/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13003039]

There is nothing beautiful left in the world. Man has lost his myths as the cult of science tries to codify everything. The culture is garbage, literature is dying, art is dying, etc. Everything has been commodified and if you try to oppose the system your actions are subsumed by the system. There are no limits to anything anymore, there is no radicality left, there is no meaning in terrorism as death has lost its meaning. Sex has lost its mystery as the world has been flooded by pornography. This culture of hyper-individuality has turned everyone against themselves, everyone explloits himself. Mental illness has been unpoliticized and are taught that we own our mental illness and it is our own fault and the mental illness industry dopes us on drugs. Teenangers being depressed is apparently normal in this society. There is no more community, there is no more family, we all live in arrangements and are taught that the corporation has a soul.

literachur 4 dis fel?

[Anonymous No.13003043]

my manifesto desu

[Anonymous No.13003044]

>>13003039
We do, in fact, live in a society, anon.

[Anonymous No.13003047]

>>13003039
Friederich von Schiller's poem, The Gods of Greece really captures what you're feeling anon.

[Anonymous No.13003049]

>>13003039
women are beautiful

[Anonymous No.13003081]

>>13003039
Invisible Cities by Calvino is pretty damn reminiscent of this

[Anonymous No.13003092]

This some Holden caulfield shit

[Anonymous No.13003121]

>>13003081
How

[Anonymous No.13003124]

Holy....this is ...I want more

[Anonymous No.13003209]

>>13003039
Steppenwolf

The eternals are laughing, anon. Mozart is laughing, Goethe is laughing. Don't forget to laugh too.

[Anonymous No.13003515]

Bump

[Anonymous No.13003544]

>>13003039
We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man.

[Anonymous No.13003561]

>>13003544
Another lie.

[Anonymous No.13003600]

>>13003544
>>13003561
The metaphor here, I believe, is not that we should stay idle, "guarding" the decay passively, but doing our 'duty' ; the guard's duty was to guard that post, while in the context of this thread the duty would be to cultivate what we deem valuable

[Anonymous No.13003669]

We live in a society.

[Anonymous No.13003707]

>>13003669
Societies were never like this in the past.

[Anonymous No.13003806]

>>13003039
The girl I love is the last beautiful thing God sent to this world. I love her so much, bros

[Anonymous No.13003855]

Wrong

[Anonymous No.13003884]

>>13003561
based retard

[Anonymous No.13003899]

>>13003039
Just create your own myths, man, just invent your meaning haha

[Anonymous No.13003945]

>>13003806
I'm unable to fall in love and it feels horrible.

[Anonymous No.13003955]

>>13003855
Is she worth living for? I've never even met her.

[Anonymous No.13003968]

Nature is beautiful - though that is dying too. At least sunsets and sunrises will always be beautiful.

[Anonymous No.13003970]

>>13003955
yes

[Anonymous No.13003973]

>>13003968
Don't worry, we'll find a way to fuck the atmosphere up

[Anonymous No.13003974]

>>13003970
you have 0.2 seconds to justify your position

[Anonymous No.13003982]

>>13003039
Now, I have to admit that I couldn't read at all and take your problem to be complete bullshit.

Go to the shower and sleep. To work tomorrow. No other advice will come.

[Anonymous No.13003985]

>>13003974
She beautiful

[Anonymous No.13003987]

>>13003985
so are flowers
not good enough

[Anonymous No.13003991]

>>13003987
counterpoint

[Anonymous No.13003992]

>>13003855
Her physical features may be beautiful but she's likely petty and shallow, focused entirely on expanding her fortune and social circle. I only say this because most people are, especially ones that take photos like that, and I'm really no exception. Can a person be petty and beautiful?

[Anonymous No.13004009]

not literature but read some baudrillard

[Anonymous No.13004012]

>>13003991
I don't love her
much worse, she doesn't love me
2d images of attractive women are a pretty lame reason to live. they're nice for 2-3 seconds but ultimately unfulfilling. I never feel content or happy after looking at a beautiful woman, no matter what degree of eroticism she's portrayed in. the only thing that changes is the numbers on the clock.

[Anonymous No.13004014]

>>13004012
then just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13004019]

>>13004014
NO
I REFUSE

[Anonymous No.13004021]

>>13003121
Here’s a quote straight from Calvino addressing how and why he wrote Invisible Cities:

“ited much of the Far East. For the Orient is nowadays a topic which is best left to experts; and I am not one. But throughout the centuries there have been poets and writers who have drawn their inspiration from II Milione, as an ex- otic and fantastic stage setting: Coleridge in his famous poem, Kafka in The Emperor's Message, Dino Buzzati in his novel The Desert of Tartars. Only the Thousand and One Nights can boast a similar success - that of an imaginary continent in which other literary works find space for their own particular worlds: con- tinents of the 'elsewhere," now that there is no longer any
'elsewhere" in the world, and the whole world is becoming more and more uniform (and for the worse).
In my Invisible Cities, Kubla Khan is a melancholy ruler who realizes that his boundless power is of little worth because the world is going rapidly downhill. Marco Polo is a visionary traveller who tells the Khan tales of impossible cities - for example, a cobweb-city suspended over the abyss, or a microscopic city which gradually spreads out until one realizes that it is made up of lots and lots of concentric cities which are all expanding.”

[Anonymous No.13004023]

>>13003991
Tri counterpoint

[Anonymous No.13004025]

>>13004012
have you tried 2D images of attractive 2D women

[Anonymous No.13004036]

>>13004025
Yes, actually
it started leading me down a path of dissociation from reality so complete that if I followed it to its end I might as well kill myself, since I would have no connection to real life anymore

[Anonymous No.13004038]

>>13004023
We're supposed to show OP there is still beauty in the world, not push him closer to suicide

[Anonymous No.13004047]

Now, I have to admit that I couldn't read at all and take your problem to be some inane bullshit.

Go to the shower and sleep. To work tomorrow. No other advice will come.

[Anonymous No.13004049]

>>13003039
Wrong!
>meet this wonderful girl during a summer internship
>kind, virtuous, loving and beautiful
>extremely smart, much better at stuff I thought I was good at-- machine learning research(deep reinforcement learning)
>I've fallen head over heels for her and to this day, a year later I still can't get myself to tell her how I feel.
I am an absolute failure for whom competence is alien. But I will very strongly refuse to accept that beauty is dead.
>and I'm not talking about looking at people with pretty faces either. I am talking about that absolute visceral warmth you feel when standing in front of someone who is an absolute gem of a human

[Anonymous No.13004056]

>>13003806
Oh man good on you anon. Love her and cherish her. You won't know how much something like this means until it is no longer there.

[Anonymous No.13004060]

>>13004049
you're an actual cuck and I'm going to marry your oneitis

[Anonymous No.13004064]

>>13004038
You wouldn’t fuck Patti Smith in here prime?

[Anonymous No.13004072]

>>13004064
meh, looks like some heroin slag

[Anonymous No.13004075]

>>13004049
>extremely smart, much better at stuff I thought I was good at
>kind, virtuous, loving and beautiful
I'd just kill her from sheer envy to be honest senpai

[Anonymous No.13004079]

>>13003855
that's an insect in a fleshsuit

[Anonymous No.13004081]

Now I have to admit that I couldn't read at all and that my problem is a full horse.

Go to the shower and sleep. To work tomorrow. No other advice.

[Anonymous No.13004085]

>>13003039
Scientific materialism as mainstream culture is a relatively new phenomenon and not one I think is gonna be around forever. With any luck we'll both live to see the phoenix of anti-rationalism and neo-romanticism rise from the stagnant ashes of our dead culture anon. Keep hanging in there.

[Anonymous No.13004097]

>>13004056
I didn't say she loves me. I have been completely taken with her since I saw her for the first time at 16, and I have had an almost religious devotion to her ever since - never wanted anyone else. She doesn't feel the same way, but I don't care. My love for her is my own, a product of me, and it brings warmth to my own life. If she doesn't care, it doesn't matter. I love her, no matter

[Anonymous No.13004101]

>>13003039

[Anonymous No.13004174]

>>13004036
yes that is the general consensus and I'd be lying if I said it's not the most likely if not the only outcome from trying, that and some type of idolatry
I'd like to hold out hope that there will come a time when some inspired near lunatic goes down that road and owns it with bravado never seen before or since but most are too easily persuaded by the first piece of hentai they come across during their daily browsing sessions to consider it

[Anonymous No.13004191]

>>13004060
>onitis? Is that a character from somewhere?
>I'm assuming onitis is like the person you long for
Anyway do you really think I don't know how pathetic I am? I know for a fact she deserves better. I know for a fact that if she ends up with me her life will be absolute shit. Of course she'll find a good man. She has a wonderfully wholesome and supporting family who'll make sure that she makes good decisions. I just hope she has a good life. I just hope she finds an equally precious, deserving partner and not fall for some hack arrogantly trying his luck.
>>13004075
Nah dude. You can't be envious of someone like this even if you tried man. It's like being envious of the last beautiful flower left on a deserted desolate planet. And to pluck it and destroy it would be a sin beyond forgiveness. I don't believe in god or anything but I am convinced given enough randomness in nature you have these very rare glimpses of everything going right--resulting in absolute beauty.
Of course I may not be worthy of it's company but I'll be damned if I can't appreciate its existence.
>she radiates happiness man. She is always cheerful and has this wonderful smile-- the edge of which is razor sharp and disappears strikingly into her high pink cheek

[Anonymous No.13004196]

>>13004097
Oh I'm really sorry anon. I definitely know how you feel.

[Anonymous No.13004255]

>>13004191
What's the point of absolute beauty if I am not worthy of its company. I appreciate the beauty by appropriating it, since it's me the viewer who attaches the beauty to a sight with the peculiarities of my perception. Thus no beauty is unworthy of my company, that is until I meet a person so perfect they deny my existence simply by existing themselves. They possess their own beauty so I cannot appropriate it, but still I see their beauty and cannot deny it either. It serves as an external measure for my own existence, and its measurement is mortal, for this beauty I cannot attain. As such I can only destroy it or be destroyed myself.

[Anonymous No.13004256]

>>13004060
>>13004191
>You ever met someone who's mere presence makes you want to stop being a loser?
>someone who inspires hope in your heart for a brief moment before the reality of your shittiness sets in.
>someone who you know deserves to be in the company of people who truly are good.
>she shouldn't have to put up with chanposting incompetent good-for-nothings for the rest of her life.

[Anonymous No.13004267]

>>13003039
Giacomo Leopardi

"You, Ariosto, meanwhile, were born to sweet
dreams, and the primal sun, shone
on your face, carefree singer of love and arms,
who filled life with happy illusions,
in an age less sad than ours:
Italy’s new hope. O chambers, O towers,
O ladies, O cavaliers,
O gardens, O palaces, thinking of you,
my mind is lost in a thousand
empty pleasures. Vanities, lovely follies,
and strange thoughts,
filled human life: what remains, now the leaves
are stripped from things? Only the certainty
of seeing all is empty, except sadness. "

[Anonymous No.13004295]

>>13003039
There's plenty of beauty in the world. Not just among humans. Kikes and their spiritual successors ruined it all.

[Anonymous No.13004344]

>>13004255
>I admit that I'm not smart enough to argue with this
>I probably don't even fully understand what you're saying but of what little that I do I can say that your reasoning sounds really arrogant(even if that wasn't your intent).
>your seem to be saying that there are only two kinds of beauties. The first one is that which is beautiful by the virtue of you perceiving it as beautiful and the second a perfection which for some reason 'denies your existence'.
>I don't think I get this. Why would it deny your existence by existing? Also you needn't mirror their beauty to be able to not deny their beauty. It can simply exist without you successfully appropriating it or completely destroying it.
>Why would you yield to your need to destroy it? Is your existence so arrogant that you can't conceive of there existing anything beyond own deservedness?
>Lastly I may be wrong again but isn't this the same line of thinking that leads to "If I can't have her then no one should be able to" nonsense?

[Anonymous No.13004408]

>>13004255
I think when you abstract an everyday practical situation into a philosophical setting you take away certain possibilities in outcomes and in turn add new restrictions on reasoning. All while falsely convincing yourself that you have broadened your freedoms of thought by modelling the situation in an abstracted setting. But that really what you are doing, you are "modelling". The engineers explicitly put bounds on their predictions of " model behaviour " and explicitly characterize the limits of their model and how it may differ from reality. The economists also do this, but the philosopher's seem to forget this tiny yet essential part.
>for example you took a simple situation of two people interacting through infatuation and abstracted it into a setting where the outcomes of the actions if one of them is essentially either to engage in a pursuit to possess the woman or to try and kill her.
>how come your reasonings inside of your "philosophical model" don't have other outcomes. One, say, where the guy simply acknowledges he is too much of a retard for her to waste her life on. A lot of other people surely will cherish her, love her and protect her. And a lot of cases in which she needn't have to put up with retarded nonsense like this guy. So isn't it possible that the guy simply chooses to not pursue her while still acknowledging her 'beauty'?
Why does your philosophical model not cover this cowardice?

[Anonymous No.13004412]

>>13004344
>isn't this the same line of thinking that leads to "If I can't have her then no one should be able to" nonsense?
Not quite. It's not her being a perfect beauty that infuriates me, but her being a perfect human on top of that. I would gladly enjoy one or the other, but her being both at the same time transforms her into some microcosm of happiness where laymen, particularly me, cannot enter. A physical manifestation of what I was denied, of what every human is denied. Imperfection is the nature of humans, so the mere existence of a perfect human shits all over me. Good news, however, is that her being perfect is a mere illusion that you cannot, and probably don't need to, see through, but which my inquisitive eye full of jealousy would readily dispel. Looks like I won't have to dirty my hands after all.

Anyway, my "reasoning" is more of a rhetorical and expressive tool, don't take it too close.

[Anonymous No.13004433]

>>13003039
If you're a spiritual person, be one anon. I am, or at least try to be. I used to also rail against the so-called "cult of science", because I was too short-sighted to recognize all the immeasurable value that science has into the world, and continues to. I am now trying to actually educate myself on this most brilliant of systems, and am trying to reconcile it with my own personal spiritual beliefs, which pertain to the realms of pantheism, consciousness, idealism and so on. Don't be a fool, like I was. If consciousness is fundamental, and not emergent from the body, then reality's nature is inherently spiritual, and everything science studies is a part of that reality, and something any spiritual individual should know of. Yes, scientific materialism might be a system bereft of meaning to any spiritually inclined soul, yet you have no obligation to believe in it or follow it - so why let yourself be affected by it? And there are plenty of budding resources out there which aim to bridge science and spirituality, like the channels on Youtube called "science and nonduality" and ones in the related sections, which you can read into and find a reconciliation of modern scientific doctrine, and ancient spiritual ones. If you're an Abrahamic, and want to believe in the related mythologies as being literally true of reality, then you might have a harder time - but even this you can do, if you personally choose to. The point is, you don't have to care about what the society around you is up to - simply follow your soul without worry for what the prevailing paradigm might be. And again, please don't be so foolish like I was, to hate on the greatest system of knowledge our species has yet invented, in which case only your own ignorance is displayed by such a behavior.

tl;dr stop worrying about society, or expecting them to conform to your beliefs - simply be spiritual by yourself.

[Anonymous No.13004441]

>There is nothing beautiful left in this world
https://youtu.be/O9HsGsB-MCM

[Anonymous No.13004448]

>>13003544
Fucking spengler posters are exploding on /lit/ lately

[Anonymous No.13004460]

>>13004408
That's merely a somewhat poetic rationalisation of my emotional reasoning, not a model. It should be quite clear from my text that it's driven by the sense of superiority and self-hatred in some proportion. Whatever conclusions I draw doesn't really matter compared to that, since we're shitposting and not having a philosophical research.

[Anonymous No.13004515]

>>13004412
>Not quite. It's not her being a perfect beauty that infuriates me, but her being a perfect human on top of that. I would gladly enjoy one or the other, but her being both at the same time transforms her into some microcosm of happiness where laymen, particularly me, cannot enter.
Should it really bother you to an extent that you want to kill her?
>A physical manifestation of what I was denied, of what every human is denied. Imperfection is the nature of humans, so the mere existence of a perfect human shits all over me.
Of course I'm not saying she's prefect and I know you know this as well, but if there were say gods who possessed beauty beyond what is capable from a human. And they had wild orgies behind closed doors in exclusive clubs where humans weren't invited. Would you, if you could, choose to destroy them all and deny this world of their beauty?
Good news, however, is that her being perfect is a mere illusion that you cannot, and probably don't need to, see through, but which my inquisitive eye full of jealousy would readily dispel. Looks like I won't have to dirty my hands after all.
Lol yeah of course. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. At the end of the day it's just another retard being too much of a pussy and not going and telling her the truth.
>Anyway, my "reasoning" is more of a rhetorical and expressive tool, don't take it too close.
Still anon, I'll say it is some of the best writing I've seen here. Which isn't saying much but it did get my brain to think in directions it hadn't before.

[Anonymous No.13004705]

>>13003039
I tried capturing what you said about pornography. But i think it applies to everything. Everything has become so accessible that it's meaningless. Nothing is sacred. We truly live in a society.

Slaves to the flesh;
To the mundane figure of a faceless cut
Not more than merely pidgeons,
Following the baker
right into the stove.

Like grapping an apple
From the smallest tree,
Is the loving with no love
Summoned with no spell;
just making a wish.

[Anonymous No.13004721]

>>13003039
I don't want to know what it's like for you to view our problems through a stupid-lense.
Mythology was simply the nascent form of science. Mystics were early scientists. Scientists today enjoy genuine community and are still doing what we have always done while you suffer for not being clever enough to join us.
I did not want to imagine what it's like for you to live in your nauseating conceptual environment. Damn you cretin, for forcing me into your pathetic life. It doesn't make me feel lucky by comparison. Knowing your pathetic world is grounded in the same reality as mine soils everything with your insolent humanity.

[Anonymous No.13004726]

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Silver_Key

[Anonymous No.13004733]

>>13003039
Capitalist Realism.

[Anonymous No.13004756]

>>13003806
>>13004097
more on this desu

[Anonymous No.13004777]

>>13003039
maybe stop regurgitating Fisher and form your own opinion

[Anonymous No.13004814]

>>13003039
>Teenagers being depressed is apparently normal in this society
Teenagers have always been depressed, dipshit. Probably more so in the past. The difference is, now while we are materially wealthy, nobody has anything to strive for --- no ideals or morals other than blind hedonism. We've also decided to medicalise teenage angst (something that is more often than not overcome with time) so that teens are pushed into the psychiatric system that strips "patients" of individual sovereignty in favor of psychological pseudoscience, not to mention the drugs and institutions which physically choke individual freedom.

[Anonymous No.13004818]

>>13004756
more on what specifically? the warmth and happiness that anon feels simply because he loves, to the point where he doesn't even need to have it be reciprocated?

[Anonymous No.13004823]

>>13004814
>Teenagers have always been depressed, dipshit. Probably more so in the past.
What makes you say this senpai?

[Anonymous No.13004847]

>>13003039
>There is nothing beautiful left in the world.
Which implies you yourself are not beautiful, inside and out. I can now disregard your entire post while feeling superior to you, knowing the mind who wrote it didn't believe in itself.

[Anonymous No.13004851]

>>13003049
Beautiful on the outside. Terrible inside.

[Anonymous No.13004853]

>>13004814
>I-It has always been like this
All ideology

[Anonymous No.13004857]

>>13004047
>just be a slave bro xDD
kys

[Anonymous No.13004885]

>>13004814
>Teenagers have always been depressed
Maybe since 1950-1960

[Anonymous No.13004900]

>>13004049
cringe
>>13004060
based

[Anonymous No.13004905]

Belongs on /adv/ lmao

[Anonymous No.13004907]

>>13003039

>Reads the wiki page to Traditionalism once

[Anonymous No.13004928]

>>13004756
I could write about her for hours, friend, and I have - i have written dozens of posts on /lit/ about her this past year. My obsession with this girl gives my life meaning - everything I do, in every field of life, is only for the purpose of becoming something she might admire, or think well of. My love for her came from nowhere, and was caused by nothing - I saw her online, on a social media platform, when we were 16.

She immediately burned her name onto my heart, and for the past decade, I haven't walked a single day without thinking of her. I can acknowledge that her beauty isn't the reason I love her, even though she takes my breath. It isn't because she is a kind, caring, loving person, because she is not - at least not more than a hundred other women I know. It isn't because she is particularly smart, or well mannered, or even good. My love for her is entirely of my own making, a product of me. Just as I can't tell you why I like the warmth of summer, or the sound of rain - the taste of a sour apple, or the feel of soft fur - I cannot tell you what makes me love this girl so much. Somehow, I gave her my heart, and she locked it away. Now she keeps it locked up, and I can never give it again.

[Anonymous No.13004956]

>>13004196
>>13004756
I will now go to bed, and dream of a world with only her and me, with only life and warmth, and love. Perhaps, by my love for her, God will see fit to love her and me. Maybe He will ransom us by this foolish, childish, obsessive love.
I wish you well, friend anon who read my posts. I hope you are warm and happy

[Anonymous No.13004957]

>>13003039
I do have music for that feel: https://youtu.be/mauV2NdCs60

[Anonymous No.13004964]

>>13004957
also: https://youtu.be/9BIYV3BLcno

[Anonymous No.13004978]

>>13004928
>>13004956
Damn that was something man. I wish you well too.

[Anonymous No.13005066]

>>13004191
I too think very little of myself :(

[Anonymous No.13005296]

>>13004928
>>13004956
this right here is what I'm talking about, the sort of thing I'd expect from those poor sods that parade around their fictional wives, this kind of madness and devotion, a one-sided love that by all accounts should not give anything back but in fact gives the lover his very life, and here it is being espoused by a man whose love isn't even entirely fictitious, rather an ideal and in the idealization the object of affection becomes a 'flower' as he puts it, one that 'radiates happiness', like a sun, comparisons that make my internal biases tingle
a description like this might be a little too similar to something of a relationship with the divine but if that's the way it has to go to get results, there's no pussyfooting around it
genuinely interesting posts anon, just remember that this isn't a position you can easily defend and accusations of delusion are definitely going to have a decent basis but you don't seem like the sort to let a few posts sway you

[Anonymous No.13005339]

>>13003039
ITS A NICE DAY FOR A

WHITE WEDDING

ITS A NICE DAY TO

START AGAAAIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN

[Anonymous No.13005354]

>>13003544
My fucking dude. Here here.

[Anonymous No.13005376]

[Anonymous No.13005392]

>>13004064

Nah. I mean not if I had to pit in the effort to win her over to the idea. I guess if she was keen and I had nothing better to do. Certainly not without sheath though.

>>13004072

Fuck, no, go back.

[Anonymous No.13005411]

>>13004085
Aren't you just talking bout new-ageism and all thouse syncretist brainlets from the 80's who were fried after thr 60s/70s and so just gave themselves over to mysticism?

[Anonymous No.13005435]

>>13004267
Even works in translation imo. What Leopardi works would you rec?

[Anonymous No.13005468]

>>13004412
Beauty, and perfection, are in the eye of the beholder anon-kun.

[Anonymous No.13005493]

>>13004433
>if non emergentism

But consciousness is emergent clearly. I don't think this discredits idealism though. The point is what does it emerge from? If you want the only idealism worth upholding read Kant and Schop-dog.

[Anonymous No.13005504]

>>13004448
>do your duty

Spe-who?

[Anonymous No.13005518]

>>13004705
Pretty

[Anonymous No.13005536]

>>13003039
>Science destroys beauty

Man, I'm with you on commodification and alienation but fuck you. Having some scarce insight into the mechanisms of nature only exaggerates her majesty.

[Anonymous No.13005566]

>>13004721
Hey Mr Science guy/ Don't spray your ideology in my eye/ I don't want my soul to die// I'm a noble Kantian.

[Anonymous No.13005669]

>>13005536
This. OP is a fatalist retard. Existence is incredible. Sounds like someone needs to take a camping trip into the a National Park alone.

[Anonymous No.13006087]

>>13005518
Thanks fren