Holy shit, my fucking sides.

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Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:55:06 2019 No.12971654 [DELETED]

Holy shit, my fucking sides.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:58:49 2019 No.12971682
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>Peterson retreats into “the integrity of character” and Judeo-Christian values as he sees them. Žižek is more or less a Gen X nostalgia act at this point, a living memento from a time when you would sit around the college bar and regale your fellow students about the time you saw that eastern European prof eating a couple of hot dogs in the street.
>Unfortunately, this brief moment of confrontation of their shared failure couldn’t last. They returned to their natural subject: who is the enemy? Žižek asked what Peterson meant by cultural Marxists when postmodern thinkers, like Foucault, weren’t Marxist at all. Peterson was an expert on this subject, at least. He gave a minor history of the French critical theorists who transposed categories of class oppression for group oppression in the 1960s.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:12:59 2019 No.12971760 What website?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:14:05 2019 No.12971764 >>12971760 the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/20/jordan-peterson-slavoj-zizek-happiness-capitalism-marxism

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:16:32 2019 No.12971777 The real problem was that neither of these slobs took the time to look into the other. Zizek thought he was dealing with ben shapiro, Peterson thought he was dealing with a Marx quoting community college prof.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:17:49 2019 No.12971785 >>12971777 Zizek literally referenced a bunch of peterson's retarded views, how exactly did he treat him like ben shapiro lmao

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:19:28 2019 No.12971791

>>12971777
>capitalism compels Zizek, already a court jester, to appear in rushed and shallow debates about capitalism that don't really say anything about capitalism
>so people can pay for tickets and clap like seals
>human beings so alienated from the most essential aspect of human nature, SPEAKING TO ONE ANOTHER, that they force it to fit the mold of a televised, for-profit, pre-fab debate format and never end up FUCKING TALKING TO EACH OTHER

Capitalism

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:20:23 2019 No.12971798

>>12971785
>Zizek literally referenced a bunch of peterson's retarded views
No, he didn't, he looked up a few of the rules for life on google or some shit and saw that Peterson was complaining about bloody neomarxists. He then demanded names, was told 1/4 of professors meet the description, and then kept demanding names anyway.

The whole thing was boring. Zizek won, but I don't applaud him for it because he's the reason the debate was neutered in the first place and then when he saw that Peterson was unprepared he gave up his old pretense of "this is only a discussion" and went after him. The real take away is that you can't expect anything from two academics but a coward and a conman

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:20:39 2019 No.12971802 >>12971777 >t-they're both pretty cringe r-right? This is what Peterson cultists tell themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:21:32 2019 No.12971810 >>12971791 Zizek and Peterson should have had their talk on Joe Rogan, the memeability would have been off the charts

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:21:57 2019 No.12971812 >>12971802 Zizek wasn't cringe, he was just kind of boring. I'm sorry if I disparaged someone you personally project your feelings onto.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:22:14 2019 No.12971815 >>12971798 >No, he didn't Watch the debate instead of shitposting, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:22:34 2019 No.12971817 Perhaps the real ideology is the dragons of chaos we made along the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:22:59 2019 No.12971819 >>12971815 >Watch the debate instead of shitposting, retard. stop coping fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:24:35 2019 No.12971834 >>12971815 >Watch the debate instead of shitposting, retard. Watch the debate instead of shitposting, retard

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:24:49 2019 No.12971839
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>>12971777
>tfw you wanted to fight a Marxist edgelord but you ended up becoming buddies instead and had more in common with him than you thought
>tfw he's marrying your daughter next year

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:26:21 2019 No.12971846 >>12971802 The Guardian indeed shat on both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:28:26 2019 No.12971862 "Max thought the proletariat was good and the bourgeoisie was evil" Thats literally the basis of Communism. Who ever wrote this is retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:30:30 2019 No.12971874 File: 149 KB, 618x412, max-landis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12971862 I knew Max Landis was a filthy commie!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:41:08 2019 No.12971948 >>12971846 And added nothing to the conversation doing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:44:11 2019 No.12971964 >>12971846 Wow, yet Peterson was clearly the biggest clown of the two nonetheless

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:45:15 2019 No.12971971 >>12971862 Sigh... Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:47:10 2019 No.12971981 File: 33 KB, 895x503, picard-facepalm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12971654 >mfw jordan peterson

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:49:11 2019 No.12971992 File: 111 KB, 933x933, 51691406_1541585649307462_5629587432193828691_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12971839 >tfw he's marrying your daughter next year I would lose my shit if he boomer Zizek daughter-cucked Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:49:48 2019 No.12971998 >>12971654 So the Guardian is literally fabricating false quotes? Is that not something that's frowned upon in the world of journalism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:51:30 2019 No.12972014 >>12971862 marx doesn’t make moralistic condemnations of the bourgeoisie. it’s a materialist philosophy

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:52:03 2019 No.12972022

>>12971862
No, you retard. Of course deeming your group the 'good' and the opposition 'evil' in a political conflict is a very useful political tool. But that's all it is, a political tool. In reality the poor are just as responsible for riches as the rich are for poverty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:03:10 2019 No.12972110 File: 534 KB, 543x557, 1552071294422.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] IMAGINE caring this much about politics, while CHAD fucks STACY

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:04:36 2019 No.12972119 >>12971992 what do you call this kind of hips that women sometimes have where it's not very rounded at the hips proper, but it's still nice and curvy at the thighs and lower ass

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:04:55 2019 No.12972120 >>12972110 >caring about chads and stacies How's high school, mate?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:05:13 2019 No.12972122 >>12972014 >>12971971 >>12972022 Good and bad? >Execute the kulaks What do you means good and bad? >Force teachers to work in the field We don't deal in absolute here >Empty your cities

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:12:36 2019 No.12972190 >>12971654 This is retarded. They barely disagreed. J*urnalists are even worse than people who post NGE porn on /lit/. Dumb animals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:13:52 2019 No.12972199 >>12972110 >Zizek >On his third marriage >Second wife was a model >Has three children, all fathered by other men Totally Chad

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:15:21 2019 No.12972206 File: 335 KB, 1920x1080, friendship ended with peterson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Friendship is ended with Peterson now Zizek is my best friend

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:17:01 2019 No.12972225

>>12971654
>"Marx thought the proletariat was good and the bourgeoisie was evil"
How can the guardian report this as a quote? This is the actual quote
>"You have a binary class division, proletariat/bourgeois, and you have an implicit idea that all of the good is on the side of the proletariat and all of the evil is on the side on the bourgeois, and that’s classic group identity thinking."

The next point, that Peterson claimed human hierarchies are not determined by power is even less true. What Peterson actually said was power isn't the only basis of hierarchies and that hierarchies formed through exploitation are unstable.

It then goes on to completely misrepresent Zizek by claimed he said
>“Most of the attacks on me are from left-liberals,” he began, hoping that “they would be turning in their graves even if they were still alive”
These things were said far apart and the second quote is incredibly misleading and taken completely out of context.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:17:16 2019 No.12972228 >>12971998 which quote was fabricated?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:17:44 2019 No.12972231 Peterson is a Koch shill

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:18:38 2019 No.12972240 >>12971810 I- Wha... Fuck. Best idea to come out of the deabte so far

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:22:02 2019 No.12972270 >>12972240 faggot

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:23:17 2019 No.12972277

>>12972014
Materialism doesn't just preclude you from making moralistic judgements, they're just framed differently. Human beings view things in a moralistic frame, which doesn't necessarily constitute good and evil but it always is constituted by a framework of moral failings and moral hierarchy of some sort.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:26:59 2019 No.12972302 >>12972225 Dude, that article was shit you could tell just by reading it that it had no intention of in good-faith representing what happened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:16:50 2019 No.12972678 >>12971798 He actually did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:18:41 2019 No.12972691 >>12971798 Did you miss his absolutely brutal take down on Peterson's reading of Dostoevsky? Were you awake anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:19:34 2019 No.12972696 >>12972302 >the press >good-faith representing what happened. anon remain serious

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:20:14 2019 No.12972702 >>12972119 A fridge-like body.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:22:01 2019 No.12972713 >>12972270 straight man

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:23:03 2019 No.12972719 >>12972270 cishet bitch

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:32:26 2019 No.12972787 im just sad that it's over because my life sucks and it was one of the only things i was looking forward to all month

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:41:09 2019 No.12972838 >>12972122 none of that is marx retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:42:01 2019 No.12972841 >>12972190 rewatch the debate, brainlet

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:53:51 2019 No.12972916 File: 17 KB, 300x300, 45645646.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12971992 >People take seriously the views of a Professor who raised a thot like this

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:58:42 2019 No.12972947

>>12972122
deadass not knowing the reason the cities were emptied was that they were spared from the bombing campaign which predominantly the Cambodian countryside and led to a very retribution rural politic. It's not a Marxist theory so much as one born from the urban/rural divide of Khmer Republic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:08:49 2019 No.12973020 >>12972787 there's eurovision in some weeks, come join us at /int/ anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:15:21 2019 No.12973046 >>12972947 was this post machine translated

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:20:02 2019 No.12973074 >>12972787 Only authentic post in these threads stay safe anon uw u

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:21:16 2019 No.12973081 >>12971654 >human hierarchies are not determined by power lmao what

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:32:01 2019 No.12973147

>>12971798
alright listen man. I legit drove to Toronto and watched the debate in person. Zizek roasted his take of Dostoevsky, criticized his reasoning of natural hierarchies, directly questioned his claim that marx was an egalitarian and asked why he hasn't read Gotha Program, asked him to name and explain postmodern neomarxism, he argued against "setting your own house in order..." I mean Jordan Peterson didn't even criticize anything Zizek said, he misunderstood basic marxist terminology like "dictatorship of the proletariat" and accused marx of a moralized political economy which he outwardly rejects in all of his works. Did you even watch the debate?

I get that people like to suck Peterson's dick but like take the L. He was ill-prepared and got caught of guard completely by an actual good faith marxist. I expected Zizek to eat shit but he dominated not only the entire discussion but the crowd too. Peterson looked baffled for much of the discussion. It was frankly embarrassing and I don't mean that in a malicious way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:39:02 2019 No.12973180 >>12973020 Wow, that should be great. https://youtu.be/OV3xp5ZXSYA https://youtu.be/Cv6tgnx6jTQ https://youtu.be/SaolVEJEjV4

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:50:19 2019 No.12973243 >>12973020 >faggots mods won't make a /mu/ sticky

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:11:10 2019 No.12973378 >>12971834 No u

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