are countless right wing creative giants

[Anonymous No.13017893]

>>13017876
name 3

[Anonymous No.13017947]

>>13017893
Samuel Johnson, Thomas Carlyle, Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.13017972]

>>13017876
It's just a statistical statement from the psychometric literature on personality types and their political differences. Of course not everyone who is creative is a left-winger but openness is correlated with creativity and the line of inclusion/exclusion pretty much defines left/right. Doesn't mean that creative right-wingers do not exist or that every temperamental left-winger is indeed politically left-wing. But there will be a noticeable difference. And this shouldn't be too surprising, just look at any creative field and you'll find them leaning massively left even before the institutions themselves were subverted. But I do think that the ground for countercultural right-wing art is much more fruitful, we're just not seeing that much yet.

[Anonymous No.13017978]

>>13017871
i agree. The best theory I can find so far coming from alt right is a document called "Westhetica" which basically suggests that the alt right should move towards a cohesive visual style...by co-opting retrofuturism "like MDE," and repurposing those vaporwave meme statues to ground the movement in western cultural history.

...weak, all I see are recycled innernet types injected with watery fascism. In the westhetica document the subheading ">why are you obsessed with aesthetics, what are you a faggot?" and subsequent paragraph long rebuttal says a lot about the current tension between "alt right" and "art"

[Anonymous No.13017989]

>>13017516
mostly "muh statues"

[Anonymous No.13017995]

these people only think the sublime will kick in when they're shooting their enemies in the neck

[>>13017978 No.13018002]

>>13017971
i should clarify, i agree that the stuff that exists is still primitive, i have no idea about your goof generalization about right wingers and creativity

[Anonymous No.13018077]

>>13017516
Imagine having to consume such bad art to make your political views seem palatable

[>>13017978 No.13018115]

>>13018077
https://www.deviantart.com/neon-degrelle/gallery/

https://www.deviantart.com/embrace-tradition/gallery/

God you can even see the ghost of reaction memes in these, so embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.13018254]

>>13017972
Lefties only pretend to be open and inclusive.

[Anonymous No.13018276]

>>13017618
they made a segment titled "jews rule" with adult swim but AS made them change it to just jews rock

[Anonymous No.13018349]

>>13018254
No they are. They exclude exclusion.

[Anonymous No.13018419]

>>13018349
All you have to do is disagree with one of their precepts and they will get in a tizzy. They are extremely intolerant. Abortion, gun control, the holocaust - they have so many hot buttons that they fail to contain themselves if they get any intellectual stimulation. I see this on the right, also - but not as much.

[Anonymous No.13018423]

FUCK JANNIES

[Anonymous No.13018466]

>>13018423
Give me five keywords. I am writing Jannie a poem.

[Anonymous No.13018481]

>>13018419
The gun thing is political/cultural programming and the holocaust reaction propably appropriate, but; islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, racism. All of These issues/insults are a reaction to perceived exclusion. They're relativist because they want to be all-inclusive and that down to the individual. But in the extreme that means that they react violently to exclusion (no tolerance for the intolerant!). Psychologically the right is identical but towards inclusion, the hard right psyche can't even tolerate a person with slightly different appearance. Look at pol, I mean I do understand the satire and subversion involved but a lot of it is honest. What is White? They have constant threads about that because they're psychologically obsessed with drawing borders.

[Anonymous No.13018493]

>>13018481
Please, provide an analysis of their position on abortion that cannot be interpret as being exclusive.

[Anonymous No.13018501]

>>13018493
*ed

[Anonymous No.13018543]

>>13018493
They do not ascribe personhood to the fetus. As such you would behave exclusionary to the individual making the decision (my body my choice). But you misunderstand the construct. Not everything they do is a direct result of this psychology. There are also other influences. Politics for example. They're a female driven movement, females have an interest in the option of abortion. It could just as well be that abortion is a feature of the left because it is inserted into it by female power. But of course there always has to be a synthesis, hence the psychologically or philosophically necessary denial of personhood for the unborn.

[Anonymous No.13018570]

>>13018481
>islamophobia, homophobia

Think about those two words together for a few moments. Then talk to me about "tolerance of intolerance" Mr Popper.

[Anonymous No.13018578]

>>13018570
e-everyone in that photo has been radicalised on the internet! they're not real muslims! they'd never make it through the strict vetting in our open borders policy, r-right guys? we do vet, right?

[Anonymous No.13018598]

I’m a right wing trump supporter and am about 40 pages into a book that will be a big success. It is apolitical but will have right wing undertones.

[Anonymous No.13018609]

>>13018598
>40 pages into a book that will be a big success
Why are you so sure of that?

[Anonymous No.13018620]

>>13018543
>females have an interest in the option of abortio
So does everyone.
>They do not ascribe personhood to the fetus
That is their choice in constructing their argument. There is subjectivity at work. The fact that they cannot accept the inherent subjectivity in the argument defines them as intolerant bigots.

[Anonymous No.13018631]

>>13018570
Again we have a complicated situation. There was widespread reaction against muslim culture in the continental left of the '70s. But then came the left's coalition with global capital. The left gets the votes/state growth and the capital the labor/consumption. This is very powerful stuff and it can bend the rules significantly. An entire Theory (synthesis) arose around that issue, that of intersectionality. The POC has become by definition the excluded person and even when he himself acts exclusionary is within an hierarchy of exclusion (marginalized) above those he discriminates against. Of course there are a few problems with this construction and that's because it didn't arise out of a purely logical process, it was created by political pressure and necessity.

[Anonymous No.13018633]

>>13017516

As a movement I think they're more into performance art

[Anonymous No.13018653]

>>13018633
Indeed, friend.

[Anonymous No.13018664]

>>13018631
Did you even read his post? You missed his point altogether.

[Anonymous No.13018670]

>>13018664
I think I understood correctly?

[Anonymous No.13018673]

>>13018609
I’m really not lmao but I believe I’m a talented writer and have a good story planned out that I’ve tried to fill with complex and interesting characters. It’s got the ingredients for success so I have faith that I can get it published.

[Anonymous No.13018674]

>>13018670
I gotta go to bed now, gn8..

[Anonymous No.13018677]

>>13018673
Fair enough. Good luck with it m80

[Anonymous No.13018686]

>>13018670
If you did then you conflated Muslim with POC in your post.

[Anonymous No.13018696]

>>13018673
>It’s got the ingredients for success
Typically, the necessary ingredient is a connection.

[Anonymous No.13018778]

>>13018673
Future blogger over here

[Anonymous No.13018980]

>>13017798
explain

[Anonymous No.13019017]

>>13017584
this is dope, thanks for rec

[Anonymous No.13019025]

>>13018980
most of their best, fully fleshed out early content was mostly centered on anti-consumerism, anti-PC, anti-cop, pro Occupy Wall Street surprisingly. Check out Officer Maggot and Knife School.

[Anonymous No.13019068]

>>13017584
>>13019017
wait i just watched his other vids and he truly is a faggot. Nice editing but he's literally trying to copy Hyde and failing miserably

[Anonymous No.13020825]

Bump

[Anonymous No.13020931]

>>13018481
>>13018570
we have to understand liberalism/leftism not as a mere tendency towards relativism but as a militantly universalist supersessionist theology, with its own clearly defined dogmas. just like christianity and islam claim to have superseded judaism, the progressive religion superseded them in turn together with all previous religions and particularities. Progressivism is not really compatible with islam, or with any other religion for that matter, as it substitues religious worldviews based around ideas of the soul, sin and the law, for a purely therapeutic understanding of the human, based around the concept of inclusion. for progressives, islam is just another contentless 'identity' that exists to be 'included' into progressivism and the ideal 'muslim' is a blue-bearded genderqueer hijabi 'sex worker' who takes 304803 dicks every night and then spends xer freetime watching superhero extravaganzas in which muslims and blue haired queers are properly represented. Imo i think you are really getting somewhere with that part about drawing boundaries, progressivism is hostile to boundaries of any sort, in the name of inclussiveness it will erase all particularity. rather than trotting out tired arguments like muh muslims are duh real homophobes, the radical right should be making common cause with radical islamic terrorism, as well as with anyone who wants to uphold any kind of particularity. WWIII will not pit left vs right or white vs black, it will pit the progressive Managerial gynocracy globohomo leviathan vs its enemies

[Anonymous No.13021126]

>>13017584
sam is a nutjob as well, no surprise this wacky man was so enthralled by his stuff

[Anonymous No.13021435]

>>13017516
>>13019025

Sam Hyde is at once a failure and a seemingly inexhaustible cultural object with a very interesting genealogy with plenty of implications for the what and the why of this great amerikkkan vortex.

In the Remote Past: the political ambiguity of the flaneur, Benjamin on Baudelaire, mass media, then print, allowed for a newly detached ironic perspective. Are you just looking around or are you looking for a buyer to purchase your literary persona?

Now to the 1960s the international times, RR Crumb(along with Zappa and Burroughs, really shatters the myth that the counterculture was all lefties all along), Rubin and Hoffman. 1970s woke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdE04yrUIg8

Jim Goad's answer me zine, Boyd Rice the socal edgelord scene of the 80s and 90. At the same time: Waco, Oklahoma, LA riots,Perot and Robertson. NU metal, suburban teens on gangsta rap, the end of polite society, cultural proletarisation, f Gavin McIness cited Answer Me! as an inspiration for Vice which in its early years had a markedly edgy anti pc editorial line. Now Vice is owned by disney, McIness an universal object of ridicule, failed journalist, failed leader of a right wing paramilitary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YigCFSjQZkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGrNDV2mKc

Chris Morris is an obvious influence, together with wonder showzen. Jam is like world peace but good. Morris 2005 series Nathan Barley a Hogarthian engraving of mid- Blairite London, centered around the eponymous idiot a pre-youtube internet personality ur-form of sam hyde. hipster masscult and vice magazine, remote and yet familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDxtn5bV9pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpn7C6r-WEM

Something Awful and its spinoffs: 4chan, MPC, hundreds of media careers, the syntax and the style of internet humour, a

Carles and Hipster Runoff(2007-2012) chronicling as an outsider( mexican american office worker from San Antonio, our very own Debord), the end of the process that began with Nathan Barley, indie hype and the algorithmization of culture. Occupy Wallstreet and its failure. Final loss of the underground aura, cultural journalism shifts from cool to hot, the enjoyment of mass produced commodity as a moral and social duty(poptimism, Beyonce, Obama).

infinite meaning in cultural ephemera.

Sam Hyde is a man out of time.

[Anonymous No.13022285]

don't call MDE "alt right". its 2019.

alt right is faggots like richard spencer and matt heimbach. let them have their gay label.

[>>13017978 No.13022339]

>>13021126
man i suspect with all the fucking shilling going around here the "wacky man" is in this very thread

[Anonymous No.13022407]

>>13020931
Halal post, anon

[Anonymous No.13022435]

>>13021435
i can't help but see answer me! magazine as a prefiguration of the alt right ethos, A. Wyatt Mann even did some illustrations for them(what are the links between early 4chan and pre internet american subcultures? I am too young and not burger enough to figure that out), and then there is of course, the infamous RAPE issue. Jim Goad has since become a d-list media personality and sometimes Trump supporter, but back in the day his writing was praised by liberal comedians, the very people who wont touch that stuff with a 100 ft pole AT(anno trump) III. 'edginess' is a schmittian borderline concept just like sovereignty. comedians can't go there anymore(ie. Sam Hyde's gay bashing Brooklyn show)

[>>13017978 No.13022563]

>>13022285
arguing sam hyde isn't alt right is so much more difficult than the inverse, verging on absurd. I'd like to see you try

[Anonymous No.13022565]

the divine demonic ambiguity of the american counterculture. tapping into archetypal gestures of myth, of transgression and the extreme, just like the third reich. Manson is Dionysius, Death Valley is Macedonia, Squeaky Fromme and Susan Atkins maenads of the primeval wild. We have to realise the unity of Christ and Satan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-P2aXAOBW4